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Miners Strike
Mydas Eye
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Posted - 2011.03.09 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Furb Killer Well maybe not defensive, more like scared, does that count too?
It worries me. I would not want to see my account disappear, because of someone putting my name on a list or because all of a sudden the logs do show something.
If you have followed the discussion then you might understand that it is not possible for CCP to prove the actual transfer of real money, but they can only see if ISKs are being exchanged between players and what likely is a bot, ratting 23/7 in some belts, and suspect these to be the RMTs. So what CCP does is not an exact science, it is only very accurate guess work.
But why worry? CCP is great at everything they do! The game is free of bugs, no glitches anywhere, everything works just perfectly (and hybrid turrets are fine). You are right! Why worry about it?!
Your posts are getting sillier. CCP don't need to prove RMT in order to punish players.
If you or anyone else has suspicious transactions in their wallet, they will catch up with you. I think it's safe to assume that CCP know how to follow the isk trail.
If you're not involved in this you have nothing to fear. Have you noticed that you're pretty much the only person who views the situation from this particular angle? It's not because you're a visionary, it's because you're way off. Thanks for coming.
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Whitehound
The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point
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Posted - 2011.03.09 23:03:00 -
[302]
Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Miners Strike
Originally by: Whitehound Point out their wrong and you get onto their wishlist, too. Bloody, undereducated mob.
They're. And uneducated.
Seriously though, u mad?
Undereducated is legit btw. I think it's a brit thing...
"Wrong" can also be used as a noun. So, yes, I do point out their wrong. Think of it as "their error". --
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dexington
Caldari Baconoration
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Posted - 2011.03.09 23:08:00 -
[303]
Originally by: Whitehound
Originally by: Furb Killer Well maybe not defensive, more like scared, does that count too?
It worries me. I would not want to see my account disappear, because of someone putting my name on a list or because all of a sudden the logs do show something.
If it happens i'll have a 'Free Whitehound' site where people can donate money, don't worry you are not going to jail we'll beat them in court. :)
What you are suggesting seem so far fetched it looks like pure trolling, but you are right under the right curcomstances someone innocent could be accused of RMT. It's just something you have to live with, just like we don't let irl criminals run around free because there is a tiny chance of innocent people going to jail.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.09 23:09:00 -
[304]
Originally by: Mister Rocknrolla
There is no "isk trail.". I'm kinda surprised people haven't read-up on just how they operate.
We aren't privy to what CCP is doing to combat the issue, but it would be nice if they at least put on the appearance that they are doing something...much like the kabuki theater that is the "war on drugs" in the States. We would at least feel better, even if nothing actually changed.
My corp had a guy who bought isk years ago and when we got suspicious we reported him. The GM got back to us saying he had traced the isk to a known farmer and had removed the isk. This was confimed later that day when said member raged
You see, every single transaction is saved and is there for the GM to look at. So no matter how many hands it goes through CCP will know where it came from.
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Grey Stormshadow
Starwreck Industries
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Posted - 2011.03.09 23:11:00 -
[305]
Well... we should keep in mind that this current article in EN24 was only the beginning of the entire story.
Originally by: part of EN24 article Check back for EveNews24Ęs upcoming coverage of the Iskbank.com leak: Iskbank.com customers speak out EveNews24 Exclusive: The Vadim interview CSM6 candidates weigh in Phase 2: The Eveisk.ru dump
Those interviews should be interesting read and dunno what the other database dump has to offer.
I've been on really positive mood after the promising dev replies in the bot thread. Players in community have shown real support for fight against botting and rmt. This leak was unexpected, but really welcome as it raises more discussion and awareness on the topic. It is very likely that many people will see their accounts banhammered at least for some time and their wallets drained to negative balance.
Perhaps this following fanfest will really be start for new eve era, where these kinds of elements start slowly vanishing from game instead of getting stronger. That will be seen. At least community seems to be ready to help out.
------------------------------------------------- Play with the best - die like the rest starwreck.com - support the cause :) |
Joe Skellington
Minmatar JOKAS Industries Matari Legion
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Posted - 2011.03.09 23:15:00 -
[306]
Originally by: baltec1
Originally by: Mister Rocknrolla
There is no "isk trail.". I'm kinda surprised people haven't read-up on just how they operate.
