http://i.imgur.com/x7d0o.jpg Just look at that tank. for the tier 1 mining barge.

Never thought some stupid mining ships were so pivotal to the very future of EvE.

I expect BCE's president Mario Draghi lowering EURIBOR just to deal with the worldwide nuclear fallout coming out of adding 3k EHP to a ship or something.

http://i.imgur.com/x7d0o.jpg Just look at that tank. for the tier 1 mining barge.

This is great, dont take any responsibility for your own actions. NO ONE FORCES YOU TO GANK MINERS. You CHOOSE to gank miners and then justify it by repeating the same BS (risk v reward, dont undock if you cant afford it, eve was made for pvp... etc...). Just because you can be a **** on the playground does not mean you have to.

This is getting to be rediculous with you people. You are constutuionally incapable of admitting you are dicks, despite all of the evidence. You can keep ganking, by all means. EvE was designed to allow many forms of gameplay. But, if you highsec gank you MUST admit that you are an antisocial, you take pleasure in causing frustration to others, and only YOU are responsible for YOUR actions.

Let me guess, the Mack is the official AFK ship yet you want it to pop as easy as possible. That's though design eh?

Fit a Tank on your current Hulk or, post 1.2, fly a Skiff and you probably won't be ganked because it's going to be very expensive to do so. (Current tanked Hulk can only have a breakeven for the gankers in very limited, special snowflake conditions, and it can't be profitable).

EVE was designed to allow many forms of gameplay. Nobody's telling you that you're not allowed to mine; we're just trying to blow you up. Why are you telling us we're not allowed to do something we like?

This isn't WOW. "It Hurts the Vicitims Feel" isn't a valid reason to ban something or effectively ban something (the original SISI stats would have made it impossible to gank for profit no matter which ship the miners flew).

The Mack is the official "not supported by a Hauler ship." Why should CCP design a ship specifically to cater to AFK people?

First of all CCP posted a Tiericide devblog and the philosophy behind making all hulls worth flying by giving them different flavours.
One of those flavours is "tanky boat". Guess what, we are going to get such a tanky boat, with the drawback of mining worse than the best but still enough (this is debatable) not to make it relegated to abandoned hull any longer.

Deal with it.

Also, it's cute how you arrogate the established right to kill whoever in humongous masses and then say this is not WoW.

In WoW and other games the designers are not idiots, when they see spawn camping and mass farming they implement spawn defenses, barriers, cannons etc.

We got something similar to mass spawn camping in EvE and guess what, CCP are implementing defenses and so on.

Because there's demand for it?

Why shoud Dodge build pickups? Or why Harley Davidson builds noisy chromed motorbikes?

Again. The Mackinaw's large enough tank removes any value that the Skiff's even larger tank has for miners, so as it stands now, the Skiff has no role whatsoever. You get it? I want all 3 Exhumers to have a role. With the current stats, only 2 of them do.

People are already fitting cynos and brick tanks on SiSi and you whine about "Skiff can't be ganked in hisec"...

First of all CCP posted a Tiericide devblog and the philosophy behind making all hulls worth flying by giving them different flavours.
One of those flavours is "tanky boat". Guess what, we are going to get such a tanky boat, with the drawback of mining worse than the best but still enough (this is debatable) not to make it relegated to abandoned hull any longer.

Deal with it.

Nobody is against the skiff and procurer getting this job and being good at it. Hence why we dont want the other barges to take that roll away from it.

Did you bother reading my Post? Let me bold some things for you. The Skiff's tank is great. I love that Miners can choose to fly a ship with enough tank that nobody's going to bother them. The problem is that the Mack takes that cool role away from the Skiff by fitting enough tank to do exactly the same thing with a much larger cargo bay and the exact same (actually, a little better yield). (I'm ignoring, for now, the fact that they already had a ship that can tank enough, but now the Mackinaw has a role).

Again. The Mackinaw's large enough tank removes any value that the Skiff's even larger tank has for miners, so as it stands now, the Skiff has no role whatsoever. You get it? I want all 3 Exhumers to have a role. With the current stats, only 2 of them do.

This is EVE. We do have the right to kill anyone we want. If we didn't, F1 wouldn't work in HS.

In EVE, you "spawn" at a Station. That station has Sentry guns. In HS, you have CONCORD. That kills anyone who ganks. What more do you want? Players are responsible for their own safety.

First of all CCP posted a Tiericide devblog and the philosophy behind making all hulls worth flying by giving them different flavours.

In WoW and other games the designers are not idiots, when they see spawn camping and mass farming they implement spawn defenses, barriers, cannons etc.

We got something similar to mass spawn camping in EvE and guess what, CCP are implementing defenses and so on.

There's demand for a HS Dread. It comes up in the EffandEye forums all the time. CCP's not making those at the moment.

Why should CCP design a ship specifically to cater to AFK people? Game design reason, please.

After the patch Hulk with two MLU's will have ~9500 EHP. You can't gank that?

Then they went and mixed in a large dose of "tanky" with the high cargo variant. The Mack should have a far lower EHP but much higher shield regen. That way it can sit unattended in a hisec belt for a while without blowing up due to three frigates shooting it, but it won't be so tough against the blaster catalyst trio.

In WoW and other games the designers are not idiots, when they see spawn camping and mass farming they implement spawn defenses, barriers, cannons etc.

We got something similar to mass spawn camping in EvE and guess what, CCP are implementing defenses and so on.

Yet rogues continue to stun lock.

Yep I can and for a profit but only if they dont fit a tank.

Yep I can and for a profit but only if they dont fit a tank. The skiff will be a challange and I will most likely be mining in that from now and perhaps doing pvp in one too

that hasn't happened since the hp buffs at the start of tbc nearly half a decade ago.

you simply don't have enough combined stuns and dps to 100 -> 0 some one with the larger hp pools.
then came resilience etc...

Yep I can and for a profit but only if they dont fit a tank. The skiff will be a challange and I will most likely be mining in that from now and perhaps doing pvp in one too

Why are you, Pipa and other gankers whining about this?

Yes, that EHP is without any tank and fleet bonuses.

... profit which you shouldn't have.

It's not just because the lead game designer said so, but because you don't get that huge "for a profit" value if you gank most other empty / untanked ships.