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Joachim LeHigh EnTech Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.03.14 21:53:00 - [571] http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=725351&page=12#345 Read this post for important information on optimizing your computer to run eve smoothly...
Lyra Sy Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.14 21:59:00 - [572] I think ccp has gotten on my last nerve with this last patch. After something like 4 years of play I've cancelled my account. And my second account will likely soon follow. I used to be a game developer, so I'm used to patches taking longer than expected. But the QA on that last patch was almost non-existent. Or you chose to ignore your QA and rush it out anyway. My fps is trashed and I can no longer use the premium graphics on either of my accounts. I had to manually track down and restore my settings files - again! And if I had to guess, I'd say that when you reorganized all that stuff in the Escape menus you broke much of it. I know the station environments are loading even when unchecked and pulling down my frame rate (when I played with the checkbox to verify I had to relog to get it to unload.) Has my LOD secretly been toggled off too? Maybe I'm now at highest graphics settings despite what my graphics tab says? There's a new slew of interface bugs to add to an already laggy, pathetic mess. And now that I think on it, here's some of the issues I've been waiting YEARS(!) for them to fix: When did it become status quo to accept no visual feedback on a ship direction change? So now I have to double click 3 times to make sure one took. Did the first one get eaten by my chat window because it previously had the focus? Or maybe the 2nd one was eaten by my ship because I clicked too close to it and it's just not smart enough to fly straight away from the camera. Or maybe lag got one or all of them? How am I to know with no visual feedback. Make the cursor blink or don't, but do something! It doesn't get anymore basic than moving your ship in space, and frankly your interface is still pure crap at it, and you've had YEARS to fix this. I'm sick and tired of not being able to see if my weapons buttons are lit or not because some background artist thinks every system should be a nebula so bright I feel like I'm always staring directly into the sun! I spend way too much time swiveling the camera away from battle towards the darkest part of space. And why the laggy frame rate? It's true I usually keep the game at max screen resolution to make more room for all my windows. But let face it, when it comes to the 3D rendering, for all the beauty of the premium graphics I really only see it on my own ship. I'm mostly a Caldari missile user, so most ships I fight are 30+ km off. Really, they're just brackets at that point. So shouldn't your graphics LOD be clipping out all that other ship rendering? How about a fleet command mode that makes all visible ships into simple 2d brackets? Wouldn't that make blob warfare at least playable for those with lesser computers? And don't even get me started on the map. The "I'm sorry, I know you had me open just 2 secs ago, but I still need 5 to 10 secs to load, get all new data from the server, because you know that at any moment that star system's sec status might just have changed (heavy sarcasm), and oh I've also forgotten the view location, rotation, and zoom you previously had." map. And the "oh look how much useless info I can spam at your floating cursor" features. But when you stop and actually try to get detailed info on a station in a given system you have to wait another 20 SECONDS before that info will show up. And when it does its going to be in a popup balloon that will inevitably be underneath one of your chat windows. Pure crap! Oh another good one: Placing market orders from space. There's no error. No "you can't do that here" message. No sfx. It just throws the info away, and later your left scratching your head trying to figure out where your order is. And ships going into and coming out of warp sideways? How lame is that? I can guess that at warp-in time, a directional vector might not have been replicated to my cliet yet, but can't you at least have the client make a good starting guess? Pretty graphics don't make up for stupid looking stuff.
Hilbert Space Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.03.14 22:03:00 - [573] The game is not playable after the patch. Framerate is constant at 2 FPS - was at 15-25 FPS before. If i disable 'FixedProgram' in the config file i get over 30 FPS, but the game crashes every 10 seconds. I'm using a macbook. CCP please fix the framerate problem otherwise the game is not playable at all. Thank you.
Andresky Frankfurt Industry and Defence Trust	Posted - 2008.03.14 22:06:00 - [574] Originally by: Joachim LeHigh http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=725351&page=12#345 Read this post for important information on optimizing your computer to run eve smoothly... Why optimizing a PC where EVE was running perfect 2 days before?
