Life is PvP-centric.

Relevance?

I don't wanna get all sociological now, so let's say... everything one does on the internet reflects back on the persons personality.

Gawd, you ARE persistent, are you!?^^

Ok: In the real world, there are those that do stuff and those that help them do stuff... arguably, the latter ones, though they are in the majority, carry less responsibility for their actions. This is all well and good, until the "helpers" start to abuse the power given to them by the "doers"... usually that ends in relvolution OR, if that's not possible, outside intervention.

Notice any similarity to the current state of EVE?

Nope. That's like saying everyone who plays Chess is Regicidal.

Notice any similarity to the current state of EVE?

Seriously, I have no earthly idea what you're on about.

As I said... I don't wanna go into a sociological discussion.

You're misguided if you think hisec was ever intended to be "opt-in" only for PvP.

Personally I believe ganking in high sec for profit should be a hard find. Its essentially looking for an idiot in a super shiny ship
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14210105
For example or now that the exhumer change is about to occur people who fly hulks in hi sec. Lets face it if they are still flying a hulk, they are still looking for Maximum yield so therefore will probably have little or no tank, so will still be easy kills.

But I personally do not want to see high sec ganking removed completely from hi-sec, because lets face it, some people just really need to die. It has always been a good way to get in kills on people who war dec you or that you have war deced.

Personally I believe ganking in high sec for profit should be a hard find. Its essentially looking for an idiot in a super shiny ship
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14210105
For example or now that the exhumer change is about to occur people who fly hulks in hi sec. Lets face it if they are still flying a hulk, they are still looking for Maximum yield so therefore will probably have little or no tank, so will still be easy kills.

But I personally do not want to see high sec ganking removed completely from hi-sec, because lets face it, some people just really need to die. It has always been a good way to get in kills on people who war dec you or that you have war deced.

*smirks* You know, most semi-professional chess players I know (a good friend of mine was in a club) are analy retentive guys... and VERY bad loosers.

I don't think that a Hulk should be a "profitable" gank target unless it's fit in an expensive way (i.e. with expensive named MLUs) so let's just get that out of the way. I also don't believe that a ship should be given a free "idiot tank" because the pilots are generally so complacent that they AFK mine in max yield fits that can only permatank hisec belt rats.

When I say profitable I should balance that by saying exactly that a couple of million for a ganker nothing major but still a profit. This due to the cost of T2 strip miners, crystals and MLU's vs the fact there will still be lots that will ahve little tank other than the ships built in ehp.

Personally I like the fact that miner have to choose between tank, storage and yield. It gives the skiff a real role now and while I think the mack is a bit much on what it got, the hulk is about right.

They already had that choice. It was all in the Hulk's fittings. Now CCP's giving them the fittings for free, along with a Cargo Hulk equivalent that can tank enough to be unprofitable to gank.

They already had that choice. It was all in the Hulk's fittings. Now CCP's giving them the fittings for free, along with a Cargo Hulk equivalent that can tank enough to be unprofitable to gank.

GǪnot to mention that they're also reducing the value of ganks by reducing the value of what can drop GÇö a Mack full of Veldspar is carrying 7M ISK worth of loot that the ganker(s) simply can never get.

But are they Regicidal? (Regicide is the act of killing a Monarch).

You compared an in game action to smashing someone's RL toy (when I'd say it's most equivalent to capturing a piece in Chess). You have not provided any evidence to show that your comparison is valid.

Yes but at least with the mackinaw they are at least having to sacrifice some yield compared to the hulk and the base hulk only has 8713 ehp.

The Mack has a functionally identical yield to the Cargo Hulk (especially when you take warping out for dropoffs into account). With enough Tank to be unprofitable to gank.

I know the meaning, of course they aren't... the reason to play chess isn't to kill a king, but to win a tactical competition.



Ok then:

Capturing a Chess Piece: In Game Action -> Causes In Game Harm to other Player... in a predifined invironment, where both parties are aware of all the rules AND, more importantly, have the same mindset towards the game.

Suicide Ganking a Hulk: In Game Action -> Causes In Game Harm to other Player... without all the above... atleast as far as the ganker knows or cares.

The chess comparison is abit lacking, though, 'cause nobody playes chess because the peices are so pretty or whatever... your play to win a tactical competition... atleast I think so.^^ In EVE, there are many reasons why people play, and not all of them are combat... but suicide gankers don't care for that... they have the power (cause the Goons schowed them, mind you) so they use it...

Why would any one mine solo in a hulk now it only holds one cycle worth of ore so if you included warping out to drop off loot the mack would mine double the hulk and probably more.

Does loot from ore holds not drop? Sorry I have never heard that before.

Capturing a Chess Piece: In Game Action -> Causes In Game Harm to other Player... in a predifined invironment, where both parties are aware of all the rules AND, more importantly, have the same mindset towards the game.

Suicide Ganking a Hulk: In Game Action -> Causes In Game Harm to other Player... without all the above... atleast as far as the ganker knows or cares.

Two errors. No, the mindset isn't necessarily the same for both parties in chess, and no, the ganking has the exact same qualifiers as chess: it's a pre-defined environment where both parties are aware of the rules.

And that it the big misconception all gankers have... as an example: I was gone from the game for quite some time (years) and didn't hear much about Burn Jita, Hulkageddon, Goonswarm, etc. Back then, when I played regulary, mining highsec (my choosen profession) was relatively save... aside from the odd rats and stuff.

You can imagine my surpize when I resubbed and found that no longer true. Yes, you may argue now that that's my problem... the game has changed and I have to adapt or go... well, not as simple. See, the game hasn't changed, much (the change is only coming now, gradually) the players have... and I am allowed to have a problem with that... no?

And that it the big misconception all gankers have... as an example: I was gone from the game for quite some time (years) and didn't hear much about Burn Jita, Hulkageddon, Goonswarm, etc. Back then, when I played regulary, mining highsec (my choosen profession) was relatively save... aside from the odd rats and stuff.

You can imagine my surpize when I resubbed and found that no longer true.

See, the game hasn't changed, much (the change is only coming now, gradually) the players have... and I am allowed to have a problem with that... no?

Ganking has been around as long as EVE has. Look up m0o and Zombies (aka the Yulai Incident). Just because it wasn't particularly popular when you were active doesn't mean there's a problem with the game mechanics now.

I'm not talking about ganking, I'm talking about suicide ganking people in highsec... I mean, seriously, the fact that it's SUIDICE is a dead give away that it's not intended to be used on a regular basis, let alone as a means to make profit!