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Jypsie
Wandering Star Enterprises
18
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Posted - 2012.07.30 02:04:00 -
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Reiisha wrote:Fun to see people whine who's motivation clearly is to only pvp when their targets cannot defend themselves :)
I doubt they can even see the joke in this.
96 pages of ganker tears.
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
450
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Posted - 2012.07.30 02:10:00 -
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Jypsie wrote:Reiisha wrote:Fun to see people whine who's motivation clearly is to only pvp when their targets cannot defend themselves :)
I doubt they can even see the joke in this. 96 pages of ganker tears. You've clearly read none of them, since there are actually no ganker tears to be found. EVE's 4th of July Fireworks |

Tiamet Cordova
The Black Ops Black Core Alliance
2
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Posted - 2012.07.30 02:12:00 -
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Herr Wilkus wrote:And before this thread fills up with endless gloating threads from miners....(and why shouldn't they gloat? They think CCP just handed them the keys to the kingdom - removed the LAST risk they faced in highsec....)
Realize this: if you are a miner who is reading this thread, chances are YOU are the Third Little Pig. The one that stands to benefit from knowledge of good fits and how to avoid a gank.
Sure, in reality the Wolf won't try to blow your door in. He'll move along and kick down another straw house....
but allowing the stubborn...the new....the bots to feed at the same trough 'without risk' means an impending crash in mineral prices - and the smart miners end up suffering.
So, gloat away......
this is way off. because beefing up low end mining barges wont make miners mine more.... It wont make miners yield more. it simply takes away the ability for effortless griefing and gives ships that were ignored a use again after reaching the hulk. |

Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
81
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Posted - 2012.07.30 02:14:00 -
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posting in epic 97 page thread that won't be read ~ Professional Forum Alt -á~ |

Jypsie
Wandering Star Enterprises
18
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Posted - 2012.07.30 02:18:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote: No, I'm not, you are!
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
451
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Posted - 2012.07.30 02:25:00 -
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Jypsie wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote: No, I'm not, you are!
Except my assessment of gankers not crying doesn't include me, because I'm not a ganker. My position is significantly more objective. EVE's 4th of July Fireworks |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
88
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Posted - 2012.07.30 02:35:00 -
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Reiisha wrote:Fun to see people whine who's motivation clearly is to only pvp when their targets cannot defend themselves :)
I doubt they can even see the joke in this.
I don't know why you miners always use this argument. You aren't getting ganked because people are afraid to risk their ship, they know well a head of time that they are risking a ship, instead you're getting ganked because you whine and tantrum over it. The most hilarious part of all of this is that you wouldn't get ganked at all if you actually fit a tank. Like I said earlier though in ~6months when minerals crash because of the bot friendly environment brought about by these changes I'm going to laugh at you "smart" miners. Goonwaffe is now recruiting feel free to message me in game for information about joining! |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
88
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Posted - 2012.07.30 02:37:00 -
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Tiamet Cordova wrote:Herr Wilkus wrote:And before this thread fills up with endless gloating threads from miners....(and why shouldn't they gloat? They think CCP just handed them the keys to the kingdom - removed the LAST risk they faced in highsec....)
Realize this: if you are a miner who is reading this thread, chances are YOU are the Third Little Pig. The one that stands to benefit from knowledge of good fits and how to avoid a gank.
Sure, in reality the Wolf won't try to blow your door in. He'll move along and kick down another straw house....
but allowing the stubborn...the new....the bots to feed at the same trough 'without risk' means an impending crash in mineral prices - and the smart miners end up suffering.
So, gloat away...... this is way off. because beefing up low end mining barges wont make miners mine more.... It wont make miners yield more. it simply takes away the ability for effortless griefing and gives ships that were ignored a use again after reaching the hulk.
Making something easier attracts more people to the profession which means more minerals will be being mined. More minerals being mined means more supply available which drives cost down. I never took an econ class and even I know that when somethings more common it generally gets cheaper. Goonwaffe is now recruiting feel free to message me in game for information about joining! |

MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
340
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Posted - 2012.07.30 02:37:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jypsie wrote:96 pages of ganker tears.
You've clearly read none of them, since there are actually no ganker tears to be found. I don't know what's worse; that you actually think people will buy this drivel or that you believe it to be true yourself. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
451
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Posted - 2012.07.30 02:46:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jypsie wrote:96 pages of ganker tears.
You've clearly read none of them, since there are actually no ganker tears to be found. I don't know what's worse; that you actually think people will buy this drivel or that you believe it to be true yourself. I think what's even worse is that you seem to feel entitled to safety in hisec. EVE's 4th of July Fireworks |

