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Tarryn Nightstorm Hellstar Towing and Recovery 546	Posted - 2012.07.27 21:31:00 - [1501] - Quote Or, maybe all you whiny little whining whine-guys could, post-patch... Fly a Procurer in hisec? They've changed the stats/slot layout now, although I don't know if it's final, but this: Procurer -- "HMCS Bring it, Punk!" HI Strip Miner I or II MID 1 x Medium Shield Extender II 1 x Kinetic Hardener II 2 x Invuln Field II LO 1 x Damage Control II 1 x Mining Laser Upgrade I or II RIG 2 x EM Resist rig I 1 x Thermal Resist rig I DRONE (5 x to taste, probably Hob IIs to make quick work of belt-rats) ^^That^^ has approx 45.6k EHP in-game, heating to ca. 54+...We're talking "typical" 1 LSE/2 Invuln/CDFE or resist-rig Drake-level buffer here with 50% less sig-radius...My testing on SiSi has proven conclusively that this cannot be solo-ganked in HiSec, as the group needed would be hopelessly unprofitable (3 very high skill + all T II fit--expensive for a gank-ship Toros, or all T II Torp/Smartbomb Ravens at the minimum). The manu/indi alt can't fly the T II barges yet, but I imagine the Proc's T II progeny would be even more beastly just looking at its base numbers. Shut the f up, and enjoy your massive buff, already -- Gods, there's just no pleasing some people vOv... If you get ganked in this, then it will be 100% your own damned fault, and a clear sign that you really should biomass and un-install. In irae, veritas.
Dave stark Bombardier Inc 295	Posted - 2012.07.27 21:32:00 - [1502] - Quote Tarryn Nightstorm wrote: Fly a Procurer in hisec? but i'm in a fleet with my orca alt. i'm flying my hulk! Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance 439	Posted - 2012.07.27 21:34:00 - [1503] - Quote If I'm shedding tears it's out of frustration after repeated attempts to explain something you seem completely incapable of comprehending. Not because I'm a ganker, because I'm not one. EVE's 4th of July Fireworks
Pipa Porto 539	Posted - 2012.07.27 21:36:00 - [1504] - Quote Dave stark wrote: Tarryn Nightstorm wrote: Fly a Procurer in hisec? but i'm in a fleet with my orca alt. i'm flying my hulk! Orca fit Webs, Hulk fit Webs, Both mine aligned to a Safe or POS. (you'll be mooving at ~10m/s) Be atk enough to notice things landing on grid with you, and warp away clean. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone -RubyPorto
Kitty Bear Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam 2	Posted - 2012.07.27 21:41:00 - [1505] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: Tippia wrote: Makari Aeron wrote: My reasoning is this: 1. so much whining about getting ganked by CONCORD and not making a profit 2. so much whining about miners having too much tank Solution: Don't gank in hi-sec for profit. Problem: highsec is where the profitable targets are. Moving outside of highsec means more risk for less reward. Is there a problem? the "Risk v's Reward" maxim so frequently posted does of course mean You take all the risk They get all the reward
baltec1 Bat Country 1724	Posted - 2012.07.27 21:41:00 - [1506] - Quote Dave stark wrote: Tarryn Nightstorm wrote: Fly a Procurer in hisec? but i'm in a fleet with my orca alt. i'm flying my hulk! ECM drones everywhere.
