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Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 9169	Posted - 2014.12.20 17:39:20 - [1231] - Quote Crosi Wesdo wrote: fanboys . 1st of all, no one is telling anyone to not question something. You can question all you like. In this case, your questioning isn't questioning, it's pleading a case for not adding value to combat recon ships. Just wanted to illustrate the word In quoted. It's irratating when people use that word on a forum you have to PAY (either in plex or cash) to be able to post on. Somehow, people who use that word use it to suggest that others are blindly following CCP....while those same posters are blindly PAYING CCP MONEY. If you don't like CCP (or specific devs like Rise) why in hell are you continuing to give them money that they can use to further screw you over in the game they make lol?
Kaarous Aldurald Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 10864	Posted - 2014.12.20 17:40:56 - [1232] - Quote Crosi Wesdo wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Crosi Wesdo wrote: Impling that recons are a panacea for low sp toons to escape the tedium of being killed by kiters is so dumb im amazed you said it since recons are not well known for their low sp demands. Good thing I didn't actually say that. What I said was that if the Chicken Littles are correct and somehow Recons not being unviable somehow ruins kiting, that it's not a bad thing because kiting chokes out the little guy, and discourages people from taking fights. But recons that can warp in to a plex and create a 180km killzone dont kill new guys?, more than that they come with far less warning. Pretty sure this is a magnification of your objection to kiting so ill assume you agree with me about ninja recons. What on earth is wrong with being hunted? That's a great thing, it will let people kill the freaking faction warfare farmers for once since their d-scan bots won't detect combat recons. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
hellokittyonline Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 97	Posted - 2014.12.20 17:41:42 - [1233] - Quote Crosi Wesdo wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: hellokittyonline wrote: Are you blatantly not reading anything anyone is posting? Also its quite clear that you have no idea what you're talking about. First of all my algos/tristan/dessy/frig is not going to have the cpu for a probe launcher. Second what fights are going on at moons? None... or pos bashes... i'm not solo bashing a pos. And third the REASON that solo PvPers fight in plexes is not because that's all they know, it's because a plex has advantages for a solo player that open space does not (IE: you cannot warp to fleet mates outside or inside of a FW plex) I should not have to have an alt to play "solo" in this game. There it is. Talk to someone long enough, they will reveal the unreasonable sense of entitlement fueling their anger. CCP never promised anyone they could play this game 100% the way they want to at all times. If they did, I'd be running incursions and C6 complexes solo lol. This is the actual truth of EVE, but if you want to 'solo', you still can, just figure out new ways to do it. The fun part of games for well adjusted people is learning and doing new things and facing challenges (the fun part for maladjusted people is 'must win all the time'). What CCP is doing is going to be fun for lots of people. i'm sorry if you're not one of them but that's on you brother. Thats the smarmiest argument for a bait and switch scam ive heard today. CCP builds a game then changes a core rule and fanboys expect people not to question it lol. It's just a cop out because the argument I made was too strong and he/she has run out of ammunition due to his/her obvious lack of game knowledge. If subbing another account is what you call "adapting" then I'll see you in No Man's Sky.
Kaarous Aldurald Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 10864	Posted - 2014.12.20 17:43:31 - [1234] - Quote hellokittyonline wrote: It's just a cop out because the argument I made was too strong and he/she has run out of ammunition due to his/her obvious lack of game knowledge. If subbing another account is what you call "adapting" then I'll see you in No Man's Sky. I personally suggest Elite Dangerous instead. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Tuscor United System's Commonwealth 86	Posted - 2014.12.20 17:43:39 - [1235] - Quote great changes, looking forward to them going live. please stay strong on the scan immunity! T
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 9169	Posted - 2014.12.20 17:43:50 - [1236] - Quote Thanatos Marathon wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Crosi Wesdo wrote: Pubquiz, which cov ops cloak has no deactivation delay. Im looking for a ship class and bonus points for telling me why on earth would i be bothered by one of them tackling me. So you have yet to meet an ASB Stealth bomber that could hold you long enough for something else to decloak and kill you. Got it. As i said, I get it, you don't like it. Tough for you, if history (of CCP and Rise) is the guide, this will happen. You choice is adapt or unsub. Thus Combat Recons Online. Then bookmark this page. if that happens i'll come back here and say I was wrong. Will you and the other take the same challenge? Sidenote, I offered the same challenge to the people in the Faction BS and Pirate ship reblance threads. Not.a.single.one has shown up to admit they were wrong yet, so i do't hold much hope here either.
