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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2011.03.09 16:08:00 -
[91]
Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Tippia
Quote: Did you check if your name is not on this list? I think I saw it somewhere on it. I am wrong though.
Fix'd.
There.
Look. If you know something is wrong, why post it?
Correcting someone's obvious (and probably deliberate) errors is not the same as trolling. Deliberately posting something that is wrong, on the other handà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki |
Drykor
Minmatar Aperture Harmonics K162
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Posted - 2011.03.09 16:09:00 -
[92]
Originally by: Whitehound Edited by: Whitehound on 09/03/2011 15:46:44
Originally by: Furb Killer @Whitehound, so now the issue is not RMT but the issue is that people complain about cheating? Really? You got issues.
I wrote what the issue is. It is bad press.
EVE is going to drown in self-righteous and self-proclaimed e-sheriffs one day. Look at you, you are already acting like some German pompous brick of 1939.
All players on that list, no matter if the list is wrong or right, will get harassed over the next weeks. You will fall over each other like a medieval mob over witches.
Miners get bumped around between the asteroids with MWD-driven battleships every day already. Hulkageddon 1-4 aims at whoever could theoretically be a bot or macro. Now this list with names?!
EVE is a dark place, but it is going to be as dark as Europe was in 1939-45.
Wow, so people are gonna get hassled? Really? That's worse than all this RMT'ing going on? Makes you wonder you have an alt in that list somewhere huh.
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Nina Mercedez
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Posted - 2011.03.09 16:09:00 -
[93]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Whitehound What makes this worse is that these players will not get killed for lulz, but because you think they are cheaters, that they deserve it and that it is right and justified!
His point is that if they get killed, it's right and justified regardless.
Quote: Did you check if your name is not on this list? I think I saw it somewhere on it. I could be am wrong though.
Fix'd Fixed.
Fixed.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.09 16:14:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Christos Hendez http://cogdev.net/blink/?act=profile&id=423666580
Value of Blinks Won 1,004,588,000,150 ISK
Icarantus $6,675.27
heh, discuss.
Wow, that's even more pathetic. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Zhim'Fufu
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Posted - 2011.03.09 16:16:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Zhim'Fufu I thought I had died and gone to rpg heaven when the first gold box dnd games came out for the c64. Oh the glorious adventures my trusty party of six daring adventurers had plus you could let your friends play by passing the controller. No more dice rolls and charts and overbearing gm's! \o/
*waxes nostalgic*
Pff. Wasteland > all, especially some silly D&D.
Yes there were many wonderful rpg games besides dnd. I just used it as an example as it was one of the first computer based translations that was better than the pnp equivalent. Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Janis Ezra Edited by: Janis Ezra on 09/03/2011 15:24:35
Originally by: Callum545 in case you all missed it
KiaDuplex 2995.94Ç KiaDuplex 1877.66Ç
I hate people like this Please CCP do something
Icarantus has the highscore! I mailed him this link. He said its not true and he wrote a petition
Cheater in denying guilt non-shocker.
Well not saying he is innocent but all we really have for proof is some fansite with heavy bias posting a list that anyone could makeup. And even if its an actual db crack nothing stopping some hated rivals to be included on the list just to get back at them. Given the highly political nature of the game that could be damaging enough to get a person kicked and put on permanent kos even without ccp lifting a finger about it.
Wheels within wheels within wheels.
Originally by: Response to bitter carebear tears in local [19:44:46] CCP Incognito > sorry i can't talk about game mechanics. you need to use your brains and figure it out.
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Kale Kold
V i r u s Pendulum of Doom
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Posted - 2011.03.09 16:17:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Malcanis So a bunch of cheaters (with maybe a few innocents) are going to get hassled in EVE?
How do you know they are cheaters? Because EveNews24 tells you?
I smell another iskbank customer with something to hide! lol!
