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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1744
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Posted - 2012.07.30 05:32:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:A Retriever is clearly on the same advancement level of a Vaga.  perhaps not, but an exhumer is
Too bad you quoted a Retriever post about low SP characters and not an exhumer post, eh? Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1744
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Posted - 2012.07.30 05:34:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:
"i've been playing for three months and i keep losing vagabonds why are they so weak"
A Retriever is clearly on the same advancement level of a Vaga.  "I've been playing for 3 months and I keep losing Stabbers why are they so weak." Actually, given the SP Reqs for a Retriever (14d), "I've been playing for 3 months and I keep losing Maelstroms(8d) why are they so weak." Never came close to risk losing a stabber, but if you are low SP and go pee in a Retriever you really risk coming back and find it popped by 3 NPC frigs. That's true of a Stabber in a Level 2 as well. (Level 2 would be the roughly equivalent income). Right Click > Dock takes 2-4s. Can you not hold it that long?
I have done thousands of missions, what you say is simply a lie. L3 can do that, L2 won't kill any vaguely fitted stabber expecially if it's not sitting idle at the center of the spawns. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1744
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Posted - 2012.07.30 05:34:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:La Nariz wrote:
Making something easier attracts more people to the profession which means more minerals will be being mined. More minerals being mined means more supply available which drives cost down. I never took an econ class and even I know that when somethings more common it generally gets cheaper.
... and how is this a bad thing? It is for Miners.
And we should care... why? I don't see you caring for Samsung selling sell for much less than Apple prices, do you? Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
127
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Posted - 2012.07.30 05:36:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:It is for Miners.
More minerals in market = cheaper mineral prices = cheaper ships and modules = good for ganker.
No reason for you to whine here. |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
89
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Posted - 2012.07.30 05:38:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:La Nariz wrote:
Making something easier attracts more people to the profession which means more minerals will be being mined. More minerals being mined means more supply available which drives cost down. I never took an econ class and even I know that when somethings more common it generally gets cheaper.
... and how is this a bad thing?
Because what will happen is mining will become the worst profession again and then all the miners will throw forum tantrums again until CCP buffs mining again. I don't care if it becomes a terrible profession again, but I do care that CCP is giving in to stupid things like forum tantrums from people that basically want pvp removed from highsec. Goonwaffe is now recruiting feel free to message me in game for information about joining! |

Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
127
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Posted - 2012.07.30 05:41:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Because what will happen is mining will become the worst profession again and then all the miners will throw forum tantrums again until CCP buffs mining again. I don't care if it becomes a terrible profession again, but I do care that CCP is giving in to stupid things like forum tantrums from people that basically want pvp removed from highsec.
Cheaper minerals doesn't mean just cheaper Catalysts/Tornadoes. It also means cheaper supers. |

Pipa Porto
571
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Posted - 2012.07.30 05:47:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:It is for Miners. More minerals in market = cheaper mineral prices = cheaper ships and modules = good for ganker. No reason for you to whine here.
Yeah, and Bad for Miners.
I was for the Drone Poo nerf as well. Mining shouldn't be the worst profession in EVE by such a large margin. It should be halfway decent.
I just find it weird that Miners keep wanting their profession to be easier and don't seem to get that that ease that they're calling for will hurt their income. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Pipa Porto
571
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Posted - 2012.07.30 05:48:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:
That's true of a Stabber in a Level 2 as well. (Level 2 would be the roughly equivalent income).
Right Click > Dock takes 2-4s. Can you not hold it that long?
I have done thousands of missions, what you say is simply a lie. L3 can do that, L2 won't kill any vaguely fitted stabber expecially if it's not sitting idle at the center of the spawns.
If it's sitting AFK in the mission "because you had to go to the bathroom" it sure will die. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
584
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Posted - 2012.07.30 05:57:00 -
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And you vagabond........shalll.......die - emperor palpatine I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
452
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Posted - 2012.07.30 05:59:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:La Nariz wrote:Because what will happen is mining will become the worst profession again and then all the miners will throw forum tantrums again until CCP buffs mining again. I don't care if it becomes a terrible profession again, but I do care that CCP is giving in to stupid things like forum tantrums from people that basically want pvp removed from highsec. Cheaper minerals doesn't mean just cheaper Catalysts/Tornadoes. It also means cheaper supers. He knows this, and I'm pretty sure with most Goons and other CFC members like me, he's against further proliferation of supercaps. EVE's 4th of July Fireworks |

