And exactly as it will remain when the re-balance hits TQ. Thank you for acknowledging that there is no problem here.

And this can only be done by making a profit on said ganks.

CCP stated ganking was not intended to be profitable but a valid mechanic to disrupt someone's activity.

This clearly implies something was wrong or just badly implemented and you guys just used/abused/overused this bad implementation mechanic/ships and now have the feeling this is some kind of "deserved" stuff.

Flash news: it isn't

You can still gank, just put the necessary effort to disrupt your target activity. Simple to understand isn't?

Because this dev hasn't been massivly wrong in the past. The Door ring any bells?

Plus the fact they they are listening to us and changing the stats back to something less overpowered would say they are listening to people like me more than you.

It wouldnt be profitable if the miners fitted a tank. I bet we would make a profit from ganking any ship with no tank.

Your point has no meanings when you clearly don't want to recognise the initial point: ganking is not intended to be profitable.

All you do is fake propaganda and crocodile tears, point blank, so cry me a river.

In order to run missions you have to stop ganking. Make a profit on ganking and you can just keep on ganking.

Not even the goons could keep up ganking miners forever at a loss, the funds run out. The burn Jita weekend was great fun but again, that kind of level of killing cannot be sustained at a loss. Go ahead and look at the KBs, you will find just about every single gank victim who died was worth more in loot than the ship that killed him.

This is the very simple fact of ganking, 99% of the time it is done for profit.

If I just want to kill for the fun of killing why would I go for a supertank hulk when I can kill 10 untanked hulks?

My industry toon is good for 100 mil a day passive, easy. After I pay for 4 PLEX that leaves 35 million to gank with. I can easily gank on the other 3 accounts the whole time, and use the industry toon to scout, salvage, loot, and mine.

Your point has no meanings when you clearly don't want to recognise the initial point: ganking is not intended to be profitable.

All you do is fake propaganda and crocodile tears, point blank, so cry me a river.

So why did CCP alter the stats again so that they were not stupidly overtanked?

See unlike you I am looking at more than "lol gankers cant make money anymore" and pointed out some rather big flaws in the plan. The irony of all of this is I still think the procurer and retriver need more tank.

That point has already been acknowledged, and is completely irrelevant to current situation on the server, and the situation post fix.

You just don't understand the mechanics of the game well enough to argue about it.

Doesn't matter if Hulks get 50k EHP et 35 and/or decent PG/CPU/Slots to fit a dam tank, you'll find ways to cry anyway, you foo no one else around but yourself.

Sry, but this is a fact.

Now gank a supertank hulk in 0.7 space with 3 tornados. How many ganks till you run out of isk a day?

Doesn't matter if Hulks get 50k EHP et 35 and/or decent PG/CPU/Slots to fit a dam tank, you'll find ways to cry anyway, you fool no one else around but yourself.

Sry, but this is a fact.

None, because I'm not a ******* halfwit. I would just use destroyers and friends/corpies.

None, because I'm not a ******* halfwit. I would just use destroyers and friends/corpies. I would then have enough ISK to do it approximately 6 times.

79 pages of ganker tears. I posted back before the gank nerf was announced that this would happen. Any time an activity gets out of control CCP nerfs it. There is a long history of this. No one should be surprised that after 9000 exhumers dead CCP decided to do something.

79 pages of ganker tears.

Counterpoint: you use the term corpie ans thus are a halfwit.

No, to be fair in Baltec words the proper rebalance is mining barges with 1K ehp 1 mid 1low 1high and -25% tank if using drones, so he can kill those with a T1 rifter and say "hey fit a tank"

This thread and arguments is going beyond any possible reason and it's exactly what makes Eve so sad. Keep listening scrubs and make a scrub game, when they have nothing left but other scrubs to target and it gives the crap of null sec you have right now.

/bravo

Counterpoint: you use the term corpie ans thus are a halfwit.

This thread and arguments is going beyond any possible reason and it's exactly what makes Eve so sad

This thread is really awesome and self explanatory of the game it self.

So the biggest alliances known guys/posters are crying because they can run their multiple xxxxxxxxx 10 high sec neutral and probably NPC alts but will have hard time ganking the eventual miner afk for peanuts/beer/fun with his wife or whatever.

So this is what is all about? -Eve got really really really down the hill in terms of mature community.

Now, I think the Mackinaw's tank should be nerfed a bit so that the Skiff has a role. If that happens, it will be best to AFK in a Skiff because of its 17k Ore Hold. Which should be nerfed a bit so the Mack has a role.

This is the very simple fact of ganking, 99% of the time it is done for profit.

Nice way to give roles. "I make this crappier so they will use the other. But hey, let's also make the other ship more crappier so people will have to pick the less worst".

Made with this mentality, the current Retriever keeps a fraction price tag and is almost a copy of the Mack.

I suggest you file for a position at CCP, the results would be pyroclastic.

I have seen a number of ganks, now, the wrecks usually sit there. I just watched one two days ago, he ganked, sat in station for 15 minutes, then left the system. The hulk was still sitting there.

So ganking for fun is obviously done more often than your made up statistic would suggest.

I have seen a number of ganks, now, the wrecks usually sit there. I just watched one two days ago, he ganked, sat in station for 15 minutes, then left the system. The hulk was still sitting there.

So ganking for fun is obviously done more often than your made up statistic would suggest.

Nice way to give roles. "I make this crappier so they will use the other. But hey, let's also make the other ship more crappier so people will have to pick the less worst".

Made with this mentality, the current Retriever keeps a fraction price tag and is almost a copy of the Mack.

I suggest you file for a position at CCP, the results would be pyroclastic.