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Malcanis Caldari Alcohlics Anonymous Scum Alliance	Posted - 2011.03.09 21:16:00 - [241] Originally by: Pham Lai Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Pham Lai Anyway, I kinda few bad for these people if they ever get banned. I don't. Cheating bastards should be banned for life. Whats the different between buying isk with real money and buying PlEXthensellingPLEXforisk with real money? What's the difference between buying something from a shop and buying something from a shoplifter? In both cases you're buying goods with money. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
dexington Caldari Baconoration	Posted - 2011.03.09 21:17:00 - [242] Originally by: Whitehound Originally by: baltec1 They have their credit cards and other personal info that they are not going to be giving out to the public. Sorry but that is far too much evidence to just say "gotta be fake". You do sound like you are deperatly trying to cast some mist over this. Where did you read that EveNews24 have the credit card information, too? EveNews24 created some nice looking pictures of bills, but they are good with artwork at EveNews24. Not to mention the publicity it gives them ... EN24 accepting and partly publishing customer/private information obtained by hacking a company database is probably illegal, not that i think anyone with any kind of authority really cares about a company that sells funny money used in a computer game. On the other hand you can be sure that someone cares if they have accepted a database containing valid credit card information and publicly disclosed parts of the information, that is likely to get you in the kind of trouble where it's not to say anything without attorney present.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.03.09 21:21:00 - [243] Edited by: Tippia on 09/03/2011 21:21:14 Originally by: Whitehound Nonsense. If the names on this list match with CCP's own information then it is merely a happy coincidence, a fun fact, but nothing of value to CCP's efforts. They cannot even use this information to pat themselves on their backs, because the list is not one of their own efforts, it cannot be trusted and therefore not used for a verification. I wonder if you can understand this ... àand I wonder if you understand that they don't need the CC information to ban people for RMT. And they most certainly can use that list in their efforts. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.03.09 21:21:00 - [244] Originally by: Ingvar Angst They don't need proof. They don't actually even need hard evidence... it's their game. If the data shows enough to their satisfaction that your alts were used to buy isk... well, nothing you do from this point on in the game matters. It's all wasted effort pending your deletion. Yeah, they see you defending the isk buyers in this thread... they're looking at you in the database now, hard. All that cash flow across your IP, dates matching up with the evebank files... oh, you feel them, don't you? They're in your account, in your computer, even under your bed, watching, waiting to strike. Good bye. 8 pages have past of which how many you have read? ... Troll. --
Malcanis Caldari Alcohlics Anonymous Scum Alliance	Posted - 2011.03.09 21:21:00 - [245] Originally by: Whitehound Originally by: Tippia àof course, none of that matters since they don't need the CC information. Nonsense. If the names on this list match with CCP's own information then it is merely a happy coincidence, a fun fact, but nothing of value to CCP's efforts. They cannot even use this information to pat themselves on their backs, because the list is not one of their own efforts, it cannot be trusted and therefore not used for a verification. I wonder if you can understand this ... But they can use it as a good guide for who to investigate. I wonder if you can understand that... Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
sise XXL	Posted - 2011.03.09 21:21:00 - [246] The iskbank has hacked one of EVE player ( from Croatia). And he had send petetion to CCP 03.04.2011, what CCP have answered: Link removed for posting GM correspondence. Zymurgist
Avon Caldari Versatech Co. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2011.03.09 21:23:00 - [247] Originally by: Whitehound Originally by: Tippia àof course, none of that matters since they don't need the CC information. Nonsense. If the names on this list match with CCP's own information then it is merely a happy coincidence, a fun fact, but nothing of value to CCP's efforts. They cannot even use this information to pat themselves on their backs, because the list is not one of their own efforts, it cannot be trusted and therefore not used for a verification. I wonder if you can understand this ... CCP could ban everyone on that list, and anyone who has transacted with those characters, on a whim. That is the bit you are failing to understand. There is no burden of proof. Retro sig
Joe Skellington Minmatar JOKAS Industries Matari Legion	Posted - 2011.03.09 21:23:00 - [248] There's a lot of people ****ting their pants in this thread, lol.