Thanatos Marathon Phoibe Enterprises 372	Posted - 2014.12.20 17:44:47 - [1237] - Quote FTFY Kaarous Aldural [i wrote: Gate camps, suicide ganking, and hot dropping people haven't been enough to wipe out solo/micro gang combat yet in FW. Why not see if un-dscannable Combat Recons with better stats can do the job? Even if it doesn't, at least we can keep those filthy solo pvpers out of medium and large plexes! [/i]
hellokittyonline Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 97	Posted - 2014.12.20 17:45:55 - [1238] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: hellokittyonline wrote: It's just a cop out because the argument I made was too strong and he/she has run out of ammunition due to his/her obvious lack of game knowledge. If subbing another account is what you call "adapting" then I'll see you in No Man's Sky. I personally suggest Elite Dangerous instead. They'll have to make so HEFTY changes to the multiplayer aspect of the game before I can justify spending money on it.
Kaarous Aldurald Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 10864	Posted - 2014.12.20 17:45:59 - [1239] - Quote Besides, how in the name of Zeus does this "kill solo"? It buffs solo a fair bit, since you can hunt people wtih Combat Recons now, with some actual potency. Hunting ratters for example just got a lot easier, ditto hunting wormhole bears. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Thanatos Marathon Phoibe Enterprises 372	Posted - 2014.12.20 17:46:23 - [1240] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Thanatos Marathon wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: Crosi Wesdo wrote: Pubquiz, which cov ops cloak has no deactivation delay. Im looking for a ship class and bonus points for telling me why on earth would i be bothered by one of them tackling me. So you have yet to meet an ASB Stealth bomber that could hold you long enough for something else to decloak and kill you. Got it. As i said, I get it, you don't like it. Tough for you, if history (of CCP and Rise) is the guide, this will happen. You choice is adapt or unsub. Thus Combat Recons Online. Then bookmark this page. if that happens i'll come back here and say I was wrong. Will you and the other take the same challenge? Sidenote, I offered the same challenge to the people in the Faction BS and Pirate ship reblance threads. Not.a.single.one has shown up to admit they were wrong yet, so i do't hold much hope here either. Yup, I'll gladly eat crow if FW lowsec space doesn't turn into Combat Recons Online. I doubt it will expand beyond that a hell of a lot cuz HACs, BS's, and CAPs will still be better for structure fights. I have no idea about WH's as I've only just started exploring them myself.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 9172	Posted - 2014.12.20 17:46:25 - [1241] - Quote hellokittyonline wrote: It's just a cop out because the argument I made was too strong and he/she has run out of ammunition due to his/her obvious lack of game knowledge. If subbing another account is how I'm expected to "adapt" in this game then I'll see you in No Man's Sky. ROFL, I bet you're one of those "No Man's Sky is gonna kill EVE" types too. Sidenote, going to play a game you actually like (until the No Man's Sky Devs rebalance you out of your comfort zone that is) is a great way to adapt .
