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CCP Saint	Posted - 2008.03.13 03:39:00 - [1] Many of you have probably wondered what was going on behind the scenes at CCP. We have done our best to keep you updated through the Message Of The Day (MOTD) and the Downtime News page. During the deployment of Trinity 1.1: Booster Patch we discovered that specific items in the database had been incorrectly updated due to an error while updating the database. This meant that we had to go back and retrieve data from a backup that had been performed earlier in the process. Due to unforeseen delays, the process for restoring this data and doing the necessary integrity checks took longer than anticipated. With the delays originating from the restoration process itself; it was very difficult to give an exact ETA. We regret any inconvenience these delays may have caused. We would love to hear your thoughts and feedback on the latest changes presented. Please keep all feedback to this thread; all other will be locked and redirected. For details on the changes made in this patch please take a look at the Patch Notes. Saint Community Representative CCP Games, EVE Online Email / Netfang Do Not Click Here "Contrary to what most people say, the most dangerous animal in the world is not the lion or the tiger or even the elephant. It's a shark riding on an elephant's back, just trampling and eating everything they see." Owner of the most green grey beanie ever. P.S. This is green.

ZaKma	Posted - 2008.03.13 03:46:00 - [2] Oh well, better late than never. Seleene > you sound like my wife
Cerea Gleeve	Posted - 2008.03.13 03:52:00 - [3] The patch brought some nice changes - however, there seems to be one 'nerf' after all: The 1152x864 screen resolution is gone!? Did you do this on purpose - and if so, why? Other than that: great boost so far!
Nigal Tufnel	Posted - 2008.03.13 03:54:00 - [4] I kind of understand why you turn off the forums. But before the servers comes up you need to make sure the forums are up as well. This is the best place to find out about how a patch is working and if it is 'safe' to update. Opening the server but not the forums is a bad idea.
zigrend	Posted - 2008.03.13 03:54:00 - [5] Game panels such as the Overview keep repositioning themselves ever undocking. This occurs regardless of being pinned or not.
JP Goodwin	Posted - 2008.03.13 03:55:00 - [6] When I tried to patch to 51200 the patcher decided the CRC on one of my installed files was bad and told me to reinstall, and left me in a horked state. So after spending an hour downloading the full premium 51200 setup, I ran that, and it failed the verification. Now that was really annoying. So I'm presently trying to install the full install I had before, 45943, in the hope that I can then patch that to 51200. Anyone else having similar problems?
TLani	Posted - 2008.03.13 03:56:00 - [7] I dont know if this has anything to do with the patch, but evemon will not work for me now. Just wondering if anyone else is having the same problem. Now as far as the changes go, GOOD WORK I like the welcome pages a lot. They will help me figure out the market much better and maybe even make more iskie's
zigrend	Posted - 2008.03.13 03:57:00 - [8] Originally by: TLani I dont know if this has anything to do with the patch, but evemon will not work for me now. Just wondering if anyone else is having the same problem. Now as far as the changes go, GOOD WORK I like the welcome pages a lot. They will help me figure out the market much better and maybe even make more iskie's Second this.... evemon is not working.
Idara	Posted - 2008.03.13 03:57:00 - [9] You people can't even get a single thread together can you? Overview completely wiped, again. Settings on all three clients, wiped, again. I'm really sick of redoing all of these ******* little things because you guys can understand how to keep them from patch to patch. You can't even figure out what's going to be included in the patch 24 hours prior to deployment. This is really getting pathetic. --- in EVE - Idara
Alekseyev Karrde	Posted - 2008.03.13 03:57:00 - [10] I'm getting a bizarr error from my monitor when i launch the EVE Client. It goes grey with a white text box in the middle saying "Out of Range" with some H and V values in it. I cant seem to interact with the client or my machine till i Cntrl Q and then it goes back to normal. What can i do about this? Zombie Apocalypse Guitar-Wielding Superteam
Nyabinghi	Posted - 2008.03.13 03:58:00 - [11] Ok I hope this is finally the right thread cause I've been bounced twice now. Here is my report so far: 1) Ship appears and disappears in hanger. 2) 1st undock attempt I saw only the station undock tunnel and not my ship (though my ship was in space already). fixed when I "looked" at station then "unlooked". 3) Flying away from station, camera locked to a single view and would not rotate or zoom in/out on ship. I could fly back to station but the camera showed me still flying away from station. Essentially screen image frooze. ***
F'nog	Posted - 2008.03.13 03:59:00 - [12] Originally by: Idara Overview completely wiped, again. This is different than any other patch how? I'm not against your complaint, mind, but it's not exactly new. You'd think there would be some advances after this amount of time. Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Tamasan	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:00:00 - [13] I'm having overview issues. Every time I dock/undock, all window positions and settings revert back to default. The window positions reverting is really annoying. I normally keep my drones window on the left, and it jumps back to the right below the main overview panel. I assume the fleet window will as well, but haven't been in a fleet yet. The selected item window snaps back to the top instead of where I put it. It also changes the filters back to the default instead of staying with the saved setting I normally use. Whats the point of a customizable overview if I have to customize it every time I undock?
zoltar	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:00:00 - [14] You did a great job CCP. Well done! You did forget one thing though. I have mentioned this before but it gets little attention by anyone. Under Wallet - Orders - There under selling it shows tabs listed as "type" - "Quantity" - "price" - "location" - "expires in" Now, whats missing is Region. When I fly around to update my sell orders I am not sure what region my orders are in, so I must look up each system name. Or memorize it. But when you have 100+ sell orders up its a bit of a pain. Please allow us to sort by region. Thanks, zoltar
Trist Ian	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:00:00 - [15] This is a suggestion for open fleet Is it possible to make it so we can customize the open fleet invitation For example Fleet "Invitation for roaming gang(Alliance)" That way there can be multiple links in an intel channel. And people can easily tell what gang they want/need to join. Alt-Tab Problem When ever I Alt tab. Eve doesn't really want to open back up for me. And when it does open back up. All of the station buttons have no names.(they are just blank boxes with the logo) And the same thing happens with the channels. Ill keep editing this post if i find more problems Moon/Planet Glitch Whenever i look to a side of a moon or planet(if im close to it) and continue to move to move my screen to the side the moon/planet disappears.
Ares Splinter	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:01:00 - [16] Lost all the settings on one client which i had to reinstall. Game would just auto CTD right after clicking the icon. Then client seemed to start having some severe lag/connection issues to the server. Chat boxes not working and such.. Restarted and now cant get ingame... Not one of the smoothest patches thats for sure :(
zigrend	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:01:00 - [17] I do have to say the following... I have been playing EVE Online for only a few weeks now. My entire time online consists of mining, learning, and purchasing new skills / ships / equipment / etc. The patch provided no new features that I need. The patch did not fix any problems that I had, as I had no problems. Most Critical - The patch has created a whole lot of "lost settings" and lots of other tiny annoyances that make the game a lot less enjoyable to play. Thanks Alot!
Vegantant	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:01:00 - [18] Forgive me, are their any issues with windows, or other programs? Has anyone restarted since updating?
Bannie Bajannie	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:01:00 - [19] I haven't logged in yet, but I'm most irked by the blurb about 'not a single 'nerf''. How was the resistance reduction not a nerf?
Marcus TheMartin	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:02:00 - [20] YOU WILL NOT BE REIMBURSED FOR "LOST" TIME there so no posts about it
Aldelphius	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:04:00 - [21] Couple things. 1. /end /LUA:OFF not working. all my settings are in C:\Documents and Settings\XXX\Local Settings\Application Data\CCP\EVE now. I want Eve to stay in EvE's folder on my D: drive. 2. All resolutions are gone from windowed mode except for 1680* 1050. Perhaps this is because that is my monitors default size. Regardless, I need other sizes to play windowed. Playing windowed implies the window is smaller than your screen size. 3. Ability to adjust the cache size gone. Didnt see it in the patch notes, not sure if its a feature or oversight.
Bow'ma	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:06:00 - [22] Originally by: Ares Splinter Lost all the settings on one client which i had to reinstall. Game would just auto CTD right after clicking the icon. Then client seemed to start having some severe lag/connection issues to the server. Chat boxes not working and such.. Restarted and now cant get ingame... Not one of the smoothest patches thats for sure :( Exactly the same thing for me; I guess/hope it has something to do with massive amounts of ppl downloading and connecting to Tranquility.
Guillame Herschel	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:07:00 - [23] Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 13/03/2008 04:06:48 My IGB bookmarks are wiped. I have a second computer which I haven't patched yet, and it has most of the bookmarks this patch disappeared. Is there a way to retrieve those bookmarks before patching? *-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then. --*
Wadaya	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:08:00 - [24] Originally by: Aldelphius Couple things. 3. Ability to adjust the cache size gone. Didnt see it in the patch notes, not sure if its a feature or oversight. It was moved to the grapics and settings tab on the esc menu. Wad
OzakiFragments	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:11:00 - [25] My overview keeps going back to its default position even when I unpin and repin docking/undockign a station.
Alekseyev Karrde	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:11:00 - [26] Originally by: Cerea Gleeve The patch brought some nice changes - however, there seems to be one 'nerf' after all: The 1152x864 screen resolution is gone!? Did you do this on purpose - and if so, why? Other than that: great boost so far! Seems it's this problem. Thanks for scrapping that resolution setting. Really. Zombie Apocalypse Guitar-Wielding Superteam
TWiZT3DCaRNaG3	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:11:00 - [27] What happened with this patch ? Gates in 0.0 are stuck, it says my ships has left XXX system 2 mins 28 seconds ago, when I'm in another system. Can't jump to other systems. My ship warps by itself to unboormarked places, etc. Answers ?
Grey Range	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:12:00 - [28] Ditto on the overview issue . . . everytime I dock and undock, the overview window moves, and so do any windows on the right side of the screen. I've changed settings, locked windows, pinned and unpinned them. Nothing works. Please help.
Aldelphius	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:13:00 - [29] Originally by: Wadaya It was moved to the grapics and settings tab on the esc menu. Wad Shadow quality and bloom are the only two options I have....
Flamewave	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:13:00 - [30] Quote: The Vigilant's texture has been changed to make it more distinctive from the Thorax. I must say, one hell of a nice change. __________
DiseL	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:13:00 - [31] I am having major problems running multiple clients on both my systems since patch. Lockups when tabbing back and forth between clients, eve.exe error on 2nd or third client, eve.exe error when hitting Esc in 2nd or third client.
Herz Ing	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:13:00 - [32] I'm having a problem post patch: My character ( this character ) fails to log into eve. The loading process stalls at 'Entering Game as Herz Ing', indefinitely. Other characters on this account log in successfully. Characters on my other accounts as well ( including those in Jita, yay! ). I'm running Windows Vista 64 bit. I have both the Classic and Premium client installed separately. Both clients have been patched. The problem manifests in BOTH clients identically. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you.
Avalira	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:14:00 - [33] AAAARGH! Overview settings and bookmark folders all deleted!! Come on CCP please don't delete these patch after patch! It's a real pain to set them up each time and sort through all the bookmarks. Besides that though, very cool patch and lots of nice new features. -------------
Jakke Logan	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:15:00 - [34] I think it's crappy to promote this as a no nerf patch when tanks lost defenses, especially shield tanks, which lost explosive resist for no logical reason at all other than it had to because armor lost EM... Very bad reasoning there.
Decepshun	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:19:00 - [35] Originally by: zigrend Originally by: TLani I dont know if this has anything to do with the patch, but evemon will not work for me now. Just wondering if anyone else is having the same problem. Now as far as the changes go, GOOD WORK I like the welcome pages a lot. They will help me figure out the market much better and maybe even make more iskie's Second this.... evemon is not working. Same here....I get a remote server error when I tried to re-enter my limited API information.
Daan Sai	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:19:00 - [36] Well done on recovering from what sounds like a major database issue. Thanks for taking the time and effort to get it right. Patch is looking good so far!
Decepshun	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:20:00 - [37] Edited by: Decepshun on 13/03/2008 04:20:12 Nm....double posted by accident
Cubitta	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:21:00 - [38] The market filter for buy orders seems bugged. If I tell it to ignore buy orders that are more than 80% below regional avg, then it shows me only those low priced orders instead of filtering them out - the opposite of what I expected. The other filters appear to work as described. Although - I would like the range filter to be a bit more intelligent. I still want to see buy orders that are outside the filter-range but that have a buy-range themselves that would bring them into filter-range, if you see what i mean ? Example - when I set a range filter of 4 jumps, I'd like to see a buy order with a 2 jump range that is 6 jumps away, but not a buy order with a system only range that is 5 jumps away.
TWiZT3DCaRNaG3	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:23:00 - [39] why do you delete all our overview settings ? why are all the character portraits gone ?
Lord Brainscan	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:27:00 - [40] Is it me or the pirates don't have the shield and armor nerf ?
Coughguy	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:28:00 - [41] I'm having the same problem as Herz Ing...can't login to several of my characters but I can login to others.

CCP Mitnal	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:29:00 - [42] There are some issues we are aware of, these include: (Some) missions accepted before the patch are giving a Mission briefing corrupt error and have to be restarted. Balancing the Books (4 of 10) Extensions.dll file missing in the premium client after the upgrade. There may be render issues and error spam when shot at by NPCs. A variety of forum bugs, including the loss of the show images button, lack of tags for some people(not a nerf of CAOD!) These are all currently been worked on by our pizza fuelled devs. Mitnal, Community Representative EVE Online CCP Games Email/Netfang

D'ceet	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:29:00 - [43] the new undocking procedure makes me sad, it makes undocking in hostile territory rather difficult as it shoots you away at twice your full speed, but then it slows down to normal and if your not paying attention you could end up far away, really fast. we tested it on some reds (who will remain anon., but you know who you are) and as soon as he undocked, we targeted him and popped him. needless to say there was local drama. should make pvp interesting
Naomi Wildfire	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:30:00 - [44] The Patch is great, but.. .. the Buttons in the "Selected Object" window doesnt resize anymore .. the undocking "feature" truly sucks and will kill a lot of people .. there is a "Overview Tabs" tab where you can name the tabs, but you cant choose the (newly) saved overview settings from the dropdown menu. dont know what you can do with this tab, seems to be without any function.
Malaan Tabfassh	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:32:00 - [45] Have a hangar sorting bug. All items are listed in one line, one under another. Have to resize, close or minimize the window first before they show properly.
Shadow Joy	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:33:00 - [46] The forums seem to have been nerfed during the downtime - I no longer have the ability to block signatures.
Treelox	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:33:00 - [47] Originally by: F'nog Originally by: Idara Overview completely wiped, again. This is different than any other patch how? I'm not against your complaint, mind, but it's not exactly new. You'd think there would be some advances after this amount of time. The only time I ever had all my settings reset was after the intial Trinity 1.0 patch. Maybe I am just lucky, but I always close down eve after patching and restart the client from scratch. --
TWiZT3DCaRNaG3	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:34:00 - [48] Hemmm I scanned out an anomaly (probably a complex) in 0.0 I warp to it, and I see nothing there. Except Heavy Missiles and Light Missiles flying towards me in empty space, but I don't get hit. And there's no ships, nothing.
Cassandra B	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:36:00 - [49] Well done CCP, it was a bit fustrating having the extra extended downtime, but that was mostly because I was silly and thought i had changed my skill to a long one, but i hadnt so i was bit annoyed at mystelf. I am having issues with evemon. But mine started just before the patch. I had recnetly rebuilt my computer. installed evemon, loaded one character on it. The next day i went to load the other character and it says i have 0 skillpoints, 0 everything basically. Is this the same evemon issue other people are having?
Ffuantu Grym	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:36:00 - [50] Originally by: CCP Mitnal There are some issues we are aware of, these include: (Some) missions accepted before the patch are giving a Mission briefing corrupt error and have to be restarted. Balancing the Books (4 of 10) Extensions.dll file missing in the premium client after the upgrade. There may be render issues and error spam when shot at by NPCs. A variety of forum bugs, including the loss of the show images button, lack of tags for some people(not a nerf of CAOD!) These are all currently been worked on by our pizza fuelled devs. It's not just missions started before the patch. The majority of level 4 agents I have talked to since the patch have thrown a mission briefing corrupt error.
Spc One	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:36:00 - [51] Edited by: Spc One on 13/03/2008 04:39:56 I've got this error in the previous version and i am getting it in newest client: Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. Here's the original thread: Memory Leak? Please fix this - THANK YOU.
Xeron Silverblade	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:37:00 - [52] help! my windows move randomly after undock/relog. windows don't work as they are supposed to since initial trinity deployment: empty cargoholds moving windows randomly regrouping after relog now add: fleet, drones, overview and selected item never stay where you put them. would you mind fix that? it's plain anoying having to rebuild your window-setup after you leave station... sometimes even after you jump into a new system.
Doctor Mario	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:41:00 - [53] Originally by: Tamasan I'm having overview issues. Every time I dock/undock, all window positions and settings revert back to default. The window positions reverting is really annoying. I normally keep my drones window on the left, and it jumps back to the right below the main overview panel. I assume the fleet window will as well, but haven't been in a fleet yet. The selected item window snaps back to the top instead of where I put it. It also changes the filters back to the default instead of staying with the saved setting I normally use. Whats the point of a customizable overview if I have to customize it every time I undock? This. I have the same problem. ---- It's-a me! Mario!
Joe Shooter	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:41:00 - [54] Jesus christ. What a whine thread :p . Agreed on the windows randomly moving point, this was happening on sisi too during testing and wasnt changed, possibly some sort of feature vOv? Anyway could do with a fix. Besides that, I have a bug where people that aren't targetting nor shooting at me are appearing to in space and on overview (oldbug is old however it could do with fixing) Besides that the patch deployment seems okay and went well. However that does not justify resistance nerfs. ___________ ThUnDeRsTrUcK
Papio Hamadryas	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:43:00 - [55] Window size 1280x720 is missing.
Cassandra B	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:43:00 - [56] Ive just found an issue with the new overview. The tabs is an awesome idea, butthey dont seem to be working properly. I wouldve thought the idea is that you can have two tabs say. One showing stations, one not showing stations. But whenever you remove the stations from one tab, it removes it from the other tabs as well. Is this a glitch or the way its meant to work?
OzakiFragments	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:43:00 - [57] Originally by: Doctor Mario Originally by: Tamasan I'm having overview issues. Every time I dock/undock, all window positions and settings revert back to default. The window positions reverting is really annoying. I normally keep my drones window on the left, and it jumps back to the right below the main overview panel. I assume the fleet window will as well, but haven't been in a fleet yet. The selected item window snaps back to the top instead of where I put it. It also changes the filters back to the default instead of staying with the saved setting I normally use. Whats the point of a customizable overview if I have to customize it every time I undock? This. I have the same problem. Ditto, and I've tried basically everything to get them to stay put
Amalek Nostrum	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:44:00 - [58] During patching, I received an error about a bad CRC in resdungeons.stuff (I believe), and the delightful "Download Full Build" instruction that is becoming oh-so-common on patch days. Presumably once I download the entire game again, all my settings will have vanished, and I'm not really in the mood for that at the moment. I'm seriously debating whether to keep paying for these hassles every time there's a patch.
Jai a'Shanti	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:47:00 - [59] Ever since the patch downloaded & I hit the "Start Eve" button I see the splash screen flash, the screen goes black, the music plays and that's it! Can't get in! I started my subscription the day before the patch & have probably had more DT than game time so far.. I really don't want to start regretting subscribing already.. Have tried deleting the cache linked in the thread about black screen lock-ups .. & tried changing the resolution as some seem no longer present i've read. No change. Any suggestions please?
techzer0	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:48:00 - [60] Originally by: Avalira AAAARGH! Overview settings and bookmark folders all deleted!! Come on CCP please don't delete these patch after patch! It's a real pain to set them up each time and sort through all the bookmarks. Besides that though, very cool patch and lots of nice new features. Can't remember the file to copy, but I made a backup of my settings files and if they disappear I can just copy the old file back into its correct place. Works 90% of the time depending on if it's been happening to me a lot, and if I remember where I put the files. (Not on my home PC with EVE on it so I can't look to tell ya, if I remember this post I'll find it again and edit it) ------------ Originally by: CCP Mitnal It's great being a puppetmaster
Cassandra B	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:49:00 - [61] I wish people would stop complaining about an patch issue, and continue to say 'oh im thinking of leaving eve... blah blah blah' Some things wont quite be the same after they play with the proramming of the game, I am positive they try to reduce the chance of this happening. If you cant handle some changes when there is a patch, than either shut up or just dont play the game. Not start whining on the forums. Leave the space for someone who has an actual issue with the game that needs pointing out to the devs. If you cant handle patches not happening exactly as planned, or little things changing, than please go write your own game and see if you can get it to be better than eve. And Please do not have mistakes in it. Than you can tell us all about it and we will go try out your game!
hydraSlav	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:52:00 - [62] The blue.dll crash is still not fixed!! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=686575&page=4 For crying out loud. I bought a new dual core system with 4 GB of RAM and 8800GT, just for EvE, and i cannot even turn the premium graphics on! At least have the decency to acknowledge the problem and give us a vague timeline if this is being worked on at all or not == Above comments are my personal views Oveur >Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
Amalek Nostrum	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:54:00 - [63] Originally by: Xeron Silverblade they will anyway since new options are introduced they've reset them all I've just never played any other game where I have to reconfigure all my game settings and preferences after every patch. For those of us who have put a lot of time into overview setttings or sorting P&P information into folders, it's an incredible amount of work to get it all straightened out. I can't understand why CCP doesn't prioritize such highly demanded and functional ideas as "keep game settings on patch day" (which benefits everyone) above things like "nerf resists." Most other games I've played, it's easy to find settings files for characters, making it very convenient to store backup copies. I'm dreading sorting my addressbook again if my folders have been dumped.
Shadow Joy	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:55:00 - [64] Originally by: Cassandra B I wish people would stop complaining about an patch issue, and continue to say 'oh im thinking of leaving eve... blah blah blah' Some things wont quite be the same after they play with the proramming of the game, I am positive they try to reduce the chance of this happening. If you cant handle some changes when there is a patch, than either shut up or just dont play the game. Not start whining on the forums. Leave the space for someone who has an actual issue with the game that needs pointing out to the devs. If you cant handle patches not happening exactly as planned, or little things changing, than please go write your own game and see if you can get it to be better than eve. And Please do not have mistakes in it. Than you can tell us all about it and we will go try out your game! To when you posted, I count zero people threatening to leave EVE. 0/10 on the fanboi troll scale.
Phoenus	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:55:00 - [65] Originally by: Idara You people can't even get a single thread together can you? Overview completely wiped, again. Settings on all three clients, wiped, again. I'm really sick of redoing all of these ***** little things because you guys can understand how to keep them from patch to patch. You can't even figure out what's going to be included in the patch 24 hours prior to deployment. This is really getting pathetic. This is what really really es me off. I've lost track of how many times I've re-done my UI settings, because CCP break them every single patch**. Save EVE TV from Cancellation.
Jai a'Shanti	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:56:00 - [66] Originally by: Cassandra B I wish people would stop complaining about an patch issue, and continue to say 'oh im thinking of leaving eve... blah blah blah' Some things wont quite be the same after they play with the proramming of the game, I am positive they try to reduce the chance of this happening. If you cant handle some changes when there is a patch, than either shut up or just dont play the game. Not start whining on the forums. Leave the space for someone who has an actual issue with the game that needs pointing out to the devs. If you cant handle patches not happening exactly as planned, or little things changing, than please go write your own game and see if you can get it to be better than eve. And Please do not have mistakes in it. Than you can tell us all about it and we will go try out your game! Not being able to get in game AT ALL is not a minor problem. If you have nothing useful to say please leave this channel free for those who do .. it's about the patch not your opinions about other players..
Zytrel	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:57:00 - [67] Just for those who seem to have lost their settings. I am using eve with the /LUA:OFF option and it appears that the settings location moved from "./cache/settings" to "./settings" Simply copying the files from the old location to the new one restored everything. No idea how this works without the option, but I'd assume it should be the same, just in the corresponding user directory. ("C:\Documents and Settings\<Username>\Local Settings\Application Data\CCP" or something similar I just can't seem to recall correctly atm. ) regards, zytrel.
KingOzar	Posted - 2008.03.13 04:58:00 - [68] Everytyhing to do with the API is not working.
atrophocy	Posted - 2008.03.13 05:00:00 - [69] not sure if it's been mentioned, but the issue with moons. pressing alt no longer shows up moons in space or brackets around your ship/collidal objects etc. apparently this was changed to alt+z in the patch but it doesnt work either. Mouse over on on a celestial cluster shows all the moons now as well as planets and belts, and moons seem to have no icon. very very frustrating for those who use the directional scanner alot.
Shisen	Posted - 2008.03.13 05:01:00 - [70] So why isn't CCP giving our money back for one day? I don't mean to complain but it would seem the moral high ground to give the members a free day because of the down time. Yes I know that its only worth about 50 cents and no i wont cancel my subscription to EVE because of CCP not giving money back to the subscribers.. I would just hope that CCP would realize that all of us didn't play a day that we all paid for. But, nice patch all and all
hydraSlav	Posted - 2008.03.13 05:02:00 - [71] Originally by: Zytrel Just for those who seem to have lost their settings. I am using eve with the /LUA:OFF option and it appears that the settings location moved from "./cache/settings" to "./settings" Simply copying the files from the old location to the new one restored everything. Yup, same here. Looks like CCP coders need to invest in some memory implants, cause their natural memory is not enough to remember where they keep settings == Above comments are my personal views Oveur >Local shouldn't be a tactical tool, it's for chat
Alekseyev Karrde	Posted - 2008.03.13 05:03:00 - [72] I'm not wanting to leave EVE, quite the contrary I cannot wait to log in, albiet to spend the first half hour or so restoring my settings. The issue is I cannot, the client wont work in the only resolution setting that doesnt make my monitor go wonky. This wasnt in the patch notes and I'd just like word if the setting is planning on being restored so i can play again. Zombie Apocalypse Guitar-Wielding Superteam
Kaori Hatakani	Posted - 2008.03.13 05:04:00 - [73] Originally by: Xeron Silverblade ...fleet, drones, overview and selected item never stay where you put them... I've not used the fleet menu yet, but Drones, and Overview all align their left edges with the left edge of Selected Items upon undocking. If they were large enough, they even force Selected Items off of the top edge of my screen, until I unpin, shrink the windows, and dock/undock.
DMoney420	Posted - 2008.03.13 05:07:00 - [74] I noticed that now you cannot right click on skills you don't have trained and get info via the character screen, is this intentional or accidental? Just curious. -D
Malaan Tabfassh	Posted - 2008.03.13 05:09:00 - [75] Originally by: atrophocy not sure if it's been mentioned, but the issue with moons. pressing alt no longer shows up moons in space or brackets around your ship/collidal objects etc. apparently this was changed to alt+z in the patch but it doesnt work either. Mouse over on on a celestial cluster shows all the moons now as well as planets and belts, and moons seem to have no icon. very very frustrating for those who use the directional scanner alot. I second that.
Uncle Mo	Posted - 2008.03.13 05:14:00 - [76] Originally by: Shisen So why isn't CCP giving our money back for one day? I don't mean to complain but it would seem the moral high ground to give the members a free day because of the down time. Yes I know that its only worth about 50 cents and no i wont cancel my subscription to EVE because of CCP not giving money back to the subscribers.. I would just hope that CCP would realize that all of us didn't play a day that we all paid for. But, nice patch all and all Keep in mind that all EVE expansions are free. Many MMO's hit you up for another $30-$50 USD per account. I like the patch. It addressed and fixed many issues that are important. I'm miss my HUGE armour EM resist, but on the other hand, it's really a boost for all laser ships. I don't consider it a nerf. Also, undocking should be more dangerous IMO. In fact I think you should be ejected out even farther. Avoiding a fight via docking stinks. How about a rule that states you must wait 120 seconds after your last combat action before undocking. Getting rid of ship fights right at the undocking area would be nice. I wonder if CCP is going to consider doing more hotfixes rather than lenghty update rollouts.
Reten Kip	Posted - 2008.03.13 05:14:00 - [77] About 50% of the time, shortly after I undock the graphics freeze. Icons for entities move, the overview updates, I can warp, mine, etc, but the graphics are frozen and showing a static picture of my ship just outside the station. I can redock, and then the graphics work properly, until I undock, when they're frozen again. If I quit and restart, it usually works the first time I undock, but as soon as I dock/undock, it freezes again.
Lady Karma	Posted - 2008.03.13 05:19:00 - [78] Huge drop in FPS in some systems since patch. I can be flying through a busy system and land on a gate with about 20 ships, and hold a steady 50fps. Then I jump to a low sec system with only 8 in local and get 11fps Docking returns me to 120+..then undock...and hit 9fps. Nothing on grid, warp to safe spot...still 9 fps. On my little journey, I noticed this in about 1 out of 4 systems. Glad I wasn't having to fight anything Randomly losing 75% of performance in empty systems is something you should look in to.
Herring	Posted - 2008.03.13 05:22:00 - [79] So I saw the not one *single* nerf line in the patch notes... I see the shield armor nerf, so where's the others? I'm sick of reinstalling, it's not what my days off are for
Kalissa	Posted - 2008.03.13 05:32:00 - [80] So far I've found 2 problems 1) The cyno effect is now missing, if you jump a capital or use a jump bridge the ship just sits there for a couple of seconds then the new system loads 2) I have noticed if I run 2 clients that there is now a significant performance drop compared to before the boost patch.
Wensbane	Posted - 2008.03.13 05:33:00 - [81] Originally by: Cerea Gleeve The patch brought some nice changes - however, there seems to be one 'nerf' after all: The 1152x864 screen resolution is gone!? Did you do this on purpose - and if so, why? Unfortunately for me, I only had two viable options before: - 1024x768, which is not playable for me, given the amount of on-screen information needed to play EVE effectively. If I see myself forced to minimize everything to actually see my ships and modules, I can't play this game, it's that simple. and... - 1152x864, which was perfect because it actually allowed me to have enough windows open to play effectively, even with this old machine (crappy CRT included) of mine. Now that the latter was removed, I find myself unable to play properly, so I guess you can say this patch killed EVE (but only for me of course). Don't get me wrong though, I know that this decision will not affect any of the 22" LCD people, so it's not a big issue, and I'm pretty sure that people with older rigs like mine are a minority around these parts, so I'm not expecting this to get "fixed" or anything. Simply wanted to leave my feedback.
Amalek Nostrum	Posted - 2008.03.13 05:33:00 - [82] Well, I went ahead and downloaded the full build, as instructed by the patcher when running the patch failed. ...and when I attempted to run the setup file, I received an error that it was corrupt.
Sylia	Posted - 2008.03.13 05:34:00 - [83] Thanks CCP, the changes are most welcome. Hopefully the local and other windows jumpign aroudn wotn persists too much, though that was in the last patch. But bring on the fun, the new zealot is pant tenting loveliness
Verite Rendition	Posted - 2008.03.13 05:34:00 - [84] Edited by: Verite Rendition on 13/03/2008 05:34:38 Originally by: hydraSlav The blue.dll crash is still not fixed!! http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=686575&page=4 For crying out loud. I bought a new dual core system with 4 GB of RAM and 8800GT, just for EvE, and i cannot even turn the premium graphics on! At least have the decency to acknowledge the problem and give us a vague timeline if this is being worked on at all or not I was really hoping I'd be able to use the Premium graphics in this patch. ---- FREE Explorer Lead Megalomanic EVE Automated Influence Map
Jerimiah Weed	Posted - 2008.03.13 05:38:00 - [85] Originally by: Kaori Hatakani Originally by: Xeron Silverblade ...fleet, drones, overview and selected item never stay where you put them... I've not used the fleet menu yet, but Drones, and Overview all align their left edges with the left edge of Selected Items upon undocking. If they were large enough, they even force Selected Items off of the top edge of my screen, until I unpin, shrink the windows, and dock/undock. I have this exact same issue, the reseting windows on undocking gets old REALLY fast.
Cloudcobra	Posted - 2008.03.13 05:50:00 - [86] /end /LUA:OFF is not working correctly or at all. Settings are now in EVE/Settings instead of EVE/cache/settings ------------------------------- Who dares wins
Gut Punch	Posted - 2008.03.13 05:52:00 - [87] Alt tabbing problem is back. Again its random, running one or two clients. You have to bring up the task manager and close EVE. --- --- Brutally Clever Empire ---
Depopulo	Posted - 2008.03.13 05:54:00 - [88] Originally by: Xlex Terrible FPS on one of two systems. The older system is almost not playable where it was fine pre-patch and using classic graphics. System one is fine, which is newer. yep..I have a system with a Nvidia 5200 card...my FPS has plumetted to 5-20 FPS :(:(:(
Frug	Posted - 2008.03.13 05:55:00 - [89] I seriously worry that this new undock system is poorly thought out and will result in undock lag now determining whether you die or not when you undock. Making ships leave at angles is fine. It's great even, but why have them not stop? to relieve Jita congestion? At the expense of pvp? - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - If you think I'm awesome, say BOOO BOOO!! - Ductoris Neat look what I found - Kreul Hey, my marbles
Devvon Maelstrom	Posted - 2008.03.13 05:56:00 - [90] Originally by: atrophocy not sure if it's been mentioned, but the issue with moons. pressing alt no longer shows up moons in space or brackets around your ship/collidal objects etc. apparently this was changed to alt+z in the patch but it doesnt work either. Mouse over on on a celestial cluster shows all the moons now as well as planets and belts, and moons seem to have no icon. very very frustrating for those who use the directional scanner alot. I third this. Why clutter up the GUI with a long list of moons everytime I try to pick a planet or belt to warp to on-screen? Sometimes there are so many moons, everything else is lost off the screen. So much for search and destroy tactics... carebears win again.
General Meridus	Posted - 2008.03.13 06:07:00 - [91] Edited by: General Meridus on 13/03/2008 06:10:26 This issue with the windows resetting to default positions after every undock, was an issue on the test server for the past week or better. It was bug reported. I figured when it was not fixed, it would be after a bazzillion people complained about it when it went live. Not trying to be an asshat. Just pointing it out.
KingOzar	Posted - 2008.03.13 06:11:00 - [92] So, any word on what's going on with the API keys?
Elstar	Posted - 2008.03.13 06:11:00 - [93] Originally by: Herz Ing My character ( this character ) fails to log into eve. The loading process stalls at 'Entering Game as Herz Ing', indefinitely. tried to file 'stuck character' petition?
Bellasarius Baxter	Posted - 2008.03.13 06:11:00 - [94] I have a few comments: 1) The old cache and settings folders are still left on my computer. I think it would be a good idea to either move or delete the conts, or, at the very least, tell users to do that themselves. I see no point in leaving old dead data on a system, just because the folder is being moved as part of a patch. 2) The drone overview seems to be back to its old behaviour, of sometimes closing/collapsing/reopening when drones are launched. 3) The "Selected Item" part of the overview still pops up in the middle of the screen when undocking from a station, even if it was minimized when docking. This is annoying, as I never use that part of the overview. That is all so far (only a short test)
Kylana Darkfate	Posted - 2008.03.13 06:15:00 - [95] My rockets aren't exploding. Anyone elses rockets not exploding but still doing damage? And yes I have missile visuals on!
Bannie Bajannie	Posted - 2008.03.13 06:21:00 - [96] IGB bookmarks. WTF.
Timotheus Siberius	Posted - 2008.03.13 06:23:00 - [97] I thought no nerfs? What about all ships losing 10% at base em armor resistances? Where's the boost in that? * See you in space!