Knight Cabbage
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2012.07.30 06:00:00 -
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It seems like the goons and like-wise minded "PVP"-players are quite mad that CCP foiled their attempt to dictate the direction of the game by a little ship balancing.
Giving their gloating on the endless miner whine threads after the extension of the hulkageddon bounties, I find this quite amusing. |

Pipa Porto
571
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Posted - 2012.07.30 06:01:00 -
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Knight Cabbage wrote:It seems like the goons and like-wise minded "PVP"-players are quite mad that CCP foiled their attempt to dictate the direction of the game by a little ship balancing.
Giving their gloating on the endless miner whine treads after the extention of the hulkageddon bounties, I find this quite amusing.
The new Hulk's gonna top out at 22k EHP now. I think we'll get some delicious tears from the Mining Forum Warrior community once it goes live. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Octoven
Four Pillar Production Dragehund
3
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Posted - 2012.07.30 06:07:00 -
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Ganking for profit lets see how that works, you have one ship topped out at 120 mil taking down a ship valued at 280 mil. The gank pilot makes a profit the miner loses. It goes beyond that though right? The gank toon grabs another nado and repeats the process, meanwhile that miner that just got ganked is busy grinding to replace his ****. Ok, fine he got ganked, miners arent bitching that they are getting ganked, they are bitching because the gankers lose such a small amount compared to the miner himself.
Granted, this is eve and dark bullshit is everywhere. However, with changes to barges it will take at least 2 nados if not 3 to drop a barge. Even at 3 that puts ship cost at 270 mil for a 280 mil ship. Sounds like a fair deal to me. High sec isnt a pretty playland where you can comb each other's hair, you can STILL be ganked, its just going to cost you just as much as your costing the miner. If you want to be a pirate try your luck in low sec. In a logical sense, why is it so damn important to gank miners for profit? |

Herr Hammer Draken
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
54
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Posted - 2012.07.30 06:09:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:It is for Miners. More minerals in market = cheaper mineral prices = cheaper ships and modules = good for ganker. No reason for you to whine here. Yeah, and Bad for Miners. I was for the Drone Poo nerf as well. Mining shouldn't be the worst profession in EVE by such a large margin. It should be halfway decent. I just find it weird that Miners keep wanting their profession to be easier and don't seem to get that that ease that they're calling for will hurt their income.
And that would be intentional by design and themattic with the game. So your point is irrelevant except perhaps if it would hurt your own bottom line and that is the real reason for your post. Supply and demand issues are supposed to define the choices players make in game.
Only right now the control of those choices lies mostly with the gankers and not the miners themselves. Which is not themattic with the game design. |

Knight Cabbage
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2012.07.30 06:12:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Knight Cabbage wrote:It seems like the goons and like-wise minded "PVP"-players are quite mad that CCP foiled their attempt to dictate the direction of the game by a little ship balancing.
Giving their gloating on the endless miner whine treads after the extention of the hulkageddon bounties, I find this quite amusing. The new Hulk's gonna top out at 22k EHP now. I think we'll get some delicious tears from the Mining Forum Warrior community once it goes live.
Wouldn't bet on this one. Skiff and Mack cannot be ganked for profit and their yield don't look so bad. They address to main point miners complained about - that the "PVP"-players could dictate others their playstyle.
Anyways, these numbers aren't fixed yet, who knows what will make it into the game eventually. |

Asuka Solo
Stark Fujikawa Stark Enterprises
1576
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Posted - 2012.07.30 06:23:00 -
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Almost 100 pages of griefer tears.
Awesome. |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
452
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Posted - 2012.07.30 06:26:00 -
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Asuka Solo wrote:Almost 100 pages of griefer tears.
Awesome. Please point out an example of such tears. EVE's 4th of July Fireworks |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1744
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Posted - 2012.07.30 06:30:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:La Nariz wrote:
Making something easier attracts more people to the profession which means more minerals will be being mined. More minerals being mined means more supply available which drives cost down. I never took an econ class and even I know that when somethings more common it generally gets cheaper.
... and how is this a bad thing? Because what will happen is mining will become the worst profession again and then all the miners will throw forum tantrums again until CCP buffs mining again. I don't care if it becomes a terrible profession again, but I do care that CCP is giving in to stupid things like forum tantrums from people that basically want pvp removed from highsec.
Not to rain on your parade, but mining is still the worst profession...
Even worse than PI, I calculated I have made about 46.6M per hour with it. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1744
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Posted - 2012.07.30 06:32:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:
That's true of a Stabber in a Level 2 as well. (Level 2 would be the roughly equivalent income).
Right Click > Dock takes 2-4s. Can you not hold it that long?
I have done thousands of missions, what you say is simply a lie. L3 can do that, L2 won't kill any vaguely fitted stabber expecially if it's not sitting idle at the center of the spawns. If it's sitting AFK in the mission "because you had to go to the bathroom" it sure will die.
Nah. These days it's even hard to die in a L4, you really have to actively go out to something like Mordus Headhunters and then go AFK in the middle of the rats. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Marconus Orion
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
363
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Posted - 2012.07.30 07:05:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Asuka Solo wrote:Almost 100 pages of griefer tears.
Awesome. Please point out an example of such tears. You did read the OP yes? |