Avon Caldari Versatech Co. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2011.03.09 21:25:00 - [249] Originally by: Joe Skellington There's a lot of people ****ting their pants in this thread, lol. It seems more like one person; with very big pants. Retro sig
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.03.09 21:32:00 - [250] Originally by: Avon CCP could ban everyone on that list, and anyone who has transacted with those characters, on a whim. That is the bit you are failing to understand. There is no burden of proof. 8 pages have past you undiscovered. --
Avon Caldari Versatech Co. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2011.03.09 21:35:00 - [251] Heh, it is you that is banging on with the same old rhetoric, regardless of what others have to say. I think I have probably noticed more of the posts than you. :) Retro sig
Durnin Stormbrow	Posted - 2011.03.09 21:36:00 - [252] Edited by: Durnin Stormbrow on 09/03/2011 21:36:00 Originally by: Whitehound Originally by: Tippia àof course, none of that matters since they don't need the CC information. Nonsense. If the names on this list match with CCP's own information then it is merely a happy coincidence, a fun fact, but nothing of value to CCP's efforts. They cannot even use this information to pat themselves on their backs, because the list is not one of their own efforts, it cannot be trusted and therefore not used for verification. I wonder if you can understand this ... It sounds like you think CCP has the burden of proof as if they were going to prosecute someone in court. They don't need any evidence to simply deny a subscription and refund the paying account; they could do that on a whim to any player or group of players they choose for no more reason than doing it makes them giggle. You don't own your character or any property controlled by the character, nor do you have possession of those things; you have a limited license to digital stuff that that resides on their server, and they can withdraw that license at any time. Since they do need to keep some sort of appearance of fairness, they'll want to have good cause before dropping the ban hammer, but they don't need proof.

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Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.03.09 21:37:00 - [254] Originally by: Whitehound 8 pages have past you undiscovered. Maybe you should read them, then, instead of banging on about something CCP has no need of in order to ban people for RMT:ingà ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.03.09 21:37:00 - [255] Edited by: Whitehound on 09/03/2011 21:37:42 Originally by: Avon Heh, it is you that is banging on with the same old rhetoric, regardless of what others have to say. I think I have probably noticed more of the posts than you. :) This is because you cannot read and only notice posts. @Tippia: why do you think I mention these 8 pages? Any ideas?? --
Mara Rinn	Posted - 2011.03.09 21:39:00 - [256] Originally by: Fictional Invoice From EVENews24 Order No. 8574 - 1000pcs x 1 ISK - 35.09 Am I missing something or did "Nick Stewart" who is in Iraq pay $35.09 for 1000ISK? The amount of PLEX this alleged operation has in storage is a little scary - if CCP doesn't squash the entire operation in one stroke, we'll potentially have a flood of PLEX onto the market, ruining the legitimate dollars-to-ISK trade. Thank goodness CCP is navigating the more cautious path. I'm a little surprised that the database dump didn't include any information on suppliers. How does "iskbank" get their stocks if they have no suppliers? For the moment I'll assume the article is an interesting fiction. It raises some interesting issues, but anyone taking actions against people on the "client list" without having any further evidence is basically participating in a lynch mob. -- [Aussie players: join ANZAC channel]
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.03.09 21:42:00 - [257] Originally by: Whitehound why do you think I mention these 8 pages? Any ideas?? Because you're trying to deflect the issue from the fact that no CC information is needed for CCP to ban people for RMT:ing and that they most certainly can use the information in that list to pursue people suspected of it. ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation	Posted - 2011.03.09 21:43:00 - [258] Originally by: Mara Rinn Originally by: Fictional Invoice From EVENews24 Order No. 8574 - 1000pcs x 1 ISK - 35.09 Am I missing something or did "Nick Stewart" who is in Iraq pay $35.09 for 1000ISK? The amount of PLEX this alleged operation has in storage is a little scary - if CCP doesn't squash the entire operation in one stroke, we'll potentially have a flood of PLEX onto the market, ruining the legitimate dollars-to-ISK trade. Thank goodness CCP is navigating the more cautious path. I'm a little surprised that the database dump didn't include any information on suppliers. How does "iskbank" get their stocks if they have no suppliers? For the moment I'll assume the article is an interesting fiction. It raises some interesting issues, but anyone taking actions against people on the "client list" without having any further evidence is basically participating in a lynch mob. CCP follows the isk trail back to the suppliers.