Lobster Man	Posted - 2008.03.13 06:25:00 - [98] My overview keeps re-positioning itself to a broken place regardless of where I put them prior to docking. Not being able to alt-see your ship's sig is really obnoxious for scanning too.
Kendar Zek	Posted - 2008.03.13 06:28:00 - [99] I have closed my account for the third time. Auto-patch: Broken CRC Full build: Broken CRC I'm not going to download it repeatedly until it works, only to have to rebuild my game experience from the ground up due to lost settings, preferences, addressbook and bookmark folders, etc. My time is worth more to me than that. How many people have to beg for their game preferences to stay the same from patch to patch before you implement a means to make it happen? IGB bookmarks, overview settings, graphics and sound settings, general preferences, window positions, addressbook and bookmark folder organization (some people have hundreds of these) - all lost with each patch, or at least the ones that throw back an error on auto-patch and require a full build installation. You have a great game, CCP. I, and many others, only ask that we don't have to rebuild the way we experience it every time you release a patch. -- Owner, Venture Racing Team
Damaha	Posted - 2008.03.13 06:31:00 - [100] New market features (folders especially) all are perfect! Except one little thing, can we get back 'by name' sorting of market quickbar items please? New market quickbar sorting 'by time of adding' is quite inconvenient. anyway, thanks for boost patch!
Treelox	Posted - 2008.03.13 06:40:00 - [101] For the love of all that is holy, PLEASE add an option to disable autocomplete on the market search. --
WCPistolPete	Posted - 2008.03.13 06:47:00 - [102] Originally by: Alekseyev Karrde I'm getting a bizarr error from my monitor when i launch the EVE Client. It goes grey with a white text box in the middle saying "Out of Range" with some H and V values in it. I cant seem to interact with the client or my machine till i Cntrl Q and then it goes back to normal. What can i do about this? You're video card is trying to run your in-game display at a resolution or refresh rate that is not supported by the display. Try hitting alt-enter when you get this error and reassigning a resolution/refresh rate that the monitor likes. WCPistolPete
Corazona	Posted - 2008.03.13 06:51:00 - [103] OK, I'll give you my feedback about this deployment. I don't yet have specific feedback about the operation of this new release, I'm working my way through it, and I'll provide that as soon as possible - probably tomorrow. But, I'll ready with my impressions of the deployment. Let me review the assertions you made to us during deployment, and illustrate how those assertions are actually perceived. CCP: Trinity 1.1: Boost patch has been postponed by 24 hours due to extra time needed for testing. We will go ahead with deployment on Wednesday, 12 March from 02:00 to 16:00 GMT. Translation: Dev missed a release date, again. But, at least we have the good sense to postpone deployment to production. CCP: While monitoring the progress of the Trinity 1.1 Boost Patch deployment, a database issue came to light that we felt was important to address as quickly as possible. In order to ensure the best quality patch possible for our players, the estimated time for the downtime has been extended as we correct that issue. Translation: We hope you buy that. But the truth is good sense left us and we deployed anyway. Somehow we reached that decision in an environment of heightened awareness of a flaw in the release process that caused us to delay the deployment just yesterday. Don't ask us to explain this, we don't understand it. Root cause is either: our operations team bungled the deployment; or, we authorized a release into production which had latent defects not identified by our Dev/QA/Staging/Production Release Process. Which betrays a fact we prefer not to discuss: we don't actually have a Dev/QA/Staging/Production Release Process, and after years of operations we are still releasing code like a first year startup. CCP: As reported earlier, database issues were discovered during an early point in the Trinity 1.1: Boost Patch deployment process. Those issues required us to go into our backups for data and this restoration and data integrity check have taken longer than originally anticipated. Translation: OMG, we are in deep ____. 22 hours into a deployment that was scheduled for 14 hours and we still don't know how long it will take to resolve. At least, if we do, we're not admitting to it. We haven't slept in two days, and there's no end in sight. The problem is so hairy that we have had to resort to restoring data from backups. Our DBAs desperately hope we have data integrity, and that the DB is current to the time we took the service down. And, we're not sure what impact it might have to our customers if we donÆt have complete data integrity in all of our DBs. At least, if we do, we're not admitting to that either - not until marketing crafts our next statement. But, hey, you're customers, we're CCP, apathy is job one here. And all of you know that by now, so don't bother us. Perhaps, you'd like to play WoW while you wait. Their site is up. CCP: During the deployment of Trinity 1.1: Booster Patch we discovered that specific items in the database had been incorrectly updated due to an error while updating the database. This meant that we had to go back and retrieve data from a backup that had been performed earlier in the process. Due to unforeseen delays, the process for restoring this data and doing the necessary integrity checks took longer than anticipated. Translation: We didn't test the deployment scripts. As we mentioned earlier, we don't actually have a Dev/QA/Staging/Production Release Process which would catch this kind of error. So, when we went to production, this bit us in the ___. It bit you too. Don't expect a refund.
Lady Velocity	Posted - 2008.03.13 06:56:00 - [104] Alt key is not working anymore. Before the patch pressing alt key shows moons, belts etc. in space.. now it's broken. It is now impossible to see moon icons in space at all, even if you select all items in overview filters and all brackets. Drones Fleet and Broadcast windows do not remember their positions... they reset after every logging in or dock\undock, they jump to the default position under the overview and that messes all window's positions. It's impossible to assign "Show all brackets" option to any tab in "Overview tabs settings". You choose the tab, select all brackets option. save it. close settings. it resets to empty. It is known you are invulnerable for 20secs after undocking, and activation of some modules doesn't break that invulnerability. Ships now undock at full speed... so after patch, if you undock and turn on your MWD, you will fly away from any station camp at a high speed having enemies unable to lock you...
1337tong	Posted - 2008.03.13 06:58:00 - [105] Edited by: 1337tong on 13/03/2008 06:59:24 I'm also having issues with this patch. crashes on the following occur ============== open evemail checking new mail open corp hanger clicking random objects (cans / rats / astroids / whatever) the one i has been a issue for me since well the last major patch you guys released with the t2 bs's and it has still not been fixed. also the XML section of my characters on the forum isnt working dunno if you know about that or not as for the no nerfs....... well all i can say is i know we've been asking you to sort out the isk sellers but forcing peoples computers to crash instead of allowing them to read mail is a little ott. seriously though i hope you guys will release a patch fix for this and not a hotfix cos there never tested properly
Tallfellar	Posted - 2008.03.13 06:59:00 - [106] The only nerf to this patch ... is the patch itself. CCP you surprise me for a company thats supposed to be on its "Game" excuse the pun... every patch you manage to find something to mess up worse than the last. You wonder why the people who pay for the game have less and less respect for you... Think about it when you consistently ignore what the player asks for and fail dismally to fix the fixes you fixed last time. If you want to be taken seriously you need to remember.. Authority... Action... Accountability! Trust me you are loosing players and it may not seem like it right now but carry on like this and you will be back to 4k peeps online at a time will be a big night again.
Galees	Posted - 2008.03.13 06:59:00 - [107] Hi I have this problem when i try to install the patch file: bulkdata/2057.cache error = ept0018 so the patch fails to being installed.
Corazona	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:04:00 - [108] Continued... CCP: With the delays originating from the restoration process itself; it was very difficult to give an exact ETA. We regret any inconvenience these delays may have caused. Translation: No we don't. And if you actually contact any CCP employee we'll show just how little we care. CCP: We would love to hear your thoughts and feedback on the latest changes presented. Translation: We're not really sure that the database is restored correctly, and if you don't tell us there are problems, we will never know. If you do tell us, we will deny it indefinitely. CCP: Please keep all feedback to this thread; all other will be locked and redirected. Translation: Look, if we don't particularly like your feedback on this thread, we'll delete it. Don't toy with us; we still have admin access to what's left of your database records.
Corazona	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:05:00 - [109] Do you realize I had to re-login to this website seven times between the 1st post I made here, and the Continued post just below it? How do you guys screw up everything you touch?
Lord Fitz	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:22:00 - [110] Originally by: Cerea Gleeve The 1152x864 screen resolution is gone!? It is still there for me.... I have found that Eve doesn't have resolutions to select from by default, it reads them from the list your Windows settings give you, I actually setup my own 1920x1100 resolution under windows and it then would appear in Eve. If you don't have that resolution on your Windows display settings listing then it won't appear in Eve. If you do it should. (not sure how this works for Linux/MacOS etc.
Bianca Danan	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:25:00 - [111] Originally by: CCP Mitnal There's a news item about missions/the API - Here A list of known issues includes: Extensions.dll file reported missing Problems with rookie missions (also in the news item) Corrupt mission briefing issue Render issues and error spam when shot at by NPCÆs Moon graphics acting up under certain circumstances Graphics animation for capital ships jumping reported missing after the patch. COSMOS agent mission defect Patching problems Clicking that "here" link takes me to forum index !?!?!?
Klaatu Nikto	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:27:00 - [112] 1. drone window position is reseted every dock/undock or disconnect (bug #54211), 2. fleet window state (normal/minimized) isn't saved - every new fleet join causes this windows to open in normal (not minimized) state even if it was minimized before (bug #54212)
Belleza chilena	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:30:00 - [113] Hi My English is low, but... My operative system show error (blue screen) and reboot when I play Eve since the new patch Anyone else ???? Please Help ¦o¦
Papio Hamadryas	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:30:00 - [114] Here's how I fixed the missing video resolution on my machine: I changed my machine video mode to the one I wanted to use in game. That made it appear in the Eve options. I switched eve to my desired res and then changed my machine back to it's original res. Now I can play Eve windowed the at the right res.
woddel	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:30:00 - [115] ollas. so far it works. but what i noted is that in the skills window, one can not right click (& show information) anymore on skills for which one does not have the book. i saw one other post in this thread and i just want to note that i have the problem too, as some others i asked in corp chat about that. that is fairly important i think, for planning. cheerios, woddel --- creator and maintainer of eve-commander complete web based character information tool.
Zy'or Tealon	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:32:00 - [116] - All settings nuked. - Dual client setup totally broken due to 'alt-tab bug' I didn't dare try to undock. Thanks CCP, great patch. Back to playing Sins of a Solar Empire for another week or 2. o/ --------------- The new Bug Reporting process rules! Use it and help make EvE even better! Quote: Test your software or your users will!
McRuder	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:32:00 - [117] CCP, Please provide proof of the following: - You have a QA department. - Deployments is not via FTP from dev pc to the live box. - You are not being paid to annoy your playerbase.
Jei'son Bladesmith	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:34:00 - [118] Originally by: Varrakk ALT key to show moon icons in space no longer works. Needs fix asap! read patch notes, its not broken, it was changed Kever Shigenaga > If you could become your ingame char, would you? Jei'son Bladesmith > my char is a billionare, flys spaceships, and owns a prostitute, what the **** do you think
ChapterMaster	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:34:00 - [119] Originally by: OzakiFragments I thought when I quit playing EQ2 I'd be safe from SOE behavior/ethics. I think I might be wrong =/. So is there any update fro the dev's or anyone on the CCP side on what they're going to do besides they're "fixing" things whil they eat pizza. Cuz I'd hate to know waht they were doing before this patch =X. Oh damn, looks like someone needs to call a Waaambulance, get over yourself, you dont like it? go play WoW, there you will meet other people with a 5 second attention span. The devs ARE fixing it, they need to eat to you horrible boring little man, how would you like it if you are at work and some douchebag comes in tells you that you cant have your break because they want you to do their work NOW. Tell you what I would would tell them, its being worked on, and they are working as fast as they can. Your life must be very empty if you are getting so worked up over a frigging GAME! ITS NOT REAL LIFE! its supposed to be a fun escape. If you dont see it like that, maybe you should go and try to breathe water for about an hour.
ChapterMaster	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:35:00 - [120] Originally by: McRuder CCP, Please provide proof of the following: - You have a QA department. - Deployments is not via FTP from dev pc to the live box. - You are not being paid to annoy your playerbase. you too, please see above.

Chribba	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:37:00 - [121] Edited by: Chribba on 13/03/2008 07:45:16 Originally by: Patch Notes The Copy/Material Efficiency/Production Efficiency time on Miner II BPO has been reduced to be in line with other T2 BPOs Lies. You should review it again, it's still too high imo. Secure 3rd party service ■ Do you Veldspar?

Tammaria Snegallja	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:39:00 - [122] Originally by: CCP Mitnal (url="http://myeve.eve-online.com/control/news.asp?a=edit&newsID=1864")Here(/url) Very funny. How many of us are supposed to be able to edit a news item? (Apart from the BoB CEOs, that is...)
Henry Loenwind	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:43:00 - [123] Whow, many new bugs. And I can't see experience them because my EVE won't start at all. Splash screen and nothing else. Great patch.
Carniflex	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:45:00 - [124] Originally by: Xlex Terrible FPS on one of two systems. The older system is almost not playable where it was fine pre-patch and using classic graphics. System one is fine, which is newer. I have also performance issue. Used to be more or less fine running 2 premium gfx clients before patch. Now I'm getting 5 fps if I fire up 2 of them (with same settings), hell even if I switch to classic and fire up 2 clients I get only approx 15 fps in station. It is roughly 30 to 50% lower frame rate than previously. Not very major defect just slight annoyance as I can propable tweak some settings even more downwards to get acceptable fps.
KingOzar	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:46:00 - [125] Again, what is going on with the API keys. I think this issue is a little more demanding and needs to be handled right away.
ArchenTheGreat	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:46:00 - [126] Originally by: Lord Fitz I actually setup my own 1920x1100 resolution under windows and it then would appear in Eve. I have the same problem. How do you setup your own resolution under Windows?
Bianca Danan	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:48:00 - [127] Originally by: KingOzar Again, what is going on with the API keys. I think this issue is a little more demanding and needs to be handled right away. API's have been disabled until after DT today(13/3/08) see here: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=724308
Ralara	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:48:00 - [128] You guys were up til 4am to fix that for us? Thanks -- Ralara / Ralarina
Shentha	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:53:00 - [129] WOW a lot of problems i see.... i had none of what i have read so far.. my overview was perfict with all folder in the p&p i have all screen reslotions alls the same as befor the patch.. however one of 3 pc's will not load eve atm not shure if its related to the patch i think i was haveing problems with it befor and 6 reinstalls and man removeing files left over ect didnt help.. other then that things worked good for me...
Klaatu Nikto	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:53:00 - [130] Edited by: Klaatu Nikto on 13/03/2008 07:53:13 nevermind
KingOzar	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:53:00 - [131] Originally by: Bianca Danan Originally by: KingOzar Again, what is going on with the API keys. I think this issue is a little more demanding and needs to be handled right away. API's have been disabled until after DT today(13/3/08) see here: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=724308 Thank you, I missed that.
VIP Ares	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:53:00 - [132] You got my support guys, keep working, fix bugs, and lets play with new boost patch. Working as a developer myself, so i know how wrong this things can go ;) My avatar is not showing. Pls fix!
OzakiFragments	Posted - 2008.03.13 07:59:00 - [133] Originally by: ChapterMaster Edited by: ChapterMaster on 13/03/2008 07:38:20 Originally by: OzakiFragments I thought when I quit playing EQ2 I'd be safe from SOE behavior/ethics. I think I might be wrong =/. So is there any update fro the dev's or anyone on the CCP side on what they're going to do besides they're "fixing" things whil they eat pizza. Cuz I'd hate to know waht they were doing before this patch =X. Oh damn, looks like someone needs to call a Waaambulance, get over yourself, you don't like it? go play WoW, there, you will meet other people with a 5 second attention span. The Devs ARE fixing it, they need to eat as well to you horrible, boring, little man. How would you like it if you are at work and some douchebag comes in tells you that you cant have your break because they want you to do their work NOW. Tell you what I would would tell them, its being worked on, and they are working as fast as they can. Your life must be very empty if you are getting so worked up over a frigging GAME! ITS NOT REAL LIFE! its supposed to be a fun escape. If you don't see it like that, maybe you should go and try to breathe water for about an hour. Good job, is there any other insult you can do that doesnt relate to WoW? Just so you know, EQ2 isnt WoW, so thank you for your 5+ second attention span. Also, I was pretty calm throughout all my posts, I wasnt typing in caps or cussing CCP out. Nonetheless, its ok if you havent read my post at all and wanted to flame me for personal reasons no one really cares about. I just compared two companies, asked what they're doing and hoped they wouldnt make more mistakes that other people have been posting about. It's odd that you would add in that I wanted them to fix it instantly, did I ever demand that? Well I can pretty much say that I never demanded an instant patch, I just want an update, is that so much to ask for? I think YOU should chill out, since I never issued any death threats in my posts nor flipped out cuz someone started whining.
Danae Melios	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:00:00 - [134] Hmm, had the mission details replaced by database call error bug, the drones and overview realigning bug. Haven't found anyone in my corp complaining about settings being messed up though. All of mine were still there, on both accounts. Wonder why it is that some people say they get hit with it every patch, while others who have been in the game for years say they can't remember it ever happening to them? Originally by: game box Conceive a new life without boundaries, where murder, plunder, betrayal, and delusions of grandeur will lead you to boundless glory or to the brink of ruin.
Jilly Serkov	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:03:00 - [135] Market quickbar has lost alphabetical sorting - and its horrible. Can this be fixed (I see no obvious way to force a sort) ??? Apols if this has already been covered - please linky-meh.
Sylthi	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:06:00 - [136] Edited by: Sylthi on 13/03/2008 08:07:22 I have to admit that I thought CCP had topped most politicians ability/willingness to lie with the line: "and not a single 'nerf'." But, then, I got to thinking about it. I suppose, if you look at it the way most of the "balancing" devs look at the world (i.e. twisted, upside-down, and back-to-front) it is actually the truth. Think about it. There is in fact "not a SINGLE nerf", there are in fact, MULTIPLE nerfs. You could actually call each and every ship resist nerf its own individual nerf. So, from their perspective, the twisted way they look at things, I can see how they think they actually told the truth. Ok... Ok... Yeah, enough is enough. I have sarcastically dragged them over the coals enough I suppose. Bottom line: Devs, it's bad enough that you stealth nerfed a bunch of ships resists and tried to pass it off as a "boost", you don't have to make it worse by sitting there and lying about it. Call it whatever you want, no matter how you look at it, a ship's resist stat going DOWN is a NERF; no matter how it affects anyone else who isn't flying that ship. Hope that clears that up for everybody. Final Thoughts on the Patch: Devs: Good job on the few actual boosts that made it past the ôbalancingö hack job. I hope the people that are affected by them enjoy the minor benefits that they offer. Great job on the few LONG STANDING bugs you finally got around to fixing. Bad job on creating more bugs while fixing the old ones; but nothing new there I guess. Most of the new features look really cool, thanks for them. They will look even better when they are all working right. Enough with the nerfbat already, this WAS supposed to be THE ôboostö patch after all. DonÆt worry too much about the massively extended DT from what was announced. Shyte happens. I work in IT, I know. It just seems that it ALWAYS happens to you guys. Funny that. And, on a final thought; how come the ôboostsö didnÆt carry through to faction ships, but the NERFS did??!!?? I.E. The Apoc boosts to grid and range didnÆt carry to the Navy Apoc. BUT, the resist nerfs to the Raven DID carry to the Navy Raven. I guess some ôboostsö are just ôboostierö than others, huh? Lords, what a crock of shyte! Out. * *
Nak Manakhan	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:07:00 - [137] Seems like you guys have got a lot of fun ahead of you ;) I don't envy you having to work with a 5 year old client and an internet player base throwing their teddies out the cot. I've not had much time to play yet - work demands, and so on - but I did notice on the character sheet that we can now View Market Details from the right-click on a skill. Unfortunately this only works on skills I already know, and I don't really need to know the details of them - but those I want to learn, I can't right-click. Just one more of the thousands of little things you have on your list now, no doubt. But thank you for all this anyway - I'm Amarrian
Enkilil	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:07:00 - [138] I downloaded the patch earlier tonight but didn't have an opportunity to try playing... given what I've been reading here in forums, should I even 'try' to start it up, or will I end up with a bsod, crash, without an ability to restart my computer again? Just wondering if the 'extended' downtime none of us are getting reimbursed for should include the 3 days of not being able to play while we wait for a 'patch' to fix the 'patch', and then a 'resultant patch' to fix the 'patch' that fixed the 'patch'. Oh, I forgot the few hours it's going to take to get all my bookmarks and settings back to normal.... Can someone please verify that there's going to be or not be a bugfix for all these problems? I'm not going to risk it if it's going to jag up my system (or worse, make it completely unusable) again... I don't have hours on end to fix what I didn't personally break... TIV
ChapterMaster	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:09:00 - [139] Originally by: OzakiFragments Originally by: ChapterMaster Edited by: ChapterMaster on 13/03/2008 07:38:20 Originally by: OzakiFragments I thought when I quit playing EQ2 I'd be safe from SOE behavior/ethics. I think I might be wrong =/. So is there any update fro the dev's or anyone on the CCP side on what they're going to do besides they're "fixing" things whil they eat pizza. Cuz I'd hate to know waht they were doing before this patch =X. Oh damn, looks like someone needs to call a Waaambulance, get over yourself, you don't like it? go play WoW, there, you will meet other people with a 5 second attention span. The Devs ARE fixing it, they need to eat as well to you horrible, boring, little man. How would you like it if you are at work and some douchebag comes in tells you that you cant have your break because they want you to do their work NOW. Tell you what I would would tell them, its being worked on, and they are working as fast as they can. Your life must be very empty if you are getting so worked up over a frigging GAME! ITS NOT REAL LIFE! its supposed to be a fun escape. If you don't see it like that, maybe you should go and try to breathe water for about an hour. Good job, is there any other insult you can do that doesnt relate to WoW? Just so you know, EQ2 isnt WoW, so thank you for your 5+ second attention span. Also, I was pretty calm throughout all my posts, I wasnt typing in caps or cussing CCP out. Nonetheless, its ok if you havent read my post at all and wanted to flame me for personal reasons no one really cares about. I just compared two companies, asked what they're doing and hoped they wouldnt make more mistakes that other people have been posting about. It's odd that you would add in that I wanted them to fix it instantly, did I ever demand that? Well I can pretty much say that I never demanded an instant patch, I just want an update, is that so much to ask for? I think YOU should chill out, since I never issued any death threats in my posts nor flipped out cuz someone started whining. TLDR
Schani Kratnorr	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:19:00 - [140] I was just having a chat with a corp mate of mine yesterday, and we both agreed that the "patch delay possible"-message did more harm than good. Perhaps it is time we all look at eachother and stop expecting patch-downtime to last less than 24 hours? Tranquility is becoming a large beast, and dancing with her is an all-night event... How about: "Tranquility will undergo an extended downtime to deploy the latest patch. Normal service is expected to resume in 24 hours, though EVE may be available before that." This message gives you 24 hours of "dont expect EVE to behave", and leaves room for positive surprises. My buddy and myself agreed that not knowing what to expect is worse than having to deal with a long downtime. The "something happened"-type messages only increase frustration and speculation. I have played since beta, so I have long since stopped planning to play on patchday. I just find it strange that you (CPP) are still able to be so blissfully optimistic just prior to every patchday Other than that point of critisism, I am about to log in now, so good job getting EVE up again, and thanks for a great game.
Sylthi	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:24:00 - [141] Originally by: Schani Kratnorr I was just having a chat with a corp mate of mine yesterday, and we both agreed that the "patch delay possible"-message did more harm than good. Perhaps it is time we all look at eachother and stop expecting patch-downtime to last less than 24 hours? Tranquility is becoming a large beast, and dancing with her is an all-night event... How about: "Tranquility will undergo an extended downtime to deploy the latest patch. Normal service is expected to resume in 24 hours, though EVE may be available before that." This message gives you 24 hours of "dont expect EVE to behave", and leaves room for positive surprises. My buddy and myself agreed that not knowing what to expect is worse than having to deal with a long downtime. The "something happened"-type messages only increase frustration and speculation. I have played since beta, so I have long since stopped planning to play on patchday. I just find it strange that you (CPP) are still able to be so blissfully optimistic just prior to every patchday Other than that point of critisism, I am about to log in now, so good job getting EVE up again, and thanks for a great game. Lots of good thoughts and truth in there. Good on you m8! I especially liked the "still able to be so blissfully optimistic" bit. Cheers from another "since beta" vet! * *
Miter	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:26:00 - [142] OK First, ''not a single nerf'' is not a lie. It means ''many nerfs'' just like any other patch. Note that the patch notes that are displayed with the installer do not match the patchnotes webpage. Only one ''critical'' is listed there (instead of three), and also those installer notes are cut off in the middle of ''Corporation'' issues, lopping off a section or two. I'm an expert on preserving my game settings. It is getting tiresome having to figure out where my settings need to be placed for each patch. /end /LUA:OFF seems to do nothing after the patch. My guess is some dev was so hyped on getting the new 'separate settings per install' feature going that they forgot about the switch. The new undocking behavior is crap: I urge everyone to file a bug report about it. The anchored secure cans being deleted after 30 days need to be lengthened to 90 or 180 days (as discussed elsewhere) Having a special day when drones/shuttles/etc that are left out over the downtime get deleted needs to be fixed. I leave out something on the 15th and it stays there 2 weeks, but if I leave something out on the 31st it get deleted immediately? Not well thought out. You need a better QA department, and some sort of game designer to step in when the DBA tries to implement game features (the disappearing can and item idea)
Inspiration	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:28:00 - [143] This is much worse then I feared after the initial patch delay....back to the stone age it is for me and it should NEVER have been deployed in its current state! From the 5 minutes I logged on to change skills, this is what I found: * ALL user settings are gone (display settings, window positions positions), and using old backed up setting files will not fix this. * I get literally spammed to death with rookie messages and checkboxes i have to tick, and am sure of it it will get me killed at least once the next 24 hours! * Dual screen functionality under vista is now broken, it was working before patch perfectly. Specific interest in this is not recognizing the available resolutions that accompany each adapter (dual screen is presented to EVE as two cards with the same name). This is as far as I got after logging in, changed skills and logged off. From what I seen it most likely will have crippled my overview as well! This patch is not worthy of more of my attention. Please roll the whole NERF back and start your homework over CCP. To top it off this all happends just as an coleague of my gotten interested and installed the trial of EVE...this whole patch is BAD publicity!
Chasida	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:28:00 - [144] If its correct that it wipes even bookmarks, its really really really bad. Try living in 0.0 space, and loose all bookmarks to installations and jump bridges. Please dont let this happen again, its really really bad! Chasida
Kerfira	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:29:00 - [145] Edited by: Kerfira on 13/03/2008 08:31:43 Mitnal... How do I get my account settings, overviews etc. back? I notice how you're conveniently 'forgetting' to mention anything about this even though it seems to be the issue most mentioned Originally by: Inspiration Please roll the whole ~~NERF~~patch back and start your homework over CCP. Seconded! Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Jolliejoe	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:38:00 - [146] Nice messup on yet another patch CCP... wow, you guys really don't know what you are doing, do you? Also, your message of the day has been sort of static all day yesterday so how did that keep us informed?
Beness	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:38:00 - [147] "Ignore Buy Orders that are more than x % below regional average" doesn't seem to have any effect - at least on orders not in the same station.
Asdohol	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:39:00 - [148] Originally by: zigrend Originally by: TLani I dont know if this has anything to do with the patch, but evemon will not work for me now. Just wondering if anyone else is having the same problem. Now as far as the changes go, GOOD WORK I like the welcome pages a lot. They will help me figure out the market much better and maybe even make more iskie's Second this.... evemon is not working. I also is having the same problem resdungeon.stuff
Raven Seldon	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:39:00 - [149] Why do you do tests? It's already not normal to postpone a release for 24 hours due to more time needed to do tests!!! That means you don't validate the patches you release or what??? Ofc, you can't test it all but things like copying a database for testing purposes shouldn't be too hard. It's not all bad ofc , it's just with every update, there is this dTja-vu feeling. ______________________________________________ Everyone has the right to be stupid. Just don't abuse the privilege!
Piomioinrio	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:39:00 - [150] hi ccp, you killed my client. downloaded a first patch directly from the login screen, size about 18 mbyte, as far as i remember. startet the patching and was told: please download another patch, this one won`t work. so i followed that advice, downloaded another patch file, size about 10 mbyte. the patching procedure failed somewhere in the middle and i was told: your eve installation is somehow corrupt, please install eve again:-( i hope, i just made a stupid mistake. if not, it seems, that you guys from ccp will have to fix the procedure itselt and adjust the primary file. pio
ZURAN 666	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:44:00 - [151] Edited by: ZURAN 666 on 13/03/2008 08:45:48 Edited by: ZURAN 666 on 13/03/2008 08:45:04 I am using the Linux Client on a machine using Ubuntu 7.10. After the patch, I cannot see the portraits of people too clearly. The background shows up fine but the pictures do not. Also the Inside circle showing cap status is blank. When I hover my mouse over something that would give the black information bar thing it comes back only while the black information bar is on screen. Like when I hover over my ship and it says my name in that bar the capacitor grid is there. When I quit hovering it leaves and becomes black. Also when I am undocking and it says entering space. The status bar is no longer the oval that fills in like it used to be, but is now just a white rectangular box. The graphical improvements made for linux and mac clients is definately noticable and does look nice. But one very small small criticism with the patch. It has been advertised as a patch without nerfing........what about the resistance changes for the raven? ;-) Kein Mehrheit Fnr Die Mitleid
Miter	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:51:00 - [152] Edited by: Miter on 13/03/2008 08:53:02 Bookmarks are kept on server and unless they purposely decree that they are deleting bookmarks, they do not get removed. Bookmark folders are kept on the client side and get happily deleted anytime settings are lost, such as after each and every patch. Hint: If you start the EvE client, and you don't see your account name offered at the login area -- Congratulations! You have lost all settings.
Foxy PurpleHaze	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:54:00 - [153] Quote: Optional Upgrade System * Light-weight optional upgrades can now be applied to you client periodically should the need arise. * You will have the option to install these upgrades if you feel they are beneficial and they will never be installed without your permission. What the hell are 'optional upgrades' exactly??
Gilbo	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:58:00 - [154] Originally by: Ralara You guys were up til 4am to fix that for us? Thanks seconded!
Azuse	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:58:00 - [155] Pressing the dl patch button and immediately being presented with the verification failed message, only problem is the 18 meg patch never downloads it just spams that message, vista x64 if it helps. Trying the manual patch now... -------------------------
Ahkali Ahline	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:58:00 - [156] Well I am not read 6 pages to see if someone else posted this. My drone window keeps popping the right edge of my overview. When I launch my drones the window disappears and the reappears. All my in game browser bookmarks are gone. There is at least one agent hosed, but that said the error was logged and would be correct, anyways his name is Sistran Hednur. It was kind of a pain to get my drone to show up in space, had to try a trial and error of setting to get them to show up, but there is a large green square over them I am still trying to figure out to remove that. Also I put in a petition 2 days ago and have not heard a thing back. I am totally surprised by this since the other 2 petitions I submitted where answered in less than an hours. Happy to see the other "boost", though.
AntonioBanderas	Posted - 2008.03.13 08:59:00 - [157] tl;dr ccp fails again, nothing new there and all you ppl out there, do what i do. When the patch deployment is announced, set a LONG skill and simply don't log at least a day AFTER the deployment. You KNOW it will take them few more days and a couple of minipatches to make things normal an playable again. I mean, is it so ******* hard to install patch few times on the test server,and actually TRY it? Bah. Thank go on team fortress 2 I can say ASS \o/ yay!!!
Enkilil	Posted - 2008.03.13 09:00:00 - [158] Originally by: Miter Hint: If you start the EvE client, and you don't see your account name offered at the login area -- Congratulations! You have lost all settings. QFT and thanks for my new forum signature! Originally by: Miter Hint: If you start the EvE client, and you don't see your account name offered at the login area -- Congratulations! You have lost all settings.
1337tong	Posted - 2008.03.13 09:02:00 - [159] Originally by: Kerfira Edited by: Kerfira on 13/03/2008 08:31:43 Mitnal... How do I get my account settings, overviews etc. back? with any major patch its to be expected. only thing you can do about it is set it up again and hope it stays. if it doesnt then post bout it
Miter	Posted - 2008.03.13 09:04:00 - [160] I'm attempting to leave a trail of breadcrumbs so others can get thier client working. It seems that ''/end /LUA:OFF'' is looking for/saving config files in <EvEDIR>/Settings instead of <EvEDIR>/cache/Setttings.
Cactus Tarantula	Posted - 2008.03.13 09:11:00 - [161] ALT Z does not work...
Tom Willson	Posted - 2008.03.13 09:12:00 - [162] This ... Rocked. Login to EVE gone from 1 - > 2 min to 5 seconds, reduced lag ingame on menu's, no overview bugs (as mentioned before.) It's really just working so much better. 10/10 PS: You need to right click the individual tabs on the Overview and select overview setup for it to stay in place. Works for me at any rate.
Ruoska	Posted - 2008.03.13 09:14:00 - [163] Overall customer satisfaction: good I like the fact that you actually learned something about communications. Notifications are now visible to people accessing your site. Splendid! That been said, a few questions; - why did the early version of the MOTD have info "it may take as long as until tomorrow" (or similar wording) and it was edited out? I found that "may ... until tomorrow" making it the BEST MOTD based info I have ever read - "OK, fine, no point staring at the screen, I will return to Eve tomorrow". - It appears as if you haven't yet picked up on the idea of semi-regular informing... While the MOTD message containing the "long version" can stay, I bet there were still lots of people, especially those who didn't catch that "may ... until tomorrow", that would have appreciated, say once in 2 hours, droplets... "Sorry, still nothing more specific available on ETA. Oh, btw, heard that the proble is item descriptions that got mangled in the update and those are being retrieved from backups" or whatever.. - Why do these messages not have a time stamp on them in the web page? I like the disclosure here now, and posted once the situation has been cleared. I really do put a high value on this, and having a mistake like screwing item descriptions isn't making any credibility dents to the corp in my eyes - but telling about things builds respect and trust. This improvement in communications is considered from my part a good one and very welcomed. I am curious thou, how laborous is it for your organization, and is costly (do you have to wake someone up for this or keep someone at work at night - or can you shift MOTD responsibility to your US office and then ...(?)) ...just thinking in regards what I mentioned about semi-regular info droplets... Good good good, I approve. Thank You! P.S. You did it again, didn't you? All my setting from all my clients are lost once again... arf.
Judician Nar	Posted - 2008.03.13 09:15:00 - [164] Originally by: Bannie Bajannie I haven't logged in yet, but I'm most irked by the blurb about 'not a single 'nerf''. How was the resistance reduction not a nerf? That's because it's not a 'nerf', it's balancing, and there have been very good reasons given why this has been implemented. Quit whining and get on with it :p
Crux Australis	Posted - 2008.03.13 09:18:00 - [165] I can't dualbox anymore since it causes my system to randomly lock up and no amount of ctrl+alt+del can bring up the task manager and at least let me terminate the process, hence I have to reset my system with the power button every time. General performance has gone down as well, I have worse FPS and can hear my HDD working all the time (dunno if this matters, but still it didn't happen before this patch). Oh, while we are at it, the bug with the UI windows repositioning themseslves after relog/undock has been on sisi (and reported) for weeks. This, once again, speaks volumes about your 'we need players to test' and QA system. Just fail, once again. Originally by: Mynas Atoch The contract with BOB over Period Basis served us no further, so we tore it up and binned it.