Dave stark Bombardier Inc 296	Posted - 2012.07.27 21:43:00 - [1507] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Dave stark wrote: Tarryn Nightstorm wrote: Fly a Procurer in hisec? but i'm in a fleet with my orca alt. i'm flying my hulk! ECM drones everywhere. 10 + medium ecm drones! more jammy than a sticky situation in a jam factory after a jamtastic afternoon. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold.
baltec1 Bat Country 1724	Posted - 2012.07.27 21:49:00 - [1508] - Quote Dave stark wrote: baltec1 wrote: Dave stark wrote: Tarryn Nightstorm wrote: Fly a Procurer in hisec? but i'm in a fleet with my orca alt. i'm flying my hulk! ECM drones everywhere. 10 + medium ecm drones! more jammy than a sticky situation in a jam factory after a jamtastic afternoon. Jammed
Soundwave Plays Diablo Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 65	Posted - 2012.07.27 21:52:00 - [1509] - Quote Quote: Miners have yet to go out of profit. Indeed, right now they are having the biggest boom in EVE history, all while under the gankers "opression". Also you will have to explain to us why fitting a tank which will stop you from getting killed is irrelevant. Given that being killed is what you are whining about. Learn math before you condescend to me good sir. Very trollish to say the least. There is no amount of tank that you can fit to stop from being ganked, ever. Its not possible. Alpha > tank = successful gank. There is your explanation and it is iron clad. ITT people are comparing apples to oranges, as usual. The profitability or net loss of the *gank itself is completely irrelevant. The ability to make enough profit to overcome any losses incurred while ganking is the only sustainability factor. This is easy to accomplish. My solo l4 mission runner makes more than any 2 miners in eve. My team of 3 mission runners makes as much as a half dozen miners. Incursion running has been nerfed but it still nets 60million ISK an hour + LP. My industry toon makes as much as 1hulk +1 orca easy. running c3's? Forget about it, the miners cant even come close. Plenty of miners have left Eve because they could not afford to PLEX any longer. Plenty have stated exactly that and are 'conspicuous by their absence' If you want to rationalize [i]why[/] be my guest.
Corvus Prime Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2012.07.27 21:53:00 - [1510] - Quote Herr Wilkus wrote: CCP saving stupid Pigs from themselves. Why hasn't this thread been locked due to the OP's ad homs yet? Or is it really OK to call a portion of the playerbase "stupid pigs"?
Pipa Porto 539	Posted - 2012.07.27 21:55:00 - [1511] - Quote Corvus Prime wrote: Herr Wilkus wrote: CCP saving stupid Pigs from themselves. Why hasn't this thread been locked due to the OP's ad homs yet? Or is it really OK to call a portion of the playerbase "stupid pigs"? Have you seen the amount of vitriol that the miners have been spewing at the gankers (or anyone who at all disagrees with them) in this thread? EvE: Everyone vs Everyone -RubyPorto
Dave stark Bombardier Inc 296	Posted - 2012.07.27 21:59:00 - [1512] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Dave stark wrote: baltec1 wrote: Dave stark wrote: Tarryn Nightstorm wrote: Fly a Procurer in hisec? but i'm in a fleet with my orca alt. i'm flying my hulk! ECM drones everywhere. 10 + medium ecm drones! more jammy than a sticky situation in a jam factory after a jamtastic afternoon. Jammed haha Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold.
Corvus Prime Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2012.07.27 22:00:00 - [1513] - Quote Well, what else did you expect when he opens the OP's title by calling the miners "supid pigs"?
Soon Shin Caucasian Culture Club Transmission Lost 104	Posted - 2012.07.27 22:00:00 - [1514] - Quote After mining arkonor for an hour and a half yesterday, I remember why I quit mining 2 years ago. One of the most mind numbing things to do and I think I only made a paltry 36 million despite mining only arkonor and having a boosted covetor.
baltec1 Bat Country 1724	Posted - 2012.07.27 22:01:00 - [1515] - Quote Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote: Learn math before you condescend to me good sir. Very trollish to say the least. There is no amount of tank that you can fit to stop from being ganked, ever. Its not possible. Alpha > tank = successful gank. There is your explanation and it is iron clad. The veldnought can be ganked if you bring enough catalysts. However there comes a point where people will not bother to gank something. Fortunatly for miners hulks can reach this level of tank.
