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dexington
Caldari Baconoration
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Posted - 2011.03.10 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: dexington
Originally by: Barakkus It was during TBC actually. Silithus (I think is the name of the zone, the one with all the bugs underground) is good income if you take herbalism and mining.
1500g/hr using mining and herbalism farming level 60 content in tbc, you are clearly talking out your ass, please stop now no need to make yourself look like a bigger fool.
Only fool here is you going on about having to spend money on gold lol.
When WoTLK came out I was loaning money to my guild mates for mounts. You must have been on a ****ty server, Onyxia's economy treated me well.
After your pathetic attempt at sounding like a pro wow gold farmer, which left you looking so very clueless, do you really think any thing you could say would have any effect?
I'm sure your guild needed tons of gold for the new wotlk mounts :)
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.03.10 02:07:00 -
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Originally by: Obsidian Hawk With this thread and the responses from it I would give it a week before we really hear something about this.
FanFest is 24-26 March, just sayin'. -- A vote for NC candidates is a vote for RMT [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel] |
Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.10 02:07:00 -
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Edited by: Barakkus on 10/03/2011 02:08:33
Originally by: dexington
Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: dexington
Originally by: Barakkus It was during TBC actually. Silithus (I think is the name of the zone, the one with all the bugs underground) is good income if you take herbalism and mining.
1500g/hr using mining and herbalism farming level 60 content in tbc, you are clearly talking out your ass, please stop now no need to make yourself look like a bigger fool.
Only fool here is you going on about having to spend money on gold lol.
When WoTLK came out I was loaning money to my guild mates for mounts. You must have been on a ****ty server, Onyxia's economy treated me well.
After your pathetic attempt at sounding like a pro wow gold farmer, which left you looking so very clueless, do you really think any thing you could say would have any effect?
I'm sure your guild needed tons of gold for the new wotlk mounts :)
Wow, u mad. That's hilarious.
And I have to reiterate, you're pathetic for buying gold. |
dexington
Caldari Baconoration
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Posted - 2011.03.10 02:21:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus Wow, u mad. That's hilarious. And I have to reiterate, you're pathetic for buying gold.
lol.. yeah i've never been so mad in all my life, your clever insults and transparent lies about your wow gold farming skills got me oh so mad. Keep posting the trivial insults and foolish comments about your pro wow skills, and i'll go into hulk smash nerd rage mode. |
Ann Tsukamoto
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Posted - 2011.03.10 02:23:00 -
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Originally by: Obsidian Hawk Well CCP is in a bind, people want them to comment, and say something but as with all investigations on accusations as these which are very serious, you dont open your mouth until, the investigation is completed and provide a definitive explanation.
Then with a fit of unholy rage they will ban them all in one fell swoop.
THE POSTS in this thread maybe the needle CCP has been looking for so they can put an end to a majority of RMT / botting in eve.
To be honest, I can't disagree with you, but for every Unholy Rage which is well publicised and well recieved, there's an Arzi with its 100+ 24/7 haulers or a Motsu with its cardboard-copy 5 man corps that quietly disappear every now and again.
If CCP was a little more forthcoming with the amount that were banned, warned or deterred from botting or RMTing, you'd see a lot less of these threads. |
MidnightReign
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Posted - 2011.03.10 02:28:00 -
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Edited by: MidnightReign on 10/03/2011 02:31:51
Originally by: Barakkus Edited by: Barakkus on 10/03/2011 02:08:33
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This is not WOW, you are both pathetic. dexington is the winner of the argument b/c he actually has points that don't rely on perceived morality.
All arguments in this thread are a result of game designers not being good enough to make their online games FUN so they must integrate WORK into their GAMES so people will keep playing for more crack-er grind-er currency-er I mean leveling. Also CCP is running a shell game. They allow (realistically they can't change this due to practicality) bots and sell PLEX, bots purchase PLEX, drive PLEX price up, net CCP more money.
It's just a complicated way for them to run their own RL money printing press without the people whom they are taking the money from being any-the-wiser.
This would be fine but they don't/can't/won't put the money back into Eve such as "hiring another Dev" such as some idiots who do not know how the world works have suggested, and it ends up impacting what should be the actual game for the worse on several different levels.