Pipa Porto
571
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Posted - 2012.07.30 07:07:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:
That's true of a Stabber in a Level 2 as well. (Level 2 would be the roughly equivalent income).
Right Click > Dock takes 2-4s. Can you not hold it that long?
I have done thousands of missions, what you say is simply a lie. L3 can do that, L2 won't kill any vaguely fitted stabber expecially if it's not sitting idle at the center of the spawns. If it's sitting AFK in the mission "because you had to go to the bathroom" it sure will die. Nah. These days it's even hard to die in a L4, you really have to actively go out to something like Mordus Headhunters and then go AFK in the middle of the rats.
Are we still talking Stabber, or have you wandered off into a different ship? EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1744
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Posted - 2012.07.30 07:16:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:
That's true of a Stabber in a Level 2 as well. (Level 2 would be the roughly equivalent income).
Right Click > Dock takes 2-4s. Can you not hold it that long?
I have done thousands of missions, what you say is simply a lie. L3 can do that, L2 won't kill any vaguely fitted stabber expecially if it's not sitting idle at the center of the spawns. If it's sitting AFK in the mission "because you had to go to the bathroom" it sure will die. Nah. These days it's even hard to die in a L4, you really have to actively go out to something like Mordus Headhunters and then go AFK in the middle of the rats. Are we still talking Stabber, or have you wandered off into a different ship?
I don't pretend I write good English but the analogy is pretty straigthforward. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
758
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Posted - 2012.07.30 07:20:00 -
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Octoven wrote:Ganking for profit lets see how that works, you have one ship topped out at 120 mil taking down a ship valued at 280 mil. The gank pilot makes a profit the miner loses. It goes beyond that though right? The gank toon grabs another nado and repeats the process, meanwhile that miner that just got ganked is busy grinding to replace his ****. Ok, fine he got ganked, miners arent bitching that they are getting ganked, they are bitching because the gankers lose such a small amount compared to the miner himself. Granted, this is eve and dark bullshit is everywhere. However, with changes to barges it will take at least 2 nados if not 3 to drop a barge. Even at 3 that puts ship cost at 270 mil for a 280 mil ship. Sounds like a fair deal to me. High sec isnt a pretty playland where you can comb each other's hair, you can STILL be ganked, its just going to cost you just as much as your costing the miner. If you want to be a pirate  try your luck in low sec. In a logical sense, why is it so damn important to gank miners for profit? A 50-dollar steel mallet destroys a $300,000 Ferrari. A 10-million-dollar torpedo boat destroys a billion-dollar cruise ship. A few tens of billions of dollars spent on developing a nuclear weapons program can wipe out a trillion-dollar nation.
It's much easier to destroy than to create. Establishing parity between the costs of production and destruction is exactly the thing that an open-ended game like EVE does not need. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |

baltec1
Bat Country
1732
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Posted - 2012.07.30 07:20:00 -
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Octoven wrote:Ganking for profit lets see how that works, you have one ship topped out at 120 mil taking down a ship valued at 280 mil. The gank pilot makes a profit the miner loses. It goes beyond that though right? The gank toon grabs another nado and repeats the process, meanwhile that miner that just got ganked is busy grinding to replace his ****. Ok, fine he got ganked, miners arent bitching that they are getting ganked, they are bitching because the gankers lose such a small amount compared to the miner himself. Granted, this is eve and dark bullshit is everywhere. However, with changes to barges it will take at least 2 nados if not 3 to drop a barge. Even at 3 that puts ship cost at 270 mil for a 280 mil ship. Sounds like a fair deal to me. High sec isnt a pretty playland where you can comb each other's hair, you can STILL be ganked, its just going to cost you just as much as your costing the miner. If you want to be a pirate  try your luck in low sec. In a logical sense, why is it so damn important to gank miners for profit?
120 mil spent on ganking a miner put you deep into loss to the tune of around 100 mil.
One of the reasons why its important is because this is the only risk a miner will ever face in high sec. |