Llaneza	Posted - 2008.03.13 09:23:00 - [166] "specific items in the database had been incorrectly updated due to an error while updating the database" Too much time running Windows ? That error message sounds disturbingly familiar :-)
Amadeus Minzart	Posted - 2008.03.13 09:28:00 - [167] Horrible framerate on the classic client(5-15fps). Seems to be only in some systems. In other systems, the average frame rate appears to be around 32 fps, but seems to drop at regular intervals instead of random ones resulting in a steady lurching of the graphics. The visual representation of the fps (from ctrl-f) looks like a sawtoothed line. After reading all of these posts on this forum, I'm wondering if I'm going to regret paying for this game. I payed for my first month yesterday, and today post patching, the game is largely unplayable due to some graphical malfunction. Although it's fun watching a drone do a steady rhythmic stop and go routine, I think I could live without it.
Sylthi	Posted - 2008.03.13 09:34:00 - [168] Edited by: Sylthi on 13/03/2008 09:35:26 Originally by: Judician Nar Originally by: Bannie Bajannie I haven't logged in yet, but I'm most irked by the blurb about 'not a single 'nerf''. How was the resistance reduction not a nerf? That's because it's not a 'nerf', it's balancing, and there have been very good reasons given why this has been implemented. Quit whining and get on with it :p OHHHHH!! I see. So, they have renamed "nerf" to "balancing". Thanks for clearing that up. Not sure why they did that though tbh. "Nerf" is so much easier and faster to say. In all seriousness though, just because you have "very good reasons" to gun someone down like a dog, doesn't change the fact that DOING it is still murder. Also, just like calling a pile of crap a "rose" doesn't make it smell any sweeter. You want people to quit talking about it? Then maybe you should help to get CCP to stop NERFing stuff so we don't HAVE to talk about it. There is a concept: i.e. be part of the solution rather than just telling people to "shut up." Bottom line: That is what CCP WANTS us to do here, give them our feedback about the patch. If people think it sucks, they should be free to say so. If you think its great, cool, say so. But, don't tell others to "shut up" just because you don't agree with them. Last note, just kinda guessing here, but, uh, you don't actually FLY a Raven, do you? * *
Miter	Posted - 2008.03.13 09:34:00 - [169] Originally by: Enkilil Originally by: Miter Hint: If you start the EvE client, and you don't see your account name offered at the login area -- Congratulations! You have lost all settings. QFT and thanks for my new forum signature! Right. Reporting a way to tell if your settings are lost is trolling. GG. Well, thanks for spreading my message around, at least.
RichThugster	Posted - 2008.03.13 09:36:00 - [170] Please Please Please, add a "toggle blink" option to the EWAR appearance tab in overview, would be sooooooo uber
Icedwhite	Posted - 2008.03.13 09:37:00 - [171] Edited by: Icedwhite on 13/03/2008 09:39:58 I dont know if this is correct but i switch off tutorials through the esc > general settings menu. With the new patch I switched that setting off again, but I still get the tutorials like the one about cloning. And undocking keeps changing my display settings. EDIT: And turning off those "Welcome screens" does nothing for me cos they just come back like the tutorials.
Eleana Tomelac	Posted - 2008.03.13 09:41:00 - [172] The patch wrecked my settings... Is it because I run all eve clients with the /end /LUA:OFF ? (to avoid cache mixing between different versions for tq and sisi...) It's a bit annoying, but nothing too painfull, it's just a few minutes lost for overview, drone hotkeys, colors, channels... At least, I didn't loose my IGB bookmarks! -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast ! Assault Frigates MK II
Asdohol	Posted - 2008.03.13 09:45:00 - [173] As with every Patch I got to Download the entire client and hope that one of them is not corrupt. One of the things i have learnt is wait 3-4 days after it is back up to get said Download cause it should have all the patches, covering the patches that are covering the patch. Only one of My fellow Corp mate that i know in Real Life (There are 7 of us) has been able to get into the game so we been bugging him with logging in for skill changes With only one day a week to play it gets annoying to have to find something else to play. But if future patches keep goin the way this one and al the others before it i'll go play something else. I wonder what WOW is like
Zartoll	Posted - 2008.03.13 09:51:00 - [174] A new patch and I don't know if there are any issues other than: Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. I downloaded and installed eveclassicpatch49635-51200.exe without any error messages until I started game.
Morden Nok	Posted - 2008.03.13 09:53:00 - [175] Following rigs were supposed to get boosted: Warp Core Optimizer rigs: warp capacitor need reduction increased to -40% for tech 1 and -50% for tech 2 Energy and Hybrid Discharge Elutriation rigs: capacitor need reduction increased to -20% for tech 1 and -25% for tech 2 Ionic Field Projector rigs: max targeting range increased to +25% for tech 1 and +30% for tech 2 Unfortunately, they all still have the same statistics as before patch. (Bug report ID:54245)
AceOfSpace	Posted - 2008.03.13 09:55:00 - [176] Problems with restoring the game (fullscreen) after having it minimised here. Sometimes it's ok, but it seems that the longer I spend with it minimised, the more likely it is that when I click on it it just doesn't appear. Mouse disappears as if I'm in it, and ctrl-q will exit, so it hasn't crashed. -it's my job to do it-
Kurann	Posted - 2008.03.13 09:56:00 - [177] Edited by: Kurann on 13/03/2008 09:59:25 Edited by: Kurann on 13/03/2008 09:58:20 a) Originally by: ChapterMaster Originally by: OzakiFragments Originally by: ChapterMaster Edited by: ChapterMaster on 13/03/2008 07:38:20 Originally by: OzakiFragments blah blah TLDR really? was it really that long? a paragraph and a half is too long for you? or is that what you respond to logic with? you belong in WoW, the barrens awaits you... /sigh b) thus far, I have had no problems patching, running the patch, setting overview settings, keeping windows in place (with the exception of my local channel moving to the top of the screen when something is glued to the top of it and i close the top window, mildly annoying at best), bookmarks (i don't do folders, too lazy, and i sort by system name so i can find things... and yes i recognize systems i frequent), fps drops, or alt+tabbing between two clients (running 2 instances of the same premium client in windowed mode on xp works fine for me). Haven't had time to mess with the boost (thank you CCP for boosting my beloved amarr ships, can the pilgrim be next plz?) or the "balance"... all in all, too much whining, if you want to complain about deployment issues, too bad, it happens, thats life, **** happens (albeit with a competitent QA dept, not often)... new overview features require settings on the old overview features to be wiped so the work on the new features, otherwise you'd all be whining about that too... API keys would be nice, but i can live without them for a night, DB issues need to come first so everything that users are haveing issue with in game can be fixed, external things (i.e. API) can wait. set an alarm or something if you're really that worried about your skill finishing soon. i wouldn't give the deployment a 10/10, based on all the issues arising, but a 7/10 is appropriate...i mean at least you can log in and all your skills are still there, right?
Ffuantu Grym	Posted - 2008.03.13 09:58:00 - [178] Edited by: Ffuantu Grym on 13/03/2008 10:02:07 The one of the bugs with the minimap display is also still there. In this case the solarsystem display on the minimap shrinks to an unreadable size after you've travelled several jumps. Here's a screenshot: http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=brokenmapsa6.jpg
Lyra Sy	Posted - 2008.03.13 09:59:00 - [179] Yeah, see my post on page 4 about how you might get your settings back. All those folders have moved around it seems. I don't mind that, but it should have been at the absolute TOP of the patch notes. That is a BIG deal. I bet if you figured in windows colors, positions, sizings, bookmark folders, overview settings, I have 100+ tweaks in there. FROM NOW ON CCP I WANT TO KNOW ANYTIME YOU TOUCH ANYTHING TO DO WITH SETTINGS FILES. Geez, this is getting old. I don't mind you improving things just put it in the ****'ing patch notes so we have some warning. I've now got shortcuts and multiple settings folders all over the freaking place from trying to sort that mess out. And station environments seem to be getting loaded and rendered even if "Load Station environment" is unchecked. See my previous post for details. Off now to see if upgrading my graphics drivers gets me any fps love.
Yali	Posted - 2008.03.13 10:02:00 - [180] How do we prevent the ships from spinning while docked in station. It makes me sick. ---------- Kill them all - God will recongnize his own.
KBP	Posted - 2008.03.13 10:04:00 - [181] Hi As I understand it there is no nerf in this, but what about the missing 10% explosive resistance in shield, and -10% in EM resists Armor, in Minmantar ships (probably other races also), is that not considered a Nerf???
Phuong	Posted - 2008.03.13 10:05:00 - [182] Originally by: Yali How do we prevent the ships from spinning while docked in station. It makes me sick. Uncheck 'Orbit Station'
phynite	Posted - 2008.03.13 10:05:00 - [183] I am a fairly new player (2 months)who found/finds it rather frustrating that there is very poor communication about the status of the gameworld. I cannot even log in so I have no idea about how good or bad my experience will be with patch. I have no idea if the game is up or not. (message on login screen says server status is unknown). How hard could it possibly be to have a game status monitor somewhere on the main webpage that one could check to see if the game is actually up... or if it's a problem on my end.
Kerfira	Posted - 2008.03.13 10:05:00 - [184] To all the people whining about 'nerfs'.... Nerfing is a necessity in any game that develops over time, and I'll show an example why. Say this game had 4 battleships, fairly well balanced. A game change is made that makes one of those much better than the others. Now, the game designer has 3 choices: 1. Do nothing 2. Boost 3 battleships (and all smaller/larger ships to balance them) 3. Nerf 1 battleship If he chooses #1 eventually everyone will fly only 1 ship, if he chooses #2 it'll mean massive changes (and inflation in things like damage values, resists etc, soon making the numbers silly), or if #3 is chosen it'll mean slight changes to one ship and keeping numbers relevant. #3 is the logical choice if he wants to keep the game viable, so stop crying about it because the lot of you just show you have no knowledge about how to do game development Of.c. if it was the other way around and 1 BS was made much worse than the rest, then a boost is in order. This patch is a reasonably good mix of boosts and nerfs as it should be for proper balancing. Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
TheKilller Mac	Posted - 2008.03.13 10:06:00 - [185] I got a bug when I warped way from a belt, the rats stayed in my overview even though being 0.1 AU away, then I was unable to warp anywhere, couldn't even get 0.1 m/s, so i logged out and now when I try log into the character, not the account, it hangs at the Entering Game stage and won't get any further.
Kerfira	Posted - 2008.03.13 10:06:00 - [186] Edited by: Kerfira on 13/03/2008 10:08:35 Originally by: KBP Hi As I understand it there is no nerf in this, but what about the missing 10% explosive resistance in shield, and -10% in EM resists Armor, in Minmantar ships (probably other races also), is that not considered a Nerf??? No, it is game balancing, and you're a whiner.... CCP's analysis showed that the resists were broken slightly, so they fixed it. Read the dev blog as to why. Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Liberator 1	Posted - 2008.03.13 10:07:00 - [187] Hi, CCP it may be that your strategic approach needs re-evaluation. With one patch you have created many problems which you will now have to fix. Perhaps one patch at a time for the bugs that were present would have made more sense. You seem to have taken something that wasn't broken and fixed it. ------------------------------------------- ôIf you are in a spaceship that is traveling at the speed of light, and you turn on the headlights, does anything happen?ö -------------------------
Eraggan Sadarr	Posted - 2008.03.13 10:13:00 - [188] Originally by: Idara You people can't even get a single thread together can you? Overview completely wiped, again. Settings on all three clients, wiped, again. I'm really sick of redoing all of these ******* little things because you guys can understand how to keep them from patch to patch. I must agree on this. I'm the type of guy who spends a lot of time setting up my interface just the way i want it, and now its gone on all clients. Even all my channels i joined. This is not satifactory! At least you could tell people in advance that your settings are gonna be wiped CCP, You should make it a priority to have a settings backup feature. I'm tired of redoing all my overview settings AGAIN! Not to mention all the channels i have to rejoin. Regards An unsatisfied customer... Eve Market Scanner
Nyana Gunne	Posted - 2008.03.13 10:14:00 - [189] Me fps dropped from 25 to 4 (!!!) fps with the classic client on my notebook
Malaan Tabfassh	Posted - 2008.03.13 10:20:00 - [190] Just tested the ewar overview. This is really nice, but could we have either a seperate column for it or have the choice to freely move it around? For some of us it hides vital information like velocity or angular, when it stays like that. Only solution is currenty expanding the whole overview.
Ecid Q'Wulf	Posted - 2008.03.13 10:22:00 - [191] Edited by: Ecid Q''Wulf on 13/03/2008 10:24:29 downloading patch: Okay Patching : failed EWrror message: "Patch error in file. An Unknown error has occured. Please try to install this patch again. If this Error persists you migth want to reinstall the game. Error = error ept0029" Edit: Reinstall, did not work as they old Download file was missing. Downloaded teh patch again gave same error. Proceed with downloading full patch and backing up settings :P keep you updated ________ One like many, exactly like everyone else.
Miss Rumpelstilzchen	Posted - 2008.03.13 10:27:00 - [192] well.. better longer downtime the a rollback :) and 2 of my Friend`s don`t know the a update was planed (i misst to tell them ).. so a i have some ideas: 1.: Make a EveMail to all Player`s on this Date/Time server is down please setup a longterm skill... 2.: if the skill there currently traint .. it wold be cool the next skill stage will startet after the previous skill lvl is finishd.. (currently traind Battlecuriser 4... ETA 4h.. after this the next stage will start Battlecruiser 5) 3.: it would be nice the current Player with active Gametime given a bonus of 1 day Gametime, for the current Pacht issue, some of one lost 1 day gametime that is was i have to say :) thanks for reading
Wizzkidy	Posted - 2008.03.13 10:27:00 - [193] Terrible Terrible Terrible Terrible patch You have broken more then you have fixed. Sometimes I wonder why I bother.
annoing	Posted - 2008.03.13 10:36:00 - [194] I'm usually the first and most loud complainer when things go wrong with a patch but this time maybe i'm lucky? I havent had any of the problems experienced here so far. My windows have stayed where they were, my bm's (in their folders) are all there, my alt-tab works just fine tyvm, I can undock without problems (though I have noticed I end up many km's away now instead of just outside), all my planets/moons stay where they are without dissapearing and my bootcfg hasnt dissapeared either. I havent had a chance to re-fit my apoc so we'll see about that. I hope they sort out the problems for the rest of you, I really do. Dwi Cymraig According to the Pastafarian belief system, pirates are "absolute divine beings" and the original Pastafarians. Their image as "thieves and outcasts" is misinformation.
Maggtion Q	Posted - 2008.03.13 10:43:00 - [195] I am having major problems running multiple classic clients on both my systems since patch. A classic client will turn the white the screen
Mike'P	Posted - 2008.03.13 10:44:00 - [196] Well, it almost makes you think they really don't want to make the market UI any easier to use. Now it's great we don't have to change our 'range' and 'duration' settings nearly all the time (thanks CCP).... but then they screw it up by changing the sort order of the quickbar! So I save some mouseclicks with the boost, but end up needing more mouselicks with the sorting change. Thanks guys So, patch feedback: please put the market quickbar sorting back to alphabetical like it was.
JitaCitizen 72395	Posted - 2008.03.13 10:53:00 - [197] I just tried to open Eve and instead was presented with a frustrating and very annoying piece of ****. Will this bug be resolved soon?
Cutter Isaacson	Posted - 2008.03.13 10:56:00 - [198] Im sorry to hear about everyone elses problems, i hope CCP can you sort it out for you all, as for me, well I guess this time round i was one of the lucky ones. No issues with anything, i didnt even mind the 8 hours of training i missed (coulda stayed up till the servers went up at stupid o'clock but needed sleep). Not your best patch deployment to date CCP, but alteast there were no repeats of the dreaded boot.ini
Kayleigh Lothian	Posted - 2008.03.13 10:57:00 - [199] Edited by: Kayleigh Lothian on 13/03/2008 10:57:59 Originally by: Cerea Gleeve The 1152x864 screen resolution is gone!? I still have it on my 'puter, and the 1024x768. I remembered reading that 1280 should be the lowest res and would like to point out that in doing so, alot of us will lose the chance of frapsing in full resolution. Crappy movies where you can not se what happens because they where shot with half-resolution is nowhere near as good a PR-thiny as full res. movies. Let us be able to keep striking awe into the non-believers ;) ----------------------
Xodd Hil	Posted - 2008.03.13 10:58:00 - [200] Edited by: Xodd Hil on 13/03/2008 10:58:36 Let's see... bookmark all deleted, EVEMon not working, windows moving all around, chat windows not staying in their "title only" state (not the minimalized, the doubleclicked... worked before!).... And I didn't even undocked yet! Oh, yes, alt-tab is waaaaay slower now! Ah, and please, don't say that PR-laid "no nerf patch" after pulling a -10% resist on that many ships! It just gets on peoples nerves, and their trust in you (whatever little they have left) is going to evaporate slowly... that also means leaving EVE.
Laechyd Eldgorn	Posted - 2008.03.13 11:00:00 - [201] - Cerberus model still appears to be broken to me. (I thought it was gonna be fixed) - I heard some guy losing his implants while jump cloning. - Cannot close default overview tab? Would be nice.
Takeshi Yamato	Posted - 2008.03.13 11:02:00 - [202] Edited by: Takeshi Yamato on 13/03/2008 11:06:57 My petition received an answer and was resolved in 10 minutes. Unfortunately there was no way I could say thank you to the GM so I'm writing it here. On a side note: is there really no way to check the status and GM responses to one's petitions anymore? Also: the new market functions are great. As far as the rig changes go, the hybrid and energy turret rigs are still not desirable in my eyes simply because they are competing with ccc rigs which have no drawbacks and have a similar if not better effect on cap. Take away the drawbacks on Discharge Elutriation rigs and it should be good.
Kerfira	Posted - 2008.03.13 11:05:00 - [203] Originally by: KBP Originally by: Kerfira My post... Yea game balancing for the ppl not able to plan ahead, and do some reading before choosing the way they want to go, they are the real whiner's, making CCP changing it their way after realizing their bad choise, (think about that Einstein) I find it strange that you object to CCP correcting their mistakes.... When you have a very complex system like EVE with a massive number of interactions between different functionality, changing something will have unintended and unforeseen consequences, thus requiring later changes to correct that. You (mistakenly) see this as a personal nerf of your stuff, whereas anyone knowing just a tiny bit about game design will see it as necessary balancing. ...definitely no Einstein lost in you.... Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Silent Ronin	Posted - 2008.03.13 11:09:00 - [204] Just wanted to know with the daydreaming memorys of patch dates gone wrong in past. Heck remember a patch rollback begining of eve, if CCP is going to give 1 day credit to player accounts ?
kelpster	Posted - 2008.03.13 11:11:00 - [205] Tabs rock, but please remove the default tab, no use for it! bugs ::: my cargo hold won't close , and scanner won't close by using the hot keys on the left of the ship's dial =(
Treelox	Posted - 2008.03.13 11:13:00 - [206] Well the new undocking mechanic is a royal pain in the ass, it takes twice as long to get the freighter turned around and aligned towards my intended gate. All the other ships I tried it was ok, but I much prefered the old method. If as was indicated by dev comments in other places, this change was to ease congestion at certain market hub stations, why not just have gone for the "easy" fix and rotated stations like Jita 4-4 Navy 180 degrees to the right or the left. -- Also the market quick bar not being sorted alphabetically is a bit silly, and should be fixed ASAP. --
Princesse Qiao	Posted - 2008.03.13 11:20:00 - [207] Originally by: DiseL I am having major problems running multiple clients on both my systems since patch. Lockups when tabbing back and forth between clients, eve.exe error on 2nd or third client, eve.exe error when hitting Esc in 2nd or third client. Others are getting this problem too. - Obviously a significant issue as it kills 'power of 2' .. However it is not universal it seems - we asked in two major hubs if others were having this issue. Pls feel free to evemail me if you are trying stuff, whether or not it achieves a fix. I will reply.
Falkrich Swifthand	Posted - 2008.03.13 11:22:00 - [208] Originally by: JP Goodwin When I tried to patch to 51200 the patcher decided the CRC on one of my installed files was bad and told me to reinstall, and left me in a horked state. So after spending an hour downloading the full premium 51200 setup, I ran that, and it failed the verification. Now that was really annoying. So I'm presently trying to install the full install I had before, 45943, in the hope that I can then patch that to 51200. Anyone else having similar problems? You likely have a problem with your pc's hard-disk that's corrupting your data slightly. This is normally due to age. It can also be caused by buggy drivers for your network or disk controller, or bad ram. Do you get any whole-pc crashes (blue screens, spontaneous restarts, freezes, etc, as opposed to just a program crashing)? They're generally a good sign of a fault with your pc or the OS or drivers you're using. nullnull My sig is not my sig.
Guardian Devil	Posted - 2008.03.13 11:27:00 - [209] +1 to 1152x864 resolution back to fullscreen mode!
Stannis Breaker	Posted - 2008.03.13 11:27:00 - [210] Hi, I hope the Dev's enjoyed their pizza's. Great work, I know it is a thankless task and is not the easiest of things to do. Irrispective of the issues the patch has caused, and to be fair with such a huge player base there are going to be some people who encounter issues. My laptop cannot now use the premium graphics and I no doubt will need to redownload the entire game. All I would ask is that in future that you look at improving the method of communicating with us that there are issues. An hourly update to say your still working on the issues (and a timestamp to see when the last update notice was posted) would go along way to keeping people a little more informed. Keep up the good work. Stan
Jitabug	Posted - 2008.03.13 11:29:00 - [211] Please give the team thanks from the large chunk of the player base that work in IT who realise you've been working your arses off to restore normal service.
Gangus	Posted - 2008.03.13 11:29:00 - [212] Originally by: Falkrich Swifthand Originally by: JP Goodwin When I tried to patch to 51200 the patcher decided the CRC on one of my installed files was bad and told me to reinstall, and left me in a horked state. So after spending an hour downloading the full premium 51200 setup, I ran that, and it failed the verification. Now that was really annoying. So I'm presently trying to install the full install I had before, 45943, in the hope that I can then patch that to 51200. Anyone else having similar problems? You likely have a problem with your pc's hard-disk that's corrupting your data slightly. This is normally due to age. It can also be caused by buggy drivers for your network or disk controller, or bad ram. Do you get any whole-pc crashes (blue screens, spontaneous restarts, freezes, etc, as opposed to just a program crashing)? They're generally a good sign of a fault with your pc or the OS or drivers you're using. If every version you run is failing the CRC check, it's also very very possible that you have some sort of virus installed on your machine. I'd advise not only running a standard virus scan, but also a scan that boots from it's own Floppy/CDROM to scan for boot sector virii that can't be spotted by a standard virus scan. Gangus Matari BackBone Never mess with a guy in an ugly ship. He's bitter and has nothing to lose.
Vale Blackthorn	Posted - 2008.03.13 11:37:00 - [213] It could be worse. I keep trying to download the patch and I keep getting a message that the file is corrupt and fails varification. Any ideas on that?
Nemesis Nexus	Posted - 2008.03.13 11:38:00 - [214] I only have one question: Do I have to pay for that day that I wasn't able to play EvE?
Zey Nadar	Posted - 2008.03.13 11:40:00 - [215] Originally by: kelpster Tabs rock, but please remove the default tab, no use for it! Word. Tabs are nice but default tab is just unnecessary clutter.
Zamolxiss	Posted - 2008.03.13 11:43:00 - [216] Hey I'm having serious issues with the fps.. after the patch it dropped to a ridiculous avrege value of 10 fps... the game cannot be played that way... before the patch i had a steady 36-37 fps in normal game conditions... address this plz.
Kay Han	Posted - 2008.03.13 11:44:00 - [217] just use the default tab for your default setting (npcing f.e., or when traveling / small gang pvp) thats how i use it... things which i need to see, when doing the normal stuff are on it. Originally by: CCP Atropos Personally I think Amarr ships should consume slaves in a similar way that other ships consume ammunition.
Shai Haluu'd	Posted - 2008.03.13 11:44:00 - [218] Originally by: Cutter Isaacson ... but alteast there were no repeats of the dreaded boot.ini I don't really think that counts as an improvement. Again and again CCP make the same mistakes as in previous patches. I'm really tired, as I think everyone else is, of redoing my overview settings for example. Not to mention the many new bugs introduced (some of them are really annoying) and so on. For example EVE doesn't close properly (again), it exits with an error message, and when I shut down Windows it dies with the BSOD! I'd seriously think of firing my QA team if I were you guys! EVE is a good product, but the game with the poorest support I've seen up to date! Now I have to wait between 2 weeks and 2 months to have everything back to normal as usual... On the next patch deployment I'd like the option "do not install patch until it's polished enough" and lets see how many ppl will choose not to screw up their settings. Beta testing should not be done on Tranquility! About the "boost" patch - great, boosting anyone but gallente (yeah... great) Less explosive shield and EM armor resists benefits: - caldari - to some extent, they can change damage type - minmatar - oh, wait, they use exactly EM and explosive (weeee) - amarr - great, now the average life expectancy of a raven meeting an apoc/geddon is like less than 30 seconds - gallente - oh... sorry... they can't fire anything but heat/kin... well better luck next only-boost-no-nerfs patch Do I need to point out the DPS of the zealot versus the Deimos after the patch for example and their respective optimal range?
Sister Libertina	Posted - 2008.03.13 11:48:00 - [219] Originally by: Nemesis Nexus I only have one question: Do I have to pay for that day that I wasn't able to play EvE? Yup
PsychoBitch	Posted - 2008.03.13 11:52:00 - [220] Edited by: Psycho**** on 13/03/2008 11:54:32* grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr Psycho***** Chnnl: PLAYBOY
Zaeon	Posted - 2008.03.13 11:52:00 - [221] after the patch my fps went down from 50/70fps to 8/19 fps.... the cargo icon(ship cargo) in space will only open the cargo and it will no longer close it when pressing again the icon.
PsychoBitch	Posted - 2008.03.13 11:52:00 - [222] Give us free time to make up for yet another incompetent CCP patch. Psycho***** Chnnl: PLAYBOY
Apul MadeekAoud	Posted - 2008.03.13 11:54:00 - [223] only things I see wrong so far is the already stated a million times overview windows going back to some default position on dock/undock. The only other thing i see is, and this may seem minor but still bothers me, is the fact that i cant close my ship cargo window by clicking on the icon that you use to open it in space with. i have grown used to using this button to open and close it, but now i can only open the window here. I did not have setting reset, BMs are still in folders, everything else looks great. Nice job CCP, keep up the excellent work. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Vorgx	Posted - 2008.03.13 11:54:00 - [224] incredible "no nerf" patch, less explosive resistance and less em resistance. who the hell is making this suggestions? i playes trained caldari for almost 3 years, and now every ship sucks, what are u trying to do here? to everyone play with only one race? please stop with the nerf ****
Uluru Blok	Posted - 2008.03.13 11:55:00 - [225] Is there an explaination anywhere about what the new overview "features" are supposed to do. Any new tabs I add just overwrite the defaults. What the hell are brackets? And what would brackets do anyway when they appear to just be a restatement of any custom views you already have defined. Doesn't make much sense. Poorly designed and non intuitive..... and... on one character all the customisations have disappeared. Then.... we have all the useless new tutorials... that I am having to turn off on every window function for every character that I start up.... very annoying.... would have been much better as a right-click context option on the function button. Stupid that we get new tutorials on all the OLD functions... but nothing on the new features. 20+ hours down for the patch and then we STILL had DT. _____________________________________ Lieutenant JG Uluru_Blok (Mining & Transport) Logistics Division - Hadean Drive Yards
A Sinner	Posted - 2008.03.13 11:58:00 - [226] Why is everyone complaining about the overview running around the screen now ? I've had this problem since they added the new fleet system. Every time when I undock or join a fleet, all the windows of the overview go crazy. The most annoying problem is with the Selected Items window, which exits through the top right corner of the screen, having only the bottom half visible, thus being impossible to drag it down. Also I might not understand how the tab and the brackets work yet, but I have a general ideea, and I've setup a few tabs, but as soon as I switch to a tab the default one dissapears taking the settings of the tab I selected. Also I don't know what the bracket setting is supposed to do but I messed with it a bit and it didn't seem to do anything... maybe someone wants to enlighten us about that. ----------------------- "There are no ugly women, just men who didn't have enough to drink"
Ffuantu Grym	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:01:00 - [227] Originally by: Uluru Blok Is there an explaination anywhere about what the new overview "features" are supposed to do. Any new tabs I add just overwrite the defaults. What the hell are brackets? And what would brackets do anyway when they appear to just be a restatement of any custom views you already have defined. Doesn't make much sense. Poorly designed and non intuitive..... and... on one character all the customisations have disappeared. The overview settings filter what appears on your overview, the brackets settings filter what icons appear in space. Simple.
Noxic	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:05:00 - [228] Well..... Congrats to CCP for a Speedy Deployment of a Booster patch. Congrats to the players for not Whining about lost time, skills, ui settings, game improvements. oh wait...im lying but oh well something in this must be true...something
Valishka	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:06:00 - [229] CCP, your doing a fine job. With this growing monster that your dealing with, I personaly was expecting a actual 24 hour downtime. Keep slaying those dragons for us so that we ALL can have the best quality game play possible.
Zaeon	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:07:00 - [230] Originally by: Sinister Borris i have the same problem as alot of people my FPS is down to 8-15 i cant play the game like this it makes kicking ass in pvp impossible yes, it's almost impossible to play with that fps
Brindeal DeLorean	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:12:00 - [231] Edited by: Brindeal DeLorean on 13/03/2008 12:13:06 Personally I cant tell you what kind of experience im having cause even after i get to character selection I can go no farther cause it keeps telling me the4 system im in is still trying to load im guessing with this much trouble on a simple patch when you get ready to do an expansion i best start a skill that takes a week to train LOL been here well over a month and still dont have a forumn avatar either come on CCP get with it geez
Kendolph	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:15:00 - [232] Edited by: Kendolph on 13/03/2008 12:18:09 Edited by: Kendolph on 13/03/2008 12:17:34 Edited by: Kendolph on 13/03/2008 12:16:20 Can You stop with that "No Nerf !" , "Boost" PR laden crap ??? You call +1 gun and no power for it to caldari boost ? Are you OK ? I know some good psychiatrists. You call nerfing all the ships explosive resists -10 "NO NEFR (PR) WE ARE THE BEST EVER" ? You should already have understand that this game is not played by WoW underage idiots but by people able to think. And some of us apparently got a lot higher IQ than you "balancing guys". And I hope your next "balancing", "boosting", "no nerfing", (or whatever PRs sick brains come up with) patch will be done by people with right minds not simpleminded and short sighted who know the game and can really think ahead and realize what are they really doing. Ah and thank You for totally making useless shield tanking. Just make caldari ships armor tanks, remove shields at all and be done with it. I know some may counter me with "shield tankers (or caldari) are made for team playing" , and what , from the whole game only caldari are team players ?!? Everybody else can do it 1:1 but not caldari , and now nerfed again !!! I got even better proposal , REMOVE caldari from the game. You see not many caldari whine. Do You know why ? Becouse they have learned either Galente or Minmatar ship. So why don't you just remove caldari and stop making us learn 1 useless race ships before we realize that shield tanking is a crap , our ships can't fit points nor webs, our guns have no power, have no tracking, have no damage, have no speed, they move like wounded old big elephants ... Oh yes they have range and they die fast ... sick. I'll actually stop playing for a week or two to be able to calm my self. And then I'll decide if I I'll continue playing at all because if that is the quality of the "balancing" I don't see my place around. Regards
Yesh	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:18:00 - [233] I must be one of the lucky ones. No lost bookmarks, no windows jumping about and no loss of performance. And whilst the extended downtime was a bit of a pain I now have a tidy flat and all those outstanding bills are paid
Muscaat	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:22:00 - [234] I now get no more than about 5fps in empty space. FPS in station is unchanged.
Damned Force	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:23:00 - [235] im a programmer myself and cant understood WTF is so hard to make a patch that dont modify or **** up the settings saved by users. If my customers should be after every change make new the settings they would burn down the company building where we are..... Cant u hire some programmers which have clue about how to patch an existing system?????? Thats there are problems with engame content, ships is ok, because in a such complex system it can't be everything predicted, but patch that makes an error, destroying settings, unabling to switch between running instances.......... And the same problems as some patch before..... Or is your code handling so poor that sometime u repatch old code???? And than the support..... 7 page thread and not a simply yes we working on this bug, or u should try to do the following...... SHAME on u
Hayta Five	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:24:00 - [236] Maybe no the correct place - here goes: All my EvE browser bookmarks disappeared after this 'boost' patch. I had quite a unique collection. Suggestion: migrate these links too next patch? Thanks!! Brgds
Uluru Blok	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:24:00 - [237] Originally by: Ffuantu Grym Originally by: Uluru Blok Is there an explaination anywhere about what the new overview "features" are supposed to do. Any new tabs I add just overwrite the defaults. What the hell are brackets? And what would brackets do anyway when they appear to just be a restatement of any custom views you already have defined. Doesn't make much sense. Poorly designed and non intuitive..... and... on one character all the customisations have disappeared. The overview settings filter what appears on your overview, the brackets settings filter what icons appear in space. Simple. All I can say is that it SHOULD work the way you suggest.... but it doesn't. Defining bracketa against a tab descriptor has no effect on icons in space, and any tab I select simply overwrites the seetings in the default tab....and subsequent tabs for that matter do the same... so I end up with 5 tabs.. all with different names.... but all with the same filter states and content.... useless. Fixing this will probably require a complete download and re-install....A G A I N ..... with the loss of all my customisations and bookmarks.... A G A I N. Where is the quality control in this stuff. _____________________________________ LTCDR Uluru_Blok (Mining & Transport) Logistics Division - [url="http:\\www
Calcinus	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:24:00 - [238] Edited by: Calcinus on 13/03/2008 12:24:25 I seem to be a lucky one, as i dont have errors or something else. Maybe it's cause im Amarrrrr Keep cool and stop whining. Regards
Krabb Foot	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:27:00 - [239] this patch has boosted my anticipation of: WARHAMMER ONLINE:AGE OF RECKONING. 670,000 people attempted to sign up to the Beta.
T536	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:30:00 - [240] Not a single NERF? Armor a shield resists reduction it's a boost right? Can CCP give to us some EM/Thermal hybrid ammo so we can fight amarr hac's and command ships? Deimos lose with every single hac in the game, any changes? NO, community do not like the solution proposed but for sure something could be done Arazu and lanchesis, CCP ignore this ships one more time. Inverted Signal Field Projector I RIG, it's kind of ridiculous EW modifier 5% and 10% drawback, damps are already a complete crap.
