So you're of the mindset that hisec should be a risk-free, high-reward area?

Kind of like Trammel!

I've heard you can print more isk ratting in nullsec than mining scordite in hisec.

you can print more isk running the newly buffed OTAs in hisec in a kitchen sink fleet than blitzing anoms in nullsec with a faction battleship

we tried dreads, we killed one (!) titan

the only thing that ever worked effectively was counterdropping them with more supercaps

sorry that you're so poorly informed about nullsec, it helps to leave the veldspar belt once in a blue moon

You brought some 80 dreads, they had some 40 titans (thats some 2,8 trillion) + 20 or more supercarriers.
You didn't bring the required 500 dreads (only 1,5trillion about), why are you whining ? Ofcourse you lose if you don't bring enough firepower, do the maths, tidi was already here.

You can try those OTAs with poorly tanked fleet. I bet your ships don't last long enough to complete site.

dear worthless npc alt

cynoing in 500 dreads would cause bumps of absolutely massive proportions. The vast majority of your dps would be rendered useless as they skated away, unable to track and winding up out of range. meanwhile, your dps is getting ground down rapidly as you try to get your ships to a stop so they can fire

also the node is dialated to hell and back at this point, so the supercap fleet can call in anti-dictor reinforcements easily, pop dictors, and cyno anything in danger out

so end of the day you lose scads of dreadnaughts that cannot be rapidly replaced (because nobody really uses the things now so you can't just buy them off the market), for very little gain

And yet it could be done with multiple cynos, being lazy and opening just one is your own problem. Just because you didn't prepare for the war with cap industry doesn't mean you could've. Starting a war and puttting your faith in the amount of whine you can make to nerf titans is the goon way ofcourse and thats how you played it. Also, everyone knows goons had some titans they could've used, plenty of them.

However, titans were nerfed and now mining vessels will be buffed, both of these decisions coincide with ccp's current design philosophy. You can't have risk free mining vessel popping anymore, now you actually have to take the risk of losing for nothing or losing and gaining what ever you want to gain by popping a mining vessel in hisec. If the thing gained no longer is worth it, well thats your problem isn't it?

Love 2 Phoenix.

(Not really)

Ganking always has consequences. Even if it's not successful, you get a security status hit and lose a ship (without insurance). Grinding sec is a terrible, terrible thing.

this thread is still lulz

This is fun.

CCP dev's gave griefers a huge gift of buffed Catalysts and the new T3 BC's. We were then told by the griefers "adapt or die".
So the more determined and resourceful of the miner species adapted, the balance stopped mining.

16 months later CCP gives high sec miners a counter to the Catalyst and Tornado.

I am sure that the truly intelligent and resourceful of the various griefer species will adapt. For the balance of the various griefer species, well, in Eve and as in nature, evolution will do what it does best.

But is he wrong?

Nope.

Fitted properly, a Hulk cannot be profitably ganked.

This is fun.

CCP dev's gave griefers a huge gift of buffed Catalysts and the new T3 BC's. We were then told by the griefers "adapt or die".
So the more determined and resourceful of the miner species adapted, the balance stopped mining.

16 months later CCP gives high sec miners a counter to the Catalyst and Tornado.

I am sure that the truly intelligent and resourceful of the various griefer species will adapt. For the balance of the various griefer species, well, in Eve and as in nature, evolution will do what it does best.

You mean to say not being afk, fitting a tank & paying attention was never a counter?

Yeah, he mad and wrong. Game got harder, and predictably, those wanting easy kills and grief now have to actually put more effort into their game.

The coin has flipped.

You brought some 80 dreads, they had some 40 titans (thats some 2,8 trillion) + 20 or more supercarriers.
You didn't bring the required 500 dreads (only 1,5trillion about), why are you whining ? Ofcourse you lose if you don't bring enough firepower, do the maths, tidi was already here.

And still, you whined like mad bros, and now you cry like mad bros cause you no longer can gank mining ships at profit. There will still be idiots that won't place a single tanking module on their mining vessels, you can always have a go at them.

Stop being a little kid, quit eve or stop whining.

i'm sorry that you're absolutely clueless about capital warfare

Gift. Yes, removing Insurance payouts for ganks was a gift. Absolutely.

Crucible increased the cost to gank anything.

huge increase in griefing. Now it is the griefers' turn to adapt.

Tell you what.....why don't you petition CCP to bring back insurance payouts when they introduce these improved buffered mining boats.
Or better, roll back the game removing the Catalsyt buff and the introduction of the Tornado, and in exchange, CCP does not change mining boats. Got news for you, the vast majority of miners would take that deal in a second.

Eve introduced changes 16 months ago and the high sec community was forced to adapt to the huge increase in griefing. Now it is the griefers' turn to adapt.

Tell you what.....why don't you petition CCP to bring back insurance payouts when they introduce these improved buffered mining boats.
Or better, roll back the game removing the Catalsyt buff and the introduction of the Tornado, and in exchange, CCP does not change mining boats. Got news for you, the vast majority of miners would take that deal in a second.

Eve introduced changes 16 months ago and the high sec community was forced to adapt to the huge increase in griefing. Now it is the griefers' turn to adapt.