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Mallak Azaria
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Posted - 2012.07.28 09:19:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:
Yet rogues continue to stun lock.
that hasn't happened since the hp buffs at the start of tbc nearly half a decade ago. you simply don't have enough combined stuns and dps to 100 -> 0 some one with the larger hp pools. then came resilience etc...
This is now a "Talk about [Insert random easy-mode MMO here]" thread. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |

Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
303
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Posted - 2012.07.28 09:20:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Dave stark wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:
Yet rogues continue to stun lock.
that hasn't happened since the hp buffs at the start of tbc nearly half a decade ago. you simply don't have enough combined stuns and dps to 100 -> 0 some one with the larger hp pools. then came resilience etc... Yes I have VERY vague reminescences about "prep rogues" but that was 2005. Last time I played (Burning Crusade) that spec was basically only good vs outdoor materials harvesting alts who did not enter a battleground once (battlegrounds gave welfare gear with defensive stats called resilience or something).
you didn't even need prep itself, you just needed the spec.
i remember grinding for my gm swords when honour points were first introduced. i graveyard camped a poor shaman in wsg, i took him from 100 -> 0 every time he spawned. i felt bad for him.
yep once resilience came in and your chance to get a crit streak dropped to about 0% then you simply didn't have the dps to take some one down during stuns and they'd turn the tables on you pretty quickly. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |

Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
303
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Posted - 2012.07.28 09:22:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Dave stark wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:
Yet rogues continue to stun lock.
that hasn't happened since the hp buffs at the start of tbc nearly half a decade ago. you simply don't have enough combined stuns and dps to 100 -> 0 some one with the larger hp pools. then came resilience etc... This is now a "Talk about [Insert random easy-mode MMO here]" thread.
the thread's 80 pages long, we all know as the number of posts in a thread increases it's relevance to the op tends to 0. it also invokes ingram's law and inevitably soon we'll be talking about the 1940s. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1724
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Posted - 2012.07.28 09:25:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:baltec1 wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:baltec1 wrote:Nobody is against the skiff and procurer getting this job and being good at it. Hence why we dont want the other barges to take that roll away from it. After the patch Hulk with two MLU's will have ~9500 EHP. You can't gank that? Yep I can and for a profit but only if they dont fit a tank. ... profit which you shouldn't have. It's not just because the lead game designer said so, but because you don't get that huge "for a profit" value if you gank most other empty / untanked ships. You do if they fill all their slots with t2 mods.
As of today you profit even if they park a bare hull. In fact most crap tank ships have T1 mids and many (due to low SP) have T1 mining lasers. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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baltec1
Bat Country
1725
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Posted - 2012.07.28 09:25:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:baltec1 wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:baltec1 wrote:Nobody is against the skiff and procurer getting this job and being good at it. Hence why we dont want the other barges to take that roll away from it. After the patch Hulk with two MLU's will have ~9500 EHP. You can't gank that? Yep I can and for a profit but only if they dont fit a tank. The skiff will be a challange and I will most likely be mining in that from now and perhaps doing pvp in one too  a fully tanked hulk still out mines a max yield skiff, and a fully tanked hulk shouldn't die to suicide gankers unless they're packing more pewpew than they are now.
I did say the hulk with no tank. You can kill a tanked hulk for a loss but the skiff is another story which is as it should be. I still have some concerns over the survivability of the procurer and retriver. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1724
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Posted - 2012.07.28 09:26:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:Dave stark wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:
Yet rogues continue to stun lock.
that hasn't happened since the hp buffs at the start of tbc nearly half a decade ago. you simply don't have enough combined stuns and dps to 100 -> 0 some one with the larger hp pools. then came resilience etc... This is now a "Talk about [Insert random easy-mode MMO here]" thread.
EvE is an easy mode MMO as well.
This whole thread is created by bads who want to keep effortlessy farming other bads who are even worse.
Actually, in WoW if you want to compete for any ladder you must stop keyboard turning and being a clicker, EvE does not even demand that. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
22
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Posted - 2012.07.28 09:30:00 -
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Ganking became too easy, i man ppl were making alts and were able to gank around pretty undisturbed. Just skill up your toon and u ll still be able to gank ships, bring a friend or 2 and there it is, so much more opportunities |

Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
303
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Posted - 2012.07.28 09:33:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Dave stark wrote:baltec1 wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:baltec1 wrote:Nobody is against the skiff and procurer getting this job and being good at it. Hence why we dont want the other barges to take that roll away from it. After the patch Hulk with two MLU's will have ~9500 EHP. You can't gank that? Yep I can and for a profit but only if they dont fit a tank. The skiff will be a challange and I will most likely be mining in that from now and perhaps doing pvp in one too  a fully tanked hulk still out mines a max yield skiff, and a fully tanked hulk shouldn't die to suicide gankers unless they're packing more pewpew than they are now. I did say the hulk with no tank. You can kill a tanked hulk for a loss but the skiff is another story which is as it should be. I still have some concerns over the survivability of the procurer and retriver.
the ret will be gank fodder, but as a t1 barge that's to be expected. it costs pocket change, for that kind of cheapness you're not going to get a gank resistant barge, that's the purpose of exhumers. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |

Random Celestial
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
3
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Posted - 2012.07.28 09:35:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:
the ret will be gank fodder, but as a t1 barge that's to be expected. it costs pocket change, for that kind of cheapness you're not going to get a gank resistant barge, that's the purpose of exhumers.
http://i.imgur.com/x7d0o.jpg
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baltec1
Bat Country
1725
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Posted - 2012.07.28 09:36:00 -
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Zloco Crendraven wrote:Ganking became too easy, i man ppl were making alts and were able to gank around pretty undisturbed. Just skill up your toon and u ll still be able to gank ships, bring a friend or 2 and there it is, so much more opportunities
It was only easy because the miners made it easy. |

Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
303
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Posted - 2012.07.28 09:38:00 -
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Random Celestial wrote:Dave stark wrote:
the ret will be gank fodder, but as a t1 barge that's to be expected. it costs pocket change, for that kind of cheapness you're not going to get a gank resistant barge, that's the purpose of exhumers.
http://i.imgur.com/x7d0o.jpg
very pretty, but you know what i meant. it's role isn't to be a tanky ship and as such it's paper thin unlike an exhumer. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |

baltec1
Bat Country
1725
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Posted - 2012.07.28 09:41:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Random Celestial wrote:Dave stark wrote:
the ret will be gank fodder, but as a t1 barge that's to be expected. it costs pocket change, for that kind of cheapness you're not going to get a gank resistant barge, that's the purpose of exhumers.
http://i.imgur.com/x7d0o.jpg very pretty, but you know what i meant. it's role isn't to be a tanky ship and as such it's paper thin unlike an exhumer.
So long as they can tank a blow from a destroyer when max tank they should be fine. I still would have liked the skiff to keep its +2 warp strenght but it will still be good without it. |

Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
303
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Posted - 2012.07.28 09:47:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Dave stark wrote:Random Celestial wrote:Dave stark wrote:
the ret will be gank fodder, but as a t1 barge that's to be expected. it costs pocket change, for that kind of cheapness you're not going to get a gank resistant barge, that's the purpose of exhumers.
http://i.imgur.com/x7d0o.jpg very pretty, but you know what i meant. it's role isn't to be a tanky ship and as such it's paper thin unlike an exhumer. So long as they can tank a blow from a destroyer when max tank they should be fine. I still would have liked the skiff to keep its +2 warp strenght but it will still be good without it. agreed i was disappointed when it vanished, it seemed appropriate for a ship that promotes survivability. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |

Random Celestial
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.07.28 09:52:00 -
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And the retriever: http://i.imgur.com/Wz4cR.jpg |

baltec1
Bat Country
1725
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Posted - 2012.07.28 09:53:00 -
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Dave stark wrote: agreed i was disappointed when it vanished, it seemed appropriate for a ship that promotes survivability.
It would have been the top choice for low sec and even provoded another option to avoid a gank in high sec. |

Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
303
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Posted - 2012.07.28 09:57:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Dave stark wrote: agreed i was disappointed when it vanished, it seemed appropriate for a ship that promotes survivability.
It would have been the top choice for low sec and even provoded another option to avoid a gank in high sec.
hmm i know the skiff is pretty speedy, but what's it's align time like? then again at least with the core stab bonus you only had to worry about being bumped instead of the "well i'm scrammed may as well open the market tab and buy a new ship" scenario of being scrammed. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |

Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
303
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Posted - 2012.07.28 09:58:00 -
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and now a fit that can actually mine. forgot how much cpu a cyno takes but is there enough cpu left for 2 strips? (t2 strips) Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |

Random Celestial
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.07.28 10:04:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:and now a fit that can actually mine. forgot how much cpu a cyno takes but is there enough cpu left for 2 strips? (t2 strips)
Sorry I thankfully came to my senses in relation to mining right after training for the retriever, and before t2 strips. |

Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
303
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Posted - 2012.07.28 10:07:00 -
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Random Celestial wrote:Dave stark wrote:and now a fit that can actually mine. forgot how much cpu a cyno takes but is there enough cpu left for 2 strips? (t2 strips) Sorry I thankfully came to my senses in relation to mining right after training for the retriever, and before t2 strips.
check the requirements, check the remaining cpu once the cyno is off and do the maths. i trust you to add up properly. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |

baltec1
Bat Country
1725
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Posted - 2012.07.28 10:08:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:and now a fit that can actually mine. forgot how much cpu a cyno takes but is there enough cpu left for 2 strips? (t2 strips)
It wont get a tank like that but it will still easily tank a destroyer. |

Random Celestial
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2012.07.28 10:09:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Random Celestial wrote:Dave stark wrote:and now a fit that can actually mine. forgot how much cpu a cyno takes but is there enough cpu left for 2 strips? (t2 strips) Sorry I thankfully came to my senses in relation to mining right after training for the retriever, and before t2 strips. check the requirements, check the remaining cpu once the cyno is off and do the maths. i trust you to add up properly.
139 CPU spare without the cyno, so yes. |

Pyotr Kamarovi
EVE University Ivy League
7
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Posted - 2012.07.28 10:18:00 -
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There appears to have been a sharp reversal in trends here. Now, with CCP announcing that it is actually going to do something about the mining problem (which makes perfect sense, considering their shift towards minerals coming mainly from mining and not other sources, e.g: gun mining), there are far less threads from miners "whining" about being ganked, and then being trolled and heckled by gankers, and a proportionately larger number of threads from gankers "whining" about not being able to gank, and being trolled and heckled by miners, carebears, and people with sense. |

Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
303
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Posted - 2012.07.28 10:23:00 -
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Random Celestial wrote:Dave stark wrote:Random Celestial wrote:Dave stark wrote:and now a fit that can actually mine. forgot how much cpu a cyno takes but is there enough cpu left for 2 strips? (t2 strips) Sorry I thankfully came to my senses in relation to mining right after training for the retriever, and before t2 strips. check the requirements, check the remaining cpu once the cyno is off and do the maths. i trust you to add up properly. 139 CPU spare without the cyno, so yes. in that case, colour me impressed. however the loss of 3 mlus will hurt to the point where i'd probably rather just replace the ship for how little it costs. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1724
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Posted - 2012.07.28 10:27:00 -
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Pyotr Kamarovi wrote:There appears to have been a sharp reversal in trends here. Now, with CCP announcing that it is actually going to do something about the mining problem (which makes perfect sense, considering their shift towards minerals coming mainly from mining and not other sources, e.g: gun mining), there are far less threads from miners "whining" about being ganked, and then being trolled and heckled by gankers, and a proportionately larger number of threads from gankers "whining" about not being able to gank, and being trolled and heckled by miners, carebears, and people with sense.
It's called "what goes around, turns around". Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
303
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Posted - 2012.07.28 10:28:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Pyotr Kamarovi wrote:There appears to have been a sharp reversal in trends here. Now, with CCP announcing that it is actually going to do something about the mining problem (which makes perfect sense, considering their shift towards minerals coming mainly from mining and not other sources, e.g: gun mining), there are far less threads from miners "whining" about being ganked, and then being trolled and heckled by gankers, and a proportionately larger number of threads from gankers "whining" about not being able to gank, and being trolled and heckled by miners, carebears, and people with sense. It's called "what goes around, turns around".
"what goes around, comes around". Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |

Mallak Azaria
402
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Posted - 2012.07.28 10:29:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Pyotr Kamarovi wrote:There appears to have been a sharp reversal in trends here. Now, with CCP announcing that it is actually going to do something about the mining problem (which makes perfect sense, considering their shift towards minerals coming mainly from mining and not other sources, e.g: gun mining), there are far less threads from miners "whining" about being ganked, and then being trolled and heckled by gankers, and a proportionately larger number of threads from gankers "whining" about not being able to gank, and being trolled and heckled by miners, carebears, and people with sense. It's called "what goes around, comes around".
I fixed this for you because you still speak better English as a second language than most people who grow up with it do. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1724
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Posted - 2012.07.28 10:43:00 -
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Mallak Azaria wrote:
I fixed this for you because you still speak better English as a second language than most people who grow up with it do.
Heh thank you, I had to learn English by chatting on MUDs chats, as they did not even teach it at school back at the time 
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Mc Cormeg
Friends Of Harassment
0
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Posted - 2012.07.28 11:46:00 -
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So heres my proposal to this whole bunch of miner ganktank stuff:
- Stick to the original roles for Skiffs,Macks and Hulks (Mercoxite,Ice,Ore). - Expand them to their T1 counterparts - Reduce skillrequirements for the T1 barges i.e. mining barge V required for a Covetor is way to much - Provide barges and exhumers with slots,CPU and PGU to fitt a propper buffertank against gankers and 0.0 NPCs
-> Miners will have the choice either to widstand the evil elementary school bully at the cost of insane high mining amounts or otherwise form a fleet and care for his dscan and still will be able to bring his Elaras Mining Laser Upgrade to suck the hell out of the veldspar roids.
Please do so. |

Mallak Azaria
403
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Posted - 2012.07.28 11:55:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:Dave stark wrote:Mara Rinn wrote:
Yet rogues continue to stun lock.
that hasn't happened since the hp buffs at the start of tbc nearly half a decade ago. you simply don't have enough combined stuns and dps to 100 -> 0 some one with the larger hp pools. then came resilience etc... This is now a "Talk about [Insert random easy-mode MMO here]" thread. EvE is an easy mode MMO as well. This whole thread is created by bads who want to keep effortlessy farming other bads who are even worse. Actually, in WoW if you want to compete for any ladder you must stop keyboard turning and being a clicker, EvE does not even demand that.
Is there anything in that game that encourages you to learn how to play better? Is it one of those games where you drop equipment when someone kills you, or do you just respawn after a small amount of time with no real set-back? I ask because there is quite a bit more to EVE PvP than pressing a couple of buttons, blob-warfare being the exception. Mining Barge buff: CCP-áhas acknowledged that miners in general-áare too stupid to make the correct fitting choices to make ganking them unprofitable. |

Docter Daniel Jackson
Hendrix Angels Fabricated Confabulations
31
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Posted - 2012.07.28 12:02:00 -
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All this crying is yummy :D |
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