Sleepkevert	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:31:00 - [241] Originally by: Kendolph Can You stop with that "No Nerf !" , "Boost" PR laden crap ??? You call +1 gun and no power for it to caldari boost ? Are you OK ? I know some good psychiatrists. And no +0 gun is a nerf? Be glad you got the +1 gun already.... Originally by: Kendolph You call nerfing all the ships resists -10 "NO NEFR (PR) WE ARE THE BEST EVER" ? Actually, this is a boost to Amarr \o/ Stop whining, and live with it, our ships were "nerfed" in the same fassion, but atleast the damage went up on armor a lot Originally by: Kendolph You should already have understand that this game is not played by WoW underage idiots but by people able to think. And some of us apparently got a lot higher IQ than you "balancing guys". Gees, I'm starting to understand why ccp never gives good feedback in these threads, it's not like you want them to... Also, the short sightness of your post makes me believe that you actually have a lower IQ then the average WoW IQ. And since that is low according to you... Originally by: Kendolph And I hope your next "balancing", "boosting", "no nerfing", (or whatever PRs sick brains come up with) patch will be done by people with right minds not simpleminded and sort sighted Like you? So they should start peronally attacking players and make desisions without thinking what a change would do? Originally by: Kendolph who know the game and can really think ahead and realize what are they really doing. Oh yes, So not people like you... Originally by: Kendolph Ah and thank You for totally making useless shield tanking. Just make caldari ships armor tanks, remove shields at all and be done with it. How is -10% explosive resistance going to make shield tanking useless? Armor tanking also got a -10% EM resistance "nerf" so all in all, tanking has stayed the same... Originally by: Kendolph I know soem may counter me with "shield tankers (or caldari) are made for team playing" , and what , from the whole game only caldari are team players ?!? Caldari are actually great in PvE, don't like it, crosstrain or addapt by getting into a small gang liky ou suggest. Originally by: Kendolph Everybody else can do it 1:1 but not caldari , and now nerfed again !!! Again? Wait what? You'r probably talking about the torp boost? That actually made Caldari a bit better at PvP, which they still need a little boost in imho, but from the looks of your post you don't really want to talk about that.... Originally by: Kendolph I'll actually stop playing for a week or two to be able to calm my self. And then I'll decide if I I'll continue playing at all because if that is the quality of the "balancing" I don't see my place around. Regards That actually sounds like a good plan, but maybe you should have done it in silence instead of posting useless comments that add nothing to the patch. OR maybe you should give it a chance and at least try the changes before you whine about them... All in all, this looks like a nice patch, offcourse every boost is also a nerf to some other thing. Boost one weapon, all other ships die more easily when fought with that weapon, but thats not a nerf to all the ships right? I'm curious to how the changes will turn out, but the -10% EM resistance on armor will sure be nice boost to the amarrian lasers _ Sign my sig!
Ethaet	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:31:00 - [242] well, great patch! -nerfs to shield and armour tanking -nerf to undocking safely -nerf to the raptor's powergrid -Nerf to the navy apoc based on the t1 apoc now being better All my settings got lost (AGAIN!) - lucky I made a script to regularly backup my settings as it happens so often
Malena	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:32:00 - [243] Edited by: Malena on 13/03/2008 12:33:07 Anyone else not able to get the patch verified? It downloads completely, then says it cannot be verified...have tried 6 times now. The patch was downloaded but it failed verification indicating that the file is corrupt. Would you like to download the file again? You will not be able to enter the game until you download the patch.
Rinaldo Titano	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:33:00 - [244] Originally by: Malena Anyone else not able to get the patch verified? It downloads completely, then says it cannot be verified...have tried 6 times now. same here
Kichka Koftito	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:36:00 - [245] hahahahaha nice pach CCp to Zulu and other no nerf CCp guys - be Kind take a vacation for year or more you are done to much nerf damage already. There its a solution for the changes its very simple - juct find a way to swap my caldari skills with other race and i be ready to accept with fun every new no nerf boos mega maxi incredible pach. wish you a good vacation guys you deserve to relax a bit hahahahaha.
reaping miner	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:37:00 - [246] Edited by: reaping miner on 13/03/2008 12:37:55 your best was nut much i waited 5 hours for an MOTD update and nothing changed and then i saw it would end at 3 AM my time damn, CCP ****** up also this time pretty badly imho
handeight	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:40:00 - [247] Originally by: Rinaldo Titano Originally by: Malena Anyone else not able to get the patch verified? It downloads completely, then says it cannot be verified...have tried 6 times now. same here same here again
Iron Zarkasm	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:41:00 - [248] morons, try taking it from here: http://www.eve-online.com/patches/patches.asp
Standing Tall	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:41:00 - [249] can't install patch either
Asdohol	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:42:00 - [250] I still cannot get in and i have been trying from when the patch and the new full build became available 10hrs ago
Rinaldo Titano	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:43:00 - [251] Originally by: Iron Zarkasm morons, try taking it from here: http://www.eve-online.com/patches/patches.asp did already, but is that so hard to have a normal, working patching system?
BladeYU	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:43:00 - [252] Whats going on with the damn patch all eve players are waiting
Finstead McDoogle	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:45:00 - [253] I'm getting a 'VERIFICATION FAILED ' error when i try to install the patch .. anyone else ..?
Kendolph	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:54:00 - [254] Originally by: Sleepkevert And no +0 gun is a nerf? Be glad you got the +1 gun already.... Actually, this is a boost to Amarr \o/ Stop whining, and live with it, our ships were "nerfed" in the same fassion, but atleast the damage went up on armor a lot So remove the +1 gun (coz it's useless) and give us back +10 explosive and I'm fine. And you should stop talking about ship You don't personally fly :) Originally by: Sleepkevert Gees, I'm starting to understand why ccp never gives good feedback in these threads, it's not like you want them to... Also, the short sightness of your post makes me believe that you actually have a lower IQ then the average WoW IQ. And since that is low according to you... Like you? So they should start peronally attacking players and make desisions without thinking what a change would do? I'm actually a programmer, A lead programmer if that tells your something about my IQ. And the quality like this presented to us in those settings crapping patches (actually as I heard that patch destroyed even bookmarks) with QA close to nonexistent comes to tell me, You , US about the abilities and even the IQ of people building the patches and probably making decisions about how the game will be balanced. So please put your glasses on and start looking at the big picture not just at the smaller bits. Regards.
Ieu Duin	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:55:00 - [255] Originally by: Idara You people can't even get a single thread together can you? Overview completely wiped, again. Settings on all three clients, wiped, again. I'm really sick of redoing all of these ***** little things because you guys can understand how to keep them from patch to patch. You can't even figure out what's going to be included in the patch 24 hours prior to deployment. This is really getting pathetic. I sense much anger in this one. Quote:** There are no fair fights in EVE. If you're in a fair fight, you planned wrong. -- Agent Li, Caldari, Galactic Defence Consortium, BLACKHAWK FEDERATION
Princesse Qiao	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:56:00 - [256] Still no word on alt-tab crashes - getting psyched up to do a full client reload now..
CyberLion	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:57:00 - [257] Verification failure as well. Will try later this evening when things may be sorted, as it appears to be a big problem for a number of players.
Kerfira	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:57:00 - [258] Edited by: Kerfira on 13/03/2008 12:58:00 Originally by: Ethaet -nerfs to shield and armour tanking No, its a boost to people dealing EM and Explosive damage (Amarr w. lasers, Caldari w. missiles, Minmatar w. guns, Gallente w. drones) Originally by: Ethaet -nerf to undocking safely No, it's a boost to be able to PvP against dock/undock f'gots. Originally by: Ethaet -nerf to the raptor's powergrid No, necessary balancing (as CCP has described), and you conveniently forgot the extra turret the Raptor got. Originally by: Ethaet -Nerf to the navy apoc based on the t1 apoc now being better No, the Navy Apoc is no worse than it was before..... You fail on all accounts! Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Li Atta	Posted - 2008.03.13 12:58:00 - [259] When will the API be re-enabled? The news item said after today's downtime... but I'm wondering when after.
ianf1982	Posted - 2008.03.13 13:00:00 - [260] Edited by: ianf1982 on 13/03/2008 13:00:51 Originally by: CyberLion Verification failure as well. Will try later this evening when things may be sorted, as it appears to be a big problem for a number of players. Me too. Getting this message: "The patch was downloaded but it failed verification indicating that the file is corrupt. Would you like to download the file again?" Tried it several times, no luck. Any fix or work around for this?
Dan Chi	Posted - 2008.03.13 13:08:00 - [261] Anybody else getting an 'unknown' server status? I'm not running behind a firewall, I have internet connectivity, and I didn't have a problem before I installed the patch. Any ideas?
Darth Skorpius	Posted - 2008.03.13 13:13:00 - [262] i would also like an update on the api issue. its annoying trying to work out a new skill plan when my characters info wont load
Necto	Posted - 2008.03.13 13:15:00 - [263] Originally by: Zaeon the cargo icon(ship cargo) in space will only open the cargo and it will no longer close it when pressing again the icon. Same bug here !! and almost everyone else i asked cant close it via cargo icon either. Tried to clear cache and settings, still have the bug! Please look into it!
Sky Grunthor	Posted - 2008.03.13 13:17:00 - [264] I am happy to reply that with the exception of the local chat window merging with my other chat windows on client start I have had no problems. Good in my book! Search: Sky Grunthor
Rejari	Posted - 2008.03.13 13:19:00 - [265] Originally by: CCP Saint Many of you have probably wondered what was going on behind the scenes at CCP. We have done our best to keep you updated through the Message Of The Day (MOTD) and the Downtime News page. During the deployment of Trinity 1.1: Booster Patch we discovered that specific items in the database had been incorrectly updated due to an error while updating the database. This meant that we had to go back and retrieve data from a backup that had been performed earlier in the process. Due to unforeseen delays, the process for restoring this data and doing the necessary integrity checks took longer than anticipated. With the delays originating from the restoration process itself; it was very difficult to give an exact ETA. We regret any inconvenience these delays may have caused. We would love to hear your thoughts and feedback on the latest changes presented. Please keep all feedback to this thread; all other will be locked and redirected. For details on the changes made in this patch please take a look at the Patch Notes. Wow, I never knew BS could look so pretty when one paid for it. Frankly, After being through many patches and client upgrades, I still fail to see what the big picture is. Amarr got nerfed. You took EM armour down 10%, and shield exp down 10% and whole bunch of other tiny **. My Curse still sucks. My Cerb is really **ty for missions now. and I am not about to train a whole other race to compensate for your lack of thinking of others than the Whine group who has to nerf everything yet has not even undocked into a pvp situation. I agree with others as well. Your patches wiped my bookmarks. Client is a little sketchy and I hate having to copy paste from MY backups to fix your mistakes. CCP, get your act together and do something right for once. Not just what is easiest to do. The right way is not always the easiest.
Anosse	Posted - 2008.03.13 13:21:00 - [266] interesting "boost" now running at 4 FPS and the nice space backgrounds in the systems have gone completely white everywhere happy about my apocalypse though
Princesse Qiao	Posted - 2008.03.13 13:24:00 - [267] Ok - now have 2 full fresh installs to separate drives (not just logical separations) and each client running under it's own cpu core affinity. Still no joy. one client or the other keeps crashing if I try to switch between them. CCP now needs to fix this or they will quickly lose up to half their (virtual) subscribers...
Darth Skorpius	Posted - 2008.03.13 13:24:00 - [268] Originally by: Sky Grunthor I am happy to reply that with the exception of the local chat window merging with my other chat windows on client start I have had no problems. Good in my book! lol, i was actually glad that happened to me as my chat windows had got messed up due to me constantly rearranging and reorganising them.
Jen Khai	Posted - 2008.03.13 13:29:00 - [269] Originally by: Princesse Qiao Ok - now have 2 full fresh installs to separate drives (not just logical separations) and each client running under it's own cpu core affinity. Still no joy. one client or the other keeps crashing if I try to switch between them. CCP now needs to fix this or they will quickly lose up to half their (virtual) subscribers... lol as if you would unsubscribe because you cant play properly for a day after the patch xD you people need to calm down :)
Hugh Ruka	Posted - 2008.03.13 13:32:00 - [270] so after 10 pages I am positively scared to install the new patch. I am running the classic client (no disk space left for premium) and I dread the reported FPS drop. basing my oppinion just on this forum thread, I'd guess CCP will be force to at least one more extended downtime in next 2-3 days to either correct major issues or rollback the patch. luckily I still have about 40 hours on my current skill ... Originally by: Aravel Thon Originally by: Nith Batoxxx Hi my alt just leanred to fly the ferox............... I am so so terribly sorry...
She Storm	Posted - 2008.03.13 13:32:00 - [271] Edited by: She Storm on 13/03/2008 13:37:43 CONSTANT client lock ups when running more then one client ( I have been running 3 for 2 years now), can't dock in stations, can't undock from stations, can't seem to change shiops in stations, or there is up to a 3 minute lag to change ships. I have locked up 11 time since the patch finished. Guess I will have to get rid of an account or 2, as i am not going to pay for 3 if I suddenly can only run 1 And the "leaving station at speed"...apparently doesn't work well as all 3 of my clients undocked and just sat right on top of each other at the station
Gedrick frogue	Posted - 2008.03.13 13:34:00 - [272] Edited by: Gedrick frogue on 13/03/2008 13:34:51 Originally by: Idara You people can't even get a single thread together can you? Overview completely wiped, again. Settings on all three clients, wiped, again. I'm really sick of redoing all of these ******* little things because you guys can understand how to keep them from patch to patch. You can't even figure out what's going to be included in the patch 24 hours prior to deployment. This is really getting pathetic. if you don't like the way they deall with a few million lines of code then go find something else to play Gedrick Frogue
Elstar	Posted - 2008.03.13 13:38:00 - [273] Originally by: ChapterMaster Your life must be very empty if you are getting so worked up over a frigging GAME! ITS NOT REAL LIFE! its supposed to be a fun escape. well, that's real money in subscription are envolved. never liked fanboi posting in patch topics anyways.
Tafkas Zarathustra	Posted - 2008.03.13 13:39:00 - [274] Just my 2c. 1. Stayed off the intermediate patches or whatever they were, patched the game only after today's regular downtime. 2. I run 2 clients, on Windows Vista Business, both updated succesfully from first try, no crashes or major problems noticed. 3. I run my 2 client on dual view and they work as intended (window mode on both) 4. Noticed some intense FPS drop, but nothing I havent seen before on other mmo's on major patch days, when server gets flooded with people trying to get in. 5. IGB bookmarks gone, but I normally use out of the game browsers, so no biggie for me. 6.The new help screen that appears on almost all windows opened is a bit annoying but playing on Sisi, I already expected that. 7. I had a good laugh at the PR gimmick you pulled with "no-nerf" patch, but hey, I work in a corporate world, I know devs gotta throw the PRs a bone from time to time, otherwise they dont stop nagging... 8. And finally, having my main characters as Caldari, I do appreciate the revamp of the old Ferox (now a decent hybrid platform as opposed to Drake's missiles) and Moa. As for resists, since they were slated all around... no comments. Overall, decent job, though I missed my 100 pages long "bash CCP" forum thread during the downtime. Please dont take that away next time... some posts beat standup comedy by far. And I mean that in a positive way. Of all the things I lost, I miss my mind the most. - Ozzy Osbourne quoting Mark Twain (ha!)
Kendolph	Posted - 2008.03.13 13:39:00 - [275] Originally by: Gedrick frogue Edited by: Gedrick frogue on 13/03/2008 13:34:51 Originally by: Idara You people can't even get a single thread together can you? Overview completely wiped, again. Settings on all three clients, wiped, again. I'm really sick of redoing all of these ******* little things because you guys can understand how to keep them from patch to patch. You can't even figure out what's going to be included in the patch 24 hours prior to deployment. This is really getting pathetic. if you don't like the way they deall with a few million lines of code then go find something else to play Programmer's JOB IS TO DEAL WITH FEW, MANY, WHATEVER millions lines of code. I'm doing it they should be able to do it too. If they can't, fire them and find someone who can. And stop making excuses for their crappy code, they had 5 years to improve. I guess they just don't have the right people. Regards
TLani	Posted - 2008.03.13 13:42:00 - [276] Any word on how to get evemon to work Just wondering if its an API issue or its something I have done?
Lunch Money	Posted - 2008.03.13 13:45:00 - [277] alt key dosnt show moons anymore when pressed I anchored moon harvester and silo next to small tower but tower dont see any modules for moon mining (WTF?) Limit for ships that open cyno Message: 'VelocityTooHighToActivate'<br>Args: {'yourVelocity': 2726, 'moduleName': (4, 21096), 'velocityLimit': 500}
JiJiCle	Posted - 2008.03.13 13:48:00 - [278] friendly tip to CCP to keep bookmarks folders and settings : Quote: mkdir ./settings move ./cache/settings/. ./settings/ rmdir /Y ./cache/settings wouhou, i'm awesome, no?... so, can I have your job ? seriously, this should one of the basics things to do during the patch or just after it at eve first launch ("if exist ./cache/settings/ then...") while I am at posting... Quote: The material gained from recycling Glossy Compound has been changed. increased or reduced ? ------ COLSUP
Damned Force	Posted - 2008.03.13 13:53:00 - [279] Originally by: Madra Rua It's well annoying hearing people asking if they're going to be refunded for the day that Eve wasn't available. Just remember that your money not only goes to pay for the time you spend in the game consuming CCP's resources but also to fund the continued development of the game - including the time spent by the developers/testers et al in designing/writing/implementing/testing new features all at no extra cost. Would you rather pay for updates or lose a few hours of gametime when something unexpected happens? Sure is no prob if u pay for 1 l Vodka and u get just 1 dcl. U can be happy that this 1 dcl is good and u can see so that u payed the other 9dcl worth for the workers, because they made this 1 dcl insteed the 1 l...... excellent logic
Lunch Money	Posted - 2008.03.13 13:54:00 - [280] Originally by: JiJiCle friendly tip to CCP to keep bookmarks folders and settings : Quote: mkdir ./settings move ./cache/settings/. ./settings/ rmdir /Y ./cache/settings wouhou, i'm awesome, no?... so, can I have your job ? seriously, this should one of the basics things to do during the patch or just after it at eve first launch ("if exist ./cache/settings/ then...") while I am at posting... Quote: The material gained from recycling Glossy Compound has been changed. increased or reduced ? Actually you are totaly wrong, I had settings in folders where I had my eve clients on disk d: using that /off something commends so that what you wrote earlier woudnt do anything. What you need is ... BRAIN Just copy settings from you folder with eve to folder which has been crated.
Chuck Skull	Posted - 2008.03.13 13:59:00 - [281] I love the new right click options for skills, "buy this type" "View Market details" Shame it only works on skills I've already bought and started training Cant right click on skills I haven't started training at all. Been logged for about 90 seconds and found something to whine about weeeeeeeeee --- Also available in 'sober'
Princesse Qiao	Posted - 2008.03.13 14:02:00 - [282] ok m8 got through testing and can run 2 clients on a 4GB rammed x64 but he's coming close to danger zones on mem - so anyone with a budget pc is gonna get ram-spiked into a crash. - ie anyone with a 32bit PC and 2 accounts is stuffed by this build.
Kerfira	Posted - 2008.03.13 14:11:00 - [283] Originally by: Damned Force Originally by: Madra Rua It's well annoying hearing people asking if they're going to be refunded for the day that Eve wasn't available. Just remember that your money not only goes to pay for the time you spend in the game consuming CCP's resources but also to fund the continued development of the game - including the time spent by the developers/testers et al in designing/writing/implementing/testing new features all at no extra cost. Would you rather pay for updates or lose a few hours of gametime when something unexpected happens? Sure is no prob if u pay for 1 l Vodka and u get just 1 dcl. U can be happy that this 1 dcl is good and u can see so that u payed the other 9dcl worth for the workers, because they made this 1 dcl insteed the 1 l...... excellent logic EXCEPT, by subscribing you've signed onto the EULA (which is the legal contract between you and CCP) meaning that you accept downtimes like this. Thus it is YOUR logic that's flawed because you're getting EXACTLY what the contract between you and CCP entitles you to! Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
She Storm	Posted - 2008.03.13 14:13:00 - [284] Something I have noticed.. when I run multiple clients and one locks up and crashes.. when i hit the windows key to go to windows.. I still see the eve "button" on the start menu bar.. it still shows the eve logo on it, but it no longer says EVE, it says "Microsoft Visual C++" on the button next to the eve logo .
Damned Force	Posted - 2008.03.13 14:13:00 - [285] Boost patch? They told that would be a patch just with BOOST?? LoL WTF? -10% exp Shield and -10% EM armor is "just a boost"??? With this stupid logic we should remove all turrets from the astarte, give a drone bandwith of 5 and nerf the cap regen to 1/sec, because so we boost every other ship fighting the astarte
Zenst	Posted - 2008.03.13 14:14:00 - [286] Originally by: Princesse Qiao Still no word on alt-tab crashes - getting psyched up to do a full client reload now.. Hmmm given you have lots of settings that got trashed. Alot of settings not announced in patch yet seem to be with us. Cache folder redone. Your eve client after patch still got old hangovers from old cache etc. So you have a client with alot of legacy cache etc, and settings alone dictated a fresh download and install, no brainer realy. Bit like this patch and its notes :(.
Princesse Qiao	Posted - 2008.03.13 14:16:00 - [287] Originally by: She Storm Something I have noticed.. when I run multiple clients and one locks up and crashes.. when i hit the windows key to go to windows.. I still see the eve "button" on the start menu bar.. it still shows the eve logo on it, but it no longer says EVE, it says "Microsoft Visual C++" on the button next to the eve logo . Yes I've seen that in one instance - When I killed one client via the task manager. The other client then also siezed up - but i found there were actually two instances of eve still on the taskbar, one of which was carry the c++ label.
She Storm	Posted - 2008.03.13 14:17:00 - [288] Quote: Something I have noticed.. when I run multiple clients and one locks up and crashes.. when i hit the windows key to go to windows.. I still see the eve "button" on the start menu bar.. it still shows the eve logo on it, but it no longer says EVE, it says "Microsoft Visual C++" on the button next to the eve logo . Yes was showing 2 instances of eve on the start menu but the locked up one said the Microsoft Visual C++
Damned Force	Posted - 2008.03.13 14:18:00 - [289] Originally by: Kerfira Edited by: Kerfira on 13/03/2008 14:16:09 Originally by: Damned Force Originally by: Madra Rua It's well annoying hearing people asking if they're going to be refunded for the day that Eve wasn't available. Just remember that your money not only goes to pay for the time you spend in the game consuming CCP's resources but also to fund the continued development of the game - including the time spent by the developers/testers et al in designing/writing/implementing/testing new features all at no extra cost. Would you rather pay for updates or lose a few hours of gametime when something unexpected happens? Sure is no prob if u pay for 1 l Vodka and u get just 1 dcl. U can be happy that this 1 dcl is good and u can see so that u payed the other 9dcl worth for the workers, because they made this 1 dcl insteed the 1 l...... excellent logic EXCEPT, by subscribing you've signed onto the EULA (which is the legal contract between you and CCP) meaning that you accept downtimes like this. Thus it is YOUR logic that's flawed because you're getting EXACTLY what the contract between you and CCP entitles you to! To use your analogy, you paid for 1 dl of vodka, and is now complaining you didn't get 1 l. Pathetic.... In EULA is written that they make no warranty.. so pls pay 1 year for and u should not complain if we dont enable u to play at all
Princesse Qiao	Posted - 2008.03.13 14:19:00 - [290] Originally by: Zenst Originally by: Princesse Qiao Still no word on alt-tab crashes - getting psyched up to do a full client reload now.. Hmmm given you have lots of settings that got trashed. Alot of settings not announced in patch yet seem to be with us. Agreed - tho my cache was only 48 hours old prior to patch Cache folder redone. Your eve client after patch still got old hangovers from old cache etc. So you have a client with alot of legacy cache etc, and settings alone dictated a fresh download and install, no brainer realy. Bit like this patch and its notes :(.
Princesse Qiao	Posted - 2008.03.13 14:21:00 - [291] agreed - tho my cache was only 48 hrs old prior to patch ( and that'll teach me to preview post..)
Tafkas Zarathustra	Posted - 2008.03.13 14:21:00 - [292] Dont know if when UI is changed/upgraded its advisable to let users keep their own UI settings, unless you want 10x more complaints. Except for IGB bookmarks, but I assume thats the least of the problems the devs had. And, to be honest, I'd rather have them focus on problems like lag Jita than IGB. But of course, everyone has a right to an oppinion. Regarding reimbursement for the downtime, it's a slippery slope and on every software license/EULA in this world there's a bit saying its delivered "as-it-is, with no guarantees" it will work. Otherwise we would live in a perfect world, hence we would all be dead and in Heaven. Doesn't Windows have SPs and patches? Doesn't each favour of Linux? Has anyone ever sued Microsoft for bugs in their OS? And a bad OS can really mess up your day... After playing VG and EQ2 you get to appreciate FREE sequels, trust me. I've forked a lot of cash to Sony for the sequels (minor and major) and those were neither bug free nor perfect, although even more expensive that the original game. CCP's business model is much more fair to their users and they should be encouraged to keep it. Would you rather have forked $50 for Trinity instead of losing..erm...70c in gametime? I think not... I'd compare this to smoking... if your pack would've been taken away and hidden for a day you'd be as mad as hell, too. If you'd go to the local shop and find out that your favourite brand has changed its flavour, you'd be mad as hell again. But in the end there are only two outcomes... either you give up smoking or you adjust to the changes. It's all another day in the life on a addict. Btw, my name is Tafkas and I am an EVE player. Of all the things I lost, I miss my mind the most. - Ozzy Osbourne quoting Mark Twain (ha!)
Kerfira	Posted - 2008.03.13 14:24:00 - [293] Originally by: Damned Force Originally by: Kerfira My post In EULA is written that they make no warranty.. so pls pay 1 year for and u should not complain if we dont enable u to play at all Exactly! YOU (and nobody else) are responsible for signing the contract, therefore YOU are the person to blame when you later encounter something in the contract you don't like. It's ALL your very own fault! YOU are the one who complains that you don't get more than what you paid for.... Truly pathetic! Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Annie Gardet	Posted - 2008.03.13 14:26:00 - [294] Originally by: Tafkas Zarathustra It's all another day in the life on a addict. Btw, my name is Tafkas and I am an EVE player. Nice to meet you, I'm Annie. I have same bugs as many people here (alttab, windows, fps..) Fix soon pls.
Damned Force	Posted - 2008.03.13 14:26:00 - [295] Originally by: Tafkas Zarathustra Dont know if when UI is changed/upgraded its advisable to let users keep their own UI settings, unless you want 10x more complaints. Except for IGB bookmarks, but I assume thats the least of the problems the devs had. And, to be honest, I'd rather have them focus on problems like lag Jita than IGB. But of course, everyone has a right to an oppinion. Regarding reimbursement for the downtime, it's a slippery slope and on every software license/EULA in this world there's a bit saying its delivered "as-it-is, with no guarantees" it will work. Otherwise we would live in a perfect world, hence we would all be dead and in Heaven. Doesn't Windows have SPs and patches? Doesn't each favour of Linux? Has anyone ever sued Microsoft for bugs in their OS? And a bad OS can really mess up your day... After playing VG and EQ2 you get to appreciate FREE sequels, trust me. I've forked a lot of cash to Sony for the sequels (minor and major) and those were neither bug free nor perfect, although even more expensive that the original game. CCP's business model is much more fair to their users and they should be encouraged to keep it. Would you rather have forked $50 for Trinity instead of losing..erm...70c in gametime? I think not... I'd compare this to smoking... if your pack would've been taken away and hidden for a day you'd be as mad as hell, too. If you'd go to the local shop and find out that your favourite brand has changed its flavour, you'd be mad as hell again. But in the end there are only two outcomes... either you give up smoking or you adjust to the changes. It's all another day in the life on a addict. Btw, my name is Tafkas and I am an EVE player. Yes, u right. But cant agree with u because if everyone would think like u and just accept everything, the world would never change and we still would live in slavery, in dictatorship, ........ REVOLT!!!!!!
Evonexus	Posted - 2008.03.13 14:27:00 - [296] What was the justification for nerfing resists? Why is the website never up to date with the new info?
Adam C	Posted - 2008.03.13 14:28:00 - [297] I haven't read the replies had, but my pc just had a major slow down whilst eve was on, and it was using hardly no system resources. I had to restart the pc.
Rastuasi	Posted - 2008.03.13 14:28:00 - [298] Besides the mess up with databases, good job. I have had zero problems and I am running windows vista ultimate 64bit. I still have every setting (as far as I know) and no graphical problems, the welcome pages are neat, though I am happy for the "do not show again" check boxes. Overall, good job.
Kendolph	Posted - 2008.03.13 14:31:00 - [299] Originally by: Rastuasi Besides the mess up with databases, good job. I have had zero problems and I am running windows vista ultimate 64bit. I still have every setting (as far as I know) and no graphical problems, the welcome pages are neat, though I am happy for the "do not show again" check boxes. Overall, good job. You are a dev alt right ?
Demuria	Posted - 2008.03.13 14:33:00 - [300] I for 1 got lucky and only have a problem with pinned windows (the select window and my overview) being pushed off the top of the screen when the fleet window opens. In low sec this can be deady while reseting and re-pining. I must say they will fix the problems we are having as fast as they can, they are after all human and no patch is ever 100%. I do wonder why the Stealth Bombers cant use the Covert Ops Cloaking Device II as its description indicates its for frigate class covert ops ships and if this will be changed?
Wrayeth	Posted - 2008.03.13 14:37:00 - [301] To everyone who lost their overview and other settings: DON'T CLICK "LAUNCH EVE" FROM THE PATCH WINDOW. SELECT "FINISH", INSTEAD, then launch EVE manually. If you do this, your settings (or, at least, most of them) should remain intact. As far as my patch experience goes, I've noticed a 10-20 FPS drop and also noticed some of the triangle asteroid belt or circular planet/moon icons disappear when you click a stack of multiple celestial objects. -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire "Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
Lyra Sy	Posted - 2008.03.13 14:38:00 - [302] Edited by: Lyra Sy on 13/03/2008 14:39:23 My full post is on page 4. But to recap from what I've read through out this thread: If using the /end /LUA:off args in your shortcuts you lose your settings files because EVE now looks for them in EVE/settings and not EVE/cache/settings. If using the default Trinity method you may have lost your settings because that folder has moved too. Now ccp creates a separate folder for each account/server combo that holds a cache and settings subdirectory. Very nice. You now don't have to worry about settings you used on the test server scrambling your regular playing account or one account crossing up the other. Just wish CCP had put that at the top of the patch notes. In each case, you may need to hunt down your old settings files and copy them to the new directory. Frame rate took a huge hit on the premium content side. I was down to 8 fps on each client. I'm doing fine now, but only because I had to revert back to classic graphics. I'm crossing my fingers that ccp can quickly resolve this issue. Part of the problem I'm guessing is that the station environment gets rendered anyway, even if you have it turned off (prelude necessity to a future ambulation patch perhaps? Or did the devs temp override this for testing and then forgot they did it? Who knows? I do know on the premium side I get the same fps whether docked or undocked since the patch.) Also, there may be some new keymappings giving ppl trouble - I've not had problems with this so I've not investegated it myself. Some earlier complained of TS not working or their alt key not working. Mmm, my alt key doesn't work either per se but rather seems to be permanently on as I can now always see the icons over moons, planets, belts, etc. Time to play around with those overview tabs I guess. :) So far both clients have been rock stable though no crashes here. So my best guess is its your graphics drivers. I've got an older graphics card with stable drivers and have never had crash problems with eve in all the years I've played. Can this forum do polls? I'd really be interesting in seeing how many ppl got forced out of the premium content by the last patch -like I did.
Zedma	Posted - 2008.03.13 14:43:00 - [303] FPS drop... Nerfed ship resistance... Higher CPU/GPU temp, my laptop now as always fans at maximum speed... what to say... a good job CCP, ty, we really need this.....
Shuan Jedai	Posted - 2008.03.13 14:43:00 - [304] Can't seem to be able to reach the patch download site. Not an FW or IP filtering issue on my end, might be DNS issue on ISP though. Anyone else have the same problem ? If not, any kind souls have mirrors up ?
Kendolph	Posted - 2008.03.13 14:44:00 - [305] Originally by: Demuria I for 1 got lucky and only have a problem with pinned windows (the select window and my overview) being pushed off the top of the screen when the fleet window opens. In low sec this can be deady while reseting and re-pining. I must say they will fix the problems we are having as fast as they can, they are after all human and no patch is ever 100%. I do wonder why the Stealth Bombers cant use the Covert Ops Cloaking Device II as its description indicates its for frigate class covert ops ships and if this will be changed? Nah no 100% but 50% will be nice ;P
Raven Seldon	Posted - 2008.03.13 14:48:00 - [306] Originally by: Szap Light Edit: regarding the repayment problem: I think its only fitting to request reeimbursment for this gametime. If CCP cant deploy a proper Patch (yes i pay for that as well) they should suffer the consequences! You cant just throw the patch on the server without care and solve the problems after that. Idd, Read my post at page 6: Patch Releases ______________________________________________ Everyone has the right to be stupid. Just don't abuse the privilege!
Eraggan Sadarr	Posted - 2008.03.13 14:51:00 - [307] This might be a solution to the problem with lost settings! I think the patch has moved the setting to a folder below the usual settings: A. Previous folder was: "C:\Documents and Settings\<User name>\Local Settings\Application Data\CCP\EVE" B. After patch i have: "C:\Documents and Settings\<User name>\Local Settings\Application Data\CCP\EVE\d_ccp_eve_tranquility" So the solution, i hope, would be to copy the "cache" and "settings" folders from the previous location A to new location B overwriting the files. I think ccp did this to avoid the problem of several installations and test installations. Use this information at your own risk!! Eve Market Scanner
Arconath	Posted - 2008.03.13 14:52:00 - [308] Edited by: Arconath on 13/03/2008 14:53:41 Please make ALT work the way it used to as not being able to see a moon's sprites/icons in space is a major frustration. See these threads: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=724591 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=724176
Nekopyat	Posted - 2008.03.13 14:55:00 - [309] I didn't read through the whole thread so this might be redundant. having a couple problems: (1)With the overview box, if I position it when flying a ship without drones then switch to a ship that has drones, the top of the overview box jumps up above the screen and can not be retrieved. (2) An unrepeated issue with the industry view. Selected a location and tried to get a list of available lines but the lines box never updated. Client had to be exited and reentered to work.
Onashinnen	Posted - 2008.03.13 15:02:00 - [310] Edited by: Onashinnen on 13/03/2008 15:03:51 Seems all this patch did was attempt to fix problems that arent there. I read the first page of responses, saw that there were at lest 10 more pages of people probably either agreeing that this patch just caused more problems than fix problems that weren't there, and I decided to not read them. Quit making patches we dont need, and, for the love of all that is holy, at least get a coding patch to keep our settings when you do decide to mess with our gaming experience.
Sirius Problem	Posted - 2008.03.13 15:02:00 - [311] Are there ANY professional IT people working at CCP? I'm serious. (no pun intended). Certainly you have a talented team of game designers, programmers, content developers, and artists, but do you have anyone that has worked as an IT professional in an environment where successful patch deployment is critical? I.e. Banks, hospitals, telephone companies, air traffic control? Of course, Eve is only a game and perhaps successful patch deployment isn't as critical in the gaming industry as those mentioned above, but neither is it as difficult. You can expect to have people complain about game changes no matter what you do. Everyone is different and you can't please them all. But you could save yourself much (deserved) grief if you hired a couple of IT pros for your QA and upgrade rollout team. ---- I am Super Cool
Onashinnen	Posted - 2008.03.13 15:06:00 - [312] Originally by: Sirius Problem You could save yourself much (deserved) grief if you hired a couple of IT pros for your QA and upgrade rollout team. Agreed.
