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speedek
Spricer
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Posted - 2011.03.10 11:11:00 -
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you have to realise that iskbank is just ONE of the many ISK sellers, if everyone was making such nice money, CCP is losing millions of dollars each year ;)
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dexington
Caldari
Baconoration
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Posted - 2011.03.10 11:20:00 -
[392]
 Originally by: Hoya en Marland
Originally by: Jowen Datloran
CCP can legally deny you access to their server for no reason at all.
Repetead once again because some people still don't realize that everything you have on your account, including account itself, is property of CCP and therefore can be taken away from you in any time, with no explanation given.
If CCP is breaking the law by acting on information obtained by hacking another company, then the eula is worthless. CCP may not be able to freely act on the information handed to them, when it's obtained by committing a crime.
If CCP infact is breaking the law to closing accouns, based on the iskbank database, they can be forced by icelandic cout of law to reopen them. Anyone can write the icelandic data protection agency, which is under the justice department, and explain them the situation, if they find the matter suspicious they will investigate it and try the case under cout of law if they find any laws have been broken.
If the customers of iskbank.com are not breaking any icelandic laws, the data protection agency is very liekly to rule that CCP can't lawfully use the iskbank database without the consent of iskbank and the iskbank customers.
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Freelancer117
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Posted - 2011.03.10 11:22:00 -
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Bots, Lag, RMT, Untested new content, nerfing stuff around the things that need fixing, FW, empty promises,
the list of fails compound CCP
if you say soonÖ one more time at fanfest you should just turn off the light switch and go.
only reason why I play eve; internet chatrooms with music from www.eve-radio.com 
and we can use IRC clients for that, not this game fyi, think about that.
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Unej
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Posted - 2011.03.10 11:22:00 -
[394]
Originally by: dexington
Originally by: Hoya en Marland
Originally by: Jowen Datloran
CCP can legally deny you access to their server for no reason at all.
Repetead once again because some people still don't realize that everything you have on your account, including account itself, is property of CCP and therefore can be taken away from you in any time, with no explanation given.
If CCP is breaking the law by acting on information obtained by hacking another company, then the eula is worthless. CCP may not be able to freely act on the information handed to them, when it's obtained by committing a crime.
If CCP infact is breaking the law to closing accouns, based on the iskbank database, they can be forced by icelandic cout of law to reopen them. Anyone can write the icelandic data protection agency, which is under the justice department, and explain them the situation, if they find the matter suspicious they will investigate it and try the case under cout of law if they find any laws have been broken.
If the customers of iskbank.com are not breaking any icelandic laws, the data protection agency is very liekly to rule that CCP can't lawfully use the iskbank database without the consent of iskbank and the iskbank customers.
so how much isk did you buy? lol :)
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.03.10 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Othran
Evidence which is obtained illegally IS valid evidence pretty much everywhere (that has any rule of law) outside the USA. The person/persons who obtained the evidence illegally may face charges/prosecution but that does NOT invalidate the evidence.
What does invalidate the evidence is the lack of evidence trail. If the records aren't kept correctly from the time the evidence is initially found till the time it's presented in court, the evidence is invalid and cannot be submitted as evidence for the case.
The best that you'd hope to gain from "leaked" databases that were "stolen" from an ISK seller, is a couple of good tipoffs.
Apparently the lynch mobs are in action already though. BoB/IT should do more of these metagame fake leaks since it's apparently working better than their ingame campaign.
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Cergorach
Amarr
The Helix Foundation
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Posted - 2011.03.10 11:24:00 -
[396]
Let me start of by saying that I do not like RMT, but...
RMT isn't illegal, it's against the EULA, which might be considered a breach of contract which isn't an illegal act. Illegal is an action that is against the law. There's always the question whether an EULA is legally binding or even legal in itself, but that is a whole different discussion.
Then we have the data, it was obtained by hacking, which is illegal. Publishing that data might be considered a breach of privacy and could be illegal, depending where your located.
There's also the question of the data is legitimacy, was it fabricated (partly or in whole) or is it 'real'. I can see this being the next step in out of game Alliance/Corporate warfare, this list completely destroys the reputation of the folks listed on it, with a small chance of some serious repercussions for the folks listed on that list (CCP bans before checking facts).
I hope that CCP is checking all those accounts and it isn't a hoax, because CCP has better things to do then that.
