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Aprudena Gist Caldari Capital Development and Security Industries	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:11:00 - [691] Originally by: Erozz Edited by: Erozz on 23/10/2007 16:03:16 Originally by: Sandovar What are the panels views on a Passive Raven set up? Raven with "Drake fit" :) 6xArbalest Cruise, 2xDrone link augs (or w/e) 3xLarge extender II, 3x Active Hardeners 2xSPR II, 2xBCS II, 1xPDS II (to offset the cap nerf of the SPRs to allow the 3 hardeners to perma) 3xCDFP rigs 18.5K shields, 85/sec peak. Not bad. You could certainly run some L4 missions in it, but not all. Personally I wouldn't risk it :) to make it close to the tank of a drake you would have to do something like this. 6x Arb's 2xwhatever 3xLSE II 3xActiver hardens (Em/Ken/Thermal) 5xSPR II's 3xPurgers i got something like 18000 sheilds and a peak of about 220.
Pwett Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2007.10.23 22:20:00 - [692] I don't know if those resists would be enough for some spawns. _______________ Pwett CEO and Founder [QTC]QUANT Corp.
Ellinora	Posted - 2007.10.24 04:23:00 - [693] I've used this setup with great success, only has problems with centus/corpum missions(em and therm heavy). 6 arby cruise, tractor beam XL shield II 3 t2 specific hardeners 2 cap recharger II 3 cap flux II 2 BCU II 3 CCC Runs forever, as an example of tank, I tanked pirate slaughter with zero issues. Needs energy management 4, energy systems op 5, shield compensation 5
Erozz	Posted - 2007.10.24 08:20:00 - [694] Originally by: Sandovar Is this any good for lvl 4's pls? 3 x Capacitor Power Relay II Cross-linked Bolt Array I Power Diagnostic System II 2 x Cap Recharger II X-Large C5-L Emergency Shield Overload I 5a Prototype Shield Support I 2 x Rat Specific Hardner (T2) 6 x 'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I 2 x Small Tractor Beam I 3 x Capacitor Control Circuit I Constructive critism welcomed Hi. I'd personally say no. here's why: Don't use CPRs on a Shield boosted setup. It gimps the shield boost considerably. Use 3 PDS II and 2 BCS II in the lows. The PDSs will give you a bonus to both shields and cap. Use 3 or 4 active hardeners. 2 is not enough. Stick a cap recharger or injector+800 in the spare slot if you use 3. Don't use tractors on a mission ship. If you're going to take the trouble to loot you may as well salvage and a Raven is NOT a loot boat! Get a destroyer or battlecruiser and fit it with 4 tractors, 4 salvagers, and AB, MWD, cap rechargers and cargo expanders. turn in the mission and then return to loot. You'll loot a lot faster this way. I guarantee this investment will pay for itself in days. on the 2 last high slots, put either 2 heavy nos's or a nos + drone link augmentor. You didn't mention drones. Always use Drones. Raven can carry 5 lights and 5 meds. train tech 2 and watch them instagib frigates. what with the CPRs and CRs etc I get the impression you're trying to get your setup to "perma-run". Before i did level 4s i stressed a lot about this but soon learned you don't need to perma-run. You can just cycle the booster. hope this helps!
evriss	Posted - 2007.10.24 08:22:00 - [695] Edited by: evriss on 24/10/2007 08:23:54 Originally by: Pwett I don't know if those resists would be enough for some spawns. what resists? :)
Belce Caldari ADAMA Corps Division of Eden	Posted - 2007.10.31 04:37:00 - [696] One of the things that always seems to be missing from these what should I do for x purpose threads is a discussion on what the particuliar ship does well. Within this thread you will see requests about passive tanking shields or armor tanking and I think that having a post that says, look this is what the ship can do very well based on its stats before you apply your learned skills. Also I think that later ships like a battleship should also include some resoect for what ship players are coming from and in the case of the Raven it would be a Drake or Ferox most times. The Raven and the Drake are two very different ships that accomplish wht they do very differently. The big difference is the size and recharge rate of the Raven's capcitor compared to the the Drake's shield size and recharge. Throw in the resist bonus for the BC compared to none for the Raven and since both platforms don't really need cap to do damage you want big shields and resists for the BC and big resists and shield rep for the Raven. When you add a large shield extender to a Drake you add much to its shield and therefore its points of shield regen per sec, if you add the same to a Raven, it is a small improvement. Using 3 or 4 active hardeners on a Raven is trivial compared to the cost of the same on a Drake's cap. With a Raven and its tank you will use large or x-large shield boosters and amp for shield boost, you want active hardeners for best resists and maybe a cap recharge. This is done as needed and not automatically. You boost shield and cap as needed rather than on auto. For low slots you want a balance between bcs's and pds's to improve damage and cap recharge, for rigs the same. Success with the Raven is dependent on the use of cap, its big and meaty, recharges quick out of the store. Apply your skills for best results. Truth is Truth
Pwett Minmatar QUANT Corp. QUANT Hegemony	Posted - 2007.10.31 05:11:00 - [697] Very well said, Belca _______________ Pwett CEO, Founder, & Executor <Q> QUANT Hegemony
Belce Caldari ADAMA Corps Division of Eden	Posted - 2007.10.31 05:29:00 - [698] I really think that these and other what you should equip threads should have a the strength of this ship is like in the Raven its cap and what it can be used for. Truth is Truth
Dragy Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2007.11.04 19:19:00 - [699] is me setup good ? here it goes : 6 cruise 2 nos x-large shield booster 3 rat specific hardeners 2 cap recharger 3 capacitor flux coil 2 balistic control system 3x ccc rig cap : 4078 recharge : 116s good good ?