Malcanis Caldari Alcohlics Anonymous Scum Alliance	Posted - 2011.03.09 21:46:00 - [259] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Whitehound why do you think I mention these 8 pages? Any ideas?? Because you're trying to deflect the issue from the fact that no CC information is needed for CCP to ban people for RMT:ing and that they most certainly can use the information in that list to pursue people suspected of it. LALALALA I'M NOT LISTENING LALALALA </Whitehound> Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Karontin Maysubile	Posted - 2011.03.09 21:46:00 - [260] Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Mara Rinn Originally by: Fictional Invoice From EVENews24 Order No. 8574 - 1000pcs x 1 ISK - 35.09 Am I missing something or did "Nick Stewart" who is in Iraq pay $35.09 for 1000ISK? The amount of PLEX this alleged operation has in storage is a little scary - if CCP doesn't squash the entire operation in one stroke, we'll potentially have a flood of PLEX onto the market, ruining the legitimate dollars-to-ISK trade. Thank goodness CCP is navigating the more cautious path. I'm a little surprised that the database dump didn't include any information on suppliers. How does "iskbank" get their stocks if they have no suppliers? For the moment I'll assume the article is an interesting fiction. It raises some interesting issues, but anyone taking actions against people on the "client list" without having any further evidence is basically participating in a lynch mob. CCP follows the isk trail back to the suppliers. I think he means we, the players, might pursue justice on the people in the list.
Avon Caldari Versatech Co. RED.OverLord	Posted - 2011.03.09 21:46:00 - [261] Originally by: Whitehound Edited by: Whitehound on 09/03/2011 21:37:42 Originally by: Avon Heh, it is you that is banging on with the same old rhetoric, regardless of what others have to say. I think I have probably noticed more of the posts than you. :) This is because you cannot read and only notice posts. @Tippia: why do you think I mention these 8 pages? Any ideas?? Originally by: Terms of Service 25. CCP reserves the right to close, temporarily or permanently, any userÆs account without advance notice as we deem necessary. Furthermore, we reserve the right to delete all user accounts or inventory of characters as warranted. 26. We reserve the right to ban any user from the game without refund or compensation. Burden of proof? Retro sig
Nina Mercedez	Posted - 2011.03.09 21:46:00 - [262] Originally by: Mara Rinn Originally by: Fictional Invoice From EVENews24 Order No. 8574 - 1000pcs x 1 ISK - 35.09 Am I missing something or did "Nick Stewart" who is in Iraq pay $35.09 for 1000ISK? The amount of PLEX this alleged operation has in storage is a little scary - if CCP doesn't squash the entire operation in one stroke, we'll potentially have a flood of PLEX onto the market, ruining the legitimate dollars-to-ISK trade. Thank goodness CCP is navigating the more cautious path. I'm a little surprised that the database dump didn't include any information on suppliers. How does "iskbank" get their stocks if they have no suppliers? For the moment I'll assume the article is an interesting fiction. It raises some interesting issues, but anyone taking actions against people on the "client list" without having any further evidence is basically participating in a lynch mob. It sure looks like the 1000 isk for $35 deal going on, but I imagine the isk in units of 1 million. As for suppliers, if they had sense, they'd set up ratting bots. Since, after all, they're legal.