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Orkasm
Navy of Xoc
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.03.10 11:26:00 -
[397]
Originally by: Cergorach
Let me start of by saying that I do not like RMT, but...
RMT isn't illegal, it's against the EULA, which might be considered a breach of contract which isn't an illegal act. Illegal is an action that is against the law. There's always the question whether an EULA is legally binding or even legal in itself, but that is a whole different discussion.
Then we have the data, it was obtained by hacking, which is illegal. Publishing that data might be considered a breach of privacy and could be illegal, depending where your located.
There's also the question of the data is legitimacy, was it fabricated (partly or in whole) or is it 'real'. I can see this being the next step in out of game Alliance/Corporate warfare, this list completely destroys the reputation of the folks listed on it, with a small chance of some serious repercussions for the folks listed on that list (CCP bans before checking facts).
I hope that CCP is checking all those accounts and it isn't a hoax, because CCP has better things to do then that.
^ That was essentially my point too :)
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Malcanis
Caldari
Alcohlics Anonymous
Scum Alliance
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Posted - 2011.03.10 11:28:00 -
[398]
Originally by: dexington
Originally by: Hoya en Marland
Originally by: Jowen Datloran
CCP can legally deny you access to their server for no reason at all.
Repetead once again because some people still don't realize that everything you have on your account, including account itself, is property of CCP and therefore can be taken away from you in any time, with no explanation given.
If CCP is breaking the law by acting on information obtained by hacking another company,
Sorry, which law is this?
Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players. |
Miss Connolly
Public Relations Corp
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Posted - 2011.03.10 11:34:00 -
[399]
Edited by: Miss Connolly on 10/03/2011 11:35:09
Just a quick FYI for you ISK buyers that are whining about the information being gleaned illegally: Germany bought a CD with stolen bank account data a few months ago so they could find people that were evading taxes.
If a normal (well sort of) government does this kind of thing then why should CCP not act on this information as well? CCP didn't even pay the thief/hacker (like in the case of stolen bank data).
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Fulbert
Gallente
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Posted - 2011.03.10 11:39:00 -
[400]
Edited by: Fulbert on 10/03/2011 11:41:19
Edited by: Fulbert on 10/03/2011 11:39:30
Originally by: Cergorach
RMT isn't illegal, it's against the EULA, which might be considered a breach of contract which isn't an illegal act. Illegal is an action that is against the law. There's always the question whether an EULA is legally binding or even legal in itself, but that is a whole different discussion.
Sorry, but RMT may be illegal, if you consider national laws about (or against!) gambling. I'm 80% sure it's illegal in France. If you can convert your virtual gains in real money, that makes EVE online like an online casino... with relevant taxes and stuff. BTW, buying ISK isn't illegal, for sure.
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Fulbert
Industrialist - Casual Trader
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dexington
Caldari
Baconoration
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Posted - 2011.03.10 11:40:00 -
[401]
Originally by: Unej
Originally by: dexington
Originally by: Hoya en Marland
Originally by: Jowen Datloran
CCP can legally deny you access to their server for no reason at all.
Repetead once again because some people still don't realize that everything you have on your account, including account itself, is property of CCP and therefore can be taken away from you in any time, with no explanation given.
If CCP is breaking the law by acting on information obtained by hacking another company, then the eula is worthless. CCP may not be able to freely act on the information handed to them, when it's obtained by committing a crime.
If CCP infact is breaking the law to closing accouns, based on the iskbank database, they can be forced by icelandic cout of law to reopen them. Anyone can write the icelandic data protection agency, which is under the justice department, and explain them the situation, if they find the matter suspicious they will investigate it and try the case under cout of law if they find any laws have been broken.
If the customers of iskbank.com are not breaking any icelandic laws, the data protection agency is very liekly to rule that CCP can't lawfully use the iskbank database without the consent of iskbank and the iskbank customers.
so how much isk did you buy? lol :)
non, with my massive 5M sp i don't really have the need for buying isk.
The data protection agency on iceland works the same way as in denmark and the rest of the eu, and they do see the protection of personal information as a serious matter. Most companies that engage in unlawfull activities which involves missuse of information lose the case when it's tryed, CCP would probably lose just from the principle that you are not allowed to steal data and treat it as an asset.
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Shaemell Buttleson
Euphoria Released
Merciless.
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Posted - 2011.03.10 11:41:00 -
[402]
The most 2nd most interesting thing about this thread are the players who reckon CCP will be in the wrong if they act on this information!