Zenst	Posted - 2008.03.13 15:09:00 - [313] Originally by: Lyra Sy Edited by: Lyra Sy on 13/03/2008 14:39:23 My full post is on page 4. But to recap from what I've read through out this thread: If using the /end /LUA:off args in your shortcuts you lose your settings files because EVE now looks for them in EVE/settings and not EVE/cache/settings. If using the default Trinity method you may have lost your settings because that folder has moved too. Now ccp creates a separate folder for each account/server combo that holds a cache and settings subdirectory. Very nice. You now don't have to worry about settings you used on the test server scrambling your regular playing account or one account crossing up the other. Just wish CCP had put that at the top of the patch notes. In each case, you may need to hunt down your old settings files and copy them to the new directory. Frame rate took a huge hit on the premium content side. I was down to 8 fps on each client. I'm doing fine now, but only because I had to revert back to classic graphics. I'm crossing my fingers that ccp can quickly resolve this issue. Part of the problem I'm guessing is that the station environment gets rendered anyway, even if you have it turned off (prelude necessity to a future ambulation patch perhaps? Or did the devs temp override this for testing and then forgot they did it? Who knows? I do know on the premium side I get the same fps whether docked or undocked since the patch.) Also, there may be some new keymappings giving ppl trouble - I've not had problems with this so I've not investegated it myself. Some earlier complained of TS not working or their alt key not working. Mmm, my alt key doesn't work either per se but rather seems to be permanently on as I can now always see the icons over moons, planets, belts, etc. Time to play around with those overview tabs I guess. :) So far both clients have been rock stable though no crashes here. So my best guess is its your graphics drivers. I've got an older graphics card with stable drivers and have never had crash problems with eve in all the years I've played. Can this forum do polls? I'd really be interesting in seeing how many ppl got forced out of the premium content by the last patch -like I did. Indeed your spot on, although I learnt necver to start client after patch with launch option a few back , nice to see it still trash's settings. I located my settings in the old cache folder and copied to new one and alas eve would start just be running in a 0x0 window as minimized was all it did. ANyhow I then trashed teh pc.dat settings file and all seems well. i say seems as you can never tell. I still get aurora trying to chat me up wereever I go stalking me like some nutter, but I think she is gradualy taking the hints, though a global "oi bitten NO" option would kinda be needed big-stylee before she fraggles my nerves. Anyhow settings back+extra's :\. Still going to run with fresh reinstall as what I'm reading in the notes and what I'm seeing corrilates like sandpaper upon a babies bottom.
Dirk Garret	Posted - 2008.03.13 15:11:00 - [314] My biggest hope with this patch has not been realized - when will the MAC client support the Advanced Graphics content? CCP and Transgaming have promised the first quarter of 2008, but that will end in just a week or two. Also, I will reiterate what EVERYONE else is whining about. The warp gates and jump bridges have lost graphic quality, some are non-existent. Overview settings are gone, again - why doesn't this stuff import during the patch process? One interesting note that I noticed, don't know if anyone else noticed - when warping to 0 on a warp gate, the overview loses focus and the jump button doesn't highlight when in jump range. Those of us that live (and die) by beating gate camps in 0.0 sec. will lose when it comes to this. You need to click the overview box and/or click the gate again, even if it's already highlighted, to activate the icons for jumping. Is this because of the new tabbed overview? - It would be nice to have a feature in the settings window to turn off/on all welcome/hint screens for those of us who have been around the game for awhile. Seeing those on EVERY window and clicking the don't show again box is getting old. But what if you wanted to see them again(for some odd reason)? The per window check boxes are just to turn them off. I am a programmer myself and these little things are what always seem to get overlooked. Kudos though for the new Logoff button in the status/settings screen. This is a bit quicker for those of us with multiple characters and swapping them! All-in-all, CCP has made a great game and I will continue to play. I would love to see, as I'm sure everyone will agree, the (hopefully) soon-to-be-added "walkabout" environments with added character interaction!! [hr] "Try? Try not! DO or do not! . . . There is no try." - Yoda
Trade Tricks	Posted - 2008.03.13 15:15:00 - [315] Edited by: Trade Tricks on 13/03/2008 15:15:30 Markettab - IMPROOVEMENT ?!? Alphabetical order for items not given anymore? You went analphabetical or is this a sick joke ?? anyways congrats nice patch, i feel so positvely improoved !!!
Grath Telkin	Posted - 2008.03.13 15:17:00 - [316] Not sure what happened to ALL these friggin people but, my patch went fine. Still got all my overview settings, all my bookmarks, and as far as i can tell, I'm having no problems whatsoever. Thanks for fixing up the apoc and zealot, and the new overview stuff is pretty sweet actually, some testing on warping into POS's proved pretty smooth on the grid load without all the guns drawn on my screen. Market options are sweet too All in all, the delay sucks, but it happens sometimes, patch is still full of great stuff, and EVE is still full of Emo (see 12 previous pages for proof)
Kendar Zek	Posted - 2008.03.13 15:22:00 - [317] Originally by: Jen Khai lol as if you would unsubscribe because you cant play properly for a day after the patch xD you people need to calm down :) What's so hard to believe that CCP would lose customers over these issues? As a customer, I've decided that CCP doesn't care to earn my business by providing a smooth patch experience that, at the very least, maintains my game settings and various user configurations. If this patch had broken everything with the game mechanics, and my ship couldn't even fly through space, but my folders, settings, and preferences were still intact, I wouldn't have closed my account. That is how important this recurring issue is to me. I was paying to play the game, not repeatedly configure things I had setup dozens of times previously. -- Owner, Venture Racing Team
Zenst	Posted - 2008.03.13 15:22:00 - [318] Originally by: Sirius Problem Are there ANY professional IT people working at CCP? I'm serious. (no pun intended). Certainly you have a talented team of game designers, programmers, content developers, and artists, but do you have anyone that has worked as an IT professional in an environment where successful patch deployment is critical? I.e. Banks, hospitals, telephone companies, air traffic control? Of course, Eve is only a game and perhaps successful patch deployment isn't as critical in the gaming industry as those mentioned above, but neither is it as difficult. You can expect to have people complain about game changes no matter what you do. Everyone is different and you can't please them all. But you could save yourself much (deserved) grief if you hired a couple of IT pros for your QA and upgrade rollout team. Alas the only realy good QA I know of in software is the approach by airospace and the like. But I've seen Medical systems crash, be poorly designed and expliotable just as much as I have seen bank systems. Couple of examples would be: 1) Blackberry - 2 major patch's - 2 mamor outages - QA - well debatable and they never did give a honest reply to the town hall meeting 2 years ago but hey, there profesional IT ....right. 2) Pacemakers than can be remotely tapped into and have no excryption - this week that one. 3) some small banmk called Hmmm HSBC would couldn't even keep there digital certificate updated, despite alot of measures to notify when it expires. So when you say profesional IT people I cant but help think you dont actualy work in IT. Now a user-base QA team who feedsback and get voted upon, that would appease alot of people. But what is the ossues is the lack of openess and also given CCP one of the more open companies you tend to see the issues or not. That said I will say that patching and indeed the whole `QA` aspect needs a major shake-up, but please dont descriminate a profesional against a non-profesional or we would require comments like that to be profesional vetted. Are you a profesionaly qualified to comment :p. Define profesional and define IT and then look at the huge gaps that a project manager has to deal with and you see that IT reflects human interactions very well, flawed and buggy.
Toxeus Lightwave	Posted - 2008.03.13 15:25:00 - [319] Originally by: Corazona Edited by: Corazona on 13/03/2008 07:05:54 OK, I'll give you my feedback about this deployment. I don't yet have specific feedback about the operation of this new release, I'm working my way through it, and I'll provide that as soon as possible - probably tomorrow. But, I'm ready with my impressions of the deployment. Let me review the assertions you made to us during deployment, and illustrate how those assertions are actually perceived. <middle text removed> For a good laugh read original post! Translation: We didn't test the deployment scripts. As we mentioned earlier, we don't actually have a Dev/QA/Staging/Production Release Process which would catch this kind of error. So, when we went to production, this bit us in the ___. It bit you too. Don't expect a refund. LOL!! Spot on!
Cassandra Nuel	Posted - 2008.03.13 15:34:00 - [320] For all of you that lost the bookmarks and don't knwo how to get them back, here's what you can do: The IGB bookmarks are in a file called "bookmarksSites.txt" and it resides in your EVE cache folder's Browser subdirectory. Before the patch this was in "C:\Documents and Settings\XXX\Local Settings\CCP\EVE\cache\Browser" for XP or "C:\Users\XXX\AppData\Local\CCP\EVE\cache\Browser" on Vista. Either copy the entire file or copy the content from there into the new cache folder, which is now under a name that resembles your game install path under the "C:\Documents...\CCP\EVE\" directory. Hope this helps. It worked for me.
Midas Man	Posted - 2008.03.13 15:36:00 - [321] Server Error in '/' Application. I thought you were re-enabling API's at Downtime today??
Kerfira	Posted - 2008.03.13 15:41:00 - [322] The amount of 'No Information' from CCP is overwhelming..... Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Anaesthera	Posted - 2008.03.13 15:44:00 - [323] Patch works 100% for me. I'm willing to bet that it works fine for most people anyway.
Guillame Herschel	Posted - 2008.03.13 15:51:00 - [324] Edited by: Guillame Herschel on 13/03/2008 15:51:12 Originally by: Cassandra B I wish people would stop complaining about an patch issue, and continue to say 'oh im thinking of leaving eve... blah blah blah' Some things wont quite be the same after they play with the proramming of the game, I am positive they try to reduce the chance of this happening. SHUT UP! NOBODY WANTS TO HEAR THAT CRAP, MOMMY! *-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then. --*
Kendar Zek	Posted - 2008.03.13 15:59:00 - [325] Originally by: Anaesthera Patch works 100% for me. I'm willing to bet that it works fine for most people anyway. That's probably true. Unfortunately for the rest of us, the problems caused are too egregious to continue to ignore. -- Owner, Venture Racing Team
Darvin Felth	Posted - 2008.03.13 15:59:00 - [326] Originally by: Wizzkidy Terrible Terrible Terrible Terrible patch You have broken more then you have fixed. Sometimes I wonder why I bother. After 4+ yrs paying and playing this game i have to agree,overview settings gone yet again,IGB bookmarks gone and overview not staying where you put it after you dock and undock .... CCP patch testing dept. ur ****e,go stand in a corner and hang your head in shame Oh FFS and now i find me folders have gone in P&P .... and this is after i backed up all me settings before the patch and reinstalled em after it had done. CCP WTH u playing at ... Smoking Whippets since 1967 ....
Zaknussem	Posted - 2008.03.13 16:00:00 - [327] Well, I finally patched EvE, and had no problems to speak of. Of course, I only tried it for a few minutes and only travelled through a couple of systems. Good points: # Overview tabs are great, but I found them very confusing to set up. I'd also like to have control over the "default" tab, but that's no biggie, all things considered. # Load time drastically reduced all round - good job on that one! # A "Log Off" button has been added to the ESC menu, which only takes you to the Login screen instead of quitting to desktop - great job there! Bad points: # Engine sounds are back for me...and after listening to them for 2 minutes, I can understand why people play EvE without any sound whatsoever. So you can count me in the "not going to kill CCP staff over latest patch" group of players.
Guillame Herschel	Posted - 2008.03.13 16:03:00 - [328] Originally by: Grath Telkin Not sure what happened to ALL these friggin people You know what? NEITHER is CCP! *-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then. --*
Scrutt5	Posted - 2008.03.13 16:04:00 - [329] Wrecks are appearing when scanning with no overview settings (IE scanning for probes). IS this a bug or intended with the patch. Confirmation would be greatly appreciated.
Kichka Koftito	Posted - 2008.03.13 16:05:00 - [330] 50% EM ,10% Explo,25% Kin,45% Therm. - armor rezist 0% EM ,50% explo,40% Kin, 20% Therm - shield rezist raven, caracal, PHOENIX !!!!!! SWEEEEET,the Caldari are too good for CCp
Attalal Montt	Posted - 2008.03.13 16:05:00 - [331] I installed the new patch last night. Besides the problems found by CCP and needing to clear out the cache, I have had no problems. I still have all my P&P info and all of my windows are still docked in the same spots I had them prior to patch. Maybe it's an issue with the operating systems on peoples PCs? I'm running Vista with the latest updates. Seems there are many different issues popping up for different players. I see it tough to blame on the patch alone. I don't know nearly enough about Windows OS to point anyone in the right direction but I hope this little bit of info might help bring a shed of light to the problems so many are facing. Good luck everyone. I hope you all can get it taken care of so you can all get your game-on
Rastuasi	Posted - 2008.03.13 16:06:00 - [332] Originally by: Kendolph Originally by: Rastuasi Besides the mess up with databases, good job. I have had zero problems and I am running windows vista ultimate 64bit. I still have every setting (as far as I know) and no graphical problems, the welcome pages are neat, though I am happy for the "do not show again" check boxes. Overall, good job. You are a dev alt right ? Haha, no, I am a normal paying customer like you all, guess I just got lucky
Tom Rebane	Posted - 2008.03.13 16:09:00 - [333] Edited by: Tom Rebane on 13/03/2008 16:12:23 Edited by: Tom Rebane on 13/03/2008 16:11:03 Well lets see. 1. My overview starts 3 inches off my client and i have to wait 1-3 minutes for it to move down. as i cannot move it till its happy 2. Resistances, well we had the cpu increase to help stop omi tanks now people are going to use them more then ever ive been testing this and caldari really cant pull it off without invunfields now. a phoenix with t2 em, therm, and kin give a resitance off em55/ex50/kin73/ther64. so im going to have to fit invunfield to get all round restisance oh wait thats omni tanking wait we're ment to stop doing that. Seriously though ive almost been playing 3 year FOR the love of Guinness frikening change it back. Dunno why it was changed really in the start we we're all used to it all adapted to the old resistances and liked it. non of my friend's on eve said "hey you know whats a great idea lower resitances" 3. These freaking welcome windows on every ingame window is annoying, most players over a year know what their clicking we dont need a tutorial window pop up every time. i think this should be a feature turned on in your rookie period and turns off there after unless turned back on, on the esc menu 4. Delayed patches, normally patches are released on a tuesday and left to very last minute. can we stop this and use multiplicity. say tuesday the trial patch hit multiplicity and has 2 days of testing allowing quirks like the boot.ini and corrupting eve client issues of the past 2 patches. This would mean poeple volunteer to install these patches and test it. hopefully knowledgable people will find issues and give detailed report. i myself only know enough to fix my issues not know whats gone wrong. Also allow unlimited petition on multiplicity with a scaling system say 1-10 scroe 10 being OMG ccp read this or people computers will die. although this will mean some large quantity of junk it mean if people are reading the petition hopefully such issue wont arise. 5. For a company called Crowd Control Productions it seems it spends more time making us angry then appeasing us. Admittidly yes you can never make us all happy. But the number of us hating the new changes must be fing huge. normally i can see the light at end of tunnel yet this time i couldnt see the light, if there was its a group of pyromaniacs looking for me 6. Put resistances back... 7. normally i hate sounding like an fool but... PUT THE RESISTANCES BACK. Plans are worthless, Planning is essential
Guillame Herschel	Posted - 2008.03.13 16:10:00 - [334] Originally by: Cassandra Nuel Hope this helps. It worked for me. It didn't. The pathnames you gave are wrong. The originals are at X:\documents and settings\%user%\local settings\application data\CCP\EVE\cache\Browser I haven't found where it keeps the new bookmarks yet. *-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then. --*
Vactet	Posted - 2008.03.13 16:10:00 - [335] So..new patch... No problems. Overview didnt kill itself, all my presets are still there. Read over all the problems on the first two pages, none of them affect me. Only issue is the whole EVEMon thing which seems less of a bug and more intentional for the time being. Just wanted to let the devs know that this patch aint broken like alot of people are saying. PS: Restarting your computer AFTER patch installation, before you try to play....is a good thing. Ive done it everytime for the past 2 years and ive never had a bug related to patch day. Unless it was also related to EVEMon. Thats all. You cant flame me, for I care nothing for your existance. Delivering the kick to the jaw of society to stop it from drooling on itself like the ignorant slop it is since 1984. Originally by: CCP Sharkbait we are screwed.
Quincunx	Posted - 2008.03.13 16:11:00 - [336] Edited by: Quincunx on 13/03/2008 16:14:49 Edited by: Quincunx on 13/03/2008 16:11:49 I'm missing SP. My numbers of the indivudual skills under Spaceship Command in EVEMon (which are chached) add up, but in game they dont. The amounts of the skills themselves are the same both ingame and in EVEMon, but the total amount is not, those are lower ingame. Difference of about 200k I think. Wicked.
Princesse Qiao	Posted - 2008.03.13 16:13:00 - [337] OK I thinkI've fixed the alt-tab issue. Here goes: The EVE client writes profile caches to the C: drive and they are GINORMOUS (sic). Which means if u like me keep a very small C: drive, that and the rather big setup file can max you out, and stop EVE using a pagefile. This was just about OK before the patch but the patch has pushed memory use up about 10% maybe a bit more, soooo u need ur pagefile. Moving the pf to another drive and setting it to system managed seems to have done the trick (even tho system is setting a very similar size to my manual one - ie initial 3300 max 4990, EVE doesn't seem to want to write to the unmanaged pf anymore). Odd but if it works... Btw we just tested a can drop in Dod - just to get a bit of pressure piled on the 2 clients - and my alt didn't get flagged to me for attack.. hmm next issue...
Guillame Herschel	Posted - 2008.03.13 16:26:00 - [338] Originally by: Schani Kratnorr Perhaps it is time we all look at eachother and stop expecting patch-downtime to last less than 24 hours? No only No, but HELL NO. I work in IT and NOBODY lets me suggest that users should lower their expectations. Absolutely NOT. It will make things even worse if the user base just shrugs. *-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then. --*
Xing Tu	Posted - 2008.03.13 16:26:00 - [339] When I undock from the Lai Dai station in Airaken I get a weird graphic glitch. If I rotate the camera around the ship the planet gets occluded by... the background? In other words a big slice of the planet disappears, but dynamically as I pan around. Just thought it worth a mention.
Princesse Qiao	Posted - 2008.03.13 16:26:00 - [340] Oops jumped the gun .. after 10 mins of testing one client did lock up again. I'm still pretty sure this is to do with the way the new patched client is using mem/pagefile.. Nothing went wrong until I went OOG to write up.. Like I said much earlier in this thread - feel free to evemail with comments/other suggestions (but not micky mouse stuff like 'reinstall client' 'do gfx drivers', 'settings to min/classic'..etc.).
Guillame Herschel	Posted - 2008.03.13 16:34:00 - [341] Originally by: Lyra Sy If you have multiple clients now look for ...\c_program_files_eve_tranquility\settings or ...\c_program_files_eve2_tranquility\settings directories and manually relocate your settings files there if nec. Thank you. *-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then. --*
Rodanine	Posted - 2008.03.13 16:34:00 - [342] my current issues with the patch or things that have changed and are now annoying - my drone window will not stay pinned and has to be moved every time i undock it enjoys attaching itself to my overview on undock -the cargo hold button in the HUD will no longer close the cargo hold when clicked have to hit the X now to do that. - the load button for all tabs of the wallet both personal and corporate has moved to the far side of the wallet screen away from where you make the changes causing unnecessary mouse travel to do a quick check. thats all my current annoyances the rest of the patch i like have little problems at all with it and i really like i can make folders in my quickbar so that has become neater
Princesse Qiao	Posted - 2008.03.13 16:34:00 - [343] full blown client crash now with a c++ runtime error - so now we know where the overruns r coming from... over to u CCP...
Elstar	Posted - 2008.03.13 16:36:00 - [344] Edited by: Elstar on 13/03/2008 16:35:59 i'd like to see an update about resolving issues like 'bad crc while patching', 'settings disappeared after patch', 'overview windows don't keep their position after undocking', and a rollback for shield/armor resistance values before patching the client and trying to log in...
Merak Thrawn	Posted - 2008.03.13 16:36:00 - [345] Ship changes themselves are allright along with the minor other changes made to tractor beams etc, but what on earth were you thinking with the EM / Explo nerf to Armor and Shields...Bye bye working onmitank for Gallente's gimped amount of lowslots.
Bohoba	Posted - 2008.03.13 16:45:00 - [346] Memory Leak still there while mining using premuim content runs fine with premuim content disable Just an FYI :) Windows VistaÖ Ultimate x64-based PC Gigabyte X38-DQ6 Processor Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Extreme CPU Q6850 Memory 4,093.69 MB 2X Crossfire ASUS EAH3870/G/HTDI/512M Radeon HD 3870 512MB
Elve Sorrow	Posted - 2008.03.13 16:46:00 - [347] FPS in space down to 6-8, down from 50 prepatch. When im looking at empty space, and with noone else in local. All graphic settings already turned down. Awesome patch, truly awesome.
n0thing	Posted - 2008.03.13 16:52:00 - [348] After patch the refresh rate of monitor ingame stuck @ 60 Hz wich is unplayble, moreover half of resolution options disappeared. wth?! ---
Jare Tzard	Posted - 2008.03.13 16:58:00 - [349] Originally by: Quincunx I'm missing SP. My numbers of the indivudual skills under Spaceship Command in EVEMon (which are chached) add up, but in game they dont. The amounts of the skills themselves are the same both ingame and in EVEMon, but the total amount is not, those are lower ingame. Difference of about 200k I think. Wicked. You do know that EveMon counts up SP as you train a skill up, and Eve itself only updates SP at the end of a skill don't you? My guess is that that you are 200k SP through a skill.
SemiCharmed	Posted - 2008.03.13 17:03:00 - [350] Originally by: Tom Rebane Edited by: Tom Rebane on 13/03/2008 16:12:23 Edited by: Tom Rebane on 13/03/2008 16:11:03 Well lets see. 1. My overview starts 3 inches off my client and i have to wait 1-3 minutes for it to move down. as i cannot move it till its happy 2. Resistances, well we had the cpu increase to help stop omi tanks now people are going to use them more then ever ive been testing this and caldari really cant pull it off without invunfields now. a phoenix with t2 em, therm, and kin give a resitance off em55/ex50/kin73/ther64. so im going to have to fit invunfield to get all round restisance oh wait thats omni tanking wait we're ment to stop doing that. Seriously though ive almost been playing 3 year FOR the love of Guinness frikening change it back. Dunno why it was changed really in the start we we're all used to it all adapted to the old resistances and liked it. non of my friend's on eve said "hey you know whats a great idea lower resitances" 3. These freaking welcome windows on every ingame window is annoying, most players over a year know what their clicking we dont need a tutorial window pop up every time. i think this should be a feature turned on in your rookie period and turns off there after unless turned back on, on the esc menu 4. Delayed patches, normally patches are released on a tuesday and left to very last minute. can we stop this and use multiplicity. say tuesday the trial patch hit multiplicity and has 2 days of testing allowing quirks like the boot.ini and corrupting eve client issues of the past 2 patches. This would mean poeple volunteer to install these patches and test it. hopefully knowledgable people will find issues and give detailed report. i myself only know enough to fix my issues not know whats gone wrong. Also allow unlimited petition on multiplicity with a scaling system say 1-10 scroe 10 being OMG ccp read this or people computers will die. although this will mean some large quantity of junk it mean if people are reading the petition hopefully such issue wont arise. 5. For a company called Crowd Control Productions it seems it spends more time making us angry then appeasing us. Admittidly yes you can never make us all happy. But the number of us hating the new changes must be fing huge. normally i can see the light at end of tunnel yet this time i couldnt see the light, if there was its a group of pyromaniacs looking for me 6. Put resistances back... 7. normally i hate sounding like an fool but... PUT THE RESISTANCES BACK. I agree 100% on whats been said on this post. -------------------------------------------- Remember Kids, Only YOU Can Prevent Fourm fires.
weedmasta	Posted - 2008.03.13 17:04:00 - [351] Is the server up atm? Because it doesn't show it online to me ___________________________________ Shuuuun, shuuuun the smacktalkers.
Theramin Dogon	Posted - 2008.03.13 17:09:00 - [352] Edited by: Theramin Dogon on 13/03/2008 17:12:05 Originally by: Midas Man Server Error in '/' Application. I thought you were re-enabling API's at Downtime today?? They actually changed it from Quote: In addition, API will not be enabled until after downtime (March 13) because of performance issues relating to the database. to Quote: In addition to this, the API will not be enabled until after the next regular Downtime on Friday, 14 March, due to performance issues relating to the database. Interestingly enough, they didn't make a new news item that said, "hey guys, sorry we need another day for APIs our bad." No, they just changed the old news item. Heckuva job.
Trader Joe's	Posted - 2008.03.13 17:14:00 - [353] Not sure where else to put this so.. Love some of the new features, but they seem very half-implemented. Here's some suggestions to make them a lot more useful. 1) The EWAR overview column needs to actually BE a column that you can put where you choose like everything else. 2) The market quickbar folders is awesome! But, you need to be able to re-order stuff. I can't find anyway at all to do that. 3) The overview default tab either needs to be deletable or able to load something other than the default. Having 9 extra as the max instead of 5 would be nice too.
JiJiCle	Posted - 2008.03.13 17:14:00 - [354] Originally by: Lunch Money Actually you are totaly wrong, I had settings in folders where I had my eve clients on disk d: using that /off something commends so that what you wrote earlier woudnt do anything. What you need is ... BRAIN Just copy settings from you folder with eve to folder which has been crated. I use the /LUA:off switch too... when I wrote "./settings" I meant "..../EVE/settings" "." was for the root folder of eve exe&files and btw, I did copy the settings file from the old folder to the new one, It didnt took me long to find what happen the problem is that lot of ppl wont find out and dont even try it's CCP part to make things easy and keep those settings files useful and so, in the right folder. Speaking of brain, I won't say you're the one who need one, but you should have use it while writing this post, as your sens of humor... ------ COLSUP Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Randolf Sightblinder	Posted - 2008.03.13 17:16:00 - [355] The other posiblity for some list SP. Remember they said they had to restore from backup? The system might have lost a few hours of SP for people, though 200k might be a bit much... Randolf
RemusVI	Posted - 2008.03.13 17:33:00 - [356] Originally by: Elve Sorrow FPS in space down to 6-8, down from 50 prepatch. When im looking at empty space, and with noone else in local. All graphic settings already turned down. Awesome patch, truly awesome. i agree with this i am running the classic version with 16bit reduced it from 24bit after the new patch. Turned off Missile effects including hoping to improve performances but still....this new patch has severly reduced my FPS , i have a GeForce 6600 [256mb ram] + 1GB ram [533mhz] / XP-SP2 LEGION FEDERATION "We beleive in Vigilence ,Federalism and Freedom" President Of The Council and Fleet Admiral: Admiral RemusVI Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Enkilil	Posted - 2008.03.13 17:35:00 - [357] OK: Only a few crashes on startup this time, can't blame the patch for that, since random crashes started before Trinity (they just haven't been addressed yet). All settings / bookmarks lost (nothing really surprising there). All in all, I guess I'm thankful my boot.ini wasn't touched this time. Seems to be troublesome issues but nothing life threatening. FPS has gotten no better / no worse w/ Premium Content for me. good points: 1. Lots of welcome to your _____ window! screens, not very useful to me, but probably very helpful for new players. 2. Vigilant now looks cool again. tyvm :D 3. Thanks for the much groovier Nanite Repair Paste icon. 4. The overview now showing targets using EW on you is a nice feature, seems to work well. Just first impressions, only played for about an hour and most of that was spent trying to get my overview situated and all my lost settings back. Has anyone had an issue with webbing an NPC / Rat and the web activated but not slowing down the target? It happened to me twice now since the update, just thought it was worth mentioning. I really can't stress enough how annoying it is having to re-establish my settings and bookmarks every time there's a patch, (or worse) every time Eve crashes my computer, which is very frequent. Please take some time to stop adding new content and nerfing (sorry, 'balancing') everything to hell and back, and address this issue! I know a lot of us would certainly appreciate it. -Enki
Aronad	Posted - 2008.03.13 17:35:00 - [358] When trying to load premium client, my extensions.dll file gets moved causing the client to stop running. Any solutions at the moment?
Nekopyat	Posted - 2008.03.13 17:47:00 - [359] Originally by: Anaesthera Patch works 100% for me. I'm willing to bet that it works fine for most people anyway. Well yes, the patch probably did work well for most people. That isn't the point. If people don't chime in and say what didn't work then problems won't get addressed. While many are not exactly being polite about it (which isn't constructive), ultimately CCP needs to know about things that go wrong and that is the point of threads like this. While positive 'yay you did good!' feedback might give nice warm fuzzies it doesn't actually accomplish much. CCP needs to be aware of what their internal QA missed so they can correct those issues and get the people who are having trouble back up and running or fix functionality that didn't quite work as intended.
She Storm	Posted - 2008.03.13 17:52:00 - [360] Please work on the locking up and super lowered FPS issue.. it makes the game COMPLETLY unplayable. 3 times now I have found C++ runtime error messages coming up if that helps any
Nekopyat	Posted - 2008.03.13 17:52:00 - [361] Originally by: Onashinnen The whole Trinity patch was astounding. Anyone who says otherwise is artisticly illiterate. Except the people who didn't benefit from the eye candy patch and thus felt it was a huge resource drain that only caused problems and didn't give new content that they could access (such game mechanic overhauls). So when you take the pretty stuff away Trinity was much more ho-hum and left a lot of people thinking 'great, now I'll have to wait till the NEXT major version before anything interesting happens'. Not saying trinity was a bad move, just pointing out that there are reasonable detractors that have reasons other then being artisicly illerate ^_~
Dr Punanious	Posted - 2008.03.13 17:53:00 - [362] Hi, 1. Overview windows (all) fail to stay in place when pinned. Everytime you dock/undock, form a fleet etc it goes wrong. 2. Linked to above the selected object box completely disappears! 3. When alt-tabbing to a second client Eve crashes. Did you actually do any testing or just go down the pub!?
Ruban Spazmo	Posted - 2008.03.13 17:57:00 - [363] After patch i can't even get the client to load up :/ nothing, zilcho.
Smoogle	Posted - 2008.03.13 18:03:00 - [364] Originally by: Bannie Bajannie I haven't logged in yet, but I'm most irked by the blurb about 'not a single 'nerf''. How was the resistance reduction not a nerf? Yeah, that's relevant. 20% damage reduction over two types, while saying that it's a no-nerf patch? Sure, you're buffing EM and Explosive versus players, but it does jack for mission runners. If CCP lowered resistance on rats too, it would be a buff, but I'm betting that rat resistance is unchanged. :P
Botthkill	Posted - 2008.03.13 18:04:00 - [365] After the patch I had no problems with bookmarks and overview settings. But I had the same problem others have mentioned regarding SP number when compared with EveMon. I noticed , after pausing and restarting the currently training skill, that the SP number was updated to match the SP number as shown by EveMon. So, no lost SP for me! But there are some annoying issues like: dropping FPS not closing the cargo window when clicked on cargo button But I hope CCP will fix these issues asap. There were some good things after this patch and gratz for that. Let's keep up a good spirit and not bring up issues like professional skills. We all do mistakes and wouldn't like others to be harsh on us when this happens. I'm sure CCP is working around the clock to improve the game, to remove bugs and to please as many as they can ... and again to improve and to remove bugs ... and so on. Let's not pass judgements! That's my humble opinon, if you don't like it, well .. then judge me too!!! ----- BK
Jim Sharpe	Posted - 2008.03.13 18:06:00 - [366] No nerfs in this patch was widely touted by CCP. The reduction of resistances is not a nerf? Come on CCP, you can't just reduce ship resistances and expect us to not count it as a nerf. And no BS about it being balance, not a nerf. When the resistances on our ships go down, we have been nerfed.
KBP	Posted - 2008.03.13 18:13:00 - [367] Originally by: Vorgx incredible "no nerf" patch, less explosive resistance and less em resistance. who the hell is making this suggestions? i playes trained caldari for almost 3 years, and now every ship sucks, what are u trying to do here? to everyone play with only one race? please stop with the nerf **** I fully agree with you - although I'm minmantar, only loosing resists, not getting anyting back but dont tell it to a amarr, they will call you a whiner.
Esmenet	Posted - 2008.03.13 18:16:00 - [368] Nice patch. Everything works great for me and the new overview is looking good. The only issue i have is that the overview is a bit confusing to set up properly. Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
Shadowspeed	Posted - 2008.03.13 18:23:00 - [369] Nice patch indeed, no problems at all, good job
Amalek Nostrum	Posted - 2008.03.13 18:26:00 - [370] Originally by: KBP I fully agree with you - although I'm minmantar, only loosing resists, not getting anyting back but dont tell it to a amarr, they will call you a whiner. Given that Minmatar ships are designed around projectile weapons and missiles, two systems which can change damage types on the fly to suit the target, I'd say the Minmatar benefit most from any sort of resistance nerf. Throw drones into the mix, and you're the best race, loaded with omni-damage platforms.
Mr Key	Posted - 2008.03.13 18:27:00 - [371] Hi looks amazing only problem is i keep getting memory dumps now !
Tak Emp	Posted - 2008.03.13 18:35:00 - [372] Can some tell me should I contine to use in my shortcut "D:\Program Files (x86)\CCP\EVE\eve.exe" /end /LUA:OFF or do I need to change it, Thanks
Elseer Radak	Posted - 2008.03.13 18:36:00 - [373] All, I must say I'm really disappointed by this patch's QA failures. I like allot of the patch changes and dislike other changes, but the lack of rigor in your test cases needs to be addressed. Here are a few workarounds for the more boneheaded mistakes that QA did not catch: 1) I'm using /END /LUA:off and have multiple clients. I've lost my settings and display options fix: backup files from $everoot\settings copy files from $everoot\cache\settings to $everoot\settings now audit the new settings like disabling the absurd welcome screen etc. NB: I suspect lost browser bookmarks takes a similar fix, but I run with /end /LUA:OFF on vista x64 and have not encountered this issue. 2a) I was using window mode to run more than one client at a time now it's full screen but I get a black screen and cant set any options since I cant see them. I'm getting a "refresh rate not supported" or "video mode not supported" from my monitor. fix: hit alt-enter to switch to window mode. adjust settings as desired 2b) I am running one client but getting the above error. fix: hit alt-enter to switch to windows mode. Adjust screen resolution to your desktop resolution. now go back to full screen mode. I would like to see the following items from CCP in the next patch: 1) List of files to be changed. 2) List of files to be moved and their new location 3) A routine that checks for files that did not get moved and fixes them. Alternatively, parse the old files and migrate them to the new location. The goal here is to assume you'll never be able to test the new settings are moved so have a fall through that does not involve resetting the client overview to the defaults! 4) probe the monitor resolution based on the registry or the driver. don't permit display resolutions whose refresh rate is outside the stated boundaries but permit an advanced option. Alternatively, when in full screen mode, if the EULA is not "accepted" in a minute or two, switch to windowed mode! A second alternative is to always start in windowed mode if a user setting is not present but the game is post patch. Also, I want to see CCP start collecting some data on thier clients since It's become clear you do not have a usefull grasp on where or how your clients are installed: 1) installation path 2) startup options 3) resolutions, depth, refresh etc used 4) audio settings 5) eve voice settings 6) window vs full screen mode 7) Free memory on game launch, Free memory during game run as a running average and high/low water marks 8) number of clients run simultaneously. you need to start discussing the statistics on this at your project and dev meetings. The QA team should be partially driven by these stats and have test cases to reflect at least 95% of the active player base and any outside cases. Lastly, you need to start tracking what people complain about and discuss the statistically significant complaints and their relative merits. All of this is Software QA 101 but I'm beginning to feel you need an outside eye or two that is divorced from your internal politics to start seeing how and why significant qa failures are occurring! As respectfully as I'm capable of, Elseer Radak
Kappas.	Posted - 2008.03.13 18:43:00 - [374] Edited by: Kappas. on 13/03/2008 18:44:24 On the forums, it doesn't seem to work to re-enable signature graphics. I always get "for some reason this character does not belong to you! concord has been notified" Edit: Nm, it seems to only be for characters with moderator edited sigs; might want to make that clearer though. __________________
VicturusTeSaluto	Posted - 2008.03.13 18:47:00 - [375] Originally by: Elseer Radak I must say I'm really disappointed by this patch's QA failures. This. The patch breaks EVE for me. I can't tab between clients without eve locking up. Roll it back.
