Since you're such a smart hairy assed pubbie does buffing the most easily botted profession make botting easier or harder? You haven't explained why the bot argument is a bad one yet either internet security expert who graduated from MIT magna *** laude.

But is he wrong?

Nope.

Fitted properly, a Hulk cannot be profitably ganked.

Then CCP clearly doesn't follow their own stated intent as exhumers are T2 ships and are therefore supposed to be specialized.
I agree insofar as T1 barges are concerned.

The ganker places an unwritten value on what they're willing to spend, regardless of if they gank for the profit or for the lulz.
This is the trade off and it's different for each person. The fact remains that the higher total cost of a gank, the less gankers there will be. Miners could do this themselves, but they've whined and cried and now CCP is caving and has decided to coddle the hisec carebear masses.

This is great, dont take any responsibility for your own actions. NO ONE FORCES YOU TO GANK MINERS. You CHOOSE to gank miners and then justify it by repeating the same BS (risk v reward, dont undock if you cant afford it, eve was made for pvp... etc...). Just because you can be a **** on the playground does not mean you have to.

This is getting to be rediculous with you people. You are constutuionally incapable of admitting you are dicks, despite all of the evidence. You can keep ganking, by all means. EvE was designed to allow many forms of gameplay. But, if you highsec gank you MUST admit that you are an antisocial, you take pleasure in causing frustration to others, and only YOU are responsible for YOUR actions.

Then CCP clearly doesn't follow their own stated intent as exhumers are T2 ships and are therefore supposed to be specialized.
I agree insofar as T1 barges are concerned.

The ganker places an unwritten value on what they're willing to spend, regardless of if they gank for the profit or for the lulz.
This is the trade off and it's different for each person. The fact remains that the higher total cost of a gank, the less gankers there will be. Miners could do this themselves, but they've whined and cried and now CCP is caving and has decided to coddle the hisec carebear masses.

http://i.imgur.com/x7d0o.jpg Just look at that tank. for the tier 1 mining barge.

Penalizing bots should not be prioritized over giving non-botting players (AFK or otherwise) wider and more relevant choices.

How exactly does homogenizing mining ships give non-botting players wider more relevant choices? Its like saying you can pick door 1, 2, 3, or n but the same thing is behind each one.

Its mostly, cause we don't care about the bots. We want to mine, not worry about bots. You should pick up mining, would close off some of that free time you have to worry about bots so much.

I wasn't aware that considerable differences in tank yield and hold were the same thing behind each one.

^You should cut down on the time recruiting and add more time to reading the barge changes. That is some nice number, but the cargo holds are anything but similiar. As for tanks, the macks and retrievers are decent, the proc is too much propably, but who cares.

Its not as beautiful though these changes as you had hoped for (as well as me hoping for better as well), but its not as bad as you are saying it is either.

Hulk gets like what, 7k for ore hold compared to mack 30k or so?

For someone who hates bots so much, surely you would know what barge they would pick to bot in.

Not gonna, don't have a bot to do that with.

Post the numbers then prove your point.

I forgot to prove my point after posting the numbers. The point is, that you only brought up mining yeild. And yes they are vastly the same. Which is glorious. The other glorius thing is that the mack get an ore hold the size of a jet can. That is the part you do not believe in. Also proc gets alot more armor, but who really cares, besides the happy go lucky cyno people.

Maybe it would be easier to swallow if the ships themselves had a battleship hull instead of being a cruiser class hull.

EDIT: Then leave the tankability to fitting. Those miners who didnt tank before still wont tank.
As a miner, the ore hold is stupid. I think letting darwin allow people to sacrifice tank for a higher yield was just.

With the changes as currently PROPOSED, the Skiff is entirely worthless, because the Mackinaw is not reasonably gankable (not being reasonably gankable is the Skiff's job). The only way to fix that is to reduce the Mack's PROPOSED tank. Then the Mack becomes worthless because of the Skiff's Ore Hold (having an enormous Ore Hold is the Mack's job). The only way to fix that is to reduce the Skiff's PROPOSED ore hold.

It's not a Nerf if the result is better than the current TQ, unless you've already decided that you're entitled to the SISI stats.

The irony here being that all of these ships are going to be better than what we currently have.

A great way to balance things would be to make Concord response time depending on the security status of the victim.

A great way to balance things would be to make Concord response time depending on the security status of the victim.