Edited for broken quotes and words
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.10 02:43:00 -
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Originally by: MidnightReign
This is not WOW, you are both pathetic. dexington is the winner of the argument b/c he actually has points that don't rely on perceived morality.
Actually didn't make a single point, other than the fact that he is willing to participate in RMT because of his inability to play a video game the way it was intended to be played. Cheater, is a cheater is a cheater. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2011.03.10 02:46:00 -
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If I were the source of the leak, I might be tempted to seed some false information in there, just to see how much credence CCP puts into external data when determining punishment for RMT.
- If only the real RMTers get banned, then that implies that they may use external data to initiate an investigation, but they don't rely on it.
- If even the red herrings get banned, then that implies CCP does not do a proper verification using actual game logs.
- If nobody (or only a few) get banned, that implies that even when pointed in the right direction, there are ways of laundering ISK that CCP cannot substantiate. |
MidnightReign
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Posted - 2011.03.10 02:52:00 -
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His point was that many people are too busy in their lives and want to enjoy the ENJOYABLE parts of the games without having to do the GRIND in the games ("grind" does not equal "work" in all cases).
I personally do not blame him as I think that it's stupid to make griding a necessity. There is a difference between work and grind. Someone who has no RL obligations has an innate advantage, which PLEX/RMT (same thing for the point we are arguing) equalizes.
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Remus Andromedus
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Posted - 2011.03.10 02:58:00 -
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Originally by: MidnightReign His point was that many people are too busy in their lives and want to enjoy the ENJOYABLE parts of the games without having to do the GRIND in the games ("grind" does not equal "work" in all cases).
I personally do not blame him as I think that it's stupid to make griding a necessity. There is a difference between work and grind. Someone who has no RL obligations has an innate advantage, which PLEX/RMT (same thing for the point we are arguing) equalizes.
Troll is as a troll does.
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MidnightReign
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Posted - 2011.03.10 03:00:00 -
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Originally by: Remus Andromedus
Originally by: MidnightReign His point was that many people are too busy in their lives and want to enjoy the ENJOYABLE parts of the games without having to do the GRIND in the games ("grind" does not equal "work" in all cases).
I personally do not blame him as I think that it's stupid to make griding a necessity. There is a difference between work and grind. Someone who has no RL obligations has an innate advantage, which PLEX/RMT (same thing for the point we are arguing) equalizes.
Troll is as a troll does.
I don't understand what you are saying? CCP is Troll as well since they sell PLEX? Huh?
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Killitt
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Posted - 2011.03.10 03:03:00 -
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We could add them to friends list, and just grief the hell out of them.
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Christos Hendez
Warhamsters Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.03.10 03:09:00 -
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Everyone politely ignored that someones used SOMER Blink to launder over 6000$ (1 TRILLION) worth of isk? :D ----- Russian | English | French
AAA Diplomat WAR.H |
Elzon1
Caldari Shadow Boys Corp White Angels.
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Posted - 2011.03.10 03:16:00 -
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Originally by: GM Grimmi We are aware of the evenews24 situation and the leaked list being discussed here. At this time we cannot comment on the information in focus but we would like to use this opportunity to remind everyone that buying ISK for real money is a violation of our EULA and anyone doing so risks getting the ISK removed and punitive action against their accounts, including possible permanent bans.
While we would like to be more transparent about the methods and tools we use to fight RMT, botting and such in EVE we must maintain a level of secrecy in order to conduct successful operations. A presentation is scheduled at FanFest later this month where these matters will be discussed in some detail.
Well, if it has to be secret to be successful... then you had better implement it BEFORE someone talks about it
If you don't you run two risks:
1. A bot programmer figures out counters to the program before it is implemented
2. Someone buys information/files off of a developer in order to counter the implementation
Amiright?
Oh yeah, after banning all bots continuously (they try to come back) wouldn't you have more hackers to deal with? I don't know where, I don't know when... but something awful is going to happen xD |
Nadarius Chrome
Celestial Horizon Corp.
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Posted - 2011.03.10 03:42:00 -
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Originally by: Christos Hendez Everyone politely ignored that someones used SOMER Blink to launder over 6000$ (1 TRILLION) worth of isk? :D
I doubt that that in any way actually laundered it. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Gallente Sigma Special Tactics Group Fleet Coordination Coalition
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Posted - 2011.03.10 03:45:00 -
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Wow what kind of loser trades real money for fake game money?