We aren't privy to what CCP is doing to combat the issue, but it would be nice if they at least put on the appearance that they are doing something...much like the kabuki theater that is the "war on drugs" in the States. We would at least feel better, even if nothing actually changed.
My corp had a guy who bought isk years ago and when we got suspicious we reported him. The GM got back to us saying he had traced the isk to a known farmer and had removed the isk. This was confimed later that day when said member raged
You see, every single transaction is saved and is there for the GM to look at. So no matter how many hands it goes through CCP will know where it came from.
This is true, same thing happened to our old CEO. He got his wallet put into the negative some several billion isk. From what I learned, he complained to CCP for several weeks threatening to cancel his 7 or so accounts until they reversed it.
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Nyio
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Posted - 2011.03.09 23:16:00 -
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I read the whole article at EveNews24, and it made me smile. The alleged hacker did a good thing I think, apart from the blackmailing. If any of that is true..
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LittleTerror
Tea Tactics
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Posted - 2011.03.09 23:17:00 -
[308]
Originally by: Kylira Ulfrinn
Originally by: Patient 2428190
I almost believe you.
After all, Incarana is going to be packed to the brim with great features, game content busted out of the seams. The last 5 years have been a constant information stream from CCP talking about all the great things we will be doing, all the beautiful crafted content lovingly made just for EVE Online customers.
Oh wait, its a graphics engine that is completely unrelated to anything EVE has been for the past decade.
I am now convinced that you are incapable of making a post in which you do not cry about Incarna. That's all I ever see from you.
Yes I think there is something wrong with his brain.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.09 23:19:00 -
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Originally by: Grey Stormshadow
Perhaps this following fanfest will really be start for new eve era, where these kinds of elements start slowly vanishing from game instead of getting stronger. That will be seen. At least community seems to be ready to help out.
Won't happen.
There will always be the lazy fat-beards with tons of r/l $$ to blow on RMT. One guy that worked with me was completely and utterly all in favor of buying WoW gold and power leveling services. He got this other girl at work to start playing WoW and got her into RMT too. What's funny is he LOOKED the part of the basement dwelling, fat-beard, living at home with mommy type too. Typical gaming nerd, and there's millions of them. There's a reason RMT is a multi-billion dollar industry, and it won't go away...ever...period... - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Catheryn Martobi
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Posted - 2011.03.09 23:25:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Grey Stormshadow
Perhaps this following fanfest will really be start for new eve era, where these kinds of elements start slowly vanishing from game instead of getting stronger. That will be seen. At least community seems to be ready to help out.
Won't happen.
There will always be the lazy fat-beards with tons of r/l $$ to blow on RMT. One guy that worked with me was completely and utterly all in favor of buying WoW gold and power leveling services. He got this other girl at work to start playing WoW and got her into RMT too. What's funny is he LOOKED the part of the basement dwelling, fat-beard, living at home with mommy type too. Typical gaming nerd, and there's millions of them. There's a reason RMT is a multi-billion dollar industry, and it won't go away...ever...period...
It won't go away as long as it's profitable. If we can make it so the cost outweighs the benefits then it will go away. Problem is no one has ever found solution yet.
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Hoya en Marland
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Posted - 2011.03.09 23:29:00 -
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Edited by: Hoya en Marland on 09/03/2011 23:31:08
evenews24: thanks for reminding me why I despise MMORPGs; how the hell did I let myself to get involved with this one is something I will be contemplating in next few days.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.09 23:31:00 -
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Originally by: Catheryn Martobi
Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Grey Stormshadow
Perhaps this following fanfest will really be start for new eve era, where these kinds of elements start slowly vanishing from game instead of getting stronger. That will be seen. At least community seems to be ready to help out.
Won't happen.
There will always be the lazy fat-beards with tons of r/l $$ to blow on RMT. One guy that worked with me was completely and utterly all in favor of buying WoW gold and power leveling services. He got this other girl at work to start playing WoW and got her into RMT too. What's funny is he LOOKED the part of the basement dwelling, fat-beard, living at home with mommy type too. Typical gaming nerd, and there's millions of them. There's a reason RMT is a multi-billion dollar industry, and it won't go away...ever...period...
It won't go away as long as it's profitable. If we can make it so the cost outweighs the benefits then it will go away. Problem is no one has ever found solution yet.