Joachim LeHigh EnTech Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.03.14 22:21:00 - [575] Originally by: Andresky Why optimizing a PC where EVE was running perfect 2 days before? Because it's worth a try before you berate CCP for something YOU might be able to fix?
amagonsan Perpetual Reality Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.14 22:31:00 - [576] Edited by: amagonsan on 14/03/2008 22:31:14 Originally by: Princesse Qiao Not sure yet - not been on long enough to test and not going to be atm.. : 1. Alt-tab seems more stable 2. Alt-esc pretty much 100% guaranteed to cause a lockup of even 1 client.. Eum.. Alt-tab crashes the client when running multiple clients on a major part of eve.. i wouldn't call it more stable... Edit: (that would include me)
Soleramnus The Plexus Syndicate The Order of New Eden	Posted - 2008.03.14 22:58:00 - [577] I could not even get the patch to finish updating before it crashed and left me with the (Incompatible Build!) Server Status error. My experience: 1) Auto patcher didn't come up, so I manually downloaded the patch and hit the EXE file, as directed on the website. 2) Manual Patcher failed at the very end. Now I'm left with an out-of-date version; cannot connect. 3) Thankfully, I still had the EVE Premium installer. Reinstalled the whole client (which has now screwed my SSH tunnel, sigh--will probably post for help about that in a different thread). 4) For whatever reason, Auto Patcher appears on this freshly-installed version. That does its thing, and then it fails at the end too. So I'm stuck with the old build, can't connect, and my SSH tunnel setup got messed up in the process. Has anyone else had trouble just trying to install the patch, regardless of what the patch itself has broken/fixed? I respect CCP a lot for all the work they've done on this beautiful game. Kudos to them. But I don't understand how a patch itself can crash before it fixes anything... seems counterintuitive to the whole idea of patching. Is there a patch for the patcher?
ekalami Pixies Under Pressure	Posted - 2008.03.14 23:46:00 - [578] Im sure it wont be helpful, but I too am experiencing such a severe drop in fps, that I cannot imagine trying to use my pvp character. As things stand this boost patch has completely undone all 'the need for speed initiative'. Since the game is actually unplayable (except for market/industrial activities) I guess the best I can do is wish the devs luck in finding the bug as soon as possible. I dont want to read through all 20 pages of this thread, but have the devs acknowledged the existence of the performance bug yet? I would regard this as more serious than a few flaws with tutorial missions which have been acknowledged. The one thing I can smile about (and hope the devs can too), is the irony in the declaration of the patch being 'nerf free'. On the contrary, it appears to have nerfed everything. Even the ability to play.
Kwint Sommer Lothian Quay Industries Otaku Invasion	Posted - 2008.03.14 23:46:00 - [579] Originally by: Soleramnus Edited by: Soleramnus on 14/03/2008 23:05:55 I could not even get the patch to finish updating before it crashed and left me with the (Incompatible Build!) Server Status error. My experience: 1) Auto patcher didn't come up, so I manually downloaded the patch and hit the EXE file, as directed on the website. 2) Manual Patcher failed at the very end. Now I'm left with an out-of-date version; cannot connect. 3) Thankfully, I still had the EVE Premium installer. Reinstalled the whole client (which has now screwed my SSH tunnel, sigh--will probably post for help about that in a different thread). 4) For whatever reason, Auto Patcher appears on this freshly-installed version. That does its thing, and then it fails at the end too. So I'm stuck with the old build, can't connect, and my SSH tunnel setup got messed up in the process. Has anyone else had trouble just trying to install the patch, regardless of what the patch itself has broken/fixed? I respect CCP a lot for all the work they've done on this beautiful game. Kudos to them. But I don't understand how a patch itself can crash before it fixes anything... seems counterintuitive to the whole idea of patching. Is there a patch for the patcher? EDIT: Tried the Auto Patcher again, got this error: VERIFICATION FAILURE "The patch was downloaded but it failed verification indicating that the file is corrupt. Would you like to download the file again? You will not be able to enter the game until you download the patch." Any help on this issue would be greatly appreciated. Reinstall the game and obviously use a fresh download of the client (with the patch already applied) to install it. Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals
Andresky Frankfurt Industry and Defence Trust	Posted - 2008.03.15 00:11:00 - [580] Originally by: Joachim LeHigh Originally by: Andresky Why optimizing a PC where EVE was running perfect 2 days before? Because it's worth a try before you berate CCP for something YOU might be able to fix? Look, it worked before - after the patch it doesn't. So why shall I fix something? There are many others around here... do you think some small Gremlin infected our PC over night? hehe Anyway... CCP will do the job ;)

Sturmwolke School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.15 00:32:00 - [581] Folks (running EVE Premium client) with FPS issue might want to check their graphics interval. "Default interval" FPS is now about twice as slow in Trinity 1.1. "Immediate" returns most of the FPS back, but I hazard a guess that it might not be too stable on systems that has a hot running video card. I feel CCP is severely lacking in keeping customers informed on certain technical aspects and keeps many of us guessing. This thread is very unwieldy for a one-stop information center to folks looking for the most current information for Trinity 1.1 issues. I don't see why haven't CCP assign a dedicated person(s) for a 1-2 week duration post-patch to post up issues reported (whether valid or not) for the public to see, including workarounds/solutions to them. You'll save a lot of grief and it will minimize the negative goodwill/perception from customers. Sheesh.
ekalami Pixies Under Pressure	Posted - 2008.03.15 01:39:00 - [582] One positive note about the fps issue. Doing stuff in station is much less laggy, and quite possibly a better frame rate. Its when I undock that the performance pains begin. I have a suspicion that ccp have fixed something that caused poor responsiveness in station, but in doing so, broke something for when in space? Pure speculation I know, but if a devs reading the thread and any posts helps with a possible solution idea, then they well worth writing
Flaming Lemming Puppeteer Press	Posted - 2008.03.15 01:54:00 - [583] Originally by: Joachim LeHigh Originally by: Andresky Why optimizing a PC where EVE was running perfect 2 days before? Because it's worth a try before you berate CCP for something YOU might be able to fix? So you're saying... "Fact one:Before patch worked fine... Fact two:After patch, sucks balls..... Conclusion: since CCP obviously can do no wrong, it is the responsibility of the user to tweak their system...which they didn't change." Or am I misunderstanding you?
Evolutius ESI Corporation	Posted - 2008.03.15 02:09:00 - [584] Originally by: Sturmwolke Folks (running EVE Premium client) with FPS issue might want to check their graphics interval. "Default interval" FPS is now about twice as slow in Trinity 1.1. "Immediate" returns most of the FPS back, but I hazard a guess that it might not be too stable on systems that has a hot running video card. I feel CCP is severely lacking in keeping customers informed on certain technical aspects and keeps many of us guessing. This thread is very unwieldy for a one-stop information center to folks looking for the most current information for Trinity 1.1 issues. I don't see why haven't CCP assign a dedicated person(s) for a 1-2 week duration post-patch to post up issues reported (whether valid or not) for the public to see, including workarounds/solutions to them. You'll save a lot of grief and it will minimize the negative goodwill/perception from customers. Sheesh. /signed
Kimmuriel Orwente Ulysse Inc. The Core Collective	Posted - 2008.03.15 02:41:00 - [585] Originally by: Hilbert Space The game is not playable after the patch. Framerate is constant at 2 FPS - was at 15-25 FPS before. If i disable 'FixedProgram' in the config file i get over 30 FPS, but the game crashes every 10 seconds. I'm using a macbook. CCP please fix the framerate problem otherwise the game is not playable at all. Thank you. I have same fps problem with classic client on my old XP32 notebook. Game always works with 20-25 fps at 1024x768 before, but now I have 2-3 fps delays for 3-4 minutes, after almost every minute of normal playing.