It's enough to pay to play and then go and spend more money for what, pixels?
At the least it's probably where most of the tears come from when they get their $$ ships popped.
If this is not dealt with, then it will feel like CCP no longer cares about this game any more and the reason to be here loses what entertainment value to derive from it.
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MidnightReign
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Posted - 2011.03.10 04:10:00 -
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Wow what kind of loser trades real money for fake game money?
It's enough to pay to play and then go and spend more money for what, pixels?
At the least it's probably where most of the tears come from when they get their $$ ships popped.
If this is not dealt with, then it will feel like CCP no longer cares about this game any more and the reason to be here loses what entertainment value to derive from it.
CCP never cared (at least since I've been here, 2006) about this as anything more than something to make money with. If you look at the management and design decisions they have made over the past years, you too will see this. I think they did used to care though based on reading and stuff, so that's something.
I don't understand how people can get so upset about this subject when CCP condones it (PLEX and RMT are the same thing when considered from an in-game perspective)
I believe being able to purchase in game assets using out of game resources is wrong period (gameplay). However, due to human nature and the inability/unwillingness of developers to make fun games not needing sociology-major inspired addictive grinding elements, this is going to be a fact of life forever.
Because of many of things that go on in/involving Eve, too many to list, if anyone is still here because they believe the game world has integrity of any sort, well, I've got a bridge I'd love to get off my hands...
Do I have a point? Probably not. I think I'm just butthurt because of humanity at this point =-/
PS. ISK has a true market value. This is determined by what people will pay for it. CCP sell their PLEX way over the TMV. Unauthorized ISK resellers sell for the actual TMV . They are both doing the same thing, except CCP has legitimized the practice by creating PLEX, and tries to make their property worth more than it actually is by price setting. If CCP sold isk at the same rate as RMTers, there would be no issue. If there were no plex, there would also probably be fewer bots as real money would need to flow from farmers to CCP.
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dexington
Caldari Baconoration
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Posted - 2011.03.10 04:16:00 -
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Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer Wow what kind of loser trades real money for fake game money?
The kind of loser that buys the plexs that enable the rest of us to play for free, they are nice people.
Originally by: Herzog Wolfhammer It's enough to pay to play and then go and spend more money for what, pixels? At the least it's probably where most of the tears come from when they get their $$ ships popped.
I make like 40$ pr hour which i guess would buy around 1B isk, it would take +10 hours to make the isk in game. I can guarantee i would would shed alot less tears everytime i lost a 500-1000M ship if i only had spend 1 hour getting the isk.
If money is not you biggest problem you really don't care if it cost 10 or 100$ a month to play the game.
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Jada Maroo
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Posted - 2011.03.10 04:22:00 -
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Originally by: Killitt We could add them to friends list, and just grief the hell out of them.
That assumes that all the names are legit and that the hacker didn't sprinkle in a few people he or she didn't like along the way. I don't think that happened, but it's sort of like the PL forum leak. The mirror probably doesn't contain any manufactured posts, but it easily could have. The reliability of the source matters, and the information can't be guaranteed in either incident.
The only ones who should be taking action are CCP. Now if they don't... then we have to start questioning how legitimate Eve is as a game.
What they really need to do is investigate, punish, and announce the results of it afterward. If anyone on the list was falsely accused, if a name was injected into a mix of guilty parties, then that player needs to be cleared.
If they're all guilty - ban the hell out of them, for life.
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Aeronwen Carys
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Posted - 2011.03.10 04:39:00 -
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Originally by: MidnightReign His point was that many people are too busy in their lives and want to enjoy the ENJOYABLE parts of the games without having to do the GRIND in the games ("grind" does not equal "work" in all cases).
I personally do not blame him as I think that it's stupid to make griding a necessity. There is a difference between work and grind. Someone who has no RL obligations has an innate advantage, which PLEX/RMT (same thing for the point we are arguing) equalizes.
So you support RMT then? Thats always good to know. Oh and because it is clear you are a moron, PLEX and RMT are not the same. The real world cost of a PLEX goes to CCP, the ISK and items that RMT'ers sell lines their own pockets with money. The fact you don't understand that worries me. You don't plan on breeding do you?