Dr Caligo	Posted - 2008.03.13 18:48:00 - [376] Edited by: Dr Caligo on 13/03/2008 18:48:11 K well I started a thread Linkage about taking a fps hit after the patch but then it got locked. So I'm following the mods instructions and putting this discussion in this thread. My fps have dropped a decent amount post patch, anyone else?
Culsotu2	Posted - 2008.03.13 18:48:00 - [377] Edited by: Culsotu2 on 13/03/2008 18:48:39 Originally by: Xing Tu When I undock from the Lai Dai station in Airaken I get a weird graphic glitch. If I rotate the camera around the ship the planet gets occluded by... the background? In other words a big slice of the planet disappears, but dynamically as I pan around. Just thought it worth a mention. I got that too. -in another system thou. Other than that Im happy with the patch. All my ov settings are still there etc. Engine sound is back and wuh the Vigilant looks cool again :)
El Covah	Posted - 2008.03.13 18:52:00 - [378] Originally by: Dr Caligo Edited by: Dr Caligo on 13/03/2008 18:48:11 K well I started a thread Linkage about taking a fps hit after the patch but then it got locked. So I'm following the mods instructions and putting this discussion in this thread. My fps have dropped a decent amount post patch, anyone else? I bugreported it and it has been "attached to a defect". Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Gaius Sejanus	Posted - 2008.03.13 18:53:00 - [379] As of the patch, the hotkey which was previously labeled "Toggle Cargo Bay Of Active Ship" has become "Open Cargo Bay Of Active Ship". So, while I can use a key to open the bay, I now have to use the mouse and click it back closed. There is no possible reason for this change. This is an unacceptable change. This change needs to be restored to its old functionality immediately.
Ad'ul	Posted - 2008.03.13 18:54:00 - [380] The cargo button in the HUD used to both open AND CLOSE the cargo window. With he patch the close function is missing. A minor problem, but a quick function that I find useful to keep the screen uncluttered.
Dr Caligo	Posted - 2008.03.13 18:55:00 - [381] Originally by: El Covah I bugreported it and it has been "attached to a defect". Good news I suppose. I was getting worried for a second.
Einor Deminre	Posted - 2008.03.13 18:59:00 - [382] Originally by: Dr Caligo Edited by: Dr Caligo on 13/03/2008 18:48:11 K well I started a thread Linkage about taking a fps hit after the patch but then it got locked. So I'm following the mods instructions and putting this discussion in this thread. My fps have dropped a decent amount post patch, anyone else? Yup, same issue here :( I tried to do a lvl 4 (Mordus Headhunters) and my FPS reached an all time low of 4! four fPS! I know I'm not running anything near top end, but I've never had client lags, this was in a system with 10people in local. ------------------ System Information ------------------ Time of this report: 3/13/2008, 19:53:10 Machine name: Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 2 Language: Danish (Regional Setting: Danish) System Manufacturer: K8N4V System Model: K8NF4G-VSTA BIOS: Default System BIOS Processor: AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3000+, MMX, 3DNow, ~1.8GHz Memory: 2048MB RAM Page File: 340MB used, 3599MB available Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904) DX Setup Parameters: Not found DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.2180 32bit Unicode --------------- Display Devices --------------- Card name: ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT Manufacturer: ATI Technologies Inc. Chip type: ATI Radeon Graphics Processor (0x9588) DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz) Display Memory: 512.0 MB Current Mode: 1280 x 1024 (32 bit) (60Hz) Monitor: Plug and Play-skµrm Monitor Max Res: 1600,1200 Driver Name: ati2dvag.dll Driver Version: 6.14.0010.6755 (English) DDI Version: 9 (or higher) Before patch I was at 45-25 FPS, now after patch with the same game settings I'm getting HUGE spikes in FPS when in station anyhwhere between 55 and 10. Depending on angle and lighting. When doing the mission I had 25 FPS at jump in gate, 20 FPS at first pocket and 4! FPS at the last (some 30 ships there i guess). Hope this issue gets sorted, because the game is unplayable for me!
Johncrab	Posted - 2008.03.13 18:59:00 - [383] Edited by: Johncrab on 13/03/2008 19:01:13 The Alt key function of highlighting icons for the center of the ship and all objects in space isn't working. This is vital for everyone that spends their time scanning down ships. Please fix it ASAP.
Emerald Cortess	Posted - 2008.03.13 19:00:00 - [384] Give us the 'alt'-key for the brackets back!
Shandelzare	Posted - 2008.03.13 19:01:00 - [385] with the patch my FPS went down to nearly the level of "unplayable", I'm using the classic client since my computer is nowhere near powerfull enough for the premium client. Pre-patch I had around 25-35 fps in open space, post patch my fps is constantly around 10-15 in space. specs: processor: AMD athlon 2600+ vid card: geForce fx5600 ram: 1024mb
Roy Faller	Posted - 2008.03.13 19:02:00 - [386] Why, when fixing the item volumes on medium guns specifically did it go to 25m3? all named/t2 versions of the same caliber are 10m3. Also, both t1 medium artillery calibers are 25m3 where only the highest was 25 for the other gun types, as well as all medium autocannons being 10m3. At this point it's just inconsistent. Why not have all medium guns(or modules in general) just be 10m3 and leave it at that?
Johncrab	Posted - 2008.03.13 19:04:00 - [387] Originally by: Emerald Cortess Give us the 'alt'-key for the brackets back! This is what I ment
TLani	Posted - 2008.03.13 19:06:00 - [388] Is it just me, or has ice mining got faster? It seems the turnaround is about half of the time it took before. Just wondering if any of you miners have noticed this.
Chamosia	Posted - 2008.03.13 19:09:00 - [389] Originally by: Nyabinghi Ok I hope this is finally the right thread cause I've been bounced twice now. Here is my report so far: 1) Ship appears and disappears in hanger. 2) 1st undock attempt I saw only the station undock tunnel and not my ship (though my ship was in space already). fixed when I "looked" at station then "unlooked". 3) Flying away from station, camera locked to a single view and would not rotate or zoom in/out on ship. I could fly back to station but the camera showed me still flying away from station. Essentially screen image frooze. bump same issues, also can not approach bookmarks
Nathair Dubh	Posted - 2008.03.13 19:11:00 - [390] I'm glad that the ship models are now fixed when "Show station environment" is turned off - but now the choral music plays, which was the only reason I turned station environment off in the first place. Please give us a way of turning off this intensely annoying music loop. It makes me want to go out and torture small fluffy animals, and we really don't want that now do we?
Railwhore	Posted - 2008.03.13 19:12:00 - [391] Small Overview Problem: Remove Empty Wrecks & Remove Viewed Wrecks has no affect on the overview window at all until you re-load the current overview settings. Before, if you opened a wreak it would remove it from the view but now it doesnt.
Yoinx	Posted - 2008.03.13 19:12:00 - [392] For the people that are having problems with the new patch or any other for that matter... Use the test server when the new builds hit it. Bug Report your errors. It's that simple. I can't imagine that if more people were doing this, that the builds would have as many bugs in them as they do now. The test server is a great tool that CCP offers it's players. They could just roll out patches and be like "SURPRISE. You won't be able to play now." The patch notes should come out earlier though imo. Also, the test server should be easier to setup and access... I don't care much for having to copy my eve folder everytime to install new patches (maybe i'm the only one with this problem). Btw CCP, Great work adapting to the situation and getting things back up. - I wish I had something witty to put in a signature. -
Bacchanalian	Posted - 2008.03.13 19:14:00 - [393] Give back the alt key. Scanning is unnecessarily difficult without it. ____________________ GM Sunshine > oops Neurotica > Hate to see a GM in your gang say 'oops' Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Ranko	Posted - 2008.03.13 19:15:00 - [394] Wheres the ALT bracket thingy gone? I used to use it all the time, from quick location of planets and moons to other stuff... FFS CCP this patch as advertised by you said it contained NO nerfs... you lied! AGAIN! --- Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. 09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0 ^_^
Rod Blaine	Posted - 2008.03.13 19:18:00 - [395] please fix dual-account running, you ****** it up AGAIN with this patch. 1x classic, max settings, whatever: no probs. 1x classic, max performance settings, no sounds, no nothing: no problems. Start a second client in either situation: immediate performance drop from hell, and if unlucky a full lockup for several minutes/ untill you reset pc. Every single patch something is screwed up with memory leaks and such, seems this one is no different. [center] Old blog
CanalGoose	Posted - 2008.03.13 19:18:00 - [396] Edited by: CanalGoose on 13/03/2008 19:25:31 Well having problems with running 2 clients on a WindoZe box in Premium Graphics Switching from one client to the other fails periodically; always the client that has been in the background for a few minutes. Under Vistas sending the client to the forground via the Task Manager works at times; under XP the only way to get the client to respond is to "end task" from within Task Manager. at first thought it was an ice field taxing my Notebook, but the same problem occured on the desktop while just travelling, the client traveling on Auto Pilot for 10 jumps didn't respond. Now I had problems with PremGraphics before, but back then the screen just froze for a few seconds. The other funny thing,, was all of a sudden my Drones overview showed 15 drones in my Hulk 1. group was fine, 2. group showed 10 drones when opened and 5 drones when closed. when selecting one drone it showed 2 as selected. problem disappeared after deleting both groups and creating new ones. all in all, considering that CCP has been doing this for over 4 years, these patches are a sad sad thing.
Sky Marshal	Posted - 2008.03.13 19:26:00 - [397] Edited by: Sky Marshal on 13/03/2008 19:30:38 Well... After I launch EVE, I now have the item hangar window who always go at top of the EVE screen same if his right position is at bottom. This never happen before this patch. And there is one minute, after login, the channels had followed the item hangar, all of them at top of EVE screen. Same if I move them and logout, they absolutely want go at top of the screen. So I will have to reset ALL settings and recreate them to correct this, as they are too dumb to collaborate and stay at BOTTOM...... I hope that ONE DAY, CCP will forget dat files to make settings as XML files, this would permit everyone to edit/correct them if it is required, like some games (Anarchy Online, etc...). This would also permit to counter the Alzheimer disease who affect them sometimes one or two months after reset them (Thread : Are your settings resetting or logs not being saved?). Also, the "Boost patch" with "no single nerf" is the worse lie I ever see from a dev. I guess that some devs want become politicians ____ 14/20 Revelations : Desyncs... 11/20 Trinity : BBSOD, Bugs, Desyncs, F*** Nerfs 10/20 1.1 : [...] + EXP shield nerf 07/20 ½ Not a single nerf + : What ?!? CCP is the real problem of EVE.
Lodhi	Posted - 2008.03.13 19:26:00 - [398] alt button,alt button,alt button,alt button and alt button. also clicking on lets say cargo button used to open cargo and close cargo, now it only opens cargo and not close it. same for scanner button. and alt button fubar of course, fix it yesterday already. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Chamosia	Posted - 2008.03.13 19:34:00 - [399] Originally by: Chamosia Originally by: Nyabinghi Ok I hope this is finally the right thread cause I've been bounced twice now. Here is my report so far: 1) Ship appears and disappears in hanger. 2) 1st undock attempt I saw only the station undock tunnel and not my ship (though my ship was in space already). fixed when I "looked" at station then "unlooked". 3) Flying away from station, camera locked to a single view and would not rotate or zoom in/out on ship. I could fly back to station but the camera showed me still flying away from station. Essentially screen image frooze. bump same issues, also can not approach bookmarks Any one help!!!!!!!!
Chamosia	Posted - 2008.03.13 19:38:00 - [400] can't wait for the patch to fix the patch
CanalGoose	Posted - 2008.03.13 19:42:00 - [401] Originally by: Yoinx For the people that are having problems with the new patch or any other for that matter... Use the test server when the new builds hit it. Bug Report your errors. It's that simple. I can't imagine that if more people were doing this, that the builds would have as many bugs in them as they do now. The test server is a great tool that CCP offers it's players. They could just roll out patches and be like "SURPRISE. You won't be able to play now." The patch notes should come out earlier though imo. Also, the test server should be easier to setup and access... I don't care much for having to copy my eve folder everytime to install new patches (maybe i'm the only one with this problem). Btw CCP, Great work adapting to the situation and getting things back up. As for the test server it should be a place where new ideas should be tested. I personally don't have the time to play on both servers I believe it shouldn't be up to us players to ensure patches are working. Be kind of like drivers telling a car manufacturer what they want, they implement it and then send the cars out saying, here it is lets see if it's working or if its safe.
Usagi Toshiro	Posted - 2008.03.13 19:44:00 - [402] Hm, now I am interested to undock and see how much of this has happened to my client. I experienced no problems in station last night as I logged in to do some ship fitting shopping. The new intro menus were nice and the ability to log out to the log in screen instead of just completely shutting down the client is a great addition! Now if we could just exit to the character select screen... I'll enjoy a pizza and cola dinner tonight in honor of the sleep deprived devs slaving away. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Hohenheim OfLight	Posted - 2008.03.13 19:44:00 - [403] Just got desinked from geminite and I can not log any of my chars in that are in gem, only the ones in empire, and other alliance members are stuck out side gem and can not jump into it, I think geminite has a problem. ---------------------------------------------- Is mining for a hel mad? or just ambishus?
Kwint Sommer	Posted - 2008.03.13 19:46:00 - [404] Edited by: Kwint Sommer on 13/03/2008 19:49:26 You screwed up the Market Quickbar badly, see here, and why did you screw with the alt key? It was working fine and while it wouldn't be the end of the world if you had just bound the same feature to some other key, you didn't. Alt-Z doesn't put brackets on my ship and it doesn't show me where moons are. Congratulations, in the name of "boosting" you completely ****** up two perfectly good things! I don't care if you have to get rid of the new content to do it, just make them work like they use to. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals
Fehz	Posted - 2008.03.13 19:46:00 - [405] Everyone needs to stop with the whine threads and just set long skills (5+ days). Please understand that this game (yes, it's just a game) is one of the most complex computer systems that people could ever imagine. If you want to do your part to make sure patches go smoother, more people need to hop on sisi and try out more than new pvp ship setups. I have an idea. Why doesn't CCP give isk rewards to people who contribute to beta testing? Like give them specific tasks to complete in beta testing, have a GM on sisi monitoring each person's progress, and give them isk on TQ?
Funkert	Posted - 2008.03.13 19:48:00 - [406] Originally by: Hohenheim OfLight Just got desinked from geminite and I can not log any of my chars in that are in gem, only the ones in empire, and other alliance members are stuck out side gem and can not jump into it, I think geminite has a problem. yup, im stuck at geminate too ....... chat was still active and updated but couldnt move or warp or eject. tried to relog but now im stuck at the entering game as-bar. anyways, after the patch huge fps drop here too, even in small systems with no ppl/stations in it. and i want my jumpbridge animation back :< (btw if someone else uses the JB it is shown)
Guillame Herschel	Posted - 2008.03.13 19:52:00 - [407] Some positive feedback: 1. Overview tabs - thumbs up! Very well done. This helps a LOT. Thank you. 2. Brackets - same thing. Helps a lot, especially on a crowded battlefield. Glitches: 1. The Default tab doesn't seem to remember its settings across session changes. My workaround is to use this tab for temporary overview settings, like for the directional scanner, or to target friendlies, that sort of thing. 2. Alt key no longer shows all brackets. You have to choose a overview tab that has Show All Brackets set, then hit Alt to see the normally hidden brackets like moons. 3. On the Tabs setting screen, tabs that have been set to Show All Brackets don't seem to remember this setting, but it appears to be a cosmetic glitch only on the Tabs setting screen. The tabs so configured actually do show all brackets. *-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then. --*
Xetu Noi	Posted - 2008.03.13 19:55:00 - [408] Bug that started with Boost Patch: Cannot create new characters. Creating a character as follows: Caldari > Civire > Female > Stats (+3 Int, +2 Mem) > Entrepreneurs > Business > Executive Commander > Create Appearance > After finishing setting new character's appearance and hitting the advance button at bottom right of screen instead of moving to next step to create name the game goes to a black screen with a window saying FETCHING DATA and the loading bar fills all the way to the right and hangs. Only way to get out of this is to hit ESC and select Quit Game. Tried three seperate times in the last hour or so but all 3 failed. Doing this on: Intel Dual Core 6400 Windows Vista Premium Nvidia 7600GT 2 Gig RAM
Larg Kellein	Posted - 2008.03.13 20:00:00 - [409] Edited by: Larg Kellein on 13/03/2008 20:00:45 Since you decided to nuke the perfectly fine 3 page thread asking for the return of the alt key showing moons and other celestials, as well as the bracket around your ship, here we go again: Can you guys please, please go one patch without breaking the directional scanner and the tools to use it? Moving the mouse to hell and back to do what you used to be able to do with one key press is not a UI improvement... The tabs and bracket settings in themselves are nice, but did they really require removing this valuable tool? Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Buyerr	Posted - 2008.03.13 20:01:00 - [410] two words: skill queuer!!! I declare war on stupidity
Amunherkhepeshef	Posted - 2008.03.13 20:01:00 - [411] I targeted and attempted armor repair on my sentry drone in space using a remote repper and got an "act of war" dialogue. Worked properly before...
Skittish	Posted - 2008.03.13 20:06:00 - [412] When trying to use a jump gate I will sometimes get a session change already in progress message, afterwards I am not able to activate any mods or right click in space and it will not let me jump into the system, I have talked to a few people who have had the same thing happen to them. Reloggin does not fix it.
GRiMsReAPeR	Posted - 2008.03.13 20:08:00 - [413] Originally by: Fehz Why doesn't CCP give isk rewards to people who contribute to beta testing? Like give them specific tasks to complete in beta testing, have a GM on sisi monitoring each person's progress, and give them isk on TQ? BRILLIANT IDEA!!!
Sma Zakalwe	Posted - 2008.03.13 20:08:00 - [414] Pre-patch game was perfectly playable, and I'd managed to stop it crashing; post-patch fps has dropped to stupidly low levels (single-digits outside stations). Kinda wishing I hadn't just subscribed - its now unplayable. (Using Mac client).
jna	Posted - 2008.03.13 20:11:00 - [415] I'm mostly a manufacturer/hauler/trader. And what I've seen so far is: A. It takes me longer to bring my freighter to a sufficiently low navigation speed due to increased velocity on undock B. The "random 0 to 15 degree" exit angle from undock means my freighter is frankly never going to be aligned to any instajump BMs I might have had, so these are now useless C. There's still a biblical moshpit outside 4-4 D. I'm going to have to find a painstaking new way of easily comparing my market quickbar with my wallet orders as I can no longer sort the quickbar alphabetically Even notwithstanding generalities like the already cluttered UI now being further cluttered with perfectly useless options (such as the new option to "Buy this skill" from your currently trained skills list), this patch has - for me - substantially slowed down everything I do in Eve, on some of the already slowest activities in the game (freighter hauling & updating market orders). /emote is a sad panda ------------------------------------------------- When Carebears Attack! <-- Hulk PvP video
CanalGoose	Posted - 2008.03.13 20:20:00 - [416] One other missed request?! I remember some1 asking about a log off feature for switching toons and low and behold someone tried to implement it except it doesn't bring you to the character selction screen, as quite a few ppl actually would have liked to have seen, it basically reboots your client just saving you from finding your short cut and manually starting the client again, still having to log in and then select the toon you want to play :(
Crux Australis	Posted - 2008.03.13 20:22:00 - [417] Edited by: Crux Australis on 13/03/2008 20:24:39 Originally by: Yoinx For the people that are having problems with the new patch or any other for that matter... Use the test server when the new builds hit it. Bug Report your errors. It's that simple. I can't imagine that if more people were doing this, that the builds would have as many bugs in them as they do now. The test server is a great tool that CCP offers it's players. They could just roll out patches and be like "SURPRISE. You won't be able to play now." The patch notes should come out earlier though imo. Also, the test server should be easier to setup and access... I don't care much for having to copy my eve folder everytime to install new patches (maybe i'm the only one with this problem). Btw CCP, Great work adapting to the situation and getting things back up. Yeah, like if the "ui windows run nekkid around the screen" bug, for one, hasn't been on sisi and reported ad-nauseam for weeks. Now, down to business, my pc locks up if I try to run 2 accounts with premium graphics on: - One client with premium graphics on -> smooth as silk, no problems - Two client with premium graphics on -> smooth but the pc crashes (and I have to manually reboot with power switch) in less than 5 minutes - Two clients with classic graphics on -> smooth as silk, no problems PC specs: Intel Dual Core 6700 2,66 GHz ATI Radeon x1950 512MB 2 GB DDR 400 XP Pro SP2 Drivers tested: ATI Catalyst (official releases) 7.1 - 7.6 - 7.8 - 7.11 - 8.3 Omega 4.8.442 (Catalyst 7.12) Additional (and sadly unhelpful) tests: - Onboard sound card disabled - VPU recover disabled - Tinkering with desktop/eve resolutions, card 3D options, EVE graphic options - Cache folders deleted - Fresh installation of EVE Bug report opened, meanwhile is anyone experiencing the same problem? If yes, any workaround? Originally by: Mynas Atoch The contract with BOB over Period Basis served us no further, so we tore it up and binned it.
blood start	Posted - 2008.03.13 20:33:00 - [418] I do have to say the following... I have been playing EVE Online for only a few weeks now. My entire time online consists of mining, learning, and purchasing new skills / ships / equipment / etc. The patch provided no new features that I need. The patch did not fix any problems that I had, as I had no problems. Most Critical - The patch has created a whole lot of "lost settings" and lots of other tiny annoyances that make the game a lot less enjoyable to play. Thanks Alot!
priestessofthemoon	Posted - 2008.03.13 20:37:00 - [419] Edited by: priestessofthemoon on 13/03/2008 20:39:06 Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.]i have my overview on the right and every time i dock and undock its jumped over to the left on top of all my other boxes why ?
CanalGoose	Posted - 2008.03.13 20:38:00 - [420] Originally by: Kayleigh Lothian Edited by: Kayleigh Lothian on 13/03/2008 10:57:59 Originally by: Cerea Gleeve The 1152x864 screen resolution is gone!? I still have it on my 'puter, and the 1024x768. I remembered reading that 1280 should be the lowest res and would l ;) Did I miss something here, 'cause I don't wanna have to buy a new monitor just so I can continue playing EVE on this 15" LCD 1024x768 is as high as it goes.
Akane Kolkoieshi	Posted - 2008.03.13 20:40:00 - [421] Well, I have skimmed through this topic and still found nothing about my problem. It has nothing to do with the application itself but I believe it was created by the patch. PROBLEM: When I try to download the .cvs file for my corp's wallet transactions I get the following error page: Server Error in '/' Application. The resource cannot be found. Description: HTTP 404. The resource you are looking for (or one of its dependencies) could have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable. Please review the following URL and make sure that it is spelled correctly. Requested URL: /corp/WalletTransactions.csv.aspx Accounting may not seem as fun as PVP but still has to be done and the more the file is unreachable, the more paperwork gets piled up. If this is not the proper place to inquire about this, I'd appreciate some1 poiting in the right direction. AK
Dr Caligo	Posted - 2008.03.13 20:40:00 - [422] Originally by: Emerald Cortess Give us the 'alt'-key for the brackets back! sheesh I didn't notice this was missing yet... yes pleeeease put this back on...
EvilSpork	Posted - 2008.03.13 20:46:00 - [423] Originally by: Trist Ian This is a suggestion for open fleet Is it possible to make it so we can customize the open fleet invitation For example Fleet "Invitation for roaming gang(Alliance)" That way there can be multiple links in an intel channel. And people can easily tell what gang they want/need to join. this would make this new feature really brilliant. please do this. =) Originally by: Trist Ian Alt-Tab Problem When ever I Alt tab. Eve doesn't really want to open back up for me. And when it does open back up. All of the station buttons have no names.(they are just blank boxes with the logo) And the same thing happens with the channels. this needs to be fixed IMMEDIATELY. for people like myself that run two accounts and clients on one computer, this is devistating!! i use a logistics alt and my main to run missions and complexes etc. if i warp in to a room and get aggro and then i cant get my alt or my main to open up im screwed! this issue was around 2 patches ago and was quite bad, the last patch fixed it mostly, and now its back worse than ever! please please please fix this!!!!!!!!! http://enelaise.com/signatures/Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.[/url]
Kristoffer	Posted - 2008.03.13 20:47:00 - [424] FPS has dropped to the point of unplayability. Before patch, 50 FPS outside a station, now, 12 - 14.
SonOfAGhost	Posted - 2008.03.13 20:50:00 - [425] Dear CCP, Please move the LOAD button on the wallet screens back beside the filter fields/drop-downs where it was before. Then make the person that moved it to the extreme right side of the window buy the person that fixes it a beverage of their choice. Originally by: CCP Explorer This is intended, to not clutter the overview with information that new players don't need in their first few hours. (on stargates not being on overview)
Zimmerious	Posted - 2008.03.13 20:54:00 - [426] FPS is complete crap for me after patch. Seems like a common problem.....
Vync	Posted - 2008.03.13 20:55:00 - [427] CCP, you cannot release a single patch without ******* up, can you? the good thing is, CCP is a very predictable company. years have shown us that a) it ALWAYS takes ridiculously long to deploy even the simplest of patches b) no patch deployment EVER goes smoothly c) no patch downtime EVER lasts as long as we were promised. there are always 'unexpected' glitches, problems and errors. d) every time you promise to fix the lag, and every time it only gets worse e) patches usually introduce a LOT more bugs than they fix f) your QA and testing teams SUCK. feel free to expand that list if I have missed something
Hertford	Posted - 2008.03.13 20:56:00 - [428] Restore the original functionality of the ALT key. Oh, and fix the damn camera and self-brackets so they're aligned properly for directional scanning.
Shadow Joy	Posted - 2008.03.13 20:59:00 - [429] Originally by: Yoinx For the people that are having problems with the new patch or any other for that matter... Use the test server when the new builds hit it. Bug Report your errors. It's that simple. I can't imagine that if more people were doing this, that the builds would have as many bugs in them as they do now. The test server is a great tool that CCP offers it's players. They could just roll out patches and be like "SURPRISE. You won't be able to play now." The patch notes should come out earlier though imo. Also, the test server should be easier to setup and access... I don't care much for having to copy my eve folder everytime to install new patches (maybe i'm the only one with this problem). Btw CCP, Great work adapting to the situation and getting things back up. There is this new-fangled concept in software development, it's called QA. Brilliant in its simplicity, it involves paying people who know how to test software to verify your product is working properly. What you suggest is that I, a customer who pays to play a game, should take a paying job from these hard working professionals. Worse, you are saying that I should pay someone else for the privilege of testing their product and writing up bugs. I'm not that masochistic.
Birdis	Posted - 2008.03.13 21:01:00 - [430] FPS sucks I cant really do anything more exciting than mining.....
Karina Bellac	Posted - 2008.03.13 21:02:00 - [431] Originally by: Yoinx For the people that are having problems with the new patch or any other for that matter... Use the test server when the new builds hit it. Bug Report your errors. It's that simple. I can't imagine that if more people were doing this, that the builds would have as many bugs in them as they do now. The test server is a great tool that CCP offers it's players. They could just roll out patches and be like "SURPRISE. You won't be able to play now." The patch notes should come out earlier though imo. Also, the test server should be easier to setup and access... I don't care much for having to copy my eve folder everytime to install new patches (maybe i'm the only one with this problem). Btw CCP, Great work adapting to the situation and getting things back up. Certainly. Who do I contact to arrange contract details on doing the QA work?
Kedo	Posted - 2008.03.13 21:04:00 - [432] OK what is going on with the lag???? Seriously, It is taking me a full 60 seconds to undock just sitting here with a black screen. Convo's take 30 seconds to load thier portrait....
Sib Makern	Posted - 2008.03.13 21:05:00 - [433] For those of you missing their in-game browser book marks, they are not gone, simply not carried over to the new folder structure. Old structure: C:\Documents and Settings\%localuser%\Local Settings\Application Data\CCP\EVE\cache\browser New structure: C:\Documents and Settings\%localuser%\Local Settings\Application Data\CCP\EVE\c_program_files_ccp_eve_tranquility\cache\Browser The file in question is called "bookmarksSites.txt". Simply copy then paste the file from the original browser folder to the new one. As I had many painstakingly collected sites on my browser, I was daunted at the task of having to go out and find them again. Now that I know where they are, I am backing up this small file as needed before another patch removes it entirely. Hope this eases the pain for some of you! Sib
weedmasta	Posted - 2008.03.13 21:10:00 - [434] Client still can't find tranqulity. Downloaded full version and going to try again... ___________________________________ Shuuuun, shuuuun the smacktalkers. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Silver Serephynn	Posted - 2008.03.13 21:12:00 - [435] Originally by: Karina Bellac Originally by: Yoinx For the people that are having problems with the new patch or any other for that matter... Use the test server when the new builds hit it. Bug Report your errors. It's that simple. I can't imagine that if more people were doing this, that the builds would have as many bugs in them as they do now. The test server is a great tool that CCP offers it's players. They could just roll out patches and be like "SURPRISE. You won't be able to play now." The patch notes should come out earlier though imo. Also, the test server should be easier to setup and access... I don't care much for having to copy my eve folder everytime to install new patches (maybe i'm the only one with this problem). Btw CCP, Great work adapting to the situation and getting things back up. Certainly. Who do I contact to arrange contract details on doing the QA work? QFT. It really burns me up when CCP screws up THIS badly, (yet AGAIN) and then they (and others) act like it it's the PLAYERS' fault things are such a mess. I mean REALLY, who is PAYING who to run WHICH game?!? Jeeze, CCP, do you damned job and get it right for once! Oh, and enough with the nerfbat already.
weedmasta	Posted - 2008.03.13 21:12:00 - [436] Using classic client, downloaded and reinstalled full version, client still says Tranquility status unkown. My internet is working fine. Someone please help... ___________________________________ Shuuuun, shuuuun the smacktalkers. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
JanSVK	Posted - 2008.03.13 21:15:00 - [437] Why did the Raptor got nerfed? + 1 turret slot is nice but I dont think needed and I think ppl would be much more happier about more power than more turret slots whitch with the current layout you can't use without fitting mods anyway. Now you simply got to much CPU and to low power on the Raptor. Turrets require more power than missles so it would be logical to reduce the cpu and leave or even boost the power if you turning the ship into a gun boat. So I just would like to know why. thx.
Barbicane	Posted - 2008.03.13 21:21:00 - [438] The good: I love the way my jump freighter moves now! The bad: The Market quick-bar is badly screwed up. Adding new items sometimes overwrites old items. I couldn't put more than 4 items into a folder as adding a fifth would overwrite one of the others. And the sorting of items is done according to some scheme I have yet to figure out.
Romandra	Posted - 2008.03.13 21:24:00 - [439] Edited by: Romandra on 13/03/2008 21:25:44 I'm curious about why some modules got nerfed. I remember reading that this patch "will not contain a single nerf", yet the faction passive shield resist amps all got nerfed. Ex., DG magnetic scattering amp used to give 40%, now its 37.5%, same at t2. Also, Pithum C-type Magnetic Scattering Amplifier is now BETTER than the B-Type! They both give 39% resist, but the C-Type uses LESS cpu than the B-Type does... what sense does that make? I'm sure these aren't the only modules to get nerfed.. is this an accident? perhaps the tables got shifted somehow?
Damon Runyon	Posted - 2008.03.13 21:36:00 - [440] Client corrupted by patch. Reinstalling full build
Maugrim McFiriba	Posted - 2008.03.13 21:37:00 - [441] Just to reiterate previous mentions. After trying to enter the game I keep getting stuck at the Entering game as *** dialogue. It simply will not progress from there. As bad, when it did work once it struck again after undocking! I'm hoping this is a load issue given all the GMT players no doubt logging in right now and downloading the patch. I can survive another day without Eve Online even if 2 of my paid-for 30 days is mysteriously vanished from my control. Patches are like that... No other issues to report until I can actually enter the game and see space :). Maugrim McFiriba Blog: http://www.adventureineve.com
Wurschtsupp	Posted - 2008.03.13 21:38:00 - [442] fps broke down to 12 when leaving station, and fps = 8 when fighting against rats! Now we have Jita everywhere in the universe. Great job!!!
Barbicane	Posted - 2008.03.13 21:41:00 - [443] Originally by: Maugrim McFiriba Just to reiterate previous mentions. After trying to enter the game I keep getting stuck at the Entering game as *** dialogue. It simply will not progress from there. That's what happens to me when I try to login my Jita alt. After a while it seems to time out and return to the login screen. I did log in the Jita alt successfully earlier today when the server was less busy, so hopefully it's just an overload issue which will resolve itself eventually. Did you try your other alts?
paleiades	Posted - 2008.03.13 21:49:00 - [444] judging by the posts already in this thread it appears that happy days are here again, courtesy of CCP and their 'eagerly anticipated' remediation patch. ROLL UP, ROLL UP - time once more to vote for your CCP Favourite Numb Nuts of the Month Award. seems to me CCP are making the screwing up of eve a regular aspect of their patches. as the ol' saying goes "BS Baffles Brains" - no nerfs? yea, right CCP; keep 'em coming!
Karina Bellac	Posted - 2008.03.13 21:52:00 - [445] Originally by: paleiades ROLL UP, ROLL UP - time once more to vote for your CCP Favourite Numb Nuts of the Month Award. This will be impossible to judge. This is going to go right down to the wire, the competition is that tough. Can Zulupark build upon his history of cluelessness, or will one of the fresher faces involved in game design come to the fore and win? Tune in next week.
Scilent Enigma	Posted - 2008.03.13 21:53:00 - [446] More issues, The default tab in overview seems to pick at random which overview settings to use, doesn't accept a change if you set it and switch tab and go back to the default one. A way to delete it would be much appreciated. Client is a lot more resource heavy (classic) now, memory leaks? Alt key does nothing, this is the whole "small system overview in the scanner window" issue all over again, a change of a much used and loved feature. A change which retracts from the gaming experience, has no point and ultimately takes fun away from the game. Bracket sorting? Whatever, if it means Alt key stops working then No thanks. Making these very intrusive changes and function trade offs to the default behavior of the client and not adding user settable options to remove these changes is lousy design at best. A little hint: Every new feature added should be de-selectable by the user (I applaud the welcoming screen implementation), don't implement these half baked features as standard and impossible to change features. Forcing your user base to use the bug ridden features is probably the worst thing you can do. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Sexiest Beast	Posted - 2008.03.13 21:54:00 - [447] Not sure if this belongs here but theres a kinda critical bug. If you have an active trade window with items in and both players log. Then whatever is in the trade window will vanish.
