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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
259
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Posted - 2012.07.29 20:15:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:baltec1 wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:La Nariz wrote:They're made by ORE and are noncombat ships so why would they need resists? You can't tell me belt rats are that threatening. For tanking ganks hopefully to the point that gankers move on to someone else obviously. Also like all the other ships in game they have trouble doing their job as a wreck. Thankfully they can do this job. You should try flying a current retriever in a low SP character. Triple 0.6 sec frigs seriously risk to kill you - even shield repairing - before you warp away. You know, the game as also to cater to those so despised and spat in face newbies. The new retriver doesnt have that issue.
This is the retriever that many of your peers are saying isn't necessary and shouldn't exist. |
Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
310
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Posted - 2012.07.29 20:16:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:baltec1 wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:La Nariz wrote:They're made by ORE and are noncombat ships so why would they need resists? You can't tell me belt rats are that threatening. For tanking ganks hopefully to the point that gankers move on to someone else obviously. Also like all the other ships in game they have trouble doing their job as a wreck. Thankfully they can do this job. You should try flying a current retriever in a low SP character. Triple 0.6 sec frigs seriously risk to kill you - even shield repairing - before you warp away. You know, the game as also to cater to those so despised and spat in face newbies. The new retriver doesnt have that issue.
go to 0.7 and nor does the current one.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1741
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Posted - 2012.07.29 20:25:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:
Thankfully they can do this job.
You should try flying a current retriever in a low SP character. Triple 0.6 sec frigs seriously risk to kill you - even shield repairing - before you warp away.
You know, the game as also to cater to those so despised and spat in face newbies.[/quote]
The new retriver doesnt have that issue.[/quote]
go to 0.7 and nor does the current one.[/quote]
A new minmatar pilot (like one of my alts) is between all sorts of secs, in some 1.0 newbie systems the next one is 0.5 sec.
And yes a low SP pilot gets loads of damage, you might have forgot how it is but I don't.
Also restricting new players in a ghetto is totally against the idea of letting them explore, do you want more bears?
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baltec1
Bat Country
1732
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Posted - 2012.07.29 20:28:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:
go to 0.7 and nor does the current one.
All depends on how you fit it. Right now on TQ you can tank it enough so that the drones will mop up any NPC spawn long before you get into trouble in 0.5. |
Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
310
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Posted - 2012.07.29 20:31:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Dave stark wrote:
go to 0.7 and nor does the current one.
All depends on how you fit it. Right now on TQ you can tank it enough so that the drones will mop up any NPC spawn long before you get into trouble in 0.5.
survey scanner and mlus. the difference is that the belt rats are only an issue if you have poor drone skills. nothing to do with tanking skills.
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baltec1
Bat Country
1732
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Posted - 2012.07.29 20:33:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:
survey scanner and mlus.
Blah those are optional extras. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
259
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Posted - 2012.07.29 20:39:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Dave stark wrote:
survey scanner and mlus.
Blah those are optional extras.
That's one thing I don't quite get, that mining ships are pretty near the only ships not expected to use modules that enhance their primary function to be viable. |
Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
310
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Posted - 2012.07.29 20:42:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:baltec1 wrote:Dave stark wrote:
survey scanner and mlus.
Blah those are optional extras. That's one thing I don't quite get, that mining ships are pretty near the only ships not expected to use modules that enhance their primary function to be viable.
this is because when you fit a combat ship there are 4 things you can fit. more dps, tank, or utility (webs, scram all that ****).
with a mining ship you only have yield and tank, and you can't fit both because of the lack of cpu on ships.
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baltec1
Bat Country
1732
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Posted - 2012.07.29 20:43:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:baltec1 wrote:Dave stark wrote:
survey scanner and mlus.
Blah those are optional extras. That's one thing I don't quite get, that mining ships are pretty near the only ships not expected to use modules that enhance their primary function to be viable.
Tell that to my Impel. |
Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
310
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Posted - 2012.07.29 20:45:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:baltec1 wrote:Dave stark wrote:
survey scanner and mlus.
Blah those are optional extras. That's one thing I don't quite get, that mining ships are pretty near the only ships not expected to use modules that enhance their primary function to be viable. Tell that to my Impel.
your impel is the higest cargo space dst anyway.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
259
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Posted - 2012.07.29 20:46:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:baltec1 wrote:Dave stark wrote:
survey scanner and mlus.
