Not many people played it though. Games like this usually have less players as a trade off.

They don't sell time cards at major stores though, Same with star wars galaxies (And I meant, before they shut that down). They don't even run commercials, like a large entity would.

In a small tank, yes EVE looks big, but in a normal tank, its kind of small.

Not many people played it though. Games like this usually have less players as a trade off.

I mostly joined EVE, cause the devs promised, constant change and content for the game. (Two expansions a year). Sounded sweet. I know alot of other players joined EVE for the pirating, but like I said it is hard. You can go that route, but it usually gets smaller.

Well true, I usually thought each development company offered something different or was unique. But WoW was huge, so even with being unique you would grow jealous of it.

Well I mostly see it as investment. If you invest more, you last longer. Games for the masses, don't invest much, but invest in a fun ways. So it can die fast becuase of it.

I mostly joined EVE, cause the devs promised, constant change and content for the game. (Two expansions a year). Sounded sweet.

Well true, I usually thought each development company offered something different or was unique. But WoW was huge, so even with being unique you would grow jealous of it.

Well I mostly see it as investment. If you invest more, you last longer. Games for the masses, don't invest much, but invest in a fun ways. So it can die fast becuase of it.

I mostly joined EVE, cause the devs promised, constant change and content for the game. (Two expansions a year). Sounded sweet. I know alot of other players joined EVE for the pirating, but like I said it is hard. You can go that route, but it usually gets smaller.

One time a company named Sony Online Entertainment thought that changing a game called "Star Wars Galaxies" to reduce the amount of grinding and reduce the complexity of the game would bring in "the masses."

They shut their servers down four years later.

If anything EVE is the opposite of Star Wars galaxies in a way. Star Wars, had an incredible grind and time sink, for a very worthwhile character. EVE has the kind of similiar grind and time sink, (the titan) but alot of people don't see it as cool as a jedi or sith, when they get there. But perhaps some do think it is as sweet as a jedi, who knows.

Change isn't the problem. The problem is that all the change is going towards making PvP Opt-In, which is contrary to the fundamental idea of the game.

The difference is that EVE has outlived SWG. There's a difference between introducing new content (i.e. new tools, not new "theme park rides") and changing the game entirely, even in one "part" of the game. "Don't fly what you can't afford to lose" should apparently only apply outside of hisec?

Only in highsec, that is... as it should be. CCP couldn't predict that the players would go and "change the rules" they put up...

EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for.

I'm also against the lack of danger and the awful boring times when you are just chugging along and nothing threatens you.

All of it occured in the same framework of unrestricted player movement and limitless player choice in a single, shared game universe. As our senior producer put it 'f*cking brilliant'.

No, nowhere in EVE has ever had Opt-In PVP (well, besides SISI). Being entirely safe from PvP anywhere is anathema to EVE's core principles. "Don't Fly What you can't afford to lose."

Only in highsec, that is... as it should be. CCP couldn't predict that the players would go and "change the rules" they put up...

Well I don't really have alot of ISK to see it the way you do. I mostly see it as this. Null sec is hard, and with players dealing with how hard it is, they get new ships and modules. Now does hi-sec deserve to get these new things, to easily, after other people only got them after hard work. Like tech, that stuff is hard to get, so you wouldn't want hi sec, to get it so easily. I don't see it as, hi sec would make more money then we would if they had it. Like it tech, started to be easier to get and to have, then I might not mind that it was open to hi sec. But like I said, it would have to be really easy for null sec to have it, before I would want it in hi sec.

Agreed... but all I can say is: HS always was more or less save... for years. That changed only after Burn Jita and Hulkageddon.

What was CCP supposed to say? "We never intended that to happen and we will do everything to never let that happen again in the future?" That would have been a PR shotgunblast to the head... so to speak.^^

If you pay attention, and youGÇÖve got your wits about you, you can avoid people coming in and ganking, a survival of the fittest kind of thing, and people are now able to actually make a much better living from mining because of things like Hulkageddon and Burn Jita, because minerals are more expensive.

Agreed... but all I can say is: HS always was more or less save... for years. That changed only after Burn Jita and Hulkageddon.

The only reason HS was safe was because ganking wasn't a fad until recently. Now it's a fad and people noticed that it's an entertaining way to pass the time between roams/fleets.

Moon mining shouldn't be introduced to hisec simply because towers are virtually immune there.

Yea... it's an entartaining way to drive non-invantile players, that actually wanna persue other goals in the game then mindless ganking, away... I'm sure CCP was all for that.

Don't believe everything your read...

CCP's rebalancing and tinkering with HS mechanics should be a pretty good indication that not everything that happened was working as intended.

Ah, so now you're gonna start with the name calling. Good to know that anyone involved with a suicide gank, or able to deal with the fact that flying in HS comes with some risk (risk that can easily be mitigated) is "invantile."

It's not name calling, it's an observation: Trashing a playmates toy out of anger or just to make the other one misrable is what children do... they know they get scolded for it... and they'll most likely get a toy of their own taken away from then as punishment... but they do it anyways...

It's not name calling, it's an observation: Trashing a playmates toy out of anger or just to make the other one misrable is what children do... they know they get scolded for it... and they'll most likely get a toy of their own taken away from then as punishment... but they do it anyways...

"let me tell you the mindset of people who play this PvP-centric game differently than I do"

Ah well, "it's a PvP-centric game* is a nice excuse for everything I guess...

It's not so much an excuse as a simple fact.