snafu 2	Posted - 2007.11.05 15:36:00 - [700] What are the opinions of what effect the changes on torps is going to make on mission running and even 0.0 ratting in a Raven?
Dragy Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy	Posted - 2007.11.05 16:26:00 - [701] Originally by: snafu 2 What are the opinions of what effect the changes on torps is going to make on mission running and even 0.0 ratting in a Raven? Tbh i'm happy as hell. That change was the best thing that could have been done to caldari. Our ships were always treated like low-pve ships with good tanks and ****ty dps. Now it has changed. Mission runners and npcs have worse times, but finally caldari bs's have good dps potencial and faction bs's are in line with other, when before the changes they were called : perfect pve ships
Tallann	Posted - 2007.11.05 21:25:00 - [702] Edited by: Tallann on 05/11/2007 21:25:17 The question seems to be this for me: We have 6 mids and 5 lows, and we want to get the best combination of tank and gank that can be actually fit. Assuming Max skills(obviously few if any have the maxed relevant skills) and 3x CCC It seems to me that we almost definitely want to use 1BCU and 3 rat specific hardeners.(If your tanking both EM and Thermal your two naturally lowest possibly 4) So that leaves 3 mids, and 4 lows to make the strongest combination of boosters/amps/cfc/cpr/pds/cap recharger/extra bcu. If you can get a Gist XL booster that makes it a lot easier since it consumes considerably less cap, with roughly the same boost as a t2. A tad expensive though. I don't seem to see the ultimate use in the PDU's, they add a negligable amount of cap, powergrid that doesn't seem necessary if your using cruises, and about 10dps tankable per unit with good resists. This is my opinion obviously, but i just don't see the value when the numbers are actually put into EFT. This is in addition to the 1xbcu/3x hardener Mid 2x Shield Boost Amp II's 1x XL shield Boost 2 Low 3x Cpr 2 1x PDU 2 This gives from 650ish(EM/Thermal swap a amplifier for another hardener) to 1100ish(explosive + kinetic) dps tankable depending on the 2 damage types and a permarunning capacitor. So a Final build of 6x Arbi Siege 3x t2 hardener 2x t2 Shield boost amps 1x t2 Shield Boost 1x BCU 3x cpr 2 1x pds 2 It fits very easily, with only a few levels in WU and electronics, and permaruns everything. I don't like limiting builds, but if someone more experienced with shields can come up with better dps tankable without using Gist/Pith XL boosters, and without using a cap booster. Am I waaay off here? Many of the builds I have seen tank absolutely pathetic dps, and can't sustain cap so they can't run the shield booster all the time.
Aprudena Gist Caldari Capital Development and Security Industries	Posted - 2007.11.06 04:35:00 - [703] recently i've started to run into those mutli-damage types missions alot and came up with a new config for it 6x Arb Torps 1xX-Large Booster II 2xInvunerabilty Field II's 2xSBA II's 1xCap Recharger II 1xBCU II 4xCFC II 3xCCC has a perm run tank 48.3 EM 58.6 Therm 69.0 Kenetic 78.4 Explosive
Aurora Tagan Viziam	Posted - 2007.11.06 08:43:00 - [704] Edited by: Aurora Tagan on 06/11/2007 08:43:05 Here's hoping the Raven is still the level 4 win ship? I was tempted to buy an abaddon seeing as my ammar skills are next to maxed....but . Did I do the right thing and buy the Raven? Also which works better, cap flux or pdu's? I see many are going for flux over pdu's. --
Dangerously Cheesey GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.11.06 17:28:00 - [705] Its been a few months but this is what I used to run with... 6x Arby Cruise 1x Salvager 1x Tractor Beam 1x T2 X-Large Shield Booster 1x Caldari Navy SBA 4x T2 Resists (Some combination of resist specific or invuls depending on mission) 2x BCU 2x PDU 1x Best Named DC Works just fine.
