Drop the resist bonuses and they'd be fine.

Like, deceive the miners with fat display stats values while in reality nothing changes?

i think its a drastic overbuff

Seems to me that's a drastic change from your earlier position.

tldr;
GÇótech 1 barges now only require Astrogeology III and Mining Barge I
GÇóCovetor and Hulk lose -500hp from shield, armour and structure (about 20% less effective HP than last build)
GÇóHulk gets increased yield; one of the +3% bonuses gets buffed to +5%/level
GÇóProcurer gets a massive 4 mid slots (+3 from last build) making it quite tough
GÇóRetriever ore hold goes from 30k to 28k, but more forgiving of those with low barge piloting skills
GÇóExhumer shields reset to t1 resists + 5% per level (I think GÇô hard to read diffs sometimes)
GÇóMining crystals reduced to half the volume (inb4 mineral compressionGǪ.)

And here are todays sisi changes to barges.


Eat your hearts out.

Tanking is what the skiff is going to be for not the mack

Yeah the "discussion" in the feedback forum is going strong.

I don't get why a T2 ship should get T1 resists plus something. T2 ships are meant to get T2 resists else they should drop the cost from 250M to 25M and be T1.

And here are todays sisi changes to barges.


Eat your hearts out.

yield bonus on the hulk is nice.
retriever never had a 30k ore bay anyway, it has been 28k for the last few days now, the 50% bonus dropped to 25% but it got an extra 2.5k base ore bay increase anyway.
mining crystal change was a few days ago unless crystals are now like 12.5m3?

They are 15 m3 now :sherlock:

As for the tldr, I'm not claiming any accuracy as it was a direct copy paste from Serpentine's blog.

No, "profitability" isn't that big an issue to most. It's getting more expensive kills cheaply - without anyone seeing that they lost anything in their "KB stats". 5 BC's ganking a single hulk... each PERSON involved will only show a hulk kill - no loss info shows.

If you want a really funny fix from CCP on this - they setup a NPC killboard. Which NPC factions have killed what pilots in which type of ships. NO competition with main killboards which only show player vs player losses.

Seeing ImUbahGankah showing 500 transport kills... Then checking the NPC boards to find 2300 losses to CONCORD would be worth its weight in laughs. Seeing Serpentis, Angles, etc showing 50 carrier kills, 10 supercap kills ... Yeah, that would be funny as hell and bring an end to your "Nobody will know I lost anything" gank failures.

Seeing the ACTUAL success and failure rates for gankers would remove a lot of "you can't prevent it. They know..." supposed psychic bullshit that too many players buy into about gankers. They fail - a lot. It's just those failures tend to be hidding 99% of the time and even their successes don't *PUBLICALLY* show them losing anything. It would also mitigate a lot of attitude about how "safe" PvE is in EVE.

I am not 'bitching', I don't even mine. I support the buff of mining barges though since ganking is getting out of control. The sad thing is that people don't see that they are being manipulated by the alliance who controls the minerals required to make the barges. The buff to the tanks will help make that monopoly not as profitable as it currently is.

My my... 94 pages already? How **** does fly.....

My God, do you seriously believe that the so-called "OTEC" has that much of a hold on everyone? Do you seriously believe that everyone in this game is so credulous, so blinkered, so stupid as to allow themselves to be forced into this as the "only" option -- in an open-world sandbox?

Advice: If you want to convince your audience of something, then it helps not to disrespect their intelligence that blatantly.

My manufacturing/invention character -- as in, building Hulks, among other T II stuff -- would beg to differ, in any case.

(And no, I'm not a shill for them: I despise those fart-bags just as much as you lot seem to, although I suspect my reasons are rather different.)

E:

See, that's the whole point I've been trying to make:

You carebears always choose to be victims, and then always bleat about how you're somehow entitled to being protected from consequences of same without having to take any steps to protect/help yourselves, which are all easy, readily available to everyone, and far too numerous to list here, even if they hadn't already been being listed for the last 90-odd pages. And in the forums for the last 8-odd years.

But just because you choose to be a victim, doesn't mean everyone else does -- a proper miner would shudder in revulsion at the concept; Yes, there still are some! -- nor yet is everyone else obligated to sacrifice gameplay so you can continue to be safe on your greasy fear-sweat-dripping/stinking pedestal of sanctimonious victim-hood.

EVE is a game about taking your safety, business, and fun into your own hands.

If you can't/won't handle that, then there are plenty of bland, safe, easy MMOs out there, go play them, and quit trying to turn EVE into another one like them. There's a reason so many are going/have gone free-to-play/pay-to-win, if they weren't before.

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I tried sticking a model of the Itty V up my bunghole. It was more fun, but it bled so much I had to stop.

Yeah the "discussion" in the feedback forum is going strong.

I don't get why a T2 ship should get T1 resists plus something. T2 ships are meant to get T2 resists else they should drop the cost from 250M to 25M and be T1.

They're made by ORE and are noncombat ships so why would they need resists? You can't tell me belt rats are that threatening.

No, "profitability" isn't that big an issue to most. It's getting more expensive kills cheaply - without anyone seeing that they lost anything in their "KB stats". 5 BC's ganking a single hulk... each PERSON involved will only show a hulk kill - no loss info shows.
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Good to know we are still steaming, full speed ahead! - towards Hello-Kitty highsec, a paradise for bots and stupidass gameplay.

The irony of course being that if you know so from mining firsthand you are in fact a carebear yourself, and if you don't you are a theorycrafter, which is much worse.

They're made by ORE and are noncombat ships so why would they need resists? You can't tell me belt rats are that threatening.

For tanking ganks hopefully to the point that gankers move on to someone else obviously. Also like all the other ships in game they have trouble doing their job as a wreck.

They're made by ORE and are noncombat ships so why would they need resists? You can't tell me belt rats are that threatening.

Thankfully they can do this job.

You should try flying a current retriever in a low SP character. Triple 0.6 sec frigs seriously risk to kill you - even shield repairing - before you warp away.

You know, the game as also to cater to those so despised and spat in face newbies.

Thankfully they can do this job.