Suqq Madiq Amarr Empire 226	Posted - 2012.07.27 22:01:00 - [1516] - Quote Pipa Porto wrote: Corvus Prime wrote: Herr Wilkus wrote: CCP saving stupid Pigs from themselves. Why hasn't this thread been locked due to the OP's ad homs yet? Or is it really OK to call a portion of the playerbase "stupid pigs"? Have you seen the amount of vitriol that the miners have been spewing at the gankers (or anyone who at all disagrees with them) in this thread? Have you seen the amount of stupidity, rhetoric, lies and falsehoods that so-called "gankers" have been regurgitating all over this thread?
Dave stark Bombardier Inc 296	Posted - 2012.07.27 22:04:00 - [1517] - Quote Soon Shin wrote: After mining arkonor for an hour and a half yesterday, I remember why I quit mining 2 years ago. One of the most mind numbing things to do and I think I only made a paltry 36 million despite mining only arkonor and having a boosted covetor. i remember why i gave up mission running after spending an hour and a half on 1 mission despite it being a level 4. it's one of the most annoying things to do and i spent most of my money on ammo despite using a fully t1 fit drake. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 1723	Posted - 2012.07.27 22:06:00 - [1518] - Quote Corvus Prime wrote: Herr Wilkus wrote: CCP saving stupid Pigs from themselves. Why hasn't this thread been locked due to the OP's ad homs yet? Or is it really OK to call a portion of the playerbase "stupid pigs"? Game is dominated by one blueball and forums are dominated by the same 4-5 "kill hi sec, gas miners" proponents and CCP obey them pants down. Any other question? Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 1723	Posted - 2012.07.27 22:07:00 - [1519] - Quote Pipa Porto wrote: Corvus Prime wrote: Herr Wilkus wrote: CCP saving stupid Pigs from themselves. Why hasn't this thread been locked due to the OP's ad homs yet? Or is it really OK to call a portion of the playerbase "stupid pigs"? Have you seen the amount of vitriol that the miners have been spewing at the gankers (or anyone who at all disagrees with them) in this thread? I guess their vitriol is why they can post with their main, while you are circumventing your ban on that alt? Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Suqq Madiq Amarr Empire 226	Posted - 2012.07.27 22:12:00 - [1520] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Pipa Porto wrote: Corvus Prime wrote: Herr Wilkus wrote: CCP saving stupid Pigs from themselves. Why hasn't this thread been locked due to the OP's ad homs yet? Or is it really OK to call a portion of the playerbase "stupid pigs"? Have you seen the amount of vitriol that the miners have been spewing at the gankers (or anyone who at all disagrees with them) in this thread? I guess their vitriol is why they can post with their main, while you are circumventing your ban on that alt? To be fair, Ruby is a special snowflake. The filter between his brain and mouth (or fingers in this case) malfunctions often which forces him into constant shitposting and has suffered repeated forum warnings and bans because of it. Most of the pro-ganker crowd is happily posting on their main while the pro-miner crowd is unlikely to do the same in an effort to avoid the targeted ire of the vengeful ganker mobs.
Mallak Azaria 401	Posted - 2012.07.27 22:12:00 - [1521] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Bolded the part your blinds seem to hide. You forgot to bold the part where I gave a definitive time frame. Oh that's right, because there's nothing to bold. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable.
Talus Veran Valis Inc 12	Posted - 2012.07.27 22:14:00 - [1522] - Quote La Nariz wrote: If these changes go through I'd like to see CCP put bot hunting into overdrive. These changes will make botting all the more easier because you don't need to worry about that mining ship getting ganked. You may have missed this. http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28628 CCP Screegs' team ramped up bot Hunting in March 2012 "Zee Goggles, Zey Do Nothing!" Message me on Twitter-á-á @talus_veran I follow -á #eveonline-á &-á #tweetfleet
Mallak Azaria 401	Posted - 2012.07.27 22:14:00 - [1523] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Do you gank and empty freighter? Ganking a freighter effectively empties it, so yes. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable.
