It still doesn't mean CCP even predicted it would happen like it did.

It still doesn't mean CCP even predicted it would happen like it did...

But we are talking in circles, let's agree that we don't agree.^^

If CCP didnt want it happening then they would have stopped it when they buffed concord back when M0o was camping the trade routes. The fact that they didn't and applaud it when it happens is evidence enough that it is a viable part of the game.

Yet if you read the CSM minuits iirc CCP soundswave said ganking was never intended to be profitable....

Yet if you read the CSM minuits iirc CCP soundswave said ganking was never intended to be profitable....

Ok, I give up... EVE's PvP combat is SUPPOSED to be one sided and cheap... got it.

Said the spider to the fly.

Ok, I give up... EVE's PvP combat is SUPPOSED to be one sided and cheap... got it.

Ok, I give up... EVE's PvP combat is SUPPOSED to be one sided and cheap... got it.

"why does it only take one catalyst to gank my untanked expanded badger containing my life's worth eve is so unfair!!!"

Ok, I give up... EVE's PvP combat is SUPPOSED to be one sided and cheap... got it.

It was a tanked Badger II running a Dist mission... I got gate camped and never found it unfair, cause it was in 0.4... but whatever let's you sleep at night.

Whats that got to do with some fool transporting hundreds of millions in an untanked badger?

You don't recall correctly.

That won't happen as long as I'm around, btw.

Suicide ganking wasn't designed to be profitable, it's meant to be an option that let's you punish someone else at your expense. The money you paid for a ship to gank with compared to the money lost by your target was completely off and this change should bring that to a better spot. That said, the numbers can still be adjusted.

Whats that got to do with some fool transporting hundreds of millions in an untanked badger?

Not sayin'... just sayin'...

GǪand the source of that quote isGǪ [drumroll]

Actually, it's post #48 in this thread.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1698538#post1698538

Actually, it's post #48 in this thread.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1698538#post1698538

Because he has never been wrong or used the wrong words to say something before...

Great! Then this is settled!

Yes it is. That quote is not from the CSM Minutes. Settled.

Phew! Glad I didn't lose that one!!

I think it's pretty obvious that the "Ganking isn't meant to be profitable" statement is meant to cover your average case with common sense fits involved.

Now if a ganker takes the time to scan carefully and single out the multitude of players that sink way too much isk into way to fragile ships that is a completely different story. Bad fits and bad decisions are the bread and butter of the suicide ganker, as it should be.

Low sec gate camps are not intended on the average to be hilariously profitable either, however nothing stops the occasional freighter pilot screw up. That does not mean that CCP intends that the errant freighter pilot cannot or should not die, just that under "normal" circumstances it is not the normal profit situation for the gate camp.

Suicide gankers should absolutely be able to make a profit at their chosen profession, but (as is CCP's intention) to be profitable they need to take the time to find the ones that Darwin has selected for extinction... not just gain profit from every potential victim that crosses their path.

And that's true of the current Hulk. Ganking Hulks is unprofitable unless the Hulk pilot fails to tank their ship (the 0 MLU brick is a counter to the "gankers have infinite time and alts, so they'll bring Meta Catalysts". A much weaker tank will dissuade the vast majority of ganks in a .5 system.). In higher sec bands, Hulk pilots can tank their ship sturdily enough to be unprofitable and still fit MLUs. What more do you want?

Just because a lot of miners put themselves in the position of the Dodo (credulous and trusting of the sailors, leading to easy hunting and extinction) doesn't mean there's a problem

And that's true of the current Hulk. Ganking Hulks is unprofitable unless the Hulk pilot fails to tank their ship (the 0 MLU brick is a counter to the "gankers have infinite time and alts, so they'll bring Meta Catalysts". A much weaker tank will dissuade the vast majority of ganks in a .5 system.). In higher sec bands, Hulk pilots can tank their ship sturdily enough to be unprofitable and still fit MLUs. What more do you want?

Just because a lot of miners put themselves in the position of the Dodo (credulous and trusting of the sailors, leading to easy hunting and extinction) doesn't mean there's a problem

And that's true of the current Hulk. Ganking Hulks is unprofitable unless the Hulk pilot fails to tank their ship (the 0 MLU brick is a counter to the "gankers have infinite time and alts, so they'll bring Meta Catalysts". A much weaker tank will dissuade the vast majority of ganks in a .5 system.). In higher sec bands, Hulk pilots can tank their ship sturdily enough to be unprofitable and still fit MLUs. What more do you want?

Just because a lot of miners put themselves in the position of the Dodo (credulous and trusting of the sailors, leading to easy hunting and extinction) doesn't mean there's a problem