even after the dev told you, you still cling to your narrow minded perspective. There are other potential uses for cargo scanners besides just suicide ganks. I guess it takes a greater mind than yours to realize it.

they prob eventually came realize that suicide ganking involves zero risk, zero skill and only hurts the game to the benefit of low-life trash who dedicate countless hours to the goal of annoying others, probably out of their own frustrations in life. Why would CCP continue to enable a minority of d-bags when the majority of their income comes from people who just like spaceships? It doesn't make sense.

Yea, I admit I'm being contrarian mostly to be a jerk. That said, I really wish you all would stop pretending you're doing nothing "wrong" - it's not the victim's fault. Whether or not what you did is a crime is not my debate, my debate is the fact that the miner didn't grab your hand, push the gun to his head, and pull your trigger.

Well, lets step back a minute and take stock:

You're a goon. Most of us would probably defend kicking puppies just to contradict you. Hide your corporation/alliance on the forum or post with an alt, if you want to have a rational discussion. I'm sorry, but that's the way things work. You all earned that reputation.

please keep up these uncreative comparisons of ganking to real-life murder

they are absolutely hilarious

The person wouldnt be ganked if it wasnt worth it. It all ends with the victims choice, be it putting too much wealth in a poorly tanked ship or jumping blind into a bubble camp. It was the victim who put the cogs in motion.

they prob eventually came realize that suicide ganking involves zero risk, zero skill and only hurts the game to the benefit of low-life trash who dedicate countless hours to the goal of annoying others, probably out of their own frustrations in life. Why would CCP continue to enable a minority of d-bags when the majority of their income comes from people who just like spaceships? It doesn't make sense. Greifers are trash people and I'm glad CCP is finally taking away their easymode.

Yea, I admit I'm being contrarian mostly to be a jerk. That said, I really wish you all would stop pretending you're doing nothing "wrong" - it's not the victim's fault. Whether or not what you did is a crime is not my debate, my debate is the fact that the miner didn't grab your hand, push the gun to his head, and pull your trigger.

they prob eventually came realize that suicide ganking involves zero risk, zero skill and only hurts the game to the benefit of low-life trash who dedicate countless hours to the goal of annoying others, probably out of their own frustrations in life. Why would CCP continue to enable a minority of d-bags when the majority of their income comes from people who just like spaceships? It doesn't make sense. Greifers are trash people and I'm glad CCP is finally taking away their easymode.

Firstly there is nothing "wrong" with destroying another pilot's ship so long as you don't use an exploit to do it.

Secondly, you can be at fault without being responsible. You can be at fault without something being your fault. Its not your fault your hulk exploded but you were at fault for not tanking it or watching local or aligning.

Fine. Replace guns with creme pies if you want. Then there's no crime, real or imagined, but you're still putting someone's face into the pie.

Belt Rats?

suicide ganking involves 0% risk, takes no skill, makes casual players quit, and benefits lowlife scared of real PvP gankers who dedicate hours to making a fortune in isk Why would CCP throw out the trash instead of letting it fester and stink up the place?

I've done both of the things you mentioned, and in each case thought to myself, "In hindsight, that was pretty dumb." But it doesn't change the fact that a friendly group of HIC's and nano pests in one instance and a mael (pre gank insurance nerf) were more than happy to make themselves available to teach me those lessons.

I ganked your thoughts, how you like it?

I ganked your thoughts, how you like it?

please don't say anything regarding "risk" when you're explicitly saying that the only risk left in hisec should be eliminated

I find it somewhat amusing that people are getting all butthurt over the fact that a bunch of ships are getting a bit of a much needed tank upgrade rather than having a tank made of CardboardiumGäó Alloy and there T2 Counterparts being made of of TinFoiliumGäó enhanced CardboardiumGäó Alloy

and hey let's turn the tables a bit here

suicide gankers have allegedly enjoyed "risk-free" PvP for years, and crimewatch will allow their looting alts to be shot at by anyone, with neutral RR that they can't shoot

why should the "vigilantes" enjoy risk-free PvP?

I'd also hate my player base for all the moronic assumptions.

I never said suicide ganking should be eliminated. I just don't think it should be profitable. Its amazing how so many think catering to d-bags is somehow sustainable in what is supposed to be a sandbox game. You want to see a game population where the wolves outnumber the sheep and no safety zones? Take a look at Darkfall.

I never said suicide ganking should be eliminated. I just don't think it should be profitable

How bout this? Vigilantes should be CONCORD-exempt. Free to shoot you, but free to be shot at.

Seems it would be a win for all? But I'm not thinking too deeply about it, second-order consequences and beyond... shrug.

See, I can be reasonable Richard :)

How bout this? Vigilantes should be CONCORD-exempt. Free to shoot you, but free to be shot at.

Seems it would be a win for all? But I'm not thinking too deeply about it, second-order consequences and beyond... shrug.

See, I can be reasonable Richard :)

You got the Insurance Nerf.
You got the Suddenly CONCORD fix to aggro kiting.
You got the wardec changes that Dramatically favor the defenders.
You got the proposed Crimewatch changes that make it essentially impossible to loot the cargo of a ganked Freighter.
You got the proposed Crimewatch changes that were originally going to allow RR with CONCORD protection.

It all paints a picture, no matter what your stated objectives are.

Hulks can be fit such that they are not profitable to gank right now. The others need roles to fill, but if one ship's going to have the role of Tankey Miner, why are they all getting buffs that take away from that role bonus?

To fit the roles, the Skiff should have a great Tank, a middling Yield, and a smallish Cargo.
The Mackinaw should have a small Tank, a middling Yield, and a Great Cargo.
The Hulk should have a small Tank, a Great Yield, and a smallish Cargo.

You're giving the Skiff an insane Tank, a middling Yield, and a very good Cargo.
The Mackinaw a great Tank, a middling Yield, and a Great Cargo.
The Hulk a great Tank, a Great Yield, and a smallish Cargo.

When the Mack can have ~60k EHP, why bother with the Skiff?
When the Hulk can have ~45k EHP, why bother with the Skiff?

35k EHP is already unprofitable to Gank. The Extra 10k will remove Exhumer ganking entirely.


Oh, and the other 2 Exhumers with max MLUs should be able to out-mine a 0 MLU Hulk. Otherwise people are going to keep using the Hulk and tanking it (probably badly).

I never said suicide ganking should be eliminated. Like soundwave, I LOVE that it is possible. I just don't think it should be profitable, easy, and with such a predictable result. This game is easy enough for griefers as it is. Its amazing how so many think catering to d-bags is somehow sustainable in what is supposed to be a sandbox game. You want to see a game population where the wolves outnumber the sheep and no safety zones? Take a look at Darkfall.