Spumantii Golden Orb Technology inc	Posted - 2008.03.15 03:10:00 - [586] Originally by: Kerfira Originally by: Spumantii Originally by: Kerfira My post I beg to differ. You do enough missions to get 9.5 faction standing and then tell me you don't deserve a decent activity to partake in. Take away missions in hi sec and I'd quit and unsubscribe in less than 5 minutes. Obviously you don't know much if anything about game balancing. Have you ever heard about risk vs. reward? L4's has next to no risk, and still pays better than almost any 0.0/low-sec activities. They've also been boosted a lot in income over the last couple of years, and for balance reasons they really need a good fat wack with the nerf-bat. I'm not talking about taking them away, but a 30% increase in NPC damage and tanking abilities is about what is needed to offset the boosts provided by rigs when they were introduced. Wow, troll much? You are talking to a game designer so with what little respect you deserve, put a sock in it. If you'd like to discuss risk vs reward I'd be happy to educate you. If you were to make lvl 4 missions harder then what would be the point of it rather than heading straight to 0.0? Man you have an attitude problem and I'll be sure to use your name as a joke for an easter egg. In this line of work there is no excuse for lack of QA when you make as much money as an MMO provides. You can PM me with your misguided theories any time you want, so troll on.
Admiral Himerias The White Star Consortium Tenth Legion	Posted - 2008.03.15 03:53:00 - [587] OK I appreciate the help some people are given. Just got rid of all my spyware, did a virus scan, rebooted several times and uninstalled and reinstalled the eve client. This problem (of bad ffs) did not occur before the patch. I certainly hope this will be fixed as many people are simply unable to play because of this.
Sylthi Coreward Pan-Galactic	Posted - 2008.03.15 03:55:00 - [588] Originally by: Kerfira L4's has next to no risk, and still pays better than almost any 0.0/low-sec activities. So, then why aren't you running level 4's if they are so great instead of complaining about the people who do? Originally by: Kerfira They've also been boosted a lot in income over the last couple of years Where the hell have you been and what game have you been playing? Seriously. In the last 18 months the bounty rewards on (mission) NPCs have been "balanced" DOWN three times. The number of NPCs on missions have been "balanced" DOWN three times, and their difficulty (i.e. damage and resists) "balanced" up three times. The loot tables have been messed with and/or "balanced" DOWN five times. And finally, the raw isk (and other) rewards for missions offered by agents have been "balanced" DOWN two times. So, how is all of this making missions create MORE income than they were before, EXACTLY? Jeeze. Know what you're talking about before you post. You will embarrass yourself a lot less that way..... * *
Sentinel Eeex DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.15 05:04:00 - [589] I am now fully convinced that each programmer in CCP is doing Q&A testing of his own code.
Kayla Starfire Coreward Pan-Galactic	Posted - 2008.03.15 06:05:00 - [590] Edited by: Kayla Starfire on 15/03/2008 06:07:09 CCP = Continually Coxing-up Patches. Heres an idea: How about outsourcing all of your support staff to a place that actually has trained proffessionals, that know what they are doing, in ready supply? It couldn't possibly be any worse that what we are dealing with now..... I hope....

Kahega Amielden Legacy Syndicate space weaponry and trade	Posted - 2008.03.15 06:12:00 - [591] need a hotfix patch..hopefully one that fixes hacking complexes.
Xing Tu School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.15 06:20:00 - [592] I haven't read all 21 pages so I don't know if this came up or not. When I right click on an untrained skill I get nothing. What happened to the info? Is it a patch issue? My settings? Just the way it's going to be from now on?