Garreth Vlox
Sons Of 0din Dark Therapy
21
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Posted - 2012.07.30 02:51:00 -
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Corina Jarr wrote:
No, the low level ones are useless and have no purpose. The only reason Macks are flown is because of their ice bonus.
This is a great way to highlight your complete and total lack of understanding of how mining works in anything other than a .5 system. try mining merc with a hulk while the guy next to you in that small "worthless" ship mines more than twice per cycle what you do while laughing his ass off at the "idiot" mining merc in a hulk. |

Jypsie
Wandering Star Enterprises
18
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Posted - 2012.07.30 02:53:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:...instead you're getting ganked because you whine and tantrum over it...
Awesome, we've circled back to posts around 116'ish
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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
340
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Posted - 2012.07.30 03:02:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jypsie wrote:96 pages of ganker tears.
You've clearly read none of them, since there are actually no ganker tears to be found. I don't know what's worse; that you actually think people will buy this drivel or that you believe it to be true yourself. I think what's even worse is that you seem to feel entitled to safety in hisec. A long-needed buff to mining ships does not equate to the end of suicide ganks or risk in high sec for that matter. That you're having an emotional breakdown over this is really not justified at all. |

Pipa Porto
570
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Posted - 2012.07.30 03:09:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jypsie wrote:96 pages of ganker tears.
You've clearly read none of them, since there are actually no ganker tears to be found. I don't know what's worse; that you actually think people will buy this drivel or that you believe it to be true yourself. I think what's even worse is that you seem to feel entitled to safety in hisec. A long-needed buff to mining ships does not equate to the end of suicide ganks or risk in high sec for that matter. That you're having an emotional breakdown over this is really not justified at all.
The original numbers would have given every Exhumer enough tank that it would be ridiculously expensive to gank them.
The new numbers are almost there. Bring the Mack's tank down a notch to let the Skiff be useful, and bring the Skiff's ore hold down to let the Mack be useful once the Mack's tank goes down, and you have 3 Ships that are useful.
Miners will have a choice.
See that's the thing. Buffing the Skiff and Mack is great. Gives them a reason to exist outside of Mercx and Ice. Buffing the Tank on everything was unnecessary. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
464
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Posted - 2012.07.30 03:32:00 -
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Tiamet Cordova wrote:
this is way off. because beefing up low end mining barges wont make miners mine more.... It wont make miners yield more. it simply takes away the ability for effortless griefing and gives ships that were ignored a use again after reaching the hulk.
No, you fail to understand. Nothing to do with mining 'more'.
Ganked miners mine less. Supply is impacted, driving up mineral prices for those who mine intelligently and protect their T2 300M investments with 4-5 Million in T2 mods.
Stupid miners die, smart miners get higher returns on their efforts. As it should be. Do all miners fail at economics as badly as you do? |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
89
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Posted - 2012.07.30 03:40:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jypsie wrote:96 pages of ganker tears.
You've clearly read none of them, since there are actually no ganker tears to be found. I don't know what's worse; that you actually think people will buy this drivel or that you believe it to be true yourself. I think what's even worse is that you seem to feel entitled to safety in hisec.
Goonwaffe is now recruiting feel free to message me in game for information about joining! |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
89
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Posted - 2012.07.30 03:41:00 -
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Herr Wilkus wrote:Tiamet Cordova wrote:
this is way off. because beefing up low end mining barges wont make miners mine more.... It wont make miners yield more. it simply takes away the ability for effortless griefing and gives ships that were ignored a use again after reaching the hulk.
No, you fail to understand. Nothing to do with mining 'more'. Ganked miners mine less. Supply is impacted, driving up mineral prices for those who mine intelligently and protect their T2 300M investments with 4-5 Million in T2 mods. Stupid miners die, smart miners get higher returns on their efforts. As it should be. Do all miners fail at economics as badly as you do?
Ask them if the minerals they mine are free and you'll figure that one out right away. Goonwaffe is now recruiting feel free to message me in game for information about joining! |

Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
259
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Posted - 2012.07.30 03:52:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:La Nariz wrote:They're made by ORE and are noncombat ships so why would they need resists? You can't tell me belt rats are that threatening. For tanking ganks hopefully to the point that gankers move on to someone else obviously. Also like all the other ships in game they have trouble doing their job as a wreck. You know in six or so months from now when you're crying in a thread about crashing low ends I'm going to laugh so hard and point you to this thread. Too bad that will never happen. |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
89
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Posted - 2012.07.30 03:59:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:La Nariz wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:La Nariz wrote:They're made by ORE and are noncombat ships so why would they need resists? You can't tell me belt rats are that threatening. For tanking ganks hopefully to the point that gankers move on to someone else obviously. Also like all the other ships in game they have trouble doing their job as a wreck. You know in six or so months from now when you're crying in a thread about crashing low ends I'm going to laugh so hard and point you to this thread. Too bad that will never happen.
Are the minerals you mine free? Goonwaffe is now recruiting feel free to message me in game for information about joining! |

Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
259
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Posted - 2012.07.30 04:00:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:La Nariz wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:La Nariz wrote:They're made by ORE and are noncombat ships so why would they need resists? You can't tell me belt rats are that threatening. For tanking ganks hopefully to the point that gankers move on to someone else obviously. Also like all the other ships in game they have trouble doing their job as a wreck. You know in six or so months from now when you're crying in a thread about crashing low ends I'm going to laugh so hard and point you to this thread. Too bad that will never happen. Are the minerals you mine free? Nothing is free |

Pipa Porto
570
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Posted - 2012.07.30 04:22:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote: Nothing is free
Except my love. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1497
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Posted - 2012.07.30 04:22:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:A Retriever is clearly on the same advancement level of a Vaga. 
perhaps not, but an exhumer is EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1497
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Posted - 2012.07.30 04:24:00 -
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MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:A long-needed buff to mining ships does not equate to the end of suicide ganks or risk in high sec for that matter. That you're having an emotional breakdown over this is really not justified at all.
"Long-needed"
The only change needed was to give mining ships the ability to fit a proper tank while sacrificing yield - and the Hulk was already more than capable of this, the Mackinaw to a lesser extent. Miners didn't want to make such difficult decisions like "should I lose my ship or make 5m more isk" EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |

Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
259
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Posted - 2012.07.30 04:28:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote: Nothing is free
Except my love. Correction: Nothing is free save the things that you aren't sure you want. |

Pipa Porto
570
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Posted - 2012.07.30 04:30:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote: Nothing is free
Except my love. Correction: Nothing is free save the things that you aren't sure you want.
Come here, my love! EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1744
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Posted - 2012.07.30 05:25:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:
"i've been playing for three months and i keep losing vagabonds why are they so weak"
A Retriever is clearly on the same advancement level of a Vaga.  "I've been playing for 3 months and I keep losing Stabbers why are they so weak." Actually, given the SP Reqs for a Retriever (14d), "I've been playing for 3 months and I keep losing Maelstroms(8d) why are they so weak."
Never came close to risk losing a stabber, but if you are low SP and go pee while you are in a Retriever you really risk coming back and find it popped by 3 NPC frigs. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1744
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Posted - 2012.07.30 05:27:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jypsie wrote:Reiisha wrote:Fun to see people whine who's motivation clearly is to only pvp when their targets cannot defend themselves :)
I doubt they can even see the joke in this. 96 pages of ganker tears. You've clearly read none of them, since there are actually no ganker tears to be found.
That's possibly a testament to this thread, it's almost on Tippia amounts of self implosed blinders-ness. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Pipa Porto
571
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Posted - 2012.07.30 05:28:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:
"i've been playing for three months and i keep losing vagabonds why are they so weak"
A Retriever is clearly on the same advancement level of a Vaga.  "I've been playing for 3 months and I keep losing Stabbers why are they so weak." Actually, given the SP Reqs for a Retriever (14d), "I've been playing for 3 months and I keep losing Maelstroms(8d) why are they so weak." Never came close to risk losing a stabber, but if you are low SP and go pee in a Retriever you really risk coming back and find it popped by 3 NPC frigs.
That's true of a Stabber in a Level 2 as well. (Level 2 would be the roughly equivalent income).
Right Click > Dock takes 2-4s. Can you not hold it that long? EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1744
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Posted - 2012.07.30 05:29:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:
Making something easier attracts more people to the profession which means more minerals will be being mined. More minerals being mined means more supply available which drives cost down. I never took an econ class and even I know that when somethings more common it generally gets cheaper.
... and how is this a bad thing? Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Pipa Porto
571
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Posted - 2012.07.30 05:30:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:La Nariz wrote:
Making something easier attracts more people to the profession which means more minerals will be being mined. More minerals being mined means more supply available which drives cost down. I never took an econ class and even I know that when somethings more common it generally gets cheaper.
... and how is this a bad thing?
It is for Miners. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |
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