I don't think anyone is that stupid.

Tank fits are to deter gankers by increasing the cost of said gank.

Ugh, this thread is just a whole load of Derp.

Mineral Prices in High Sec =/= Prices in Null Sec.

Ganking =/= profit killing

Not to mention people who AFK mined before will AFK mine after this. Bots botted before this and will after.

And the sky will be blue, grass will grow, and life will go on.

Aside from your multiple factual errors, you are missing the point.

Ganking was a method - the only method - of punishing players for botting and AFKing in highsec.
This threat - the ONLY threat - miners faced is now getting a major nerf.

Result, bots and AFKers with have it easier than ever.
Some (rich) gankers may continue, but many cannot afford to throw away hundreds of millions for a single popped barge.
And almost nobody ganks targets if it costs more in hulls to kill than the target is worth.

As it is, ice botters just shrug and buy a new Mack. Now they won't even have to do that. And seeing as how Screegs has gone back into hibernation....there will be no way to combat them outside of the petition process.

Aside from your multiple factual errors, you are missing the point.

Ganking was a method - the only method - of punishing players for botting and AFKing in highsec.
This threat - the ONLY threat - miners faced is now getting a major nerf.

Result, bots and AFKers with have it easier than ever.
Some (rich) gankers may continue, but many cannot afford to throw away hundreds of millions for a single popped barge.
And almost nobody ganks targets if it costs more in hulls to kill than the target is worth.

As it is, ice botters just shrug and buy a new Mack. Now they won't even have to do that. And seeing as how Screegs has gone back into hibernation....there will be no way to combat them outside of the petition process.

Ugh, this thread is just a whole load of Derp.

Mineral Prices in High Sec =/= Prices in Null Sec.

Ganking =/= profit killing

Not to mention people who AFK mined before will AFK mine after this. Bots botted before this and will after.

Your not actually punishing them, because if they went AFK then they understand there is the risk of loosing there ship and they will be able to replace it, and botters are not actually people so they won't feel punished by a loss. Both parties will just get another hulk.

Unless your worried that the Hulk market will become glutted due to lack of demand, that's legit I guess.

Funny that you also said my post was full of errors because you didn't point a single one.

Thread is a whole load of Derp is a matter of opinion.

Mineral prices in highsec vs nulsec: pretty obvious point.

Ganking <> profit killing: Ganking is generally done for profit - in fact, that is the motive for most of them.
Ganking miners often is/was profitable as well, though profit in the strictest sense (salvage worth more than expenses) isn't always necessary, as long as the target is losing more than you.

And even a casual reading of this thread reveals that many, many miners expect to be able to AFK mine.
They expect to be able to mine without fitting a tank, either. VV posted page after page arguing this.

And botters are actually people. People who are willing to cheat for a profit, whether its hardcore RMT or just casual subsidizing other activities while doing other things.

And yes, we will see a glut of Hulks because I think the 50K EHP AFK-Mackinaw will be the wave of the future. Ganks will be fairly far and few between when gankers realize 2-3 Tornados or a gang of 5+ Catalysts in 0.7-0.8 space is just not cost/time effective for bothering with a 280M ISK ship, AFK or otherwise.

If you think this thread is any indicator of what Miners through out this game will do, you are very deluded.

If you think this thread is any indicator of what Miners through out this game will do, you are very deluded.

The Bat Country Killboard is an indicator of how many Hulk pilots don't bother to fit a tank while AFK.

My experience has been that I can usually warp to a Hulk, have ~2-3 Cats slowboat into perfect range, target, then countdown so we fire at the same time, all with no reaction whatsoever from the untanked Hulk pilot. (and then sometimes even kill the Pod as well) I assume that means they're AFK.

why is the OP still allowed to post his junk
It is obvious he is not capable of anything beyond griefing others with battleclinic fits and then dare to call it PVP

He is the kind of people that is killing this game , not the profesional ganker not the lowsec pirates not the nullsec pvper nor the carebear
People like him who only thoughts of the day is to ruin somebody else his or her playing experience by demanding that it his divine right to do so and his alone

He called us pigs , i call him a egocentric arrogant selfish noob who is unable to learn something more complex than blowing up things that can't shoot back

CCP he is not the majority of your subscribers far from they are a minority only a very small minority but a loud one don't listen to them if it was up to them ythis game would be only a arcade game with only one playstyle and that is to shoot others when they can't shoot back

Good pods?

I am tired of going AFK and someone pods me.

Buff pods. Tiericide them and give us different options, as well as more fitting options. I am tired of going AFK and someone pods me.

Its entirely the fault that single play pods bring. Only one option, and only one option to fly them. By actually looking at the screen and clicking buttons. I need one with armor/bigger fluid hold to support my body, from the heavy duress AFK puts me in.

Would AFKing in a shuttle help? What do I have to AFK in before I get respect?

why is the OP still allowed to post his junk
It is obvious he is not capable of anything beyond griefing others with battleclinic fits and then dare to call it PVP

Oh, I don't know about that. Last time I posted about 'griefing' CCP had to emergency patch the game and buff Concord again.

why is the OP still allowed to post his junk

CCP he is not the majority of your subscribers far from

My my, that sounds like a powerful weapon.

Don't use it for evil.

Why wouldn't he be?

GǪso tell me, what is the majority of the subscribers, according to you?

Carebears, and afk miners, as well as poor people, who wanted technetium. As well as a bunch of people to stupid to use a badly designed feature as well as the feature being equally dumb. Blind leading the blind.

funny that this game lasted 9 years with an environment where you could be mercilessly murdered in the "safe" area

There is no such thing as enuff dakka.

funny that this game lasted 9 years with an environment where you could be mercilessly murdered in the "safe" area