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.03.09 16:17:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Drykor Wow, so people are gonna get hassled? Really? That's worse than all this RMT'ing going on? Makes you wonder you have an alt in that list somewhere huh.
What is your problem with all this RMT'ing then? Are you jelous that you are not making even close the sums of ISKs they do? Are you such a loser that you have to become some internet hero? Or is it because you have no goals in EVE that you can only think of making yourself CCP's deputy? Show me where the cheaters have touched you ...
I hope the worse that comes out of this anonymous list from somewhere is that CCP gives these players a warning. If it leads to a massive ban then someone will come up with a forgery if it is not already one.
Then, when it is too late and you name is on that list when it should not be and you get banned, will you think differently. Until then are you only clueless. --
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Corozan Aspinall
Perkone
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Posted - 2011.03.09 16:19:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Kale Kold
Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Malcanis So a bunch of cheaters (with maybe a few innocents) are going to get hassled in EVE?
How do you know they are cheaters? Because EveNews24 tells you?
I smell another iskbank customer with something to hide! lol!
Hehe back under your bridge! But seriously, leak a list of paedophiles or ultra-nationalist party membership etc. What better way to discredit people. |
Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.03.09 16:20:00 -
[99]
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 09/03/2011 16:21:03
Assuming the information can be verified, every player on that list needs to be permabanned. |
Janos Saal
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Posted - 2011.03.09 16:22:00 -
[100]
God damn I love drama. |
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Nina Mercedez
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Posted - 2011.03.09 16:23:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 09/03/2011 16:21:03
Assuming the information can be verified, every player on that list needs to be permabanned.
Or at least get a 3-day ban from the forums. |
Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.03.09 16:36:00 -
[102]
Edited by: Whitehound on 09/03/2011 16:36:31
Originally by: Nina Mercedez
Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 09/03/2011 16:21:03
Assuming the information can be verified, every player on that list needs to be permabanned.
Or at least get a 3-day ban from the forums.
I would not mind a permanent ban if it is true. You only cannot prove it. Until CCP can look into the bank accounts and get an authentic list of money transfers from a trusted bank, not some shack in a 3rd world country with a sign "Bank" on its roof for instance, are all these dollar sums behind the names meaningless. They could all be just $0. --
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Malcanis
Caldari Alcohlics Anonymous Scum Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.09 16:43:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Whitehound Edited by: Whitehound on 09/03/2011 16:18:49
Originally by: Drykor Wow, so people are gonna get hassled? Really? That's worse than all this RMT'ing going on? Makes you wonder you have an alt in that list somewhere huh.
What is your problem with all this RMT'ing then? Are you jealous that you are not making even close the sums of ISKs they do? Are you such a loser that you have to become some internet hero? Or is it because you have no goals in EVE that you can only think of making yourself CCP's deputy? Show me where the cheaters have touched you ...
I hope the worse that comes out of this anonymous list from somewhere is that CCP gives these players a warning. If it leads to a massive ban then someone will come up with a forgery if it is not already one.
Then, when it is too late and your name is on that list when it should not be and you get banned, will you think differently. Until then are you only clueless.
I think he doth protest too much...
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.09 16:46:00 -
[104]
Originally by: Whitehound Edited by: Whitehound on 09/03/2011 16:36:31
Originally by: Nina Mercedez
Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 09/03/2011 16:21:03
Assuming the information can be verified, every player on that list needs to be permabanned.
Or at least get a 3-day ban from the forums.
I would not mind a permanent ban if it is true. You only cannot prove it. Until CCP can look into the bank accounts and get an authentic list of money transfers from a trusted bank, not some shack in a 3rd world country with a sign "Bank" on its roof for instance, are all these dollar sums behind the names meaningless. They could all be just $0.