Crosi Wesdo War and Order 1273	Posted - 2014.12.20 17:46:28 - [1242] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Crosi Wesdo wrote: fanboys . 1st of all, no one is telling anyone to not question something. You can question all you like. In this case, your questioning isn't questioning, it's pleading a case for not adding value to combat recon ships. Just wanted to illustrate the word In quoted. It's irratating when people use that word on a forum you have to PAY (either in plex or cash) to be able to post on. Somehow, people who use that word use it to suggest that others are blindly following CCP....while those same posters are blindly PAYING CCP MONEY. If you don't like CCP (or specific devs like Rise) why in hell are you continuing to give them money that they can use to further screw you over in the game they make lol? Just like people complaining about incarna were just pleading for ccp to not add value to the game. The major problem here is you are apologising for ccp decisions in a discussion thread. There really isnt any problem with you putting your opinion forwards about liking it. Many people have done so and peaced out of the thread. The problem is that you seem to want to give feedback on other peoples feedback which makes you come off as a fan boy. You start an argument with someone then complain that they are arguing. Its pretty sad but standard on most forums today. And as i have already said, i will take advantage of these mechanics to the maximum. Exactly like i do with all other mechanics. Perhaps you capacity in game or imagination isnt as developed as mine but i can see this leading to a lot of pointless effortless ganks on a small pvp scale and a lot of fights are gonna come down to recon escalations if they have time to escalate at all. Now, what would be better than misrepresenting what i am saying in yet another post, is you commenting here about how whatever changes ccp make you are there, a willing soldier, rain or shine ready to accept even the worst changes in mechanics and we can all get on with it :)
Bakuhz Ebon Cartel Ebon Pestilence 167	Posted - 2014.12.20 17:47:37 - [1243] - Quote My Precious https://zkillboard.com/character/584042527/
Crosi Wesdo War and Order 1273	Posted - 2014.12.20 17:50:02 - [1244] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Crosi Wesdo wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Crosi Wesdo wrote: Impling that recons are a panacea for low sp toons to escape the tedium of being killed by kiters is so dumb im amazed you said it since recons are not well known for their low sp demands. Good thing I didn't actually say that. What I said was that if the Chicken Littles are correct and somehow Recons not being unviable somehow ruins kiting, that it's not a bad thing because kiting chokes out the little guy, and discourages people from taking fights. But recons that can warp in to a plex and create a 180km killzone dont kill new guys?, more than that they come with far less warning. Pretty sure this is a magnification of your objection to kiting so ill assume you agree with me about ninja recons. What on earth is wrong with being hunted? That's a great thing, it will let people kill the freaking faction warfare farmers for once since their d-scan bots won't detect combat recons. Its a hell of a trade off to kill a few 300k isk stabbed farmers. The fact that is your aspiration says quite a lot.
Kaarous Aldurald Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 10864	Posted - 2014.12.20 17:51:19 - [1245] - Quote Crosi Wesdo wrote: Just like people complaining about incarna were just pleading for ccp to not add value to the game. What? Protesting against pay to win/flushing years of dev time on a tech demo has nothing whatsoever to do with ship rebalancing. Totally incomparable things. Quote: The problem is that you seem to want to give feedback on other peoples feedback which makes you come off as a fan boy. Telling you that the sky isn't falling doesn't exactly qualify anyone as a fanboy. In fact, calling someone a "fanboy" is pretty much the biggest copout that exists in contemporary forum discourse. It's basically saying "I can't stand disagreement so I want to apply a negative label to try and silence them", and it's ******* pathetic. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
hellokittyonline Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 99	Posted - 2014.12.20 17:53:11 - [1246] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: Besides, how in the name of Zeus does this "kill solo"? It buffs solo a fair bit, since you can hunt people wtih Combat Recons now, with some actual potency. Hunting ratters for example just got a lot easier, ditto hunting wormhole bears. It doesn't kill it, but it's definitely one more coolbro trap I'm going to have to endure, which there are already too many of (carrier drone asist, offgrid links on solo garmurs [as if they needed it], ect.), which is insanely frustrating. The main problem is if I warp into a plex thinking I'm getting a fairly even fight, there's no course of action I can take against there being an dscan immune recon on the inside of said plex. Furthermore if I'm in a plex and someone warps in on me, theres no warning of the dscan immune recon warping in. Honestly there's just no downside or balancing point. The covert recons drop cloak on the gate, have a locking delay, and have to fit an extra module in the highs. Just flat out balance-wise this makes the covert recons nearly 100% inferior in the few cases where they are currently used and gives the combat-recons an unnecessary buff even though they're already the ones that people actually use (at least in low sec).