svedas	Posted - 2007.11.06 19:58:00 - [706] Hello people :) I'm doing 4 lvl mission with dominix, it's not bad tank and drone dps. But i tired playing with dominix, so now learning caldary skills for Raven. I love effect explosion of torpedos :D And how i read little abaut raven, what he good tank and very good DPS :) So what you recomend skill and what fit, my drones: T2 and cap recharge is hight :) shield medium, can use t2 hardener.. rocket: heavy... Thx for help and sorry for poor english
Pew Reynolds	Posted - 2007.11.08 12:43:00 - [707] Raven Navy Setup (Level 4 Missions) Any critisms or advice would be happily recieved.. Thanks High 7x Cruise Launchers 1x Heavy Energy Vampire Mid 1x Invulnerability Hardener 2x Rat Specific Hardeners 1x X-Large Shield Booster 1x Shield Boost Amplifier 1x Large Capacitor Battery Low 3x Power Diagnostic Units 2x Ballistic Control Units Rigs 3x Semiconductor Memory
Sikakuhc Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.11.08 17:18:00 - [708] My setup 6x Arbalest Cruiser 1x Drone Link Augmentor 1x Heavy Nosferatu 1x X-Large Shield Booster II 3x Rat Specific Hardener 1x Large Shield Booster 1x Cap Recharger II 3x Capacitor Power Relay II 2x Ballistic Control System II 3x CCC Rigs ************** Can Perma-Tank with this setup, still working on my skills.
diska Caldari Heavy Industry INC	Posted - 2007.11.09 13:14:00 - [709] Sikakuhc, I`m not sure that you correct with fitting two SB: XL and L, their both can end your cap with 1-2 minutes. If you fit Large Capacitor Battery II (not even need, just let it be), you can get an infinite shieldboost. Best way for Raven, to have the infinite shield tank with very good defence, is to fit Deadspace equipment. For your fit, omni defence is about 350+, and simple changing SB to one of Gist XL series, can raise defence up to 750+ My personal setup: High: 6x Arbalest Cruise I, 2x 425 mm Scout hybrids Med: Gist A-type XL SB, Caldari NAVY SBA, 2x Invuls, 2x Cap recharger II Low: 2x PDU II, 3x Ballistic Control II Rig: 3x CCC omni defence is about 630 dps with my skills. With the next changes: Low: 3x PDU II, 1x Damage Control II, 1x Bal.Con II, defence is about 723. It`s much better than my passive shield Drake, which can easy tank any 4 lvl miss. I can raise defence even more, if change Invuls II to Caldari Navy ones.
Lucas Edge	Posted - 2007.11.09 15:21:00 - [710] The problem with the Gist Types is they cost 1+ BILL! Most players here who are questioning a setup (myself included) are new(ish) to the game, thus the reason for asking here anyway. So you can be sure that most of us aren't going to have a billion to throw around on a module that can still be lost if the ship gets destroyed. After a year or more of playing IÆm sure the gist types will be feasible especially if 0.0 ratting yields one from a wreck (highly doubtful but after years of playing, this is certainly possible). The best thing for a newer player (less than 1 year old) is probably a Caldari Navy XL booster because it can be bought with around 60000 LPs or for 100mil isk which is much more reasonable than 1 bil (1.5bil for the gist x-types!). I really donÆt think the very mention of the gist types should be brought up here anymore because itÆs quit pointless and any info on them has already been exhausted. -just my 2 iskies
Elsism	Posted - 2007.11.13 21:24:00 - [711] Originally by: Tallann Edited by: Tallann on 05/11/2007 21:25:17 Am I waaay off here? Many of the builds I have seen tank absolutely pathetic dps, and can't sustain cap so they can't run the shield booster all the time. It's been said time an time again in this thread that you don't need a setup that you can just turn on and forget about. It's not exactly a chore to turn on your booster as and when it's required.
Kitty N	Posted - 2007.11.14 03:57:00 - [712] Why not stick to the tried and tested: 6 x Cruise launcher II 1 x Heavy Diminishing Nos 1 x XL SB II 1 x Shield Amp II 4 x Active Shield Hardener II's 3 x BCS II 1 x CPU II 1 x PDS II 3 x CCC Rigs Good damage, Plenty Cap for Tanking + NOS for extra Works fine for all Level 4's, just swap out the hardeners according to the Mission. If you can't fit it, get those skills training!