You can't make the cost outweigh the benefits when you can get 100s of Chinese to sit in cramped rooms farming online currencies in shifts 24/7 for a bowl of rice or whatever else they pay, which is not even what illegals make in the US for hard labor. Seriously, there's some interesting documentaries on youtube about gold farming operations. It's pretty interesting what goes on. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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dexington
Caldari Baconoration
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Posted - 2011.03.09 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Grey Stormshadow
Perhaps this following fanfest will really be start for new eve era, where these kinds of elements start slowly vanishing from game instead of getting stronger. That will be seen. At least community seems to be ready to help out.
Won't happen.
There will always be the lazy fat-beards with tons of r/l $$ to blow on RMT. One guy that worked with me was completely and utterly all in favor of buying WoW gold and power leveling services. He got this other girl at work to start playing WoW and got her into RMT too. What's funny is he LOOKED the part of the basement dwelling, fat-beard, living at home with mommy type too. Typical gaming nerd, and there's millions of them. There's a reason RMT is a multi-billion dollar industry, and it won't go away...ever...period...
I've been "forced" to buy gold in WOW lots of times, full time job and 12-20 hours end game raiding leaves no time for grinding all the stuff you needed for raiding. If WOW had a option like PLEX i would have used that, and i believe PLEX will take some of the RMT profit. PLEX will not be able to compete with the RMT isk price, which makes RMT the best option for people who are willing to spend large amounts of money, but it's probably also the large transactions that are the easiest to detect.
I would be nice if the next news story gives some information on how the RMT looked before and after PLEX was added to the market as an normal item, it may give CCP some insight on where to focus their effort against RMT.
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Joe Skellington
Minmatar JOKAS Industries Matari Legion
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Posted - 2011.03.09 23:45:00 -
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If your job forces you to "RMT", than maybe a game like Super Mario Cart is more suited for you, not an MMO. I think that's just a f'ing cop out.
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dexington
Caldari Baconoration
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Posted - 2011.03.09 23:50:00 -
[315]
Originally by: Joe Skellington If your job forces you to "RMT", than maybe a game like Super Mario Cart is more suited for you, not an MMO. I think that's just a f'ing cop out.
Spare me your deep moral judgement, most games have some form of RMT. Eve has PLEX, WOW has TCG.
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Dorian Tormak
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Posted - 2011.03.09 23:56:00 -
[316]
Originally by: Whitehound Edited by: Whitehound on 09/03/2011 23:08:36
Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Miners Strike
Originally by: Whitehound Point out their wrong and you get onto their wishlist, too. Bloody, undereducated mob.
They're. And uneducated.
Seriously though, u mad?
Undereducated is legit btw. I think it's a brit thing...
"Wrong" can also be used as a noun. So, yes, I do point out their wrong. Think of it as "their error".
PS: Good night!
Pwned !
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Llyandrian
Amarr Livestock Science Exchange
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Posted - 2011.03.10 00:11:00 -
[317]
Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Miners Strike
Originally by: Whitehound Point out their wrong and you get onto their wishlist, too. Bloody, undereducated mob.
They're. And uneducated.
Seriously though, u mad?
Undereducated is legit btw. I think it's a brit thing...
No we British say ignorant.
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration
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Posted - 2011.03.10 00:19:00 -
[318]
Originally by: Azirapheal Icarantus$354.92 Icarantus$354.92 Icarantus$351.18 Icarantus$351.18 Icarantus$351.18 Icarantus$338.06 Icarantus$316.07 Icarantus$283.94 Icarantus$243.21 Icarantus$211.56 Icarantus$186.80 Icarantus$181.20 Icarantus$181.20 Icarantus$181.20 Icarantus$179.33 Icarantus$177.46 Icarantus$177.46 Icarantus$177.46 Icarantus$177.46 Icarantus$177.46 Icarantus$175.59 Icarantus$175.59 Icarantus$175.59 Icarantus$175.59 Icarantus$175.59 Icarantus$175.59 Icarantus$173.72 Icarantus$128.14 Icarantus$112.08 Icarantus$99.38 Icarantus$94.82 Icarantus$60.34
wow, just wow.
This^ No really... wow.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Thread cleaned. Posting of Off-topic and trolling posts, GM correspondence, and discussions of illegal activities are not permitted on the forums. Please remember to post within the forum rules at all times.
Isn't this thread entirely about illegal activities?