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MidnightReign
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Posted - 2011.03.10 04:51:00 -
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Originally by: Aeronwen Carys
Originally by: MidnightReign His point was that many people are too busy in their lives and want to enjoy the ENJOYABLE parts of the games without having to do the GRIND in the games ("grind" does not equal "work" in all cases).
I personally do not blame him as I think that it's stupid to make griding a necessity. There is a difference between work and grind. Someone who has no RL obligations has an innate advantage, which PLEX/RMT (same thing for the point we are arguing) equalizes.
So you support RMT then? Thats always good to know. Oh and because it is clear you are a moron, PLEX and RMT are not the same. The real world cost of a PLEX goes to CCP, the ISK and items that RMT'ers sell lines their own pockets with money. The fact you don't understand that worries me. You don't plan on breeding do you?
Try some reading comprehension
PS-Apologies if english is not your first laguage or you are just very bad at it.
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Aeronwen Carys
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Posted - 2011.03.10 05:03:00 -
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Originally by: MidnightReign
CCP never cared (at least since I've been here, 2006) about this as anything more than something to make money with. If you look at the management and design decisions they have made over the past years, you too will see this. I think they did used to care though based on reading and stuff, so that's something.
I don't understand how people can get so upset about this subject when CCP condones it (PLEX and RMT are the same thing when considered from an in-game perspective)
I believe being able to purchase in game assets using out of game resources is wrong period (gameplay). However, due to human nature and the inability/unwillingness of developers to make fun games not needing sociology-major inspired addictive grinding elements, this is going to be a fact of life forever.
This is, quite frankly, a pathetic excuse for allowing it to continue. Throwing your hands in the air and saying "woe is me, tis inevitable that I should lose" is not the way to deal with this situation.
Originally by: MidnightReign
Do I have a point? Probably not.
First correct thing you have said so far.
Originally by: MidnightReign
PS. ISK has a true market value. This is determined by what people will pay for it. CCP sell their PLEX way over the TMV. Unauthorized ISK resellers sell for the actual TMV . They are both doing the same thing, except CCP has legitimized the practice by creating PLEX, and tries to make their property worth more than it actually is by price setting. If CCP sold isk at the same rate as RMTers, there would be no issue. If there were no plex, there would also probably be fewer bots as real money would need to flow from farmers to CCP.
Lets start with the obvious shall we? CCP sell PLEX at a fixed rate to us, the players. The amount of ISK they sell for is set and determined entirely by us, the players. Not by CCP. Ever.
Now that that MASSIVELY obvious point is out of the way the rest of your stupid little argument falls apart completely. ISK sellers buy up as many PLEX as they can, convert some to ISK for re-sale and then hold on to the remaining PLEX thus driving up their prices. This has the knock on effect of raising the $/ú value of ISK meaning that normal PLEX buyers end up asking for more and more ISK for their PLEX.
Now this is where the ISK sellers make even more money. They offer their ISK at a much lower price, which they can afford as they are in almost complete control of the PLEX market and because the majority of them use bots to farm massive amounts of isk. Dumb players think that they are getting a good deal, that fellow players are just trying to rip them off and that the kindly ISK seller is a nice guy who doesn't like to see people ripped off.
Whats next? Oh yes, if PLEX didn't exist. Here you go again with getting it totally wrong, surprise surprise. PLEX was introduced as a way of combatting RMT. CCP eventually realised that there was a demand from its customers for a way to easily convert real cash into ISK. Up until that point the easiest (though still inherently risky) way of doing this was through RMT websites.
Obviously this is lost income for CCP so they came up with PLEX as a way to not only fulfil customer needs, but to regain some of that money. Getting rid of PLEX would not mean that farmers would route their ISK through CCP, as this was never the way it was done in the past. They would simply revert back to their former methods and things would get significantly worse.
RMT'ers are the bane of MMO's, they rely entirely on poorly educated people such as yourself, to spread the idea that RMT is ok, that it is a victimless crime and that everyone benefits. Well here is a news flash sunshine, they profit. Not CCP, not you, not decent players, just them. But you go ahead thinking that RMT'ers are charging TMV and that CCP are "Teh big ebil company" ripping you off.