La Nariz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
89
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Posted - 2012.07.30 07:21:00 -
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James Amril-Kesh wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:La Nariz wrote:Because what will happen is mining will become the worst profession again and then all the miners will throw forum tantrums again until CCP buffs mining again. I don't care if it becomes a terrible profession again, but I do care that CCP is giving in to stupid things like forum tantrums from people that basically want pvp removed from highsec. Cheaper minerals doesn't mean just cheaper Catalysts/Tornadoes. It also means cheaper supers. He knows this, and I'm pretty sure with most Goons and other CFC members like me, he's against further proliferation of supercaps.
Completely agree, EVE does not need more super caps. Goonwaffe is now recruiting feel free to message me in game for information about joining! |

Dave stark
Bombardier Inc
312
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Posted - 2012.07.30 07:25:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Octoven wrote:Ganking for profit lets see how that works, you have one ship topped out at 120 mil taking down a ship valued at 280 mil. The gank pilot makes a profit the miner loses. It goes beyond that though right? The gank toon grabs another nado and repeats the process, meanwhile that miner that just got ganked is busy grinding to replace his ****. Ok, fine he got ganked, miners arent bitching that they are getting ganked, they are bitching because the gankers lose such a small amount compared to the miner himself. Granted, this is eve and dark bullshit is everywhere. However, with changes to barges it will take at least 2 nados if not 3 to drop a barge. Even at 3 that puts ship cost at 270 mil for a 280 mil ship. Sounds like a fair deal to me. High sec isnt a pretty playland where you can comb each other's hair, you can STILL be ganked, its just going to cost you just as much as your costing the miner. If you want to be a pirate  try your luck in low sec. In a logical sense, why is it so damn important to gank miners for profit? A 50-dollar steel mallet destroys a $300,000 Ferrari. A 10-million-dollar torpedo boat destroys a billion-dollar cruise ship. A few tens of billions of dollars spent on developing a nuclear weapons program can wipe out a trillion-dollar nation. It's much easier to destroy than to create. Establishing parity between the costs of production and destruction is exactly the thing that an open-ended game like EVE does not need.
your analogies are wrong because neither of those things happen in 30 seconds. Reading my posts is like panning for gold; most it will be useless, but occasionally you'll find a nugget of gold. |

rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
585
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Posted - 2012.07.30 07:26:00 -
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Does anyone think, that if supers cost less, more would be out fighting. Or even with plummeting mineral costs, it would still cost to much to openly pvp or risk them? I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |

rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
585
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Posted - 2012.07.30 07:27:00 -
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Dave stark wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Octoven wrote:Ganking for profit lets see how that works, you have one ship topped out at 120 mil taking down a ship valued at 280 mil. The gank pilot makes a profit the miner loses. It goes beyond that though right? The gank toon grabs another nado and repeats the process, meanwhile that miner that just got ganked is busy grinding to replace his ****. Ok, fine he got ganked, miners arent bitching that they are getting ganked, they are bitching because the gankers lose such a small amount compared to the miner himself. Granted, this is eve and dark bullshit is everywhere. However, with changes to barges it will take at least 2 nados if not 3 to drop a barge. Even at 3 that puts ship cost at 270 mil for a 280 mil ship. Sounds like a fair deal to me. High sec isnt a pretty playland where you can comb each other's hair, you can STILL be ganked, its just going to cost you just as much as your costing the miner. If you want to be a pirate  try your luck in low sec. In a logical sense, why is it so damn important to gank miners for profit? A 50-dollar steel mallet destroys a $300,000 Ferrari. A 10-million-dollar torpedo boat destroys a billion-dollar cruise ship. A few tens of billions of dollars spent on developing a nuclear weapons program can wipe out a trillion-dollar nation. It's much easier to destroy than to create. Establishing parity between the costs of production and destruction is exactly the thing that an open-ended game like EVE does not need. your analogies are wrong because neither of those things happen in 30 seconds.
What about pregnancy. A child can cost hundred of thousands of dollars, and all it took was $5 dollars of beer. I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |

Suvari Khashour
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2012.07.30 07:30:00 -
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This is going to be freaking hillarious, i can't wait for the next 'hulkageddon'
we'll have to have a killboard just for miners, with prizes to the miner with the most confirmed kills
suicide ganking will become suicide spanking...
seriously, im thinking of trading in my Hulk for a Skiff, just so i can go mine ore in the closest belt to Jita..  |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1744
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Posted - 2012.07.30 07:31:00 -
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rodyas wrote:
What about pregnancy. A child can cost hundred of thousands of dollars, and all it took was $5 dollars of beer.
New mechanic: suicide bang. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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