Jenah Torell Caldari Damned Legion	Posted - 2007.11.14 11:04:00 - [713] Ive been running lvl 4's for quite some time now and have settles with the shield tank an run the following on a standard Raven: lows Damage Control II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II mids Caldari Navy X-Large Shield Booster Dread Guristas Magnetic Scattering Amplifier Dread Guristas Heat Dissipation Amplifier Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field Dread Guristas Kinetic Deflection Amplifier Dread Guristas Magnetic Scattering Amplifier highs 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher 'Arbalest' Siege Missile Launcher Drone Link Augmentor I Dread Guristas Large Graviton Smartbomb rigs Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I Core Defence Field Purger I drones 7 x Hammerhead II's The only warp out I had was in Enemies Abound 5/5 which I can now complete by swapping a shield amp for a 100 Afterburner. I get all round resists of around the 80% mark but can be changed depending on what mission you are running to make this more 88/90% focused on primary/secondary damage taken
Gefex	Posted - 2007.11.14 15:17:00 - [714] Originally by: Lucas Edge The problem with the Gist Types is they cost 1+ BILL! Most players here who are questioning a setup (myself included) are new(ish) to the game, thus the reason for asking here anyway. So you can be sure that most of us aren't going to have a billion to throw around on a module that can still be lost if the ship gets destroyed. They are a lot less common now due to the fact that the complexes are harder to find. They don't drop from rats, only deadspaces afaik. I bought one about eight months ago for just over 100m, its now worth 950m. Thats some inflation.
Jezabel2	Posted - 2007.11.14 15:19:00 - [715] Originally by: Aurora Tagan Edited by: Aurora Tagan on 06/11/2007 08:43:05 Here's hoping the Raven is still the level 4 win ship? I was tempted to buy an abaddon seeing as my ammar skills are next to maxed....but . Did I do the right thing and buy the Raven? Also which works better, cap flux or pdu's? I see many are going for flux over pdu's. The abaddon slaughters Blood raider/ sansha missions better than any other ship, else than that go with the raven.
L0st S0ul Caldari	Posted - 2007.11.16 13:19:00 - [716] I'm about to buy a Raven tonight to do level 4 missions with. Although this is not my thread I'd like to thank people for posting with setups and reasons, this is going to help me a lot along with the ship setup index. ----------------------------------------------- Come on you apes, you wanna live forever?
diska Caldari Heavy Industry INC	Posted - 2007.11.16 13:51:00 - [717] L0st S0ul, good luck to you with your first 4 lvl. Dont make my mistakes, and don`t try to perform any 4 lvl without having some knowledge about what awaiting you there. Read carefully http://eve-survival.org/missions/ And if you can`t to finish with your Raven, try to use passive shield tank Drake. With small amount of your SP, it can survive longer, because no capacitor need.
Mike Vandenberg	Posted - 2007.11.16 17:07:00 - [718] Edited by: Mike Vandenberg on 16/11/2007 17:11:44 CNR active or passive shielding? I've done lvl3s in a Drake so far, and just copied the fitting which served me pretty well there to the CNR. I'd like to fly my CNR into lvl4 missions with the following passive shield setup (I will exchange the T2 modules with Caldari Navy modules as I get the LPs for them): High: 7x Arbalest Cruise Launchers, 1x Drone Augmentation Link Mid: 3x Large Shield Extender II 3x Shield Hardeners II as required by missions Low: 2x Power Diagnostic System II 1x Ballistic Control System II 1x Shield Power Relay II 1x Damage Control II Rigs: 3x Capacitor Control Circuit I Drones: 5x med scout drones according to race 5x small tracking disrupter drones With this setup I have more then 26,000 shield (and over 50,000 HP shield + Armor + Structure), with a rechargerate of 1193 sec. The SPR reduces the Capacitor (5,857) recharge to 641 sec, what should be more then sufficient to keep the hardeners running. Since I mostly see fittings with Shield Boosters, I'm wondering what the advantage is of a shield booster setup compared to my shield extender setup. Mike Vandenberg This pilot will be sold in Spring 2008! Klick here for skills and stats!
twelvea Minmatar	Posted - 2007.11.16 19:06:00 - [719] Originally by: Mike Vandenberg Edited by: Mike Vandenberg on 16/11/2007 17:11:44 Since I mostly see fittings with Shield Boosters, I'm wondering what the advantage is of a shield booster setup compared to my shield extender setup. Mike Vandenberg The difference is that a raven with a shield booster will tank a hell of a lot more damage than a passive setup. If you use that setup in level 4s you'll get popped pretty quick. Just a comparison: your setup would tank about 250-300 dps against guristas. The average T2 booster setup tanks 4 times that.
girlybabe	Posted - 2007.11.17 09:03:00 - [720] Forgot to tell that the 6 siege launchers are Caldari Siege launchers and require 75 CPU.

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