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Dr Sodius
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Posted - 2011.03.10 05:24:00 -
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its funny to read how the nc are calling the DRF russians "ebayers" on every unofficial forum, while WI, MH, RZR & MM are buying ~150b isk to spend them into "pve ships"...
and then starting a thread about RMT & Botting
haha
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knobber Jobbler
Executive Intervention Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.03.10 06:11:00 -
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Originally by: GM Grimmi We are aware of the evenews24 situation and the leaked list being discussed here. At this time we cannot comment on the information in focus but we would like to use this opportunity to remind everyone that buying ISK for real money is a violation of our EULA and anyone doing so risks getting the ISK removed and punitive action against their accounts, including possible permanent bans.
While we would like to be more transparent about the methods and tools we use to fight RMT, botting and such in EVE we must maintain a level of secrecy in order to conduct successful operations. A presentation is scheduled at FanFest later this month where these matters will be discussed in some detail.
not good enough.
ccp used to treat players like customers, put our concerns first, treat us as valued. you had integrity and were customer focused.
now your behaving like a bank or a mobile phone company who thinks they can just ignore our concerns until pressure mounts to the point you have to deal with it as it might become embarrising enough to put off investors.
or at least that is the way you appear to be at the moment from your lack of communication on these issues and how eventually you react to them.
you've dropped the ball ccp and waiting even longer to pick it up again at some developer ass kissing event where 0.1% of the eve community will be present is not good enough.
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Aessoroz
Nohbdy.
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Posted - 2011.03.10 06:31:00 -
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Originally by: Marconus Orion A lot of NC alliances on that list. I take it voting for a candidate for CSM that is in an NC alliance is a vote for RMT?
Play it safe and just vote for Seleene tbh.
NC alliances buying isk alright. Now the better point is, guess which alliances are supplying the isk 8)
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.10 06:38:00 -
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Nop the question is which alliances want the botting gone (personally i cant give a crap about RMT: botting, hacking, etc is an issue for me. I dont care if they use the isk they obtain to sell it to others who buy a titan or buy a titan directly themselves.
Quote: His point was that many people are too busy in their lives and want to enjoy the ENJOYABLE parts of the games without having to do the GRIND in the games ("grind" does not equal "work" in all cases).
While I do agree that MMOs are way too grindy and if you make something that is optimized for bots instead of for humans you should not be surprised a bot does it, it still does not give you the right to cheat. The enjoyable part of BF:BC2 is imo killing someone, not dying. So now it is fine for me to install an infinite HP hack?
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MidnightReign
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Posted - 2011.03.10 07:01:00 -
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Originally by: Aeronwen Carys
RMT'ers are the bane of MMO's, they rely entirely on poorly educated people such as yourself, to spread the idea that RMT is ok, that it is a victimless crime and that everyone benefits. Well here is a news flash sunshine, they profit. Not CCP, not you, not decent players, just them. But you go ahead thinking that RMT'ers are charging TMV and that CCP are "Teh big ebil company" ripping you off.
Look, the fact that you aren't intelligent enough to even see my stance is not my problem and is the reason why I'm not going to invest the time and effort into refuting your logical fallacies and narrow-viewed unsubstantiated "facts". Again, learn to reading comprehend.
Ultimately what I was saying (and I'll try to dumb it down real good just for you cupcake) is this whole shebang is kinda pointless. CCP will do what they can given the path they have chosen, we will drive that action with *****ing, and in the end everything will pretty much stay as it is. (and because you fail reading, I'll put in that I am rather ambivalent about it either way, other than my stance that ANY METHOD of using out of game resources to gain in game assets is fscking stupid and defeats the purpose of playing the game to begin with.)
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knobber Jobbler
Executive Intervention Controlled Chaos
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Posted - 2011.03.10 07:18:00 -
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Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
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Posted - 2011.03.10 07:21:00 -
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ITT: people too lazy to use macros and stupid enough to give their credit card details to some suspicious website. Amusing ... :-/
How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
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Corozan Aspinall
Perkone
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Posted - 2011.03.10 07:25:00 -
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Originally by: Pan Crastus ITT: people too lazy to use macros and stupid enough to give their credit card details to some suspicious website. Amusing ... :-/
Even more funny is giving them to an eastern european suspicious website ..
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