Meh. This was an interesting story worth reading, so thanks OP. I don't think anyone is surprised much, but contrary to some comments here I'm sure CCP is looking into it. It's pretty clear they don't like it any more than us, particularly since it costs them money (all these names on the list could have been paying CCP instead... CCP in turn could hire another designer or programmer or two w/ this kind of dough). Anyway... over it. On to Incarna.
"A hungry man will tell you anything if you give him a cookie." |
Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.10 00:54:00 -
[319]
Originally by: dexington
Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Grey Stormshadow
Perhaps this following fanfest will really be start for new eve era, where these kinds of elements start slowly vanishing from game instead of getting stronger. That will be seen. At least community seems to be ready to help out.
Won't happen.
There will always be the lazy fat-beards with tons of r/l $$ to blow on RMT. One guy that worked with me was completely and utterly all in favor of buying WoW gold and power leveling services. He got this other girl at work to start playing WoW and got her into RMT too. What's funny is he LOOKED the part of the basement dwelling, fat-beard, living at home with mommy type too. Typical gaming nerd, and there's millions of them. There's a reason RMT is a multi-billion dollar industry, and it won't go away...ever...period...
I've been "forced" to buy gold in WOW lots of times, full time job and 12-20 hours end game raiding leaves no time for grinding all the stuff you needed for raiding. If WOW had a option like PLEX i would have used that, and i believe PLEX will take some of the RMT profit. PLEX will not be able to compete with the RMT isk price, which makes RMT the best option for people who are willing to spend large amounts of money, but it's probably also the large transactions that are the easiest to detect.
I would be nice if the next news story gives some information on how the RMT looked before and after PLEX was added to the market as an normal item, it may give CCP some insight on where to focus their effort against RMT.
I'm sorry, no one is forced to buy gold in WoW. I managed 15k gold in a month of harvesting 20 minutes a day while having coffee before getting in the shower for work. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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Comstr
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2011.03.10 01:20:00 -
[320]
Edited by: Comstr on 10/03/2011 01:21:15 Well CCP's lack of response and complete lack of action on bots or the players who buy RMT is making me put my money where my mouth is. My account is cancelled end of this month.
If you actually care about it, it's the only way to make CCP take notice. Everyone else in this thread will still be here next month. I won't.
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dexington
Caldari Baconoration
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Posted - 2011.03.10 01:23:00 -
[321]
Originally by: Barakkus I'm sorry, no one is forced to buy gold in WoW. I managed 15k gold in a month of harvesting 20 minutes a day while having coffee before getting in the shower for work.
Like hell you did that in classic or tbc, and when you have to much money and to little time you do feel forced to either pay for currency or stop playing the game or atleast the part of the game you enjoy, which in the end it likely to make you stop playing the game. That is the main reason most games have some legit way of doing RMT, and it's also why the illegal 3. party RMT exists.
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Ann Tsukamoto
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Posted - 2011.03.10 01:27:00 -
[322]
Edited by: Ann Tsukamoto on 10/03/2011 01:29:53 If ccp say Quote: the logs show nothing
, hopefully it'll be the spur for me to finally quit.
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Ai Mei
Starfish Operating Syndicate
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Posted - 2011.03.10 01:36:00 -
[323]
Originally by: Comstr Edited by: Comstr on 10/03/2011 01:21:15 Well CCP's lack of response and complete lack of action on bots or the players who buy RMT is making me put my money where my mouth is. My account is cancelled end of this month.
If you actually care about it, it's the only way to make CCP take notice. Everyone else in this thread will still be here next month. I won't.
Only good goon is a cancelled subscription goon. Stuff can I has?
Oh and CCP cannot comment during accusations or investigations like this.
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Ann Tsukamoto
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Posted - 2011.03.10 01:38:00 -
[324]
Originally by: Ai Mei
Originally by: Comstr Edited by: Comstr on 10/03/2011 01:21:15 Well CCP's lack of response and complete lack of action on bots or the players who buy RMT is making me put my money where my mouth is. My account is cancelled end of this month.
If you actually care about it, it's the only way to make CCP take notice. Everyone else in this thread will still be here next month. I won't.
Only good goon is a cancelled subscription goon. Stuff can I has?