Blah those are optional extras. That's one thing I don't quite get, that mining ships are pretty near the only ships not expected to use modules that enhance their primary function to be viable. this is because when you fit a combat ship there are 4 things you can fit. more dps, tank, or utility (webs, scram all that ****). with a mining ship you only have yield and tank, and you can't fit both because of the lack of cpu on ships.
No, I fully understand that, what I don't, to state it more clearly is why people are so opposed to the idea of balance in a fit without one aspect failing to be at all effective. In this case an exhumer's tank unless every non-high slot is dedicated to it. |
baltec1
Bat Country
1732
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Posted - 2012.07.29 20:47:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:
your impel is the higest cargo space dst anyway.
yep, plus it has a monster tank. No cargo mods though if I want that tank. |
Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
310
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Posted - 2012.07.29 20:48:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Dave stark wrote:
your impel is the higest cargo space dst anyway.
yep, plus it has a monster tank. No cargo mods though if I want that tank.
who bothers tanking a hauler anyway? max cargo and mwd trick will save you more often.
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
76
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Posted - 2012.07.29 20:49:00 -
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95 pages of carebear tears. |
Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
310
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Posted - 2012.07.29 20:49:00 -
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:95 pages of carebear tears.
96.
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
259
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Posted - 2012.07.29 20:51:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:baltec1 wrote:Dave stark wrote:
survey scanner and mlus.
Blah those are optional extras. That's one thing I don't quite get, that mining ships are pretty near the only ships not expected to use modules that enhance their primary function to be viable. Tell that to my Impel.
Impel + DCU EHP > All mid/low/rig slot tank EHP on an exhumer.
Edit: Double actually while still having 2 free lows for expanders and not using the rig slots. |
baltec1
Bat Country
1732
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Posted - 2012.07.29 20:53:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:
who bothers tanking a hauler anyway? max cargo and mwd trick will save you more often.
Too sluggish and can be taken down by a nado if you just fit cargo. The only hauler I dont tank is the blocade runner. |
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
76
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Posted - 2012.07.29 20:54:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:95 pages of carebear tears. 96.
Let's keep this thread going.
Maybe it'll get longer than the Mittani apology thread. |
baltec1
Bat Country
1732
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Posted - 2012.07.29 20:59:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Impel + DCU EHP > All mid/low/rig slot tank EHP on an exhumer.
Edit: Double actually while still having 2 free lows for expanders and not using the rig slots.
Those expanders reduce the tank. |
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
259
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Posted - 2012.07.29 21:05:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Impel + DCU EHP > All mid/low/rig slot tank EHP on an exhumer.
Edit: Double actually while still having 2 free lows for expanders and not using the rig slots.
Those expanders reduce the tank.
Filled in those slots with expanders, 55k EHP, no rigs so can get better. Hulk I can get to just under 30k (must be doing something wrong as I'm missing ~2-3k from what most are stating it can have). No boosts/Implants on either. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1496
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Posted - 2012.07.29 22:32:00 -
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rodyas wrote:Komen wrote:I started reading this thread, and I got that it SEEMS to be that ganking miners won't be profitable because it'll take too many gankers to accomplish now.
Which leaves gankers a couple options: Gank for fun, and screw the profit, or move on to other pastures in search of profitable PvP. I wish you all the best with whichever path you choose. And remember, in Eve, you must adapt or die. Unless you're a miner, I guess.
Hm, almost good point. But what about the destroyer and T3 BC expansion? Hm, lets see. Well it looks like gankers got a buff (As in couldn't adapt, and sadly wouldn't die) so CCP gave them cake and let them eat it. Lets see again. Now miners get a pretty much the same or equivalent expansion, it its only miners that can't adapt or die or whine too much, or were given cake and now can eat it.
they also took away insurance payouts for concord losses.but please conveniently ignore that some more
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1496
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Posted - 2012.07.29 22:37:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:baltec1 wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:La Nariz wrote:They're made by ORE and are noncombat ships so why would they need resists? You can't tell me belt rats are that threatening. For tanking ganks hopefully to the point that gankers move on to someone else obviously. Also like all the other ships in game they have trouble doing their job as a wreck. Thankfully they can do this job. You should try flying a current retriever in a low SP character. Triple 0.6 sec frigs seriously risk to kill you - even shield repairing - before you warp away. You know, the game has also to cater to those so despised and spat in face newbies.