They don't need any r/l bank interaction. They can do all the investigation required within their own database. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Malcanis
Caldari Alcohlics Anonymous Scum Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.09 16:47:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Zhim'Fufu
Originally by: Tippia
Originally by: Zhim'Fufu I thought I had died and gone to rpg heaven when the first gold box dnd games came out for the c64. Oh the glorious adventures my trusty party of six daring adventurers had plus you could let your friends play by passing the controller. No more dice rolls and charts and overbearing gm's! \o/
*waxes nostalgic*
Pff. Wasteland > all, especially some silly D&D.
Yes there were many wonderful rpg games besides dnd. I just used it as an example as it was one of the first computer based translations that was better than the pnp equivalent. Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Janis Ezra Edited by: Janis Ezra on 09/03/2011 15:24:35
Originally by: Callum545 in case you all missed it
KiaDuplex 2995.94Ç KiaDuplex 1877.66Ç
I hate people like this Please CCP do something
Icarantus has the highscore! I mailed him this link. He said its not true and he wrote a petition
Cheater in denying guilt non-shocker.
Well not saying he is innocent but all we really have for proof is some fansite with heavy bias posting a list that anyone could makeup. And even if its an actual db crack nothing stopping some hated rivals to be included on the list just to get back at them. Given the highly political nature of the game that could be damaging enough to get a person kicked and put on permanent kos even without ccp lifting a finger about it.
Wheels within wheels within wheels.
No-one's saying that anyone should be banned on the unsupported word of EveNews-24. However, the origin of this list, combined with the other information they gathered and presented to CCP would seem to make a good starting point for investigation.
If and when this occurs, it may well be that friend Icarantus has a few multi-billion ISK transfers from disposable ISK-mules to explain to the GMs.
If the GMs find said explainations unconvincing, then I presume you would agree that he should be appropriately penalised.
If Icarantus wants to take pre-emptive action to clear his name, then the well-known option of posting his full API is of course always open to him
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Oriele Aldent
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Posted - 2011.03.09 16:49:00 -
[106]
Originally by: Whitehound Edited by: Whitehound on 09/03/2011 16:36:31
Originally by: Nina Mercedez
Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 09/03/2011 16:21:03
Assuming the information can be verified, every player on that list needs to be permabanned.
Or at least get a 3-day ban from the forums.
I would not mind a permanent ban if it is true. You only cannot prove it. Until CCP can look into the bank accounts and get an authentic list of money transfers from a trusted bank, not some shack in a 3rd world country with a sign "Bank" on its roof for instance, are all these dollar sums behind the names meaningless. They could all be just $0.
But considering that the full list has items purchased and dates, it's possible to check whether said accounts received the items. IMHO that should be proof enough for CCP. They don't really need to follow any official procedures, fair trial or any of that. They own any content on EVE and if this list is proof enough for them, they could easily act on it.
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Othran
Brutor Tribe
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Posted - 2011.03.09 16:50:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Malcanis I think he doth protest too much...
I think he's worried about what's coming next
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.03.09 16:52:00 -
[108]
Originally by: Malcanis I think he doth protest too much...
I happen to like EVE, and I neither like people who buy ISKs for real money nor do I like forum trolls who post only crap. --
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Nina Mercedez
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Posted - 2011.03.09 16:54:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Whitehound Edited by: Whitehound on 09/03/2011 16:36:31
Originally by: Nina Mercedez
Originally by: Rodj Blake Edited by: Rodj Blake on 09/03/2011 16:21:03
Assuming the information can be verified, every player on that list needs to be permabanned.
Or at least get a 3-day ban from the forums.
I would not mind a permanent ban if it is true. You only cannot prove it. Until CCP can look into the bank accounts and get an authentic list of money transfers from a trusted bank, not some shack in a 3rd world country with a sign "Bank" on its roof for instance, are all these dollar sums behind the names meaningless. They could all be just $0.
They don't need any r/l bank interaction. They can do all the investigation required within their own database.
One would imagine this is the case. If the char that received the money from the isk site is the char named in that list, surely they can look that char up. Presumably people think they are wise to delete the char, but maybe a paper-trail remains. Identify the final recipient, and give them a 24 hour ban for being bad little boys.