R0ot Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.03.15 07:00:00 - [593] Bring back the ALT key usage for showing moons and also showing the scanner box on your ship! ------------------------------------------------------------------
SaberH Crown of Stars	Posted - 2008.03.15 07:04:00 - [594] Just to say, that with 1.1, my fps outside of station is divided by 2, or more nice to see my missiles jumping from my ship to the target.
Polrena Trans-Solar Services	Posted - 2008.03.15 10:08:00 - [595] I saw a dev post back on page 1 and 3 about known issues. Can we get an update on that, so we know we're being heard? For myself, the overview/drone window & settings undock/login reset is the most annoying, particularly with all the hoops I've had to jump through to try to fix it. Pinning, unpinning, locking the pin from the esc window, restting default positions, removing settings and cache subfolders from all the nooks and crannies of a half a dozen file locations...shoot, the bug report alone took me hours to compile. I'm also seeing a problem with my hanger items window being the same as a wreck cargo window. I don't care for that at all. Please make them go back to being separately sizable/positionable. I'd also like to voice my interest in having the cargo button hotkey toggle-able again, instead of the new open-only nonsense.
Cyxopyc Wolfram Brotherhood	Posted - 2008.03.15 10:41:00 - [596] FPS problems -- Originally by: Kimmuriel Orwente Originally by: Hilbert Space The game is not playable after the patch. Framerate is constant at 2 FPS - was at 15-25 FPS before. If i disable 'FixedProgram' in the config file i get over 30 FPS, but the game crashes every 10 seconds. I'm using a macbook. CCP please fix the framerate problem otherwise the game is not playable at all. Thank you. I have same fps problem with classic client on my old XP32 notebook. Game always works with 20-25 fps at 1024x768 before, but now I have 2-3 fps delays for 3-4 minutes, after almost every minute of normal playing. I can't promise anything but I've had FPS weirdness on my one system for a long time. All I would do is alt-tab from windowed to full screen or full screen to windowed and the FPS would increase some, enough to make it playable. This is true after acceleration gates in missions. On warp in I'd find a low FPS then do alt-tab and waahlaah, I can play it ok. These aren't huge jumps in FPS but enough to make an noticable difference. The FPS meter shows a change from 4 to 6FPS or 8 to 11 but the increase in playability is great. Like many others I have noticed an decrease in FPS in places I didn't have a low (slideshow) FPS before. My work around above seemed to work in these situations... give alt-tab a try. P.S. I noticed energy weapon crystals now stack in ship cargo as they are unloaded from the weapons... thank you :) == Support fixing the EVE UI
Captain Campion Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.03.15 11:17:00 - [597] hmm api thing screwed evemon? still not working?
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.15 11:26:00 - [598] Originally by: R0ot Bring back the ALT key usage for showing moons and also showing the scanner box on your ship! ^^ Otherwise patch has been excellent. --------------- you all smell!
Space Wanderer Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.03.15 11:39:00 - [599] FEEDBACK ABOUT EXPLORATION Specifically, radar sites. One of the Patch Notes reads: "# Changes were made to loot tables for certain hacking containers. ". Well I certainly noticed that. Since trinity I didn't find any empty canister in hacking sites. In the first hacking site done after patch deployment I found two empty cans (if it can be of use, both cans were Blood Com Towers). What was that about a "no nerf" patch? I realize that there was too much good loot going around after trinity which drove some prices down the drain, but I don't know if making it rare again after the prices crashed will be any good for explorers. I don't think prices will rise that fast now that they crashed. Now I realize the reasons for the devs not saying much about exploration, the more "mystery" is in the game the more entertaining the game is, but I think that in this case some dev should at least explain if this new behavior of cans is wanted or a bug that will be corrected.
eXotiCDanCer II Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.03.15 11:55:00 - [600] 21 pages of total failure without replys. I want to release myself. YOU SUCK. another untested patch and i SWEAR I GET MY CHAINSAW.



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