That was me trying to help Rodyas refine his method of avoiding Suicide Ganks. Good job with the reading.

The sad part?
All this hard work we did, separating the idiots from the clever miners is going right out the window. Some of them were actually learning to make their Exhumers gank-resistant and raking in record ISK.

But now?
All those hard choices? Gone.

Now its 'gee, how much EHP can I squeeze out of this Max-Yield fit?

Balancing Yield with Cargo and EHP? Nope, too hard for miners.
CCP says: we are sick of listening to your whines when you gamble and lose, so we are making those decisions for you.

So CCP makes all miners 'winners' - and crush your income into the mud, as they balance around the lowest common denominator, and AFK mining, 50K EHP Mackinaws flood the zone.

So round up a couple more guys and kill them some more....damn man if you spent any time at all thinking of ways to adapt to the changes instead of all of your time whining about them you would see that you're still going to be able to kill the ones who don't bother tanking easily enough.
And give me a break "all the hard work we did"
Dude... suicide ganking untanked afk miners and bots is just about the furthest you can get from hard work. Adapt or quit, I prefer you quit. Not gonna ask for your stuff though...all your tears have soaked into everything you own and ruined them.

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Balancing Yield with Cargo and EHP? Nope, too hard for miners.
CCP says: we are sick of listening to your whines when you gamble and lose, so we are making those decisions for you.

[...]

Let me pose a Hypothetical for you OP:

What is your future in Eve if CCP removed all ORE faction vessels from the game?

^^That^^ is the real problem here.

If I may say so myself, I think my sig. pretty much covers it.

I don't think CCP did it because people whined...otherwise griefers would be getting everything they want and then some since its all they do. They are rebalancing ALL ship classes...it was simply the barges turn. When a combat ship gets buffed next and people think its over powered....you all will have nothing to say other then "deal with it"

Balancing Yield with Cargo and EHP? Nope, too hard for miners.
CCP says: we are sick of listening to your whines when you gamble and lose, so we are making those decisions for you.

Attempting to keep this thread alive single-handedly?
Face it, you simply want easy mode ganking noobs, and your bent over the fact that you can't have that anymore....
Go learn to fight real ships, it's much more entertaining.

Now if the buffed ship is somehow able to now go about ganking ~profitably~. Like, you know, the Catalyst buff. Maybe some Amarr BC will become the top ganking ship (with lazerzzzz)

Oh that's a pity.

Now people won't be cargohold expanding their hulk, but they can still try to cram in the MLUs and use the rig slots for overclocks, right?

I don't think CCP did it because people whined...otherwise griefers would be getting everything they want and then some since its all they do. They are rebalancing ALL ship classes...it was simply the barges turn. When a combat ship gets buffed next and people think its over powered....you all will have nothing to say other then "deal with it"

[...] Maybe some Amarr BC will become the top ganking ship (with lazerzzzz)

Then they can whine.


Or, you know, ~certain blobbers~ might make fleets of the ship and soon the world degenerates into blobs of ~that one ship~.

Personally, I'm quite happy with them... can't wait 'till Wednesday.^^

In case you didn't know Amarr ships are only good for showing off (statue shooting and such).

In case you didn't know some of the tank setups require ACR rig.

And now you are being griefed. Or have been griefed for the last 3.5 years. I don't know why you are complaining, escpecially since the EULA allows you "griefers" to be griefed.

escpecially since the EULA allows you "griefers" to be griefed.

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The sad part?
All this hard work we did, separating the idiots from the clever miners is going right out the window. Some of them were actually learning to make their Exhumers gank-resistant and raking in record ISK.

But now?
All those hard choices? Gone.

Now its 'gee, how much EHP can I squeeze out of this Max-Yield fit?

Balancing Yield with Cargo and EHP? Nope, too hard for miners.
CCP says: we are sick of listening to your whines when you gamble and lose, so we are making those decisions for you.

So CCP makes all miners 'winners' - and crush your income into the mud, as they balance around the lowest common denominator, and AFK mining, 50K EHP Mackinaws flood the zone.

The entire basis for your argument seems to be that they shouldn't be designing mining in high security around the brainless people.

My question is: Why is this a problem?

What brainless people?

The only brainless people I have seen in this thread are the ones that think there is some amount of tank one can put on a ship to block any amount of alpha, even though Titans are not even that powerful.

Except that I'm not complaining that I'm being griefed.

I have never once been griefed in this game, nor have I done so to anyone else, nor would I.

Guess what?

Neither have you, unless you can prove that someone is following/harassing you on an extended basis solely for malicious enjoyment, or if an experienced player tried to can-/wreck-bait you in a starter system when you were new.

These are griefing as CCP defines it, and can get a person banned.

What is so hard about this?

The "less-savoury" aspects of EVE play-styles are not griefing, and never were.

Kindly take your other-MMO-informed preconceptions, and put them somewhere far away from this one, please, EVE =/= WoW and clones, nor will it ever.

Next!

Oh it does seem like we have a vocabulary problem. How smart of you to see it and call it out.

Hm, will be hard to say it now. Lets see, I was equating griefing to ganking, so CCP ganking you when they ignored you and not buffed you at all.

So in a way CCP has been ganking you for 3.5 years. Just how hard it sounded, made me think of griefing, but in the legal sense it is not. So welcome to CCP ignoring you for the next 3.5 years, since that is the EULA at work. (and they are not griefing you)

Nope.

So?

Why Amarr ships were only seen in comedy setups in ATX matches?
Every time I see Amarr ship used in large fleets they are shooting their own drones and use 8 different crystals or they are shooting structures (mostly statues).



"Fitting mods and rigs are very bad idea!"

Except that ganking isn't griefing.

CCP defines what griefing is, and they have never said "suicide ganking = griefing," in fact just the opposite somewhere, IIRC.

And no, CCP isn't "griefing" us the way you put it, because we will adapt, after some grumbling. That's what proper MMOG sandbox players do. Because, you know, EVE Is Hard (TM), and that's what makes it good.

Except that you lot have just had an easy-button handed to you, which I thought CCP was dealing with (ref.: Blap-Titans nerf, logoff-under-aggro mechanics)?

Something you lot utterly refuse to do, unless you count this now year-plus old Whinge-Baby Jihad(TM) as "adapting." (Hint: It's not.)

As for the gankers?

Bring Kinetics. Lots of it!

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Oh, much longer than that, 3.5 years-plus is just my time in EVE.

Long before my time --so grandma tells me, anyway-- you could tank, fight, and destroy CONCORD, although I think that they'd finish you eventually, and escape them through a BLOPs portal (as you can BLOPs bridge from hisec just fine, just not into it.) before CCP hard-coded that out.

It sounds to me like you would have really had something to whinge about then, bru.

Hellcats

AHAX

Maels...



Ishtars and armor Lokis...

have been taking nerf after nerf after nerf in just my 3.5 years playing, with no sign of let-up anytime soon, with no corresponding buffs.

*cough* crucible changes *cough*
Destroyers had their ROF penalty removed, hybrids got something of a buff and tier 3's came out so your saying that didn't happen? :)