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.03.09 21:50:00 - [263] Originally by: Tippia Because you're trying to deflect the issue from the fact that no CC information is needed for CCP to ban people for RMT:ing and that they most certainly can use the information in that list to pursue people suspected of it. No, I am not deflecting from it. I wrote several pages earlier that CCP can do whatever they like, because it is their game. Go back and you can find it. All I am doing is to help people to keep an open mind in this. For some is this not possible and they wish nothing more than for this list to be true and to see everyone disappear who is on it. Point out their wrong and you get onto their wishlist, too. Bloody, undereducated mob. --
Malcanis Caldari Alcohlics Anonymous Scum Alliance	Posted - 2011.03.09 21:52:00 - [264] Originally by: Karontin Maysubile Originally by: baltec1 Originally by: Mara Rinn Originally by: Fictional Invoice From EVENews24 Order No. 8574 - 1000pcs x 1 ISK - 35.09 Am I missing something or did "Nick Stewart" who is in Iraq pay $35.09 for 1000ISK? The amount of PLEX this alleged operation has in storage is a little scary - if CCP doesn't squash the entire operation in one stroke, we'll potentially have a flood of PLEX onto the market, ruining the legitimate dollars-to-ISK trade. Thank goodness CCP is navigating the more cautious path. I'm a little surprised that the database dump didn't include any information on suppliers. How does "iskbank" get their stocks if they have no suppliers? For the moment I'll assume the article is an interesting fiction. It raises some interesting issues, but anyone taking actions against people on the "client list" without having any further evidence is basically participating in a lynch mob. CCP follows the isk trail back to the suppliers. I think he means we, the players, might pursue justice on the people in the list. He's yet to explain why this is a worse motive to shoot someone than any of the other motives that inspire us to shoot each other. Malcanis' Law: Whenever a mechanics change is proposed on behalf of "new players", that change is always to the overwhelming advantage of richer, older players.
Nadarius Chrome Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2011.03.09 21:53:00 - [265] I've never spent real money to buy ISK. I accumulate ISK in-game in ways I find enjoyable, and I buy PLEX off the market to keep my accounts open. So the only way this whole shebang affects me is the fact that these ***holes have been stockpiling PLEX. This drives the price up. Maybe not a huge amount but still. And if CCP bans whatever account(s) hold these PLEX, taking them out of circulation, CCP will have been paid for a service (461 years of game time) which they never have to provide. I hereby repeat and extend the calls made previously, namely that PLEX destroyed have their value donated to a charity. If you do that and include PLEX on permabanned accounts, then at least they will be doing some good.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops	Posted - 2011.03.09 21:53:00 - [266] Originally by: Whitehound No, I am not deflecting from it. I wrote several pages earlier that CCP can do whatever they like, because it is their game. So why do you call it nonsense when I tell you exactly that? Why do you get so defensive when others point out that what you apparently say yourself is not nonsense? ùùù ôIf you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡à you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.ö ù Karath Piki
Dorian Tormak	Posted - 2011.03.09 21:54:00 - [267] I disagree that they should be banned or **ing burned at the stake for buying some ISK. Who gives a ** like honestly. You mad because you can't afford it? Also, thumbs up if you're looking through those names for people you know :O
Nina Mercedez	Posted - 2011.03.09 21:56:00 - [268] Originally by: Nadarius Chrome I hereby repeat and extend the calls made previously, namely that PLEX destroyed have their value donated to a charity. If you do that and include PLEX on permabanned accounts, then at least they will be doing some good. That'll happen.
Whitehound The Whitehound Corporation Frontline Assembly Point	Posted - 2011.03.09 21:57:00 - [269] Originally by: Malcanis He's yet to explain why this is a worse motive to shoot someone than any of the other motives that inspire us to shoot each other. Since when does it need a reason to shoot someone? What is worse is that for you it does need one. --
Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion RONA Directorate	Posted - 2011.03.09 21:58:00 - [270] If they do indeed have this huge dump of 1 trillion in plexes and what not or stuff like that. All CCP needs to do is shut down the server and run a search of their database to locate every plex within game and see where teh stockpiles are to identify these so called reserves.

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