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Christos Hendez
Warhamsters
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2011.03.10 11:44:00 -
[403]
Originally by: Plague Black
Edited by: Plague Black on 10/03/2011 09:51:58
CCP > "Hey Russians some of your guys are selling our ingame currency for hard cash. 300,000$ a year! We want you to handle it!!!"
Ruskies > "300,000$? Selling virtual stuff? Whoa, we wish we had some more of people like that bringing in money to Russian economy. Pass us details of your game and we can start country wide isk selling programm. We need every penny we can get!"
CCP > "But they signed NDA..."
Ruskies > "Do you have a bilateral agreement with Russian Federation?"
CCP > "A Bi... what?"
Ruskies > "Svetlana, prepare some PCs we have another economy recovery project to run, some virtual spaceship thingie. Da! It will be glorious!!!" Click... Tooot tooot toot
CCP > "Helo? Heloooo? Helooooo?"
Brilliant :)
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dexington
Caldari
Baconoration
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Posted - 2011.03.10 11:45:00 -
[404]
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: dexington
Originally by: Hoya en Marland
Originally by: Jowen Datloran
CCP can legally deny you access to their server for no reason at all.
Repetead once again because some people still don't realize that everything you have on your account, including account itself, is property of CCP and therefore can be taken away from you in any time, with no explanation given.
If CCP is breaking the law by acting on information obtained by hacking another company,
Sorry, which law is this?
EU law
Directive 95/46/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 24 October 1995 on the protection of individuals with regard to the processing of personal data and on the free movement of such data
You can start here related diretives are mentioned in the text.
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LHA Tarawa
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Posted - 2011.03.10 11:47:00 -
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It is illegal to access a system that you do not have permission to access.
It is illegal to take data from a hacked system.
It is illegal to do illegal things with stolen data.
It is NOT illegal to do legal things with stolen data, if you took no part in the inital crime of stealing the data.
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dexington
Caldari
Baconoration
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Posted - 2011.03.10 11:55:00 -
[406]
Originally by: LHA Tarawa
It is NOT illegal to do legal things with stolen data, if you took no part in the inital crime of stealing the data.
If the iskbank costomers are not breaking any law they are protected by eu law, and it would not be legal for CCP use data given to iskbank without the consent of the comstomer.
Under EU law it's illegal for two companies two share customer data without the customer knowing and agree to this.
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Nina Mercedez
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Posted - 2011.03.10 11:56:00 -
[407]
lol at the legal experts arguing here.
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Orkasm
Navy of Xoc
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2011.03.10 11:58:00 -
[408]
Originally by: Nina Mercedez
lol at the legal experts arguing here.
people have jobs outside eve yo
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LHA Tarawa
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Posted - 2011.03.10 12:04:00 -
[409]
Originally by: dexingtonUnder EU law it's illegal for two companies two share customer data without the customer knowing and agree to this.[/quote
It is illegal to GIVE the data without customer permission.
It is NOT illegal to use data that has been made public through illegal activity, as long as you took no part in the theft and public release of that data.
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2011.03.10 12:04:00 -
[410]
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 10/03/2011 12:05:03
Originally by: dexington
Originally by: LHA Tarawa
It is NOT illegal to do legal things with stolen data, if you took no part in the inital crime of stealing the data.
If the iskbank costomers are not breaking any law they are protected by eu law, and it would not be legal for CCP use data given to iskbank without the consent of the comstomer.
Under EU law it's illegal for two companies two share customer data without the customer knowing and agree to this.
Actually, under EU law ISKBank are legally responsible for safeguarding their customer data.
I'm reasonably sure that since they got hacked and non-authorised people had access to the data, then it could be argued that they have failed in that repsonsibility and could be sued.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
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Nina Mercedez
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Posted - 2011.03.10 12:06:00 -
[411]
Originally by: Orkasm
Originally by: Nina Mercedez
lol at the legal experts arguing here.
people have jobs outside eve yo
I think I need a dump "yo"
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.10 12:08:00 -
[412]
Originally by: dexington
If the customers of iskbank.com are not breaking any icelandic laws, the data protection agency is very liekly to rule that CCP can't lawfully use the iskbank database without the consent of iskbank and the iskbank customers.
Give the forum troll some rest already... If CCP wants to launch investigation on some peoples accounts they will do that. If the characters what were pointed in some leaked list are included in that investigation, it is just tough luck for them.
