I'm imagining afk cloaking will become just slightly more scary with these new covops moderate to high dps drone ships, being much quicker to get into than recons. Now maybe some supposed afk'ers will reach out and actually badtouch you.

Except for the part where all the EFT warrioring going on is assuming perfect V's in all drone skills..... Now go and actually look how long that takes. Then how long to get the perfect V's in all Gunnery skills for Medium Blasters to go with their EFT warrioring. And perfect V in 2 cruisers.
Now look at how little time is needed for Recons relative to that training.

These are certainly not faster to train into than recons to kick those numbers out.

You are forgetting that for the ship to be overpowered they also need to shoot at a structure, otherwise the tracking formula might have some words against their pretty numbers : Ogre II tracking is only good against larger target ; for 125m sig radius targets, the dps drop to 55% *if she doesn't move*...

Checked back into thread to see if people finally calmed down from being ******** and thinking paper dps is actual dps;

Leave disapointed.

Will wait till IQ rises above that of a potato.

Rumour has it that ships can fly/drop in groups with distributed ewar, and that armour fits have 5 mids.

Oh no, I'm not forgetting that part either. I'm just not bothering to argue it, I have at least that much faith in CCP that they have some clue about heavy drones damage application.

Heavy drones do not do half damage to stationary cruisers. This is ridiculous.

You mean exactly like an Ishtar, but with a cloak ?

How does the Deimos compare to the Vigilant which have a 90% web on top ?

"And then Sir Thomas More pointed out that a boy without a winkle is a girl, and everyone was really disappointed."

No, because you cannot BOBS portal an Ishtar.

Since neither the Deimos or Vigilant can fit a COCD, they don't really compare either.

So it's definitely the cloak which scare the **** out of everybody here...

Maybe the kind of cloak BLOBS have would freak people out a little less ? But IMO the point of this cruiser is to "replace" T3 as main combat ship for black ops operations in the future.

Taking away drone bandwith for a laser bonus is doing the ship as an exploration vessel no favor. It only moves it towards buffertanked gankmobile which seems to be feared on this forum anyway (unrightfully so I believe). It also makes this ship way less balanced than in its current state, even though it comes in the disguise of balancing effort here and there...

Why is that ?

Recognize firstly, that a dmg bonus of any decent kind would easily net increase pvp fit dmg output of that ship in the suggested form, especially apllied dmg output. Because this extra gun outshines a single heavy drone easily

Recognize secondly, that we explorers need our highslots for utility and scan. We can't make much use of the weapon bonus ..who can ? Right the pvp oriented roaming ganker, priate, gate camper or whoever..he would jump in cirlces for a 20 % bonus on 4 turrets or something along the line.

Recognize thirdly, that we explorers need sustained and therefore active tanking in our endeavors. Thus we seldom strain ourselves with energy hungry turrets if we do not need to....we need the drones and the drone bonus.

Lastly recognize, that drones are not, have never been and very likely never will be the DOOM and NIGHTMARE of pvp as it was made out by others in this thread. All those paper drafts with 900+ DPS by employing heavy drones need to really be reality checked by their creators.
Who here has heard those glory stories of roaming heavy drone vexors and myrmidons in low sec being the bane of all pilots and totally overpowered...i haven't..you probably neither. Drones are AT BEST a support dps weapon system in all pvp and have ever been. That is why the gank ishtar always racked up as much blasters as it could get and it probably wouldn't attack anything but a BS with heavy drones anyway...instead it most likely will field mediums against most targets.

Again why is the drone bonus nothing to be feared ? Because in all honesty a single smartbomb or emergency warpout ruins your day (or in a deep exploration territory like wormholes your whole weekend..). Can you loose your lasers ? Or blasters or missiles, by warping, cloaking, or other pilots ? Thus vastly reducing your dps without even having to fit any ewar or simply canceling it out completely ? i don't think so.


To be honest a decent pvp fit thorax can propably dismantle a statios just fine...

So can we please stop pretending that Heavy Drone Stratios with a price tag of 400 millions or whatever are going to wreck havoc in eve pvp...

Astero - this is more balanced i feel the -1 mid is for it being a drone boat as even faction droneboats lose 1 slot e.g. NVexor

well they need to lose a slot from somewhere ..

Well it has been brought up and the initial post does suggest that pirate ships are exempt from the slot loss.

but navy aren't .. that makes no sense at all

It makes perfect sense. Pirate faction ships are meta 8. Navy faction ships are only meta 7.

mm.. im not buying it they should be treated equally

Actually, it is suppose to be an exploration ship. Drones happen to be a primary weapons system. Also the premise of the ship is to be far from home for along time thus the ability to carry replacement drones.

It is meant to be an exploration ship. A pirate faction exploration ship.

well they need to lose a slot from somewhere
Well it has been brought up and the initial post does suggest that pirate ships are exempt from the slot loss.

but navy aren't .. that makes no sense at all

It makes perfect sense. Pirate faction ships are meta 8. Navy faction ships are only meta 7.


mm.. im not buying it they should be treated equally

Whether you're buying it or not, it's simply the way the game is structured. Whether you're talking about ships or modules, higher meta level items are superior to lower meta level items.

well this is part of the problem its just promoting power creep like the OP officer/deadspace mods ... i thought CCP were taking a different direction toward role based system across the board ....

well this is part of the problem its just promoting power creep like the OP officer/deadspace mods ... i thought CCP were taking a different direction toward role based system across the board ....

Astero

Role Bonus: 100% reduction in CPU requiement for cloaks
Role Bonus: 37.5% increase Scan Prob Strength (maybe this should be a rounder number? right now it follows the t1 bonus)
Role Bonus: +5 Virus strength for Relic and Data Analyzers

Can fit Cover Ops Cloaking devices

Amarr Frigate Bonus:
4% bonus to Armor Resists

Gallente Frigate Bonus:
20% bonus to drone hitpoints

Slot layout: 2H, 4M, 4L; 2 turrets, 0 launchers
Fittings: 32 PWG, 170 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 540 / 600 / 600
Capacitor (amount) : 430
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 312 / 2.87 / 975000 / 3.88s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 25 / 75
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 37km / 620 / 6
Sensor strength: 13
Signature radius: 35
Cargo Capacity: 210

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Stratios

Role Bonus: 50% reduction in Energy Turret capacitor need
Role Bonus: 37.5% increase Scan Prob Strength (maybe this should be a rounder number? right now it follows the t1 bonus)
Role Bonus: +5 Virus strength for Relic and Data Analyzers

Can fit Cover Ops Cloaking devices

Amarr Cruiser Bonus:
4% bonus to Armor Resists

Gallente Cruiser Bonus:
10% bonus to Drone hitpoints and damage

Slot layout: 5H, 5M, 5L; 4 turrets, 0 launchers
Fittings: 920 PWG, 400 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 1950 / 2400 / 2450
Capacitor (amount) : 1700
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 182 / .47 / 9350000 / 6.09s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 125 / 500
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 55km / 275 / 7
Sensor strength: 20
Signature radius: 150
Cargo Capacity: 550

PICTURES (Sorry don't have in-client shots yet)

These are wonderful and sexy machines which I will gleefully pilot around... but since we don't know what racial resist baseline their armor uses, maybe you could add that to the first post? Little tidbits like that are useful for obsessive must-know-alls like myself and EFT warriors, if nothing else.

This post has been edited for clarification. And, yes, even T1 ships have minor variations in armor resists.

mm.. im not buying it they should be treated equally