As a part time miner... i am sadened by the massive numbers of mining ship fail fit kills. it is now very easy to survive being ganked not by fitting a mining ship to be ungankable... you just have to fit a little better than the other guy. Gankers... and i have done this in the past myself (not miner ships but afk auto pilot to jita with mass loot in them). will go for the guy that offers them the most bling for their cost. always has been. but even with the upcoming changes... we will still see people fit T2 exhumers for max yield instead of tanking them. ganking will still be profitable (maybe not quite as profitable) because CCP cant change the bot/afk miners thought process.

this is in my opinion not going to kill the gankers off... instead its gonna give them many many new targets. balance will still be there.

this guy gets it

He will unfortunately suffer the most in the end though. He has put in effort to survive & will be one of the few that don't deserve the inevitable hit to their wallets when veld goes back to 1 isk PU.

who cares if trit is 1isk/unit? that means ships will be pocket change, you'll mine for the same amount of time to buy the same amount of stuff. in real terms nothing has changed.

who cares if trit is 1isk/unit? that means ships will be pocket change, you'll mine for the same amount of time to buy the same amount of stuff. in real terms nothing has changed.

Except exhumers still use mostly moon goo for production & won't be overly affected by the cost of trit. In fact anything that is T2, faction/DS/Officer...

tech is being nerfed too so prices will still come down. i have no idea how long the tech cartel has around, but a year ago trit was half of what it is now, so were hulk prices, they've both gone up at similar rates.

don't forget if people don't have isk to spend, demand goes down, as do prices. people can't spend what they don't have.

but a year ago trit was half of what it is now, so were hulk prices, they've both gone up at similar rates.

A year ago, Hulks were worth 195m. 195 is not half of 300. I was also buying trit at 1.59isk PU on average a year ago. If you really believe that miners not having much isk will make the price of everything go down, then I don't know what to say. Tech isn't the only valuable moon material that is mined.

But the risk-free parking your exhumer in a belt and sucking up all the rocks or ice you can will be there. This is a situation that I do not like, and I dislike it more than I dislike the ability for a 12M ISK blaster catalyst to blow up at 300M ISK hulk before CONCORD can intervene. At least the miner has the option of fitting a tank. When it comes to mining in perfect safety, the options are "mine heaps" or "mine even more heaps" there is no control of this system except the individual's perceived value of time.

Someone running a Bot will continue to do so while the value of running that Bot is greater than zero. Thus humans competing with Bots will end up in the situation of mining for marginally more than 0ISK/hr. The humans will be better off running stealth bomber alts in Minmatar militia.

So while you are celebrating cheaper ships, just be aware that you are supporting bots.

I really hope you aren't suggesting that mineral prices have any real impact on T2 production.

no. i'm merely justifying that the amount of time i had to mine trit at 3.4isk/unit to buy a ship then, is the same amount of time i have to mine trit at nearly 7 isk/unit to buy the same ship now.

Remember that with these changes, the Mackinaw doesn't become a god-immune ship, it just means its going to cost more than a 3M ISK Blaster Catalyst to blow it up, maybe a Blaster Thorax? or Talos?, I think thats fair.

Oh yes I should spend hundreds of millions on 1 ship just so 1 guy in a 3 million isk ship can gank me in several hits.


CCP is just making it so the cost equates with the ships usefulness, not to mention the Mackinaw needed love anyways. Ice miners rejoice!

He will unfortunately suffer the most in the end though. He has put in effort to survive & will be one of the few that don't deserve the inevitable hit to their wallets when veld goes back to 1 isk PU.

Oh yes I should spend hundreds of millions on 1 ship just so 1 guy in a 3 million isk ship can gank me in several hits.


CCP is just making it so the cost equates with the ships usefulness, not to mention the Mackinaw needed love anyways. Ice miners rejoice!

You make a few valid points, but I think you're missing part of the flip-side too, as its not as if the gankers are there are exclusively ganking the bots, they are quite happy to take out normal players too since their local-tears are far more tasty than the silent bot that sits patiently waiting to be podded afterwards.

Remember that with these changes, the Mackinaw doesn't become a god-immune ship, it just means its going to cost more than a 3M ISK Blaster Catalyst to blow it up, maybe a Blaster Thorax? or Talos?, I think thats fair.

So you are suggesting that Hulk price will drop to ~130 as a result of trit dropping back to 3isk?

who cares if trit is 1isk/unit? that means ships will be pocket change, you'll mine for the same amount of time to buy the same amount of stuff. in real terms nothing has changed.

Official bet: I will give you 1 billion if within 6 months from the patch trit goes to 1 ISK pu (Jita IV price).

If it does not, you will give me 1 billion instead.

Chribba or Grendell will be used to hold my and your billion in the mean time.

Deal?

No extra effort, just extra money.

The problem is that without the changes, the only reason Hulks were profitable to gank was the bad choices of the miners. CCP is rewarding the stupid choices of miners.

They're giving the Hulk a buff that it does not need.

Excerpt from the dev blog.

GÇóNew ORE frig: we want this ship to replace current mining frigates as low barrier of entry vessel, but also fulfill high-end gameplay expectations by providing a very mobile platform for mining in hostile space. Lowest mining output, decent ore bay, little to no resilience.

GÇóProcurer/Skiff: primarily made for self-defense. Better mining rate than the ORE frig, good ore bay, but capable of having battleship-like EHP.

GÇóRetriever/Mackinaw: made for self-reliance. Has the largest ore bay, similear to the size of a jet can, second best mining output but less EHP than the procurer mining barge.

GÇóCovetor/Hulk: ore bay is identical to its current cargo hold, little to average EHP, but best mining output. Basically made for group operations when players have industrials and protection to back them up.

Can you please show me where the Hulk is being buffed?

There will still be dumb miners, and now you can confidently tell them to HTFU or GTFO with a straight face - instead of the garbage that's spewed now (Why didn't you use every slot to tank and have and Orca with links and RR and have a webbing alt so you could stay aligned???)

Doesn't really matter to me anyway, since I'm a null sec Ice miner. All this means is less docking and more mining. Not to mention quicker ice cycles!

I won't reach 1 isk, but certainly 3 isk.