There, everyone's a winner.
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Zhim'Fufu
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Posted - 2011.03.09 16:56:00 -
[110]
Originally by: Malcanis No-one's saying that anyone should be banned on the unsupported word of EveNews-24. However, the origin of this list, combined with the other information they gathered and presented to CCP would seem to make a good starting point for investigation.
If and when this occurs, it may well be that friend Icarantus has a few multi-billion ISK transfers from disposable ISK-mules to explain to the GMs.
If the GMs find said explainations unconvincing, then I presume you would agree that he should be appropriately penalised.
If Icarantus wants to take pre-emptive action to clear his name, then the well-known option of posting his full API is of course always open to him
Yes because he has nothing to hide he should feel perfectly fine to invite a full public scrutiny of his personal records. Since you also have nothing to hide why don't you post yours? So let ccp investigate and if he is guilty they will either ban him or nuke his wallet. Both of those effectively screw him over without going for the raging mob option.
Hrmmm, I swear I am hearing the sound of jackboots from somewhere.
Originally by: Response to bitter carebear tears in local [19:44:46] CCP Incognito > sorry i can't talk about game mechanics. you need to use your brains and figure it out.
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WIlly Fisterbottom
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Posted - 2011.03.09 16:56:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Malcanis I think he doth protest too much...
Indeed. This sounds like a job for fully insured battleships in maximum alpha configuration.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2011.03.09 16:56:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Wyke Mossari What I find surprising is the scale of the operation. A turn over of hundred of thousands of dollars a month by one operation is actually pretty staggering and is about about 100 times bigger than I ever suspected.
25k a month, actually, give or take. _
Make ISK||Build||React||1k papercuts _
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.09 16:56:00 -
[113]
/popcorn - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.03.09 17:01:00 -
[114]
Originally by: Oriele Aldent But considering that the full list has items purchased and dates, it's possible to check whether said accounts received the items. IMHO that should be proof enough for CCP. They don't really need to follow any official procedures, fair trial or any of that. They own any content on EVE and if this list is proof enough for them, they could easily act on it.
But how do you know that these items were actually bought with real money?
For example: you run an alliance with your own forum. One day you are all upset about the failure of your alliance, blame all your members for it and now seek payback. So you take everyone's e-mail address and IP address from the forum software. Then you give away stuff for free or just check your transaction logs or whatever ... and create a list with player names, IP addresses and replace the ISK amounts with real money amounts.
How could you tell the difference?
The truth is that you are missing the final piece of the puzzle - the bank transactions - that make this a real money transfer. So until you have this proof there is no real money involved. --
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Joe Skellington
Minmatar JOKAS Industries Matari Legion
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Posted - 2011.03.09 17:01:00 -
[115]
LOL, nice work, now following evenews24 on twitter.
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Malcanis
Caldari Alcohlics Anonymous Scum Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.09 17:04:00 -
[116]
Originally by: Zhim'Fufu
Originally by: Malcanis No-one's saying that anyone should be banned on the unsupported word of EveNews-24. However, the origin of this list, combined with the other information they gathered and presented to CCP would seem to make a good starting point for investigation.
If and when this occurs, it may well be that friend Icarantus has a few multi-billion ISK transfers from disposable ISK-mules to explain to the GMs.
If the GMs find said explainations unconvincing, then I presume you would agree that he should be appropriately penalised.
If Icarantus wants to take pre-emptive action to clear his name, then the well-known option of posting his full API is of course always open to him
Yes because he has nothing to hide he should feel perfectly fine to invite a full public scrutiny of his personal records. Since you also have nothing to hide why don't you post yours? So let ccp investigate and if he is guilty they will either ban him or nuke his wallet. Both of those effectively screw him over without going for the raging mob option.
Hrmmm, I swear I am hearing the sound of jackboots from somewhere.
I said the option was open to you, sorry, I mean him, not that he was required to.