Valasaria	Posted - 2008.03.13 21:55:00 - [448] Post Patch Thoughts: #1. CCP, do WHATEVER you have to to improve Q&A. Because, what you have been doing for the past 5 years is NOT working. I know you guys are slow to learn/change, but surely 5 years of the players paying for your stubborness is enough. #2. Stop adding so many new things that don't work. New things are uber cool, but if you don't QA them properly, and they don't work, what good are they? Focus on fixing the last bunch of stuff you broke before moving on to new stuff to break. Please. #3. The shield and armor nerf. Of all the legions of bad ideas you have had over the years, this one is the worst. How this made it live after it was HEAVILY voted against by the player base is a prime example of how the (balancing) devs have become totally corrupt, involved with their own egos, and completely out of touch with the players. Put it back if you want to keep accounts. Period. #4. Fix the alt key. Why was this changed in the first place? Another in a long line of stuff out of the dev department that doesn't make any sense. #5. Focus on giving full compatability with all of the OSes you CLAIM to support before going on game breaking sprees like this one. #6. Changes, balances, nerfs, whatever you want to call them; they should take AS (or near as) long to implement in game as it does to train to adapt to their use. I.E. If it takes two years to train a race to fly it well, that is how long major nerfs (like game wide resistance changes) should be in testing before they go live. If WE have to train it, YOU should have to test it. Period. Yes, that leads to a much less changing, more STABLE playing experience; which is kind of my whole point. Change IS good. It keeps the game fresh. But, too MANY changes, TOO drastically made, and TOO rapidly implemented, is only good for the people charging for the long trains needed to adapt. It's the simple truth. On a comment to all of the people that keep saying the resist nerf is a damage boost, all I can say is you have it backwards. If something goes DOWN on the ship you are flying, that only helps someone shooting at you kill you faster, then yeah, you have been NERFED. The guy shooting at you has NOT been "boosted". He is doing the same amount of damage he always has. YOU just can't tank it as long. So the tanks HAVE been nerfed. Damage has NOT been boosted. Hence, it is a GIANT nerf that CCP is trying to get all of us to swollow as a "boost". (/sarcasm on) After all, remember good little children, we don't have to THINK, CCP is there to tell us what is black and what is white in spite of what our eyes might tell us. (/sarcasm off) Last comment on the resistance nerf: Even if we were to buy into the line that the "balanceing" devs are selling that the resist nerfs ARE a damage boost, they forgot about a major issue (as usual). What about the mission runners? You know, half your player base, the PvEers, remember them? Explain how the player's resistances going down, and the NPCs resistances staying the same, or even going up in some cases, is a damage "boost" for the player. Go ahead, explain it. Can't do it, can you? Didn't think so. FIX the game CCP, stop BREAKING it. Peace.
Nhaz	Posted - 2008.03.13 22:06:00 - [449] Im sure you guys were looking to improve the overview functionality. As its possible that this was overlooked. The removal of the "alt" key to bring up brackets of all major objects in space instantly, has removed the ability to scan down people and objects such as towers quickly and efficiently. At this time I am told theres a way to get it working in the overview but my take on this is switching between tabs is Much slower then just holding down the alt key and Instantly with no tab lag see the objects in space. example. hostile interceptor uncloaks and pretty much insta warps to a cluster with 20 moons and 5 belts in it, but right beside it just outside of 5 degrees there are 4 other clusters. With the holding down of the tab key you were able to instantly see the bracket for your ship which you brought into alignment with the cluster at 5 Degree's. You knew right away that the inty was or wasn't going to that cluster. Now with the tab to be clicked with no bracket around your ship by the time you have gotten everything kinda aligned the inty is gone. Or, you are now reading them anywhere up to 30 degrees off angle and you are unable to determine which of those 4 clusters he might be in. All in all i believe that the Alt key should be returned to its former function. seeing that it was not broken and was extreamly useful. _____________________________________________ It's NOT paranoia, If they REALLY ARE out to get you!
Inspiration	Posted - 2008.03.13 22:08:00 - [450] From the patch notes: "It is now possible to allow people to invite themselves to your fleet. The fleet boss can put the fleet into self-invite mode for his corporation or alliance. Anyone in the fleet will then be able to right click on his entry in a chat window to post the invitation into that channel. This feature is very convenient to quickly set up fleets." This just doesn't work. Yes I can set the fleet open to self invite for corp members. But then it's a dead end, no way (and I tried for 30 minutes) is it possible for a corp member to self invite himself to an existing fleet (which is the purpose of it all). The patch notes description doesn't make ANY sense after the part that stated that you can set an fleet to self invite. Problems with the text: 1. How on earth can you self invite yourself to a fleet when you have to be in that fleet already to do so? 2. How does right clicking on yourself to get an invitation message for yourself to click on accomplish anything? What madman thought this out? Is it broken, is the text false, and if so, what is it supposed to be? The problem is that now 'auto reject invites' also rejects fleet invites where before it did not. This forces people to use this feature so they cannot be 'chat invite' exploited during battle (assuming they are already in a fleet and fleet invites will thus bounce off). Problem is getting into the fleet with an obviously complicated non understandable mechanismn which could just have been implemented by two mouse click from the boss (as is now) and any other member (corp/alliance) that wishes to join. To make matters worse, two coporations not together in an alliance will find it implossible to be both protected from invite exploits and be able to form a fleet in the 1st place. For this idea to work, you need: 1. To re-enable fleet invites when 'auto reject invitations is on' and/or 2. Add a 3rd option, that allows members with a positive standing (or variations thereof) to join. And of cource make the self invite feature work in the first place to begin with! Any constructive feedback is welcome!
Cori4n	Posted - 2008.03.13 22:12:00 - [451] Originally by: Inspiration From the patch notes: "It is now possible to allow people to invite themselves to your fleet. The fleet boss can put the fleet into self-invite mode for his corporation or alliance. Anyone in the fleet will then be able to right click on his entry in a chat window to post the invitation into that channel. This feature is very convenient to quickly set up fleets." This just doesn't work. Yes I can set the fleet open to self invite for corp members. But then it's a dead end, no way (and I tried for 30 minutes) is it possible for a corp member to self invite himself to an existing fleet (which is the purpose of it all). The patch notes description doesn't make ANY sense after the part that stated that you can set an fleet to self invite. You have to have someone in the fleet right click on his own name in the chat channel and choose an option that will send a link to that channel. When someone else in the channel clicks the link he will join the fleet. (haven't actually logged into eve since the patch but someone posted that somewhere)
TLani	Posted - 2008.03.13 22:14:00 - [452] Still no evemon! Whats the deal here? How hard can it be? Can we please do whatever is needed to get this back up?
Viral Shadow	Posted - 2008.03.13 22:24:00 - [453] i am not sure if its been posted yet but the drone window ingame keeps going back to the original position after every sessionchange and its pretty annoying as i tend to use a different layout if it could be looked at i would really appreciate that
Viral Shadow	Posted - 2008.03.13 22:25:00 - [454] Originally by: TLani Still no evemon! Whats the deal here? How hard can it be? Can we please do whatever is needed to get this back up? API is disabled till tomorrow read the bews next time
Inspiration	Posted - 2008.03.13 22:29:00 - [455] Edited by: Inspiration on 13/03/2008 22:30:00 Originally by: Cori4n Originally by: Inspiration From the patch notes: "It is now possible to allow people to invite themselves to your fleet. The fleet boss can put the fleet into self-invite mode for his corporation or alliance. Anyone in the fleet will then be able to right click on his entry in a chat window to post the invitation into that channel. This feature is very convenient to quickly set up fleets." This just doesn't work. Yes I can set the fleet open to self invite for corp members. But then it's a dead end, no way (and I tried for 30 minutes) is it possible for a corp member to self invite himself to an existing fleet (which is the purpose of it all). The patch notes description doesn't make ANY sense after the part that stated that you can set an fleet to self invite. You have to have someone in the fleet right click on his own name in the chat channel and choose an option that will send a link to that channel. When someone else in the channel clicks the link he will join the fleet. (haven't actually logged into eve since the patch but someone posted that somewhere) Ok, that makes more sense to me. But that still keeps the problem there of self invite not being usable between friendly corps that hang out together without having the ties that an alliance has. Also does not really cover the expectations that the 'self invite' raises. It's more like a open invite witch an acknowledge from members that are in same chat channel to start with. Personally I expected to log on, press a button and be in a fleet if there was one active. And if multiple were, an option to pick one. This feature does not seem to offer anything for slowly growing gangs as one of the members will still have to re-broadcast the invite in a channel for new logged on players to also come in.
Kerfira	Posted - 2008.03.13 22:45:00 - [456] Edited by: Kerfira on 13/03/2008 22:48:34 Tbh, I think everyone knowing anything about proper software development processes who read the reason for the one day postponement (needing more testing) knew this was going to end badly with lots of untested software and features. If you on the day of deployment suddenly realise you need more testing, you just DON'T need 'just one more day'. It just doesn't happen! If this patch had been properly developed and tested, a few WEEKS before planned launch a release candidate with a frozen feature set would have been on Sisi to test. It would then have gone through one or more test cycles before being proclaimed ready for release. Instead, it seems like new fixes were added up to the last moment, which is a sure recipe for disaster. CCP really should get some software PROCESS professionals to look over how they develop their game, because what they're doing now seems to be software hacking, not software development. Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Tom Joness	Posted - 2008.03.13 22:46:00 - [457] Originally by: Einor Deminre Hope this issue gets sorted, because the game is unplayable for me! Your playing the game with what is essentially a Celeron processor. Im suprised you actually got the 45 fps you claim to have gotten.
Tanhar	Posted - 2008.03.13 23:00:00 - [458] Probably I was amongst those lucky ones... yay, my settings were intact. Nevertheless, it seems that patch was released in half-ready state at best. Not speaking about various issues, just want to say that new overview, while "thought-to-be-nice" is horribly unintuitive and apparently buggy. For example, by default it was that you see drones in space, but not in overview. That is gone, no drones at all. Seems I found a way to restore this, but it is so cumbersome... While mission now is cluttered with brackets for walls, lookout towers, you name it, and I still have not found a way to remove them from space view. And - I understand, CCP was busy adding all those half-finished features, but damn it, did they have not found a few minutes to remove veldspar from "default" overview ? That glitch stays from Trinity ...
Cori4n	Posted - 2008.03.13 23:09:00 - [459] Originally by: Inspiration Ok, that makes more sense to me. But that still keeps the problem there of self invite not being usable between friendly corps that hang out together without having the ties that an alliance has. This is a problem but... Quote: Also does not really cover the expectations that the 'self invite' raises. It's more like a open invite witch an acknowledge from members that are in same chat channel to start with. Personally I expected to log on, press a button and be in a fleet if there was one active. And if multiple were, an option to pick one. This feature does not seem to offer anything for slowly growing gangs as one of the members will still have to re-broadcast the invite in a channel for new logged on players to also come in. This isn't, because I fully expect someone to make an IGB app for this or I'll do it myself
Darkeen	Posted - 2008.03.13 23:14:00 - [460] HinAll, Finally managed to get Evemon running under Linux and what happens? The EVE API Servers are down for days. Bad enough I couldnt keep the character training skills that I had bought 32 books for. Now I cant even log in to get him to keep training them. One hour downtime for patch takes a day and a half (2 days maybe) and then with only limited functionality... And they take the API servers down. How are people going to talk on their corp messageboards without API authentication? Way to go to encourgae new users... NO wonder old people eventually give up on Eve - they get frustrated by the days (and longer by the tone of the posts here) that it takes it implement and fix the problems in "Upgrades". I suppose the question is: What other Space based MMORPG's are out there for us to turn to? Regards, Jason Brisbane
Lelouche	Posted - 2008.03.14 00:04:00 - [461] Things are working well for me, I like the undocking. But it reminds me someone should really fix the spelling of "fullfilling" on the Pleasure Hubs...
Milton Smythe	Posted - 2008.03.14 00:26:00 - [462] Hey there. I have had a few odd things happen today. Most importantly I have had EvE kill off Windows two times today. One of the times I was with a friend of mine and he had the same thing happen to him at the exact same time. The other I was flying alone out of a fleet. I get a blue screen with a message that Windows has shut down to prevent damage to the machine. It is a pretty scary screen and I have never seen it before today. It requires me to restart the machine. Of course this makes me a bit wary about combat and missions and the like. Sometimes when I jump to a new system the ship will warp off a short distance to nowhere in particular when I exit on the other side. that has happened only twice today , mind. Lastly I have noticed that all the character portaits are gone and Some portraits come back naked when I click on them... that is what I was doing the second time I got blue screen in space. The critical failure bit concerns me , but the pictures and needing to go through my settings is a minor thing. Some of it seems to have survived and some it has not. But those blue screens has just happened today .. the day after the patch. and once on two different people in different towns at the same time. My friend had never seen that problem till today either. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Tareen Kashaar	Posted - 2008.03.14 00:32:00 - [463] Edited by: Tareen Kashaar on 14/03/2008 00:32:18 There are numerous UI issues currently: 1. Overview addon windows - drones, fleet, broadcasts - reset to their default positions every time you undock. 2. Snapped windows, when restoring them after having been minimized, potentially push those windows that were snapped above them off the top boundary of the screen, leaving no option to move, pin/unpin or close those windows. 2. Overview state filters still only work according to programmer logic, but not usability logic - you know, taking out neutrals and -10s to only show wartargets, etc. What do I mean? If I check "Pilot is at war with you", I expect it to show pilots at war with me. I don't expect it to hide everything I uncheck, I expect it to show everything I check. In the same vain, if I take neutrals off my overview, I expect to still be able to have stargates on my overview. Either way, a simple option for prioritization would fix this - just let us order the hierarchy of state checks, like you do with appearance. 3. Overview tabs are a great idea, but as it stands, very poorly implemented. - You are limited to 6 tabs. - Loading a new setting in one tab via the little triangle menu, switching to a different tab and switching back to the previous tab resets its overview setting [for reference: "overview setting" as used here = saved set of filters and states] to the one that is set as its default. - Loading any kind of overview setting into the default tab, switching to a different tab and switching back to the default tab resets the default tabs overview setting to whatever you last manually configured; i.e. whatever you last edited in your overview settings window. Read: It is not possible to load a new "default" into the default tab, neither through use of the triangle menu, nor through configuring a default in the overview settings window. - The default tab cannot be renamed 4. Window stacks still reset their pinned/unpinned state when new windows open within them, for example: when joining a fleet, fleet chat pops up in a pinned chat window stack, that window stack is unpinned. Same with other windows. Seriously, after trying to get these tabs working properly for an hour or so, I'm in a really bad mood now. You should really consider hiring a proper interface designer. Less bree, more wrok, please. ____________ http://www.jericho-fraction.net Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.[/url]
Nyabinghi	Posted - 2008.03.14 00:38:00 - [464] New glitch: Icons have disappeared from overview. Thus I cannot see the highlighted gate in my overview to know where to warp to next when on a set course. *** Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
Seviere	Posted - 2008.03.14 00:54:00 - [465] Originally by: Tareen Kashaar ... You should really consider hiring a proper interface designer. Less bree, more wrok, please. Can't be close to the truth than this! And give us the Alt back. Alt back! Alt back! Alt back! Alt back! Alt back! Alt back! Alt back! Alt back! Alt back! Alt back! Alt back! Alt back! Alt back!
Emerac	Posted - 2008.03.14 00:59:00 - [466] Originally by: JP Goodwin When I tried to patch to 51200 the patcher decided the CRC on one of my installed files was bad and told me to reinstall, and left me in a horked state. So after spending an hour downloading the full premium 51200 setup, I ran that, and it failed the verification. Now that was really annoying. So I'm presently trying to install the full install I had before, 45943, in the hope that I can then patch that to 51200. Anyone else having similar problems? yep - same CRC error here, tried original installer but that not working either so facing a 600mb odd download before I can find out what else isn't working anymore...
De Cairo	Posted - 2008.03.14 01:04:00 - [467] Most people on forums are stupid, the rest think they are clever but by posting on forums they themselves are stupid. Patch = fail, CCP = fail, EvE = borderline fail. All it's gonna take is one more stupid patch and EvE goes under cough SWG cough. That's what happens when little boys play with big boy's toys. Meh
VicturusTeSaluto	Posted - 2008.03.14 01:16:00 - [468] Originally by: Yoinx For the people that are having problems with the new patch or any other for that matter... Use the test server when the new builds hit it. Bug Report your errors. It's that simple. I already pay for EVE, I am not QA staff. I would love a job with CCP testing EVE, but unless and until they want to hire me that is clearly not my responsibility to test their game. And why even go on sisi when TQ is practically a release candidate server?
Jack Creme	Posted - 2008.03.14 01:30:00 - [469] What Tareen Kashaar said a few posts above, says it all for me... AND all the messing around with the windows, regular ctds again and a really nasty white screen has made me very grumpy....
Esmenet	Posted - 2008.03.14 01:32:00 - [470] Originally by: De Cairo Most people on forums are stupid, the rest think they are clever but by posting on forums they themselves are stupid. Patch = fail, CCP = fail, EvE = borderline fail. All it's gonna take is one more stupid patch and EvE goes under cough SWG cough. That's what happens when little boys play with big boy's toys. Wow what an amazing and informative post. I've never read such divine intelligence before. Except ofcourse on every patch thread on every mmorpg i have ever played. Go doomsayers!
Tia Tzu	Posted - 2008.03.14 01:34:00 - [471] These problems happen every time there is any kind of patch. I don't see why you would try and spin this occasion as being any different. Just grow a pair and post more realistic assessments for the amount of downtime in the future. "It could be sorted by tomorrow afternoon or maybe tonight" Just doesn't cut it I'm afraid..
Drakkar Schlagge	Posted - 2008.03.14 01:45:00 - [472] Eve is now sucking down my cpu, when the eve window is actively clicked cpu goes to 100%. When I click on another window making it active, cpu drops down to 45 - 50% depending on what is happening in eve. While warping into an asteroid field it goes from 45 to about 75% then drops back down to 45% after the warp has been completed. The following are frame rates I have been getting: eve active window - 50 to 100 fps with 100% cpu usage eve not active window - 30 to 50 fps with 45 to 50% cpu usage eve docked in station - 140 to 150 fps with 100% cpu usage Before this patch eve didn't always have 100% cpu usage while the window was active. AMD Athlon 64 3700+ 2.41ghz, 1gb of RAM Radeon X850 Windows XP SP2
Spumantii	Posted - 2008.03.14 02:06:00 - [473] Less than impressed but I expected as much. Yet again CCP uses it's customers as beta testers. I no longer have any bookmarks to places I frequent or my collection of exploration site markings. No more safe spots, and no more overview settings. The standard faliure to deploy properly, poor response time, and lack of QA is hurting you. I know of more people who find this program a ***** than those who still enjoy playing with all of these stupid issues. It seems mission running is not important enough for ccp to get right the first time. Scripting some simple npc spawns can't be so difficult can it? You claim so many accolades being a popular 'game' so act like a popular game company and hire some QA, and take the time to inform your users. As a fellow developer I'm disgusted to come home from work and deal with stupid problems when all I want to do is play. I deal with enough stupid issues with computers at work. Fail.
Maulith	Posted - 2008.03.14 02:39:00 - [474] Im running 2 clients at once (always have with no problems), now alt tabbing causes it to freeze when im switching between the two accounts but task manager says there both running. I have to quit both eve clients through the task manager. All my IGB bookmarks were deleted Creating a new tab in the overview is like rocket science.
NetMage	Posted - 2008.03.14 04:23:00 - [475] Edited by: NetMage on 14/03/2008 04:23:19 "Boost Patch" = stupidest name ever It is easy to find where professional IT has made mistakes and failures, it is not so easy to see where they fail every time... unless you play Eve.
Gallen Wolf	Posted - 2008.03.14 04:48:00 - [476] Originally by: Dr Caligo Edited by: Dr Caligo on 13/03/2008 18:48:11 K well I started a thread Linkage about taking a fps hit after the patch but then it got locked. So I'm following the mods instructions and putting this discussion in this thread. My fps have dropped a decent amount post patch, anyone else? I would like to add I'm definitely experiencing a definite FPS drop. I do not have hard numbers, just can feel that even rotating ship in space is just jerkier. This is on a laptop with a 7400 geforce. GW
Epideme	Posted - 2008.03.14 04:56:00 - [477] Originally by: Spumantii Less than impressed but I expected as much. Yet again CCP uses it's customers as beta testers. I no longer have any bookmarks to places I frequent or my collection of exploration site markings. No more safe spots, and no more overview settings. The standard faliure to deploy properly, poor response time, and lack of QA is hurting you. I know of more people who find this program a ***** than those who still enjoy playing with all of these stupid issues. It seems mission running is not important enough for ccp to get right the first time. Scripting some simple npc spawns can't be so difficult can it? You claim so many accolades being a popular 'game' so act like a popular game company and hire some QA, and take the time to inform your users. As a fellow developer I'm disgusted to come home from work and deal with stupid problems when all I want to do is play. I deal with enough stupid issues with computers at work. Fail. Only problems here were the loss of ingame browser bm's and the pain in the ass of the Alt key function....perhaps it's not as widespread as you seem to believe.
OzakiFragments	Posted - 2008.03.14 05:27:00 - [478] Originally by: Epideme Originally by: Spumantii Less than impressed but I expected as much. Yet again CCP uses it's customers as beta testers. I no longer have any bookmarks to places I frequent or my collection of exploration site markings. No more safe spots, and no more overview settings. The standard faliure to deploy properly, poor response time, and lack of QA is hurting you. I know of more people who find this program a ***** than those who still enjoy playing with all of these stupid issues. It seems mission running is not important enough for ccp to get right the first time. Scripting some simple npc spawns can't be so difficult can it? You claim so many accolades being a popular 'game' so act like a popular game company and hire some QA, and take the time to inform your users. As a fellow developer I'm disgusted to come home from work and deal with stupid problems when all I want to do is play. I deal with enough stupid issues with computers at work. Fail. Only problems here were the loss of ingame browser bm's and the pain in the ass of the Alt key function....perhaps it's not as widespread as you seem to believe. There are other things that are messed up, overview/drone windows reseting, new tab feature not working like they're supposed to, market filters not working, etc etc.
UGINSECOND	Posted - 2008.03.14 06:13:00 - [479] Hmm, after Ctrl-Q - all stunned - only Rezet can help. Tryed 2 times - same problem...
Einor Deminre	Posted - 2008.03.14 06:22:00 - [480] Originally by: Einor Deminre Yup, same issue here :( I tried to do a lvl 4 (Mordus Headhunters) and my FPS reached an all time low of 4! four fPS! I know I'm not running anything near top end, but I've never had client lags, this was in a system with 10people in local. ------------------ System Information ------------------ Time of this report: 3/13/2008, 19:53:10 Machine name: Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 2 Language: Danish (Regional Setting: Danish) System Manufacturer: K8N4V System Model: K8NF4G-VSTA BIOS: Default System BIOS Processor: AMD Sempron(tm) Processor 3000+, MMX, 3DNow, ~1.8GHz Memory: 2048MB RAM Page File: 340MB used, 3599MB available Windows Dir: C:\WINDOWS DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904) DX Setup Parameters: Not found DxDiag Version: 5.03.2600.2180 32bit Unicode --------------- Display Devices --------------- Card name: ATI Radeon HD 2600 XT Manufacturer: ATI Technologies Inc. Chip type: ATI Radeon Graphics Processor (0x9588) DAC type: Internal DAC(400MHz) Display Memory: 512.0 MB Current Mode: 1280 x 1024 (32 bit) (60Hz) Monitor: Plug and Play-skµrm Monitor Max Res: 1600,1200 Driver Name: ati2dvag.dll Driver Version: 6.14.0010.6755 (English) DDI Version: 9 (or higher) Before patch I was at 45-25 FPS, now after patch with the same game settings I'm getting HUGE spikes in FPS when in station anyhwhere between 55 and 10. Depending on angle and lighting. When doing the mission I had 25 FPS at jump in gate, 20 FPS at first pocket and 4! FPS at the last (some 30 ships there i guess). Hope this issue gets sorted, because the game is unplayable for me! Tried installing latest Catalyst drivers, DirectX and cleared my Cache and Settings folder (Copied my old one to save bookmarks and such). STill having FPS drop. Tried tweaking it, both from Catalyst and Ingame settings, got it to a stable 80FPS while in station, 30 FPS while flying around, but it still drops to below 10 when running a mission.... Its not a local hardware problem, theres some terrible coding when engaging NPC's.
Damned Force	Posted - 2008.03.14 06:58:00 - [481] Originally by: Romandra Edited by: Romandra on 13/03/2008 21:25:44 I'm curious about why some modules got nerfed. I remember reading that this patch "will not contain a single nerf", yet the faction passive shield resist amps all got nerfed. Ex., DG magnetic scattering amp used to give 40%, now its 37.5%, same at t2. Also, Pithum C-type Magnetic Scattering Amplifier is now BETTER than the B-Type! They both give 39% resist, but the C-Type uses LESS cpu than the B-Type does... what sense does that make? I'm sure these aren't the only modules to get nerfed.. is this an accident? perhaps the tables got shifted somehow? cmon, u asking why???? because devs are liars. they telling ** about patch, they telling ** about bugs....they simply and they extreme stupid... they told us they need nerf armor res for amarr, because bad dps on armor tank and because armor tank is much more used in pvp. Stupid idea..... if they in same time nerf shield res and than shield res modules too.... Maybe amarr get a little bit extra dps, but minmatar get even more and the shield tank would even less used in pvp.... stupid stupid stupid
Scarpia Dona	Posted - 2008.03.14 06:59:00 - [482] Pressing the alt button to show items in space desperately needs to come back.
Damned Force	Posted - 2008.03.14 07:09:00 - [483] Originally by: Kerfira Edited by: Kerfira on 13/03/2008 22:48:34 Tbh, I think everyone knowing anything about proper software development processes who read the reason for the one day postponement (needing more testing) knew this was going to end badly with lots of untested software and features. If you on the day of deployment suddenly realise you need more testing, you just DON'T need 'just one more day'. It just doesn't happen! If this patch had been properly developed and tested, a few WEEKS before planned launch a release candidate with a frozen feature set would have been on Sisi to test. It would then have gone through one or more test cycles before being proclaimed ready for release. Instead, it seems like new fixes were added up to the last moment, which is a sure recipe for disaster. CCP really should get some software PROCESS professionals to look over how they develop their game, because what they're doing now seems to be software hacking, not software development. 100% agree if my developers in the company would do such thing i would fire them all.. We have frozen codes months before a release
Damned Force	Posted - 2008.03.14 07:11:00 - [484] Originally by: Fehz Everyone needs to stop with the whine threads and just set long skills (5+ days). Please understand that this game (yes, it's just a game) is one of the most complex computer systems that people could ever imagine. If you want to do your part to make sure patches go smoother, more people need to hop on sisi and try out more than new pvp ship setups. I have an idea. Why doesn't CCP give isk rewards to people who contribute to beta testing? Like give them specific tasks to complete in beta testing, have a GM on sisi monitoring each person's progress, and give them isk on TQ? is one of the most complex computer systems that people could ever imagine lol u have no clue
Hugh Ruka	Posted - 2008.03.14 07:23:00 - [485] waiting for the patch that patches the last patch :-)) Waiting for the patch that patches the last patch ...
Damned Force	Posted - 2008.03.14 07:25:00 - [486] Originally by: Hugh Ruka waiting for the patch that patches the last patch :-)) in the situation i would not do this, because the patch fixing last patch would cause even more bugs. As usual :)
Hertford	Posted - 2008.03.14 07:54:00 - [487] Originally by: Scarpia Dona Pressing the alt button to show items in space desperately needs to come back. This. x10.
Mithrantir Ob'lontra Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative	Posted - 2008.03.14 08:31:00 - [488] I have noticed that if i modify my overview settings (or use any saved profile i have) and dock, after i undock the profile i used is no longer in action and the default is activated. ------- Nobody can be exactly like me. Even I have trouble doing it.
Satrani Destiva The-British-Empire	Posted - 2008.03.14 08:47:00 - [489] The Only issue I am suffering with is that when I undock the whole screen seems to be frozen up and I can't move my view. The station even follows me to the asteroid belt. I can still mine but I can't keep an eye out for anyone getting a bit too close and nicking my ore. I am not suffering with this overview problem many of you are having and for this I am happy as it would be truely annoying. A small suggestion to CCP, How about much smaller patches on a more regular basis that actually work rather than these monster ones that don't.
Jon Neeley001 Starcorp Heavy Industries Notorious Organization of Brothers	Posted - 2008.03.14 10:12:00 - [490] Please remove the new undocking system from quiet systems it might be ok for jita and other large trade hubs but when my exumer/industrial takes forever to align because its going way fast On the other hand thanks for putting another turret on the ferox
Princesse Qiao Dallas Company	Posted - 2008.03.14 10:21:00 - [491] Actually after nearly the whole day yesterday vainly trying every client-side solution I could dream up (some you you may actually have to read previous posts if you want to know what they all were), and not managing to get FPS sorted or 2 clients stable enough to run at lvl4 'proper', and given that there has been nothing at all by way of comment from CCP on these serious issues, I have to now agree with the most negative of the posts above - and the most positive of suggestions directly above this: 1. Don't try big patches in future til you have fully tested the patch. 2. Roll back this horrible patch and break it down before reintroducing it. Frankly I don't see the point of anythingin it as it stands. Yes EVE was broke and needed fixing before it, but now it's far worse. And if you don't want to see posts like this (assuming you actually read them) try acknowledging issues raised by your customers. This forum post is now 17 pages long with not so much as a word from CCP. I can't think of any other provider hosted forum which would be ignored for so long by the host, whateverthe circumstances or priorities of workload: there is always 5 minutes to let your customers know you are taking what they are saying on board!
Kendar Zek Interstellar Aid Society	Posted - 2008.03.14 10:44:00 - [492] Originally by: Princesse Qiao Actually after nearly the whole day yesterday vainly trying every client-side solution I could dream up (some you you may actually have to read previous posts if you want to know what they all were), and not managing to get FPS sorted or 2 clients stable enough to run at lvl4 'proper', and given that there has been nothing at all by way of comment from CCP on these serious issues, I have to now agree with the most negative of the posts above - and the most positive of suggestions directly above this: 1. Don't try big patches in future til you have fully tested the patch. 2. Roll back this horrible patch and break it down before reintroducing it. Frankly I don't see the point of anythingin it as it stands. Yes EVE was broke and needed fixing before it, but now it's far worse. And if you don't want to see posts like this (assuming you actually read them) try acknowledging issues raised by your customers. This forum post is now 17 pages long with not so much as a word from CCP. I can't think of any other provider hosted forum which would be ignored for so long by the host, whateverthe circumstances or priorities of workload: there is always 5 minutes to let your customers know you are taking what they are saying on board! It is the deafening silence that I find most offensive as a customer. I have never called a CCP developer an ahole, never claimed their team is stupid, indeed never hurled personal insults at any CCP employee. I have, however, raised the valid concern that many of us feel ignored as paying customers, and posed the very simple question: When will this practice end? Seventeen pages without a word is unacceptable from a customer service standpoint. If EVE were a product that didn't require customers to pay each and every month, I could understand (though not excuse) such an abhorrent lack of effort to build a relationship with the customer base. Oddly enough, CCP doesn't even send out the automated e-mail asking to retain your business when you close your account, and while some may find such things obnoxious, it illustrates a serious lack of concern toward those of us who feel so defeated that we've abandoned any hope that CCP will address the issues that are important to us. Asking - indeed begging (for years) - for a game to retain its user configurations is one of the squeakiest wheels to date, yet it is never greased. As a customer, I would be satisfied if CCP would simply assure me that they are definitely going to address these concerns, and give some idea as to how they will go about it, with a reasonable timeframe for resolution. Frankly, I would have been satisfied if a CCP representative simply said, "We are aware of [insert issue here] and we are making every effort to repair it within [insert reasonable ETA here]," by page 2-3 of this thread. -- Owner, Venture Racing Team**
Tux Turner School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.14 10:55:00 - [493] CCP Still hasn't learned anything! Another extended downtime a day after the troubled booster patch and now their rushing to fix another problem. I won't be surprised if something else breaks during the process. C'mon CCP put some QA process in because there isn't any despite what ever they're saying.
Szap Light Minds Of Space Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.14 10:55:00 - [494] Jeah they like building up their relations with the customer base but only in threads that are not about problems. They appear in fun threads, new feature anounced threads and so on. Perhaps CCP needed something like a forum warrior (like Tarminic) who would just read all the threads then walk into the devs ask them about the problems and post the replies.
Iceworld JotunHeim Hird Aurora Borealis Foundation	Posted - 2008.03.14 11:00:00 - [495] The life of a guy playing eve. Once more CCP have showed us the total arrogance with not replying to anything. 1. How can a game developer install yet another patch where they remove all peoples bm. in the ingame browser, we are people who actually have used the ingame browser a lot. 2. How come ccp everytime they come with a patch get surpriced and make more mistakes than right things now again CCP need to make a emergency patch. I will say nothing about the nerfs and changes in this thread. just that in my opinion is ccp going in the wrong direction with the game. I truly hope that CCP will credit us all with one day extra gametime for all this nonsense they are putting us through yet again. Regards Iceworld
Qi Shan Multiverse Corporation Cosmic Anomalies	Posted - 2008.03.14 11:04:00 - [496] Edited by: Qi Shan on 14/03/2008 11:04:47 Well no disastrous errors, crashes or bugs over here so far, fortunately :). One strange annoying little thing is that since the patch, right clicking on skills which I haven't trained yet in the character sheet has no effect, while right clicking skills in which I do have points works fine.
Kerfira University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.14 11:15:00 - [497] Edited by: Kerfira on 14/03/2008 11:18:44 Originally by: Kendar Zek Originally by: Princesse Qiao ...try acknowledging issues raised by your customers. This forum post is now 17 pages long with not so much as a word from CCP. I can't think of any other provider hosted forum which would be ignored for so long by the host, whatever the circumstances or priorities of workload: there is always 5 minutes to let your customers know you are taking what they are saying on board! It is the deafening silence that I find most offensive as a customer. Seventeen pages without a word is unacceptable from a customer service standpoint. I commented on this y'day... Originally by: Kerfira The amount of 'No Information' from CCP is overwhelming..... Seriously, when you deliver a software lemon to people, the least you can do is acknowledge it and say what you're doing to remedy the situation..... Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
RRNL ARJIS Enterprises Blackguard Coalition	Posted - 2008.03.14 11:19:00 - [498] this weeks total downtime is crazy, every time i wanted to play EVE its DOWN. Im losing respect toward it! BTW fix THIS glitch i discoverd: I was probing some systems, found some sanscha bases, i bookmarked them. After the patch they where gone!!! 4 hours of work down to the toilet, Thx for the patch
princess katie Trinity Miner Acquisitions	Posted - 2008.03.14 11:21:00 - [499] There also seems to be a problem now in changing screens,( takes a while to change/hangs and freezes and even crashes with an ccp erro message) to my alts account. I also keep getting a ccp error message of a runtime error. These problem have only just started after the new patch.
Kendar Zek	Posted - 2008.03.14 11:27:00 - [500] Originally by: Kerfira Seriously, when you deliver a software lemon to people, the least you can do is acknowledge it and say what you're doing to remedy the situation..... Perhaps the developers have the same attitude as some of the players. We should all quit "whining" that we want a working product (which we pay for), and learn to be grateful. I'm looking for any reason to give CCP another chance to satisfy me as a customer; I like the game that much. I'm willing to reconfigure the game, re-sort my contact lists, and go through the rest of the usual patch day process ONE more time, if only they'd promise me they won't stick it to me again in the next patch. -- Owner, Venture Racing Team Please visit your user settings to re-enable images.
drnovum	Posted - 2008.03.14 11:30:00 - [501] Why don't you ppl make a list with issues (I. Install/Game behavior issues something that PREVENTS you from playing the game. II. General patch design "failures" i.e. undocking with max velocity, loss of bookmarks, overview reset and etc.). A simple list of what you find bad after the deployment of the new patch. Let one summarize it all and... post it several hundred times or 'till you get a reply. CCP ppls apparently do not have the sufficient attention span to read through all posts. Alternatively, you can all stop paying for a month or two... Anyway, I noticed that approx 32k players were online yesterday evening and this somehow seems quite the normal load I see every time I log in during week days(but I could be wrong of course) so it seems that there are also quite a lot of ppl who did not have problems.
insidion	Posted - 2008.03.14 11:31:00 - [502] Originally by: Grey Range Ditto on the overview issue . . . everytime I dock and undock, the overview window moves, and so do any windows on the right side of the screen. I've changed settings, locked windows, pinned and unpinned them. Nothing works. Please help. This, definitely the most annoying bug as they constantly are jumping around. Sorry, but terrible terrible job CCP. How this stuff constantly makes it through your Q+A testing makes me honestly wonder if you ever do any testing at all. All of the issues present in this patch are ALL immediately noticeable to even the casual player within moments of logging in. How could you possibly not observe such obvious problems? Camera issues galore, graphic issues, messed up planets, UI that's now on more ***** than ever, etc. While we appreciate your efforts, come on CCP, you're capable of so much more! =P
Kerfira	Posted - 2008.03.14 11:35:00 - [503] Originally by: Kendar Zek Perhaps the developers have the same attitude as some of the players. We should all quit "whining" that we want a working product (which we pay for), and learn to be grateful. Some complaints are valid, some are whines. Generally, complaining over game balancing is 99 out of 100 times equal to whining. Nerfs/boosts are a normal and required part of any developing game (especially multi-player games) and IMHO none of the game balancing stuff done in this patch are detrimental to the game. Complaints over broken stuff that prevents you from playing the game or complaints over lack of information are on the other hand seldomly whines, but legitimate complaints. Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Starfinder principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.03.14 12:06:00 - [504] I have lost 20 FPS since the patch. My corpmates report loss of FPS. Some report the game as unplayable now. I can't run 2 clients on the same box anymore. Please address this issue. If you can not fix this, give us the option of turning off whatever new feature killed our FPS. Otherwise, I am not going to need the second account anymore. :) And stop nuking all our settings and preferences!!!!