"i've been playing for three months and i keep losing vagabonds why are they so weak"
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1743
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Posted - 2012.07.30 00:01:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:baltec1 wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:La Nariz wrote:They're made by ORE and are noncombat ships so why would they need resists? You can't tell me belt rats are that threatening. For tanking ganks hopefully to the point that gankers move on to someone else obviously. Also like all the other ships in game they have trouble doing their job as a wreck. Thankfully they can do this job. You should try flying a current retriever in a low SP character. Triple 0.6 sec frigs seriously risk to kill you - even shield repairing - before you warp away. You know, the game has also to cater to those so despised and spat in face newbies. "i've been playing for three months and i keep losing vagabonds why are they so weak"
A Retriever is clearly on the same advancement level of a Vaga. 
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Soundwave Plays Diablo
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
68
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Posted - 2012.07.30 00:05:00 -
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"Let them eat cake" is a misquote, and "have your cake and eat it too" is possibly the stupidest cliche ever as it is based entirely on a misquote.
The phrase is from a semi fictional autobiography published before Marie Antionette was queen. |
Pipa Porto
568
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Posted - 2012.07.30 00:06:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:
"i've been playing for three months and i keep losing vagabonds why are they so weak"
A Retriever is clearly on the same advancement level of a Vaga.
"I've been playing for 3 months and I keep losing Stabbers why are they so weak."
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
88
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Posted - 2012.07.30 01:05:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:La Nariz wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:JamesCLK wrote:And here are todays sisi changes to barges.Serpentine's EVE wrote:
tldr;
GÇótech 1 barges now only require Astrogeology III and Mining Barge I
GÇóCovetor and Hulk lose -500hp from shield, armour and structure (about 20% less effective HP than last build)
GÇóHulk gets increased yield; one of the +3% bonuses gets buffed to +5%/level
GÇóProcurer gets a massive 4 mid slots (+3 from last build) making it quite tough
GÇóRetriever ore hold goes from 30k to 28k, but more forgiving of those with low barge piloting skills
GÇóExhumer shields reset to t1 resists + 5% per level (I think GÇô hard to read diffs sometimes)
GÇóMining crystals reduced to half the volume (inb4 mineral compressionGǪ.)
Eat your hearts out.  Yeah the "discussion" in the feedback forum is going strong. I don't get why a T2 ship should get T1 resists plus something. T2 ships are meant to get T2 resists else they should drop the cost from 250M to 25M and be T1. They're made by ORE and are noncombat ships so why would they need resists? You can't tell me belt rats are that threatening. i assume you've not tried tanking a triple bs rat spawn in 0.0 with a hulk have you? it's not exactly like running a level 2 in a drake...
Those don't spawn in highsec so I don't think you know what you're talking about.
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La Nariz
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
88
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Posted - 2012.07.30 01:08:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:La Nariz wrote:They're made by ORE and are noncombat ships so why would they need resists? You can't tell me belt rats are that threatening. For tanking ganks hopefully to the point that gankers move on to someone else obviously. Also like all the other ships in game they have trouble doing their job as a wreck.
You know in six or so months from now when you're crying in a thread about crashing low ends I'm going to laugh so hard and point you to this thread.
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Tarn Kugisa
Bugaboo and some Pew Pew
92
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Posted - 2012.07.30 01:11:00 -
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MinefieldS wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Marconus Orion wrote:Oh he mad. But is he wrong? Nope. Fitted properly, a Hulk cannot be profitably ganked. How about a fleet of 30ish velators w/ cheap blasters?
Never underestimate large amounts of Noobships
Also, could I get a link to the devblog or whatever that mentions a Exhumer/Barge Buff?
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Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
126
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Posted - 2012.07.30 01:41:00 -
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This thread makes me feel like doing some mining.
Used to mine in Placid, the loops in low sec, y'know? Evaded an enyo and a claw in my cloaky hulk through two gates, them with their drones out within 5000 m.
Now i mine in null. Haven't lost a hulk yet, it's been 6 months. Vagabond, stiletto, dramiel and of course the obligatory hound tackle/cynabal gang have all failed to lock me up.
Because i do it right.
gf guise gf
Wouldn't have a clue about all them numbers, if you think stats are fun why undock? Or even log on?
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Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc.
Dawn of Transcendence
138
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Posted - 2012.07.30 01:51:00 -
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Fun to see people whine who's motivation clearly is to only pvp when their targets cannot defend themselves :)
I doubt they can even see the joke in this. |
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