And seriously, did you just godwin this thread about MMO RMTing?
I tell you what, I'll make you a deal;
If he posts his full API in this thread and keeps that API active for 24 hours after he posts it, then I'll post mine for both my accounts.
Alternatively, we can both supply them to a mutually agreed trusted third party for RMT audit. But I'd prefer the public option, keeping things nice and transparent.
You can ask anyone in this game who knows me - I don't scam, I don't cheat, and I always keep my word.
How's that for a deal?
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Nina Mercedez
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Posted - 2011.03.09 17:04:00 -
[117]
Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Oriele Aldent But considering that the full list has items purchased and dates, it's possible to check whether said accounts received the items. IMHO that should be proof enough for CCP. They don't really need to follow any official procedures, fair trial or any of that. They own any content on EVE and if this list is proof enough for them, they could easily act on it.
But how do you know that these items were actually bought with real money?
For example: you run an alliance with your own forum. One day you are all upset about the failure of your alliance, blame all your members for it and now seek payback. So you take everyone's e-mail address and IP address from the forum software. Then you give away stuff for free or just check your transaction logs or whatever ... and create a list with player names, IP addresses and replace the ISK amounts with real money amounts.
How could you tell the difference?
The truth is that you are missing the final piece of the puzzle - the bank transactions - that make this a real money transfer. So until you have this proof there is no real money involved.
So you're saying that the bans due to RMT to this point have had no basis? Presumably CCP never had bank records for those bans, either.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.09 17:10:00 -
[118]
Edited by: Barakkus on 09/03/2011 17:11:11
Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Oriele Aldent But considering that the full list has items purchased and dates, it's possible to check whether said accounts received the items. IMHO that should be proof enough for CCP. They don't really need to follow any official procedures, fair trial or any of that. They own any content on EVE and if this list is proof enough for them, they could easily act on it.
But how do you know that these items were actually bought with real money?
For example: you run an alliance with your own forum. One day you are all upset about the failure of your alliance, blame all your members for it and now seek payback. So you take everyone's e-mail address and IP address from the forum software. Then you give away stuff for free or just check your transaction logs or whatever ... and create a list with player names, IP addresses and replace the ISK amounts with real money amounts.
How could you tell the difference?
The truth is that you are missing the final piece of the puzzle - the bank transactions - that make this a real money transfer. So until you have this proof there is no real money involved.
You don't work for CCP or any other MMO company I'm guessing. All of the MMOs out there that do not allow RMT have methods of tracking transactions back to the source and can tell if it's RMT or not. You'd be surprised how much data they keep. For instance in EQ2, I did a server transfer and lost some house items. A GM came on and went through their logs all the way back to when I created the character and tracked down every item's source and where it "ended up". It turned out the items in question hadn't been picked up or moved since some server mergers a year or two prior and ended up with "no owner" so they got deleted during the transfer. The GM was able to successfully replace every item that ended up getting deleted during the server transfer.
Don't be so naive. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Loki Nahat
Skyforger Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2011.03.09 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
How could you tell the difference?
The truth is that you are missing the final piece of the puzzle - the bank transactions
Uh, what?
Your Characters (and therefore CCP) have records of ISK transactions. Those, plus the new leaked documents, are all you need to do to correlate the two... and implicate char/accounts.
Surely.
It's not exactly the pogrom Whitehound fears, it's bloody logic.
Or am I missing something?
Loki
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Ingvar Angst
Amarr Omni Industrial Coalition
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Posted - 2011.03.09 17:11:00 -
[120]
Originally by: Janis Ezra Edited by: Janis Ezra on 09/03/2011 15:24:35
Originally by: Callum545 in case you all missed it
KiaDuplex 2995.94Ç KiaDuplex 1877.66Ç
I hate people like this Please CCP do something
Icarantus has the highscore! I mailed him this link. He said its not true and he wrote a petition
Translation... he soiled himself, panicked and is now worrying about losing his account.
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