Oh look, we got someone with fantasy inspirations.

You cannot accurately determine something that is subjective to other people.

Thanks for your input however.

I have never had a Warning for forum posting.


I have exactly 1 Red mark on Ruby. For a specific set of posts that were intended to call attention to an issue that would not otherwise be discussed. It worked, and we have better moderation because of it.

Hulks can be fit such that they cannot be profitably ganked.

You're the one that asked: Do you gank and empty freighter?
I'd hardly call answering your question honestly to be a fantasy. You must be getting desperate.

This isn't subjective. You can tank a hulk to the point where all but the most bitter will pass it by for easyer, more profitable kills. This is why my haulers and hulks have never died to a gank in 6 years of playing.

Irrelevant.

Profitability is irrelevant.

The root of the problem has, at last, been discovered. You think your forum whining, childish behavior and shitposting had an effect on forum moderation. It didn't. Because of this you think forum whining, childish behavior and shitposting will have an effect on Mining ship re-balance. It won't.

Glad we could clear that up.

The root of the problem has, at last, been discovered. You think your forum whining, childish behavior and shitposting had an effect on forum moderation. It didn't. Because of this you think forum whining, childish behavior and shitposting will have an effect on Mining ship re-balance. It won't.

Glad we could clear that up.

So you REALLY go to the final straws and pretend everybody else are so stupid not to understand the meaning of my easy 4-5 lines of text?

Do you gank and empty freighter?

Are you complaining that Hulks can possibly be ganked or that they can be profitably ganked?

Nobody's saying that any ship can't possibly be ganked. Hulks can be fit such that they cannot be profitably ganked. If someone wants to throw away money to hurt you, you might want to consider avoiding making such enemies.

2. You are not reading, or at least not comprehending. I don't give a fat rats ass about the net profit/loss of the gank. The net profit of the person flying the ship does not have to come from the act of ganking. As long as the ganker is able to pay for the ships lost to concord they will be able to sustain ganking indefinitely.

1. I am not complaining about anything other than the system is currently broken after several fixes over several years.
2. You are not reading, or at least not comprehending. I don't give a fat rats ass about the net profit/loss of the gank. The net profit of the person flying the ship does not have to come from the act of ganking. As long as the ganker is able to pay for the ships lost to concord they will be able to sustain ganking indefinitely.

You can say that all you want but its as wrong now as it was the first time you said it. Trying to use it to escape a point you cannot possibly counter only makes you look stupid.

Suicide ganking wasn't designed to be profitable, it's meant to be an option that let's you punish someone else at your expense. The money you paid for a ship to gank with compared to the money lost by your target was completely off and this change should bring that to a better spot. That said, the numbers can still be adjusted.

Yeah my point is thatI don't think they should be profitable to gank. I think it should be possible, but not necessarily profitable (profitable might be the wrong word, but more that the expenses should be higher for the attacker than the defender).

When you've been told by a CCP dev that you're wrong and you still belabor the point, regurgitating it over and over it makes both you and your argument sound stupid. Get it?

And,



When you've been told by a CCP dev that you're wrong and you still belabor the point, regurgitating it over and over it makes both you and your argument sound stupid. Get it?

This isn't subjective. You can tank a hulk to the point where all but the most bitter will pass it by for easyer, more profitable kills. This is why my haulers and hulks have never died to a gank in 6 years of playing.

And guess what, as it stands right now on TQ, unless you use a bunch of rookie ships, ganking is only profitable if your target is a moron/lazy.

When you've been told by a CCP dev that you're wrong and you still belabor the point,

Again, this is irrelevant. Ganking wasn't designed to be profitable. That you can profit from it comes down to your ability to wisely choose your targets.

What you just described is the epitome of subjective.

The only hulk I have ever had ganked by a dozen destoyers who did not loot, salvage, or profit from it. Maybe you just don't understand that "subjective" means "subject to a third parties opinion". Or maybe you just don't understand that ganking itself does not have to be profitable for people do continue to do it.

Just because you don't die from the plague does not mean that it is not pandemic.

I agree with what little substance there was in the OP for the most part. Mining barges don't need a buff. Fit your ship correctly and don't mine in busy systems.

That said, this 70+ page thread literally soaked with highsec griefer tears is starting to make me see things differently.

Maybe we should just make barges completely invulnerable (only if they fit mining lazors of course; we wouldn't want to make anything unbalanced now would we?).

Exactly as it is on TQ right now.

Don't be dumb. The tears in this thread are predominantly from the pro-ganker crowd who feels this necessary re-balance is either unnecessary(wrong) or completely over the top(subjective). Nobody believes or has suggested that any ship in EVE should be invulnerable. At least try to comprehend what you're reading before further regurgitating that garbage again.

Read what I wrote again; specifically the second line: "That said, this 70+ page thread literally soaked with highsec griefer tears is starting to make me see things differently."

Not at all.

Have a deep & thoughtful think about what you said in the quoted text.



The rest of what you said was well structured & added to the present argument.

And this can only be done by making a profit on said ganks.

Yes, you are absolutely ******* right. I cant run a mission, buy 10 thrashers for me and 9 of my closest friends, and kill a miner. How stupid of me to think that I could both run a mission and gank a miner. I cannot possibly do 2 things in eve.

I really used to believe you were not just a troll. I simply cannot believe that you don't understand the simple concept I am presenting. So I have to ask, do you really not understand that gankers DO NOT need to profit from ganking itself to be able to sustain the act of ganking indefinitely?