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 9172	Posted - 2014.12.20 17:53:26 - [1247] - Quote Crosi Wesdo wrote: You start an argument with someone then complain that they are arguing. The denial and use of defense mechanisms is strong here. I wasn't the one who started the ball rolling by using a derogatory term (fanboy) or claiming that someone else's perspective was invlaid because of killboard stats. That, sir was you. In any event, this is gonna happen, more so because knowing Rise as we do (and his penchant for sticking to his guns) postings like yours just helped solidify his position. Therefore, thank you Crosi for you help in making D-Scan immune combat recons a reality Peace....out...
Kaarous Aldurald Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 10864	Posted - 2014.12.20 17:54:11 - [1248] - Quote Crosi Wesdo wrote: Its a hell of a trade off to kill a few 300k isk stabbed farmers. The fact that is your aspiration says quite a lot. Nothing of value is being lost, and my range of targets increases considerably. What's not to like? And yes, I like killing bots, it's why I donate to CODE. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Thanatos Marathon Phoibe Enterprises 372	Posted - 2014.12.20 17:55:16 - [1249] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: lots of stuff Hows that worm fit with the combat probes coming along?
Kaarous Aldurald Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 10864	Posted - 2014.12.20 17:57:37 - [1250] - Quote hellokittyonline wrote: It doesn't kill it, but it's definitely one more coolbro trap I'm going to have to endure, which there are already too many of (carrier drone asist, offgrid links on solo garmurs [as if they needed it], ect.), which is insanely frustrating. Two of those things almost certainly should not exist. Viable recons almost certainly should. Quote: The main problem is if I warp into a plex thinking I'm getting a fairly even fight, there's no course of action I can take against there being an dscan immune recon on the inside of said plex. There are several. You just reject them because you think refusing to play an MMO with other people somehow makes you better than other people. Quote: Furthermore if I'm in a plex and someone warps in on me, theres no warning of the dscan immune recon warping in. See the above. Quote: Honestly there's just no downside or balancing point. Yeah, actually there is. It's just "cloak lite", giving you similar functionality while in warp but not on grid. The only major benefit is in fitting, which really doesn't mean much since most ships that fit cloaks do so with a fitting bonus anyway. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
hellokittyonline Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 99	Posted - 2014.12.20 18:06:24 - [1251] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: hellokittyonline wrote: It doesn't kill it, but it's definitely one more coolbro trap I'm going to have to endure, which there are already too many of (carrier drone asist, offgrid links on solo garmurs [as if they needed it], ect.), which is insanely frustrating. Two of those things almost certainly should not exist. Viable recons almost certainly should. Quote: The main problem is if I warp into a plex thinking I'm getting a fairly even fight, there's no course of action I can take against there being an dscan immune recon on the inside of said plex. There are several. You just reject them because you think refusing to play an MMO with other people somehow makes you better than other people. Quote: Furthermore if I'm in a plex and someone warps in on me, theres no warning of the dscan immune recon warping in. See the above. Quote: Honestly there's just no downside or balancing point. Yeah, actually there is. It's just "cloak lite", giving you similar functionality while in warp but not on grid. The only major benefit is in fitting, which really doesn't mean much since most ships that fit cloaks do so with a fitting bonus anyway. I do actually fly in gangs, albeit small gangs. The main reason I fly solo or in small gangs is because I am looking for a challenge. I like to find challenges where my ability as a PvPer can surmount numbers, however with improper intel, and no way for me or my small gang to gain intel (aside from yet again one of us having a probing alt or shudders BEING the probing alt and we generally fly frigs and dessies because we have a lot of newbros so fitting a probe launcher isn't going to happen) it just gives another unneeded advantage to all the coolbros who want to pay to win. Dscan immunity not having some features of the covert cloak is not a downside. It is merely a(n arguably) lesser upside with no downside.