I believe it is safe to say, that most legimate honest eve players in here don't give a crap about some rmt dealers legal rights or some pro rmt posts, which authors desperately try to keep their sinking boat above waterline. We can see thru that propaganda already.
The RMT element is and surely will always be there, but recent events clearly state that the community is fighting back and helping CCP various stuff. No matter what the trolls or rmt/bot lovers in here say, cheaters lives can and will be made much more difficult in the future.
...and I will sue your trolly bum if you quote me without any solid evidence that I've given you written permission to quote my text which was obtained from 5th party leaky eveleaks site by some Icelandic anonymous hacker with iHack portable.
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Terrible Damage
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Posted - 2011.03.10 12:10:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbIFx1u8jzc
Go!
Well everybody's sayin' that they're not so bad
Everybody's sayin' that we need 'em bad
Well everybody's got their ****in' heads up their ass
Everybody tells me they perform a service
But the same ****in' people say they drive 'em nervous
Well make your ****in' mind up, you stupid ****
If you want to see them cry
Poke 'em in the eye
Put their fingers in the socket and watch them fry
Cheaters must die
Everybody's sayin' that they drive 'em nuts
But when it comes to revenge they ain't got the guts
Well crawl back into your little 'ole, you little rat
United and strong we can fight them back
Teach them all a ****ing lesson that they'll never forget
And watch the little bastards come crawling back
"I'm sorry"
If you want to see them cry
Poke 'em in the eye
Put their fingers in the socket and watch them fry
Cheaters must die
If you want to see them cry
Poke 'em in the eye
Put their fingers in the socket and watch them fry
Cheaters must...
If you want to see them cry
Poke 'em in the eye
Put their fingers in the socket and watch them fry
How was your weekend? Good?
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Nina Mercedez
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Posted - 2011.03.10 12:13:00 -
[414]
Originally by: Terrible Damage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbIFx1u8jzc
something
I'm clicking like mad on your link, but nothing's happening.
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Jones Bones
Heretic Army
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Posted - 2011.03.10 12:13:00 -
[415]
CCP can ban you for just about anything. Have any of you actually read the EULA? It's their sandbox, you are merely a guest playing in their sandbox.
I've also yet to see proof that this database was hacked and not simply copied/distributed by one of the operator's.
Some mad RMTer's up in here.
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Terrible Damage
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Posted - 2011.03.10 12:14:00 -
[416]
Originally by: Nina Mercedez
I'm clicking like mad on your link, but nothing's happening.
use BRAIN on WORDS
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dexington
Caldari
Baconoration
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Posted - 2011.03.10 12:16:00 -
[417]
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 10/03/2011 12:05:03
Originally by: dexington
Originally by: LHA Tarawa
It is NOT illegal to do legal things with stolen data, if you took no part in the inital crime of stealing the data.
If the iskbank costomers are not breaking any law they are protected by eu law, and it would not be legal for CCP use data given to iskbank without the consent of the comstomer.
Under EU law it's illegal for two companies two share customer data without the customer knowing and agree to this.
Actually, under EU law ISKBank are legally responsible for safeguarding their customer data.
I'm reasonably sure that since they got hacked and non-authorised people had access to the data, then it could be argued that they have failed in that repsonsibility and could be sued.
That was tryed in denmark 2-3 years ago when a social site was hacked a username, email and passwords was posted publicly on the internet, they site was cleared of any wrong doing because they had taken required steps to protect the users data.
The main point in that case seemed to be that the passwords had been protected, but hacker had been able to discover many of the password by brute force. Which the sites could'nt be blamed for this because the password strength was decided by the user himself.
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Ms Sexy
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Posted - 2011.03.10 12:19:00 -
[418]
Edited by: Ms Sexy on 10/03/2011 12:19:48
I wouldn't be surprised if this isk supply for the isk site came from alliance like those in the drone regions and razor alliance! |
speedek
Spricer
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Posted - 2011.03.10 12:19:00 -
[419]
Still the bottom line is, ban buyers and sellers, make this game better place for the rest of us. |
Dawn Black
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Posted - 2011.03.10 12:20:00 -
[420]
Edited by: Dawn Black on 10/03/2011 12:20:51
So i'm guessing if they ban every account on their list we will have wat... 10k of people left on-line at night? Prolly also gonna mean that 9/10th of nc and goons are gone?
Neva gonna happen... good for CCP though because now that that souce is known it means more $$$$ for them. |
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