Oh and CCP cannot comment during accusations or investigations like this.
i'm sorry, but i can honestly say. 'this is the first time i've ever agreed with a goon'.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.10 01:41:00 -
[325]
Edited by: Barakkus on 10/03/2011 01:42:43
Originally by: dexington
Originally by: Barakkus I'm sorry, no one is forced to buy gold in WoW. I managed 15k gold in a month of harvesting 20 minutes a day while having coffee before getting in the shower for work.
Like hell you did that in classic or tbc, and when you have to much money and to little time you do feel forced to either pay for currency or stop playing the game or atleast the part of the game you enjoy, which in the end it likely to make you stop playing the game. That is the main reason most games have some legit way of doing RMT, and it's also why the illegal 3. party RMT exists.
It was during TBC actually. Silithus (I think is the name of the zone, the one with all the bugs underground) is good income if you take herbalism and mining. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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dexington
Caldari Baconoration
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Posted - 2011.03.10 01:50:00 -
[326]
Originally by: Barakkus It was during TBC actually. Silithus (I think is the name of the zone, the one with all the bugs underground) is good income if you take herbalism and mining.
1500g/hr using mining and herbalism farming level 60 content in tbc, you are clearly talking out your ass, please stop now no need to make yourself look like a bigger fool.
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Obsidian Hawk
RONA Legion RONA Directorate
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Posted - 2011.03.10 01:51:00 -
[327]
Originally by: Ann Tsukamoto
Originally by: Ai Mei
Originally by: Comstr Edited by: Comstr on 10/03/2011 01:21:15 Well CCP's lack of response and complete lack of action on bots or the players who buy RMT is making me put my money where my mouth is. My account is cancelled end of this month.
If you actually care about it, it's the only way to make CCP take notice. Everyone else in this thread will still be here next month. I won't.
Only good goon is a cancelled subscription goon. Stuff can I has?
Oh and CCP cannot comment during accusations or investigations like this.
i'm sorry, but i can honestly say. 'this is the first time i've ever agreed with a goon'.
Well CCP is in a bind, people want them to comment, and say something but as with all investigations on accusations as these which are very serious, you dont open your mouth until, the investigation is completed and provide a definitive explanation.
With this thread and the responses from it I would give it a week before we really hear something about this.
What they are going to do is first.
Lock all those player accounts until further notices Next - read their wallet journal for the past 6 months to see all transactions including player donations, contracts, market orders etc. After highlighting key large scale transactions that could resemble isk buying they will then see note the players where they isk came from. AFter compiling this list, ccp will check to see if any of the donating players or market transactions are from the same people.
IF yes then source player is locked and their wallet is investigated etc. going in the same process. Once this is done they will know the names of the donating bots, the distributors of the isk and the buyers.
Then with a fit of unholy rage they will ban them all in one fell swoop.
THE POSTS in this thread maybe the needle CCP has been looking for so they can put an end to a majority of RMT / botting in eve.
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Barakkus
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Posted - 2011.03.10 01:53:00 -
[328]
Originally by: dexington
Originally by: Barakkus It was during TBC actually. Silithus (I think is the name of the zone, the one with all the bugs underground) is good income if you take herbalism and mining.
1500g/hr using mining and herbalism farming level 60 content in tbc, you are clearly talking out your ass, please stop now no need to make yourself look like a bigger fool.
Only fool here is you going on about having to spend money on gold lol.
When WoTLK came out I was loaning money to my guild mates for mounts. You must have been on a ****ty server, Onyxia's economy treated me well. - - [SERVICE] Corp Standings For POS anchoring
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mechtech
SRS Industries SRS.
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Posted - 2011.03.10 02:01:00 -
[329]
CCP is letting this thread stay up, I'm surprised.
I can only assume they are letting botting stay in the public's eye because they are going to be more forward about fighting RMT/botting in the future, at least I hope so...
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2011.03.10 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis He's yet to explain why this is a worse motive to shoot someone than any of the other motives that inspire us to shoot each other.
I think coming back from a long holiday to find your erstwhile friends have booted you from alliance and banned you from forums/Teamspeak based on a faked invoice for RMT services would rate as a little worse than a bunch of neck beards blowing up your officer-fit Golem.
Sensible people might not do such a thing, but even sensible people faced with claims of outrageous crimes will behave stupidly. Some people are particularly vehement about RMT. -- A vote for NC candidates is a vote for RMT [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel] |
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