Kaarous Aldurald Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 10866	Posted - 2014.12.20 18:13:12 - [1252] - Quote hellokittyonline wrote: I do actually fly in gangs, albeit small gangs. The main reason I fly solo or in small gangs is because I am looking for a challenge. I however like to find challenges where my ability as a PvPer can surmount numbers, however with improper intel, and no way for me or my small gang to gain intel (aside from yet again one of us having a probing alt or shudders BEING the probing alt) it just gives another unneeded advantage to all the coolbros who want to pay to win. Dscan immunity not having some features of the covert cloak is not a downside. It is merely a(n arguably) lesser upside with no downside. If you fly in gangs then there is no problem. Your scout should have probes and a cloak anyway. Probes negate it's distance advantage, and having eyes on grid with a cloak shows you what's on grid waiting for you. Probes literally take seconds to get the same intel you would have gotten out of d-scan. So why all the "if you make me get another account I'll unsub and go play something else"? "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
maCH'EttE Mafia Redux 133	Posted - 2014.12.20 18:19:46 - [1253] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: hellokittyonline wrote: I do actually fly in gangs, albeit small gangs. The main reason I fly solo or in small gangs is because I am looking for a challenge. I however like to find challenges where my ability as a PvPer can surmount numbers, however with improper intel, and no way for me or my small gang to gain intel (aside from yet again one of us having a probing alt or shudders BEING the probing alt) it just gives another unneeded advantage to all the coolbros who want to pay to win. Dscan immunity not having some features of the covert cloak is not a downside. It is merely a(n arguably) lesser upside with no downside. If you fly in gangs then there is no problem. Your scout should have probes and a cloak anyway. Probes negate it's distance advantage, and having eyes on grid with a cloak shows you what's on grid waiting for you. Probes literally take seconds to get the same intel you would have gotten out of d-scan. So why all the "if you make me get another account I'll unsub and go play something else"? I swear you must fly in large gangs, cuz your repetitive lip keeps saying, probes, probes, scouts, probes, probe scout, scout with combat probes, combat probes. you must not have a clue on how small gangs or solo combat works. Some people dont have the luxory of flying in 20+ gangs with links/sout/logi/ecm. wait let me guess, get a cloaky scout with probes.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 9175	Posted - 2014.12.20 18:20:28 - [1254] - Quote Thanatos Marathon wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: lots of stuff Hows that worm fit with the combat probes coming along? It came along fine once I installed a "I am not the only person flying" module ie a friend in a ship with combat probes. Or did I miss the memo from CCP that said you can do everything you want with 1 frigate sized ship and be safe from advanced CRUISERS like Combat Recons?
hellokittyonline Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 100	Posted - 2014.12.20 18:21:09 - [1255] - Quote Because small gangs do not have the manpower to suffice sacrificing another gun for a covert-ops scanner. Also because not a single PvPer I know out here wants to fly a cov-ops scanner in a PvP roam. I didn't say that, though I may not have been 100% clear. Here's what I meant. If subbing another account is how CCP expects me to PvP and continues making changes on that notion I will be forced to play a spaceshippewpew game where that is not the case as I cannot afford more than 1 sub.
hellokittyonline Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 100	Posted - 2014.12.20 18:23:30 - [1256] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Thanatos Marathon wrote: Jenn aSide wrote: lots of stuff Hows that worm fit with the combat probes coming along? It came along fine once I installed a "I am not the only person flying" module ie a friend in a ship with combat probes. Or did I miss the memo from CCP that said you can do everything you want with 1 frigate sized ship and be safe from advanced CRUISERS like Combat Recons? No you missed the memo where CCP said that to have the ability to pick fights intelligently you now need either a scanning alt or one of your friends (who is playing the game for pvp) has to fly around a scan ship instead.