Soundwave Plays Diablo Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 65	Posted - 2012.07.27 22:15:00 - [1524] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote: Learn math before you condescend to me good sir. Very trollish to say the least. There is no amount of tank that you can fit to stop from being ganked, ever. Its not possible. Alpha > tank = successful gank. There is your explanation and it is iron clad. The veldnought can be ganked if you bring enough catalysts. However there comes a point where people will not bother to gank something. Fortunatly for miners hulks can reach this level of tank. You cannot accurately determine something that is subjective to other people. Thanks for your input however.
Pipa Porto 543	Posted - 2012.07.27 22:15:00 - [1525] - Quote Suqq Madiq wrote: To be fair, Ruby is a special snowflake. The filter between his brain and mouth (or fingers in this case) malfunctions often which forces him into constant shitposting and has suffered repeated forum warnings and bans because of it. Most of the pro-ganker crowd is happily posting on their main while the pro-miner crowd is unlikely to do the same in an effort to avoid the targeted ire of the vengeful ganker mobs. I have exactly 1 Red mark on Ruby. For a specific set of posts that were intended to call attention to an issue that would not otherwise be discussed. It worked, and we have better moderation because of it. I have never had a Warning for forum posting. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone -RubyPorto
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 1723	Posted - 2012.07.27 22:15:00 - [1526] - Quote Mallak Azaria wrote: Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Bolded the part your blinds seem to hide. You forgot to bold the part where I gave a definitive time frame. Oh that's right, because there's nothing to bold. Why, your armagheddon scenario is meant to happen in 20 years, when EvE might be shut down? 6 months is plenty to see if you predicted good or bad. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Mallak Azaria 401	Posted - 2012.07.27 22:16:00 - [1527] - Quote Suqq Madiq wrote: To be fair, Ruby is a special snowflake. The filter between his brain and mouth (or fingers in this case) malfunctions often which forces him into constant shitposting and has suffered repeated forum warnings and bans because of it. Most of the pro-ganker crowd is happily posting on their main while the pro-miner crowd is unlikely to do the same in an effort to avoid the targeted ire of the vengeful ganker mobs. I love it when people assume someones main was repeatedly warned then banned for reasons that they make up in their head. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 1723	Posted - 2012.07.27 22:17:00 - [1528] - Quote Mallak Azaria wrote: Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Do you gank and empty freighter? Ganking a freighter effectively empties it, so yes. Oh look, we got someone with fantasy inspirations. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Pipa Porto 543	Posted - 2012.07.27 22:17:00 - [1529] - Quote Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote: baltec1 wrote: Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote: Learn math before you condescend to me good sir. Very trollish to say the least. There is no amount of tank that you can fit to stop from being ganked, ever. Its not possible. Alpha > tank = successful gank. There is your explanation and it is iron clad. The veldnought can be ganked if you bring enough catalysts. However there comes a point where people will not bother to gank something. Fortunatly for miners hulks can reach this level of tank. You cannot accurately determine something that is subjective to other people. Thanks for your input however. Are you complaining that Hulks can possibly be ganked or that they can be profitably ganked? Nobody's saying that any ship can't possibly be ganked. Hulks can be fit such that they cannot be profitably ganked. If someone wants to throw away money to hurt you, you might want to consider avoiding making such enemies. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone -RubyPorto
Suqq Madiq Amarr Empire 226	Posted - 2012.07.27 22:18:00 - [1530] - Quote Pipa Porto wrote: I have exactly 1 Red mark on Ruby. For a specific set of posts that were intended to call attention to an issue that would not otherwise be discussed. It worked, and we have better moderation because of it. I have never had a Warning for forum posting. The root of the problem has, at last, been discovered. You think your forum whining, childish behavior and shitposting had an effect on forum moderation. It didn't. Because of this you think forum whining, childish behavior and shitposting will have an effect on Mining ship re-balance. It won't. Glad we could clear that up.

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