Joshua Milton Blahyi Therapists Inc 54	Posted - 2014.12.20 18:23:56 - [1257] - Quote maCH'EttE wrote: Kaarous Aldurald wrote: hellokittyonline wrote: I do actually fly in gangs, albeit small gangs. The main reason I fly solo or in small gangs is because I am looking for a challenge. I however like to find challenges where my ability as a PvPer can surmount numbers, however with improper intel, and no way for me or my small gang to gain intel (aside from yet again one of us having a probing alt or shudders BEING the probing alt) it just gives another unneeded advantage to all the coolbros who want to pay to win. Dscan immunity not having some features of the covert cloak is not a downside. It is merely a(n arguably) lesser upside with no downside. If you fly in gangs then there is no problem. Your scout should have probes and a cloak anyway. Probes negate it's distance advantage, and having eyes on grid with a cloak shows you what's on grid waiting for you. Probes literally take seconds to get the same intel you would have gotten out of d-scan. So why all the "if you make me get another account I'll unsub and go play something else"? I swear you must fly in large gangs, cuz your repetitive lip keeps saying, probes, probes, scouts, probes, probe scout, scout with combat probes, combat probes. you must not have a clue on how small gangs or solo combat works. Some people dont have the luxory of flying in 20+ gangs with links/sout/logi/ecm. wait let me guess, get a cloaky scout with probes. Confessor. Has probes, DPS, can hide in small pieces away from scary recons.
Kaarous Aldurald Lords.Of.Midnight The Devil's Warrior Alliance 10866	Posted - 2014.12.20 18:24:15 - [1258] - Quote maCH'EttE wrote: I swear you must fly in large gangs, cuz your repetitive lip keeps saying, probes, probes, scouts, probes, probe scout, scout with combat probes, combat probes. you must not have a clue on how small gangs or solo combat works. Some people dont have the luxory of flying in 20+ gangs with links/sout/logi/ecm. wait let me guess, get a cloaky scout with probes. Devils usually flies less than a dozen people. In our "stream snipe" of Lazarus Telraven the other day, we flew a smaller handful of pilots. We somehow manage to have scouts and eyes where we need them with little trouble. But all of your "I shouldn't have to" just exposes how fat and comfortable you've gotten with d-scan providing such perfect intel. Something comes along that bypasses that otherwise perfect trick, and you lot lose your freaking minds. What is wrong with your attitude? All I can think of for these ships is how much fun I will have hunting people in a Curse. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 9175	Posted - 2014.12.20 18:25:35 - [1259] - Quote maCH'EttE wrote: I swear you must fly in large gangs, cuz your repetitive lip keeps saying, probes, probes, scouts, probes, probe scout, scout with combat probes, combat probes. you must not have a clue on how small gangs or solo combat works. Some people dont have the luxory of flying in 20+ gangs with links/sout/logi/ecm. wait let me guess, get a cloaky scout with probes. Yo Kaarous, notice how these discussions always turn into the same thing whether is miniers whining about ganking or pvp'rs mad about the 'death of solo'? People don't want to have to cooperate with others to achieve their goals and blames CCP for not catering to their anti-social desires. Funny thing is how those same people look down their noses at people who can actually cooperate with others (null "blobbers", CODE, the organized Wormhole groups, goons, Marmite, RvB etc etc)
hellokittyonline Rifterlings Point Blank Alliance 101	Posted - 2014.12.20 18:26:35 - [1260] - Quote Kaarous Aldurald wrote: maCH'EttE wrote: I swear you must fly in large gangs, cuz your repetitive lip keeps saying, probes, probes, scouts, probes, probe scout, scout with combat probes, combat probes. you must not have a clue on how small gangs or solo combat works. Some people dont have the luxory of flying in 20+ gangs with links/sout/logi/ecm. wait let me guess, get a cloaky scout with probes. Devils usually flies less than a dozen people. In our "stream snipe" of Lazarus Telraven the other day, we flew a smaller handful of pilots. We somehow manage to have scouts and eyes where we need them with little trouble. But all of your "I shouldn't have to" just exposes how fat and comfortable you've gotten with d-scan providing such perfect intel. Something comes along that bypasses that otherwise perfect trick, and you lot lose your freaking minds. What is wrong with your attitude? All I can think of for these ships is how much fun I will have hunting people in a Curse. Something comes along that bypasses that WITH NO DOWNSIDE and takes the place of its counterpart in every situation where I see it used (in lowsec) when said counterpart was already the lesser used of the two.

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