Tivy optomistic research	Posted - 2008.03.14 12:21:00 - [505] You have to give CCP credit for having a wicked sense of humour, the BOOST patch, hahahahaha! Very funny CCP. Wonder who's idea it was to change it's original name of, The LAG patch.
Doonoo Boonoo Hedion University	Posted - 2008.03.14 12:22:00 - [506] Forum are not showing other peoples Corps,Alliance unless I tick the boxes in the settings for my own character. No biggie.Just saying.
Caterpillar AUS Corporation CORE.	Posted - 2008.03.14 12:37:00 - [507] In no particular order:- 1. I can no longer approach nearby bookmarks in space (i.e. less than 150km). The command is simply ignored by the ship. 2. Alt-tabbing between two clients eventually causes at least one to lock up and more often than not, both. I have disabled premium graphics and still the same result. Memory leak? 3. Overview tabs appear to be doing something other than working as they should. 4. It could be traffic in system/node/game I suppose, but the frame rate does appear to have reduced. 5. When 0m from gate I continually got the message about having to be within 2500m to jump. This has happened before and maybe related to system load I guess, but still a problem. 6. CCP don't appear to be listening/interested in what its paying customers are saying or letting them know what is going on to address the apparently countless issues with the "boost patch". :( Cat
Ermesinda Caldari Deep Space Ventures Caldari Deep Space Industral	Posted - 2008.03.14 12:38:00 - [508] Im not guna go at CCP since well I have learnt do deal with this over the years of playing on Eve well since it was just a baby beta; Heres an answer towards why CCP isnt replying at this moment "Maybe there more concerned on 'how to quickly fix this'"?? if you keep hammering them and instulting them on a personal level; of course there just going to ignore you =/ this is why you should KINDLY ask, and dont say you've put up with this for a longtime, I doubt you have; there are players out there like me that have delt with this for years now; And yes it does tick me off that they take so long to fix these issues. Though I have stuck through for one reason "CCP has still managed to make one of the BEST MMORPG to date" So before you start insulting them on a personal level; think "Why are you still here if a game ticks you off so badly?" Now now I am not completely defending CCP but why are you here? its a game dont get so stupidly heated up, an plus the game is cheap to play monthly or yearly. Now onto a friends issue. Gate jump bug: A friend has experienced a little bug where the gate he uses shows that usual "gate currently down" then goes to warp to a station nearby; but instead he cant warp but in 2-3 seconds hes warped to a null sector with no gates no planets no belts no nothing. Seems to be happening everywhere in 0.0 Thank you. Oceda/ Chris.
Chamoa Midgets Making Widgets	Posted - 2008.03.14 13:25:00 - [509] Market quickbar needs to be sortable by name. Having folders there is handy but the fact that you have no control over sorting and the sort is now in a different order than before makes managing the market more difficult.
Zorlond Out Siders	Posted - 2008.03.14 13:26:00 - [510] Are the API keys still out? Thought they were coming back up today?
Prometheus Pyrphoros Sovereign Brotherhood	Posted - 2008.03.14 13:27:00 - [511] I have the issue with moving windows also (pinned windows move after undock) but its not that big of an issue. I have however heard something about a cloacking nerf is it put in this patch or are these just future plans (cloacked ships wiould be detectable by probes) if its true I might reconsider training those skills any time soon seeing as a cloaked (and undetectable) ship is almost the only way for newer players to be able to go into low sec and 0.0 ..Dont the older players have it easy enough as it is in those areas??
Guido Santorini Strife Mercenaries Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.14 13:31:00 - [512] Edited by: Guido Santorini on 14/03/2008 13:32:51 <gives CCP a big cuddly hug, cuz Devs need hugs, too> Please fix the Market Quickbar alphabetizing thingy and that pesky Overview-unpin-repin-each-time-I-bloody-undock-it's-driving-me-batty thing. Thank you. GS * CENSORED *
Brisk Legeon University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.14 13:32:00 - [513] 1. BIG INCONVENIENCE Player "in-space" bookmarks lost organization. Having around 500+ bookmarks, within 8-10 different folders are now in 1 folder. Its a mess. I don't name them for each system, or type of bookmark, I store it in a specific folder, so now there is no way of sorting it out. 2. MINOR ANNOYANCE When fully minimizing a 1 chat window, and leaving local open, after each system jump, minimized window expands, covering local. 3. MINOR ANNOYANCES Custom interface colros settings are lost, preset overview setting are lost. CCP should give an option of importing your options. Other than that, good job CCP on bringing improvements to the game.
Cyxopyc Wolfram Brotherhood	Posted - 2008.03.14 13:44:00 - [514] Edited by: Cyxopyc on 14/03/2008 13:45:49 Originally by: CCP 3/11/2008 EVE Gets a Boost Trinity 1.1: Boost Patch is being deployed, filled with helpful and thrilling modifications, and not a single 'nerf'. With every patch we hope to greatly improve our virtual world, by enhancing features, squashing bugs and fine-tuning the action. Boost Patch has done just that. Navigate to the Trinity webpage to review all of Boost Patch's features, interviews, screenshots and wallpapers. - Really just a list of changes would be fine but thanks for offering extras. - The shortcut I set for my ship cargo has always opened and closed the ship cargo window. Now it will only open it. Many of us were hoping to someday open and close more windows by shortcut but instead this ability has been removed where it had been so very useful? Please put it back. - It seems at least some changes to the UI have not gone very well. I just want to repeat what I have said before. Keep at it. Put all your effort to the UI for several months. Make an altogether new one if you need to (without so very many right-click menus). It is clearly an EVE weak spot and apparently not an easy one to remedy. == Support fixing the EVE UI
Futuristic Eagle Spartan Industrial Manufacturing SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.14 13:52:00 - [515] Ive had 2 "Exe errors" which have resulted in crashes, both of the times i was minimized. I was mucking around in Vent when i crashed, both times.
Yunii Allied Combat Team Endless Horizon	Posted - 2008.03.14 13:54:00 - [516] Still using M$ DBs ? well that's most of the problems right there. Sorry but the truth hurt sometimes. Don't like that I can't re-click on my cargo and ship scanner Icons to have the windows disappear. Especially when they wind up under another window and I have to looking for them by minimizing all my other widows to find the damn thing, then move it, then have to manually close it, got very annoying Really fast. The OV changes are OK so far I guess. Haven't had much issue with them yet. Like the fleet window changes, /two thumbs up Ofc I'll add more when I see something I like or don't. o/ ------------------------------------------- Originally by: CCP Arkanon I think this thread also illustrates perfectly that we neither censor nor do we try to silence our customers.
Sir Toadalot Exiled.	Posted - 2008.03.14 13:59:00 - [517] calling it a BOOST patch is lame, expecialy as its an attempt to gain some cred back. Its full of nerfs, you jsut didnt put them in your notes. WTF is up with nerfing all the faction hardeners? ==== Exiled. Recruitment: OPEN
Klooney Fast and Safe Space Travel	Posted - 2008.03.14 14:09:00 - [518] I noticed these problems: 1) Bubble graphic is no more active with "All effect off" option. So if you disable the effect to have better performing your client you can't see if you finish in a trap! 2) Overview and fleet window repositioning at every undock is very annoyng.
superexcitement State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.14 14:15:00 - [519] Typically you designate an alloted time to deploy the patch and it actually take about 12-16 hours more. Being honest, when you patch liek this...don't say 2am-whatever downtime. Just close the fcking server for the day and let people throw on a 30day skill instead of the usual 20 hour skill which eaves our characters not training anything for 10 hours because you fcked up the patch deployment. I work in IT, we have deployed patches and fixes like this on a much greater scale (try thousands of employees with a fixed deadline, whereas with CCP you can just do whatever the hell you want) and we have rarely encountered anything even remotely close to the kind of downtime you guys get. Maybe if you test the patch properly first it might not take down half a database when your deploying it. Much Love, superexcitement
Cybele Lanier The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.03.14 14:17:00 - [520] 1: FPS has plummeted to the point where I wouldn't dare attempt PVP or a mission. 2: The rotating view in a station is kinda neat, though it gives me motion sickness after a while. However, it doesn't seem to work with a mining barge, which appears below the view. 3: My beloved 1152 x 684 resolution has gone (incidentally, my normal desktop is set to the same resolution, so I can't use that solution). Oddly, a smaller size remains an option. --------------- ""Minimum collateral damage" and "Entire star system" do not belong in the same sentence."
Somnolik Corporation of the Month	Posted - 2008.03.14 14:24:00 - [521] Some issues: - The Ionic Field Projector rig I still shows and calculates +20% targeting range bonus - Drones do not have full shields after undocking from a station - The overview osd keeps resetting its position each time in station - The default overview sometimes shows a completely unreadable entry that looks like a one-line-graphic bug, text completely garbled Everybody makes mistakes, no need for harsh words.
Slinkus Gallentus S.T.D. Productions presents....	Posted - 2008.03.14 14:29:00 - [522] Well, I think this patch goes to show that the problem with forever tweeking code is that you always have problems debugging it. Personally, I think CCP should just get things sorted out before it thinks of major overhauls rather than doing a major overhaul and having a fresh set of problems.
Nekopyat Moons of Pluto	Posted - 2008.03.14 14:37:00 - [523] Originally by: Szap Light Jeah they like building up their relations with the customer base but only in threads that are not about problems. They appear in fun threads, new feature anounced threads and so on. Perhaps CCP needed something like a forum warrior (like Tarminic) who would just read all the threads then walk into the devs ask them about the problems and post the replies. nods dedicated (as in single responsibility) customer facing PR would probably do more for CCP then additional QA resources. Customers are amazingly resilient to problems if they feel they are part of a dialogue about them. But silence when things go wrong make people feel helpless and thus defensive (then aggressive). The Dev Blog about the boot.ini problem was a wonderful step in this direction, but what CCP probably needs is lots of _little_ posts about such things rather then occasional monolithic ones when things really go wrong (and then too long after it). Whoever fills this role should not be a dev, marketer, or qa person. It's a specialized role the requires a somewhat different skill-set to be effective. My company experiemented with such a system and got some serious customer good will out of the experience.
Nekopyat Moons of Pluto	Posted - 2008.03.14 14:45:00 - [524] Originally by: Kerfira Some people of.c. disagree with this as they're too narrow-minded to see beyond their own little favorite ship.... Keep in mind that a significant amount of the concern here is less about the specific balance and more about the perspective and process that went into it. CCP indicated that the changes were tested and balanced against 0.0 PvP and only this playstyle case, which is going to rather displease other types of players (who are already a bit sore from this attitude). Yes it probably is a type of whining but when you feel slighted as second class citizens by people you are giving money too, yeah, people get a bit ****ed. Esp when it is a recurring (but not universal) pattern.
Chlamidia Wretched Industries New Eden Research	Posted - 2008.03.14 14:46:00 - [525] As I imagine all the devs are pounding away at keyboards trying to fix the problems instead of spending hours listening to winging bastards on the forum
Jai a'Shanti Mirkur Draug'Tyr	Posted - 2008.03.14 14:48:00 - [526] Yes.. all well and good but.. umm what is SISI for? Surely they could've deployed there first & ironed out at least most of the bugs before patching TQ? I'm new, if I've missed something basic please excuse my lack of awareness
Knarfis Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.03.14 14:55:00 - [527] Dear CCP, Again thank you very much for not changing the Deimos in this last patch. So far I havent found alot if issues with this patch as some others have. The Eve client crashing I have dealt with once last night but that was after a number of window switching and "logging out" back to the log in screen. It did mention something about a memory leak. The overview tab this is a great idea but the default tab just doesnt make any sense. U cant permanently assign it a specific overview setting. Everytime you change tabs then go back to the "default tab" the setting are all different then what u set it before hand. It would be better if we had the chance to either delete it completely or assign it permanently. Otherwise its in the way. Other then that everything seems to be going ok on my end Knarfis
archangel1004 The Alien Antz space weaponry and trade	Posted - 2008.03.14 15:03:00 - [528] Cant yas use the "TEST SERVER" to test the patches b4 we wait around for 2 days waiting till yas get it right??? zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Bad Brown Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.03.14 15:05:00 - [529] Wheres the little box on my ship when I press alt to tell me where my prey is when using directional? I hate patches!!
fishblades GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.14 15:05:00 - [530] Another FPS drop person here. It's fine in stations for some reason but as soon as I undock eve is pretty much unplayable, even in empty 0.0 systems. I know my specs aren't the best but I never had a problem like this before, and the only thing that has changed on my computer is the patch. Heres hoping this extended downtime fixes it. I know EvE is a complex game but you think the Devs would be tired of making themselves look stupid and take their time on these things. Also why are bubbles grouped into effects now. Most people disable effects when they know a fleet battle is incoming, now if you turn them off you can get stuck in bubbles you cant see. awesome :)
Slinkus Gallentus S.T.D. Productions presents....	Posted - 2008.03.14 15:08:00 - [531] I think they missed a word out at the end of the the topic title..... failure, maybe. Apart from niggly issues the patch doesn't seem to have really changed much. Sure they've put in some fancy stuff that you will only ever use once... when you first see it and realise it does not aid game play at all... but apart from that I can't really see what you did! Being thrown out of a station at max velocity seems a bad idea for me especially if you need to warp off double quick and your initiation is slowed by your velocity as your target is behind you or at a right angle to you... why can't we just be placed outside the station at different spots at zero velocity, or at quarter approach speed, so you can initiate warp at your desire? My frames per second currently sucks. I was getting some 7fps in level 4 missions and that is dangerous for me and the lag was unbearable. It took a full 2 minutes to reload at one point! That is simply unacceptable. When I warp the warp tunnel is jerky rather than smooth like it was previously. Again fps. The downtime news page has not been updated since the first day of the patch. Since then not a noise from CCP. Maybe the issues are too numerous to list, or maybe the head of CCP hasn't yet finished tanning their hides with wet fish. I don't know, but it would be nice for them to say something even if it is that we are getting there and we hope to be back up by tea time! Not being told anything just mega sucks and the time and money I have invested in this game is not being repaid. The QENs that you are doing are a good sign except that they may also be telling us that you are getting more financially minded. I hope this is not the case. That aside, I hope you get the problems sorted sooner rather than later but you really do have to look at your updating procedures as the way you do them right now is nothing short of pathetic. Sorry, but I have been playing this game for a year and in that time you have done various things to the game. You've taken some big and bold steps and most of them have worked to a good point. However, you're letting yourselves down with this one due to your lack of communication. I am still fairly happy with eve but the longer I don't play it the sooner I will be looking elsewhere for my after work entertainment.
Cerys Magente Office linebackers Odyssey.	Posted - 2008.03.14 15:12:00 - [532] Edited by: Cerys Magente on 14/03/2008 15:12:10 I would like the ALT key functionality back, please
Fastercart Ihatalo Heavy Industries Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.14 15:13:00 - [533] eve is up. __ Rorqual AKA Mega Maid Oh, my God. It's Mega Maid. She's gone from suck to blow.
Berand Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2008.03.14 15:22:00 - [534] Removing the alt-for-brackets-and-moons shortcut is pretty much disastrous. Please fix. Thanks
fishblades GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.14 15:26:00 - [535] Originally by: Fastercart eve is up. Logged in to see if they fixed the FPS problem, saw no improvement and logged right back out. My account expires in 9 days and it will stay like that.
Xaviar Onassis Iyen-Oursta Salvage	Posted - 2008.03.14 15:29:00 - [536] Eve is up, but beware the API... Evemon just threw away all the skills I'd trained apart from the currently-training one and its prerequisites. Everything else, according to EveMon, I've got to do again. I'm sure it's just that one of the APIs isn't working properly yet, but if you're planning to use EveMon, I'd back your data files up first... Xav
Cat Dog Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.14 15:43:00 - [537] i dont like to be a ***** or ass ... but ... Just before 5mins a bored CCP someone told me in help chat, i shall stay relaxed and that: "The Market-Quickbar-Alphabetical-Distorsion" will get fixed "next" patch? plz verify... next DOWNTIME or next bigger patch meant? I am one of those beating many hours a day trading... and i just DONT ACCEPT TO WORK WITHOUT QUICKBAR until another patch day. THIS SUCKS BIG BIG TIME. you cost me and many others right now - MUCH TIME. I know we cant force something for our pity payment, but solve it PLEASE yesterday. It cant be that hard at all.
Risingson Mezzanine Inc	Posted - 2008.03.14 15:53:00 - [538] ! Please add scanner probes to be triggerable for overview. after adding wrecks to directional again its a horror to scroll directional for scanner probes of griefers/foes. those probes play a quite important role and should be filterable.
eXotiCDanCer II Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.03.14 15:59:00 - [539] Originally by: Risingson ! Please add scanner probes to be triggerable for overview. after adding wrecks to directional again its a horror to scroll directional for scanner probes of griefers/foes. those probes play a quite important role and should be filterable. this. and. Alt key. omg. Quickbar.Alpabetical Order. Api. We need. It. I really cant see the boost in this patch. You forget the pretty basics each patchday again. Use SISI. Watch forums/petitions before patch even a little more closely. Solve issues reported before patching liveserver.
Kerfira University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.14 16:05:00 - [540] Originally by: Nekopyat Originally by: Kerfira Some people of.c. disagree with this as they're too narrow-minded to see beyond their own little favorite ship.... Keep in mind that a significant amount of the concern here is less about the specific balance and more about the perspective and process that went into it. CCP indicated that the changes were tested and balanced against 0.0 PvP and only this playstyle case, which is going to rather displease other types of players (who are already a bit sore from this attitude). Yes it probably is a type of whining but when you feel slighted as second class citizens by people you are giving money too, yeah, people get a bit **ed. Esp when it is a recurring (but not universal) pattern. What types of players apart from PvP'ers got affected by the balancing in this patch? Industrialists? Not really. Explorers? Not really. No ships got nerfed individually (all boosts), so I guess you're whining about mission running and the (small) general resist changes... Mission runners has been boosted a lot over the last couple of years. First there were the HP boost, then the introduction of rigs (3xCCC = MASSIVE increase in tanking, plus the extra earnings). I didn't hear you complain then. They NEEDED (for game balance purposes) to be taken down a notch, and the resist changes are not even enough. Having a safe space activity being more profitable than 0.0 activities is not good for the game. Originally by:** CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Cybele Lanier The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.03.14 16:25:00 - [541] Framerate is still terrible, alas. --------------- ""Minimum collateral damage" and "Entire star system" do not belong in the same sentence."
Kwint Sommer Lothian Quay Industries Otaku Invasion	Posted - 2008.03.14 16:25:00 - [542] The UI is on even more *** than usual. Docking/Undocking pretty much results in seizers. Flipping back and forth between two clients ultimately and repeatably results in at least one of them crashing. (I'm using classic graphics and this was never a problem before) Why did you ** with the alt key? Alt-z does not do what the alt key use to....I want to be able to see the brackets on moons again! The market quickbar is nolonger in alphabetical order and adding lots of stuff to multiple folders results in existing entries disappearing. Between those two issues it is almost unusable for those who do large volumes of trading. No responses? Really? Would it kill you to say "we're on it." Honestly, I think we're at the point where this patch has screwed up so much stuff that you should role back to an earlier version, modify only the stats on ships and worry about all the bells and whistles later. Oh, you should also sack your entire QA department. You know, the guys that missed boot.ini being deleted from the root directory last patch and missed half a dozen serious errors this patch.... Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals
Spumantii Golden Orb Technology inc	Posted - 2008.03.14 16:37:00 - [543] Originally by: Kerfira Edited by: Kerfira on 14/03/2008 16:06:38 Originally by: Nekopyat Originally by: Kerfira Some people of.c. disagree with this as they're too narrow-minded to see beyond their own little favorite ship.... Keep in mind that a significant amount of the concern here is less about the specific balance and more about the perspective and process that went into it. CCP indicated that the changes were tested and balanced against 0.0 PvP and only this playstyle case, which is going to rather displease other types of players (who are already a bit sore from this attitude). Yes it probably is a type of whining but when you feel slighted as second class citizens by people you are giving money too, yeah, people get a bit ****ed. Esp when it is a recurring (but not universal) pattern. What types of players apart from PvP'ers got affected by the balancing in this patch? Industrialists? Not really. Explorers? Not really. No ships got nerfed individually (all boosts), so I guess you're whining about mission running and the (small) general resist changes... Mission runners has been boosted a lot over the last couple of years. First there were the HP boost, then the introduction of rigs (3xCCC = MASSIVE increase in tanking, plus the extra earnings). I didn't hear you complain then. Mission running NEEDED (for game balance purposes) to be taken down a notch, and the resist changes are not even enough. Having a safe space activity being more profitable than 0.0 activities is not good for the game. I beg to differ. You do enough missions to get 9.5 faction standing and then tell me you don't deserve a decent activity to partake in. Take away missions in hi sec and I'd quit and unsubscribe in less than 5 minutes.
The Economist Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.03.14 16:50:00 - [544] CCP... Pimp my ALT key! Alt-z does not do what alt used to. It was a vital tool in scanning people down efficiently which you just nerfed the crap out of. Give it back. Please.
jna Black Ash Enterprises	Posted - 2008.03.14 16:52:00 - [545] Originally by: Kerfira Edited by: Kerfira on 14/03/2008 16:06:38 Originally by: Nekopyat Originally by: Kerfira Some people of.c. disagree with this as they're too narrow-minded to see beyond their own little favorite ship.... Keep in mind that a significant amount of the concern here is less about the specific balance and more about the perspective and process that went into it. CCP indicated that the changes were tested and balanced against 0.0 PvP and only this playstyle case, which is going to rather displease other types of players (who are already a bit sore from this attitude). Yes it probably is a type of whining but when you feel slighted as second class citizens by people you are giving money too, yeah, people get a bit ****ed. Esp when it is a recurring (but not universal) pattern. What types of players apart from PvP'ers got affected by the balancing in this patch? Industrialists? Not really. I beg to differ. In fact, as a manufacturer/hauler/trader this patch has been pretty disastrous for me: details here. ------------------------------------------------- When Carebears Attack! <-- Hulk PvP video
Kerfira University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.14 17:03:00 - [546] Originally by: jna Originally by: Kerfira My post I beg to differ. In fact, as a manufacturer/hauler/trader this patch has been pretty disastrous for me: details here. Oh - My - God - The - Whining!!!! Disastrous??? #1: Slightly longer warp time? Disastrous? (i did try this y'day. No significant difference) #2: This still works. 15 degrees is close enough, assuming your instas are correct. However on one of the caldari station types (the flat one with the narrow and blocked exit) you now exit at a different angle (and a much better one). Make a new insta and the problem goes away. #3: Your own fault. Stay out of Jita. That something is not fixed is not a nerf, but simply something not fixed. #4: Poor you. No alphabetical sorting.... Damn, I think we have a strong contender for 'Supreme Whiner' here.... Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Kerfira University of Caille	Posted - 2008.03.14 17:07:00 - [547] Originally by: Spumantii Originally by: Kerfira My post I beg to differ. You do enough missions to get 9.5 faction standing and then tell me you don't deserve a decent activity to partake in. Take away missions in hi sec and I'd quit and unsubscribe in less than 5 minutes. Obviously you don't know much if anything about game balancing. Have you ever heard about risk vs. reward? L4's has next to no risk, and still pays better than almost any 0.0/low-sec activities. They've also been boosted a lot in income over the last couple of years, and for balance reasons they really need a good fat wack with the nerf-bat. I'm not talking about taking them away, but a 30% increase in NPC damage and tanking abilities is about what is needed to offset the boosts provided by rigs when they were introduced. Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Princesse Qiao Dallas Company	Posted - 2008.03.14 17:09:00 - [548] Originally by: Chlamidia Edited by: Chlamidia on 14/03/2008 14:46:51 I would imagine all the devs are pounding away at keyboards trying to fix the problems instead of spending hours reading whinging bastard posts on the forum I'd agree that whining is not productive, but: 1: They have to read these posts to obtain information on bugs players are reporting - and what the players are trying from their end to fix things. 2: It is the tiniest amount of work on top of wading through all this to actually post a note saying 'note taken of this, this and this, working on the first, second confirmed as bug etc.. ' - and potentially saves their paying customers wasted hours of fixes from their end. 3: It is a (missed) opportunity to give guidance to customers as to the kind of feedback information needed (what tech info to include in reports, no more reports needed of a/b/c etc). This is the kind of thing I have organised in tech support for no less that 4/5 of the UK's biggest ISP's, and would regard as standard industry practice with any fault let alone major outages. I am also happy to do this for CCP if they pay me!
The Rincewind Walhalla Enterprises Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.14 17:11:00 - [549] sry guys... was it said before what kind of changes/boosts the named cladari and amaar ships got from 1.1 patch? Apoc is clear.. i saw it immidietly
Princesse Qiao Dallas Company	Posted - 2008.03.14 17:21:00 - [550] Not sure yet - not been on long enough to test and not going to be atm.. : 1. Alt-tab seems more stable 2. Alt-esc pretty much 100% guaranteed to cause a lockup of even 1 client..
Talkuth Rel Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.14 17:59:00 - [551] I had an odd problem after installing the patch. Once I logged in, EVE kept trying to access my empty DVD drive. I had to open the drive to stop this. I am running the classic client on Windows XP Media Center. I have not had the opportunity to log in since, but once I do I will see if this problem is repeatable and if so, file a bug report.
Vested Interest Hedion University	Posted - 2008.03.14 18:10:00 - [552] post patch my box is running super hot. Something is really hogging resources in the client now.
Kwint Sommer Lothian Quay Industries Otaku Invasion	Posted - 2008.03.14 18:11:00 - [553] Originally by: Talkuth Rel I had an odd problem after installing the patch. Once I logged in, EVE kept trying to access my empty DVD drive. I had to open the drive to stop this. I am running the classic client on Windows XP Media Center. I have not had the opportunity to log in since, but once I do I will see if this problem is repeatable and if so, file a bug report. Assuming it persists I would attempt reinstalling before filing a bug report. I haven't seen anyone else report this issue so more likely than not some file got corrupted during the download/install of the patch and it will be fixed by reinstalling the client. Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals
Juin Dar Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.03.14 18:27:00 - [554] I wanted to start off by saying 'Great Job', but I think I'll settle for 'Good Try'. I really do like everything you tried to do, and for the most part its playable. But like many others, I can't beat my overview into submission, my CPU is spitting out fireballs, the FPS readout looks like a roller coaster ride, the bracket settings are... whatever, my god why play with the Alt key. Thanks, have a nice day :)
Kailey Takar Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.14 18:53:00 - [555] wtf happened to my alt key? Pls fix, kthxbai.
Andresky Frankfurt Industry and Defence Trust	Posted - 2008.03.14 19:05:00 - [556] for me fps dropped massively! where i got 20-30 frames before i now have below 10 (!) fps - absolutely unplayable! a fixing patch would help many of us!
Quincunx Subspace Anomaly	Posted - 2008.03.14 19:06:00 - [557] Originally by: Andresky for me fps dropped massively! where i got 20-30 frames before i now have below 10 (!) fps - absolutely unplayable! a fixing patch would help many of us! Yep, exactly the same here. It's pretty much unplayable for me.
Nyabinghi Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.14 19:23:00 - [558] Portal To War mission still shows as bugged. Is there an ETA to when it'll be fixed? I am at 4/5. ***
Andresky Frankfurt Industry and Defence Trust	Posted - 2008.03.14 19:38:00 - [559] I hope there will be a fix soon giving us the FPS back we had before! ;) This way it isn't funny to play... only thing I can do at the moment is switching skills.
Liucinda Expiation n Damnation	Posted - 2008.03.14 19:52:00 - [560] having problem with EM resist on T2 armor tank ship (like phobos)
Andresky Frankfurt Industry and Defence Trust	Posted - 2008.03.14 19:54:00 - [561] Another problem when quitting EVE: System freezes for about 20 seconds - black screen and mouse arrow from EVE can be seen - than it goes back to Windows desktop. I don't think this is "normal" ;)
ge jaco Humantarget	Posted - 2008.03.14 19:57:00 - [562] I have some issues, mainly fps drop on drone-action/rats getting near, and that unable to check info on untrained skill. But I think that it's nice patch and I'm pleased. That openfleet (haven't tested yet) sounds great.
IDIOTAS Vaporalis I.D.I.O.T. Sev3rance	Posted - 2008.03.14 20:00:00 - [563] Edited by: IDIOTAS Vaporalis on 14/03/2008 20:00:18 mostly i am not able to connect because of stucking at "checking status" or "aquiring bulk data". if i manage to connect after trying 5 - 10 times i have a disco in between 1 - 10 minutes. thank you for this wonderfull patch, guy's!
Aerich Jerahl State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.14 20:03:00 - [564] Originally by: Andresky Another problem when quitting EVE: System freezes for about 20 seconds - black screen and mouse arrow from EVE can be seen - than it goes back to Windows desktop. I don't think this is "normal" ;) I believe that's because the EVE client is throwing an exception as it's closing. Why? I have no idea. But I have Visual Studio 2005 installed on my PC as well, and I would say roughly 85% of the time now when I exit the client the system asks me if I'd like to use Visual Studio JIT Compiler to debug the unhandled exception.
Miyamoto Uroki PURE Legion Pure.	Posted - 2008.03.14 21:11:00 - [565] Originally by: Quincunx Originally by: Andresky for me fps dropped massively! where i got 20-30 frames before i now have below 10 (!) fps - absolutely unplayable! a fixing patch would help many of us! Yep, exactly the same here. It's pretty much unplayable for me. Same for me. Unplayable atm. Just below 10 fps on average. Plz fix this ccp asap Originally by: Puupuu dude... your face
Crux Australis MotorSaikol LadrUNZ G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.03.14 21:12:00 - [566] Hi there, my constructive comments on this deployement and relative fix requests are disseminated here and on various pertinent forums, I'd like just to reinstate that this patch sucks massive***. Have a good night. Originally by:** Mynas Atoch The contract with BOB over Period Basis served us no further, so we tore it up and binned it.
Brigitte Kuragin The Illuminati. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.14 21:34:00 - [567] undo the <alt> key changes, and give the omen some more powergrid. What was already hard to fit has suddenly become nearly impossible.
Mr Morimoto R A G E Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.14 21:40:00 - [568] Classic unplayable on 1 year old decent system. Worked good before patch. Why am i getting 12 fps in one system with 300 people (orsulaert) and then go to 0.0 with 20 people and getting 4 fps? ATTN CCP, not everyone is a metagamer and spends 5 grand on a beast of a comp, give us something playable, not latest and greatest. P.S. underpromise and overdeliver, look like a hero next time instead of, well, FAIL
Belmarduk de Prieure	Posted - 2008.03.14 21:42:00 - [569] Please fix the fps-rate I have 8 fps on a machine which allways had 30 fps+ This is unplayable. Thx Belmarduk CCP Please give us casual players a Skill-Queue !
Dez Affinity Ore Mongers	Posted - 2008.03.14 21:43:00 - [570] Alt key changes. If it isn't broke, don't fix it. There was no need to remove the Directional Scanner UI from the Directional Scanner (Yes I know it moved, but why?) I got over it though, I didn't need it but it sure as hell made it easier to use. And that's what it comes down to really, no wonder people complain about the UI in this game when you have to have seperate settings for a mechanic that worked FINE before. Now the moons are terribly difficult to scan for and narrowing down your scan on weird ship models is also difficult _______________
Joachim LeHigh EnTech Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.03.14 21:53:00 - [571] http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=725351&page=12#345 Read this post for important information on optimizing your computer to run eve smoothly...
Lyra Sy Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.14 21:59:00 - [572] I think ccp has gotten on my last nerve with this last patch. After something like 4 years of play I've cancelled my account. And my second account will likely soon follow. I used to be a game developer, so I'm used to patches taking longer than expected. But the QA on that last patch was almost non-existent. Or you chose to ignore your QA and rush it out anyway. My fps is trashed and I can no longer use the premium graphics on either of my accounts. I had to manually track down and restore my settings files - again! And if I had to guess, I'd say that when you reorganized all that stuff in the Escape menus you broke much of it. I know the station environments are loading even when unchecked and pulling down my frame rate (when I played with the checkbox to verify I had to relog to get it to unload.) Has my LOD secretly been toggled off too? Maybe I'm now at highest graphics settings despite what my graphics tab says? There's a new slew of interface bugs to add to an already laggy, pathetic mess. And now that I think on it, here's some of the issues I've been waiting YEARS(!) for them to fix: When did it become status quo to accept no visual feedback on a ship direction change? So now I have to double click 3 times to make sure one took. Did the first one get eaten by my chat window because it previously had the focus? Or maybe the 2nd one was eaten by my ship because I clicked too close to it and it's just not smart enough to fly straight away from the camera. Or maybe lag got one or all of them? How am I to know with no visual feedback. Make the cursor blink or don't, but do something! It doesn't get anymore basic than moving your ship in space, and frankly your interface is still pure crap at it, and you've had YEARS to fix this. I'm sick and tired of not being able to see if my weapons buttons are lit or not because some background artist thinks every system should be a nebula so bright I feel like I'm always staring directly into the sun! I spend way too much time swiveling the camera away from battle towards the darkest part of space. And why the laggy frame rate? It's true I usually keep the game at max screen resolution to make more room for all my windows. But let face it, when it comes to the 3D rendering, for all the beauty of the premium graphics I really only see it on my own ship. I'm mostly a Caldari missile user, so most ships I fight are 30+ km off. Really, they're just brackets at that point. So shouldn't your graphics LOD be clipping out all that other ship rendering? How about a fleet command mode that makes all visible ships into simple 2d brackets? Wouldn't that make blob warfare at least playable for those with lesser computers? And don't even get me started on the map. The "I'm sorry, I know you had me open just 2 secs ago, but I still need 5 to 10 secs to load, get all new data from the server, because you know that at any moment that star system's sec status might just have changed (heavy sarcasm), and oh I've also forgotten the view location, rotation, and zoom you previously had." map. And the "oh look how much useless info I can spam at your floating cursor" features. But when you stop and actually try to get detailed info on a station in a given system you have to wait another 20 SECONDS before that info will show up. And when it does its going to be in a popup balloon that will inevitably be underneath one of your chat windows. Pure crap! Oh another good one: Placing market orders from space. There's no error. No "you can't do that here" message. No sfx. It just throws the info away, and later your left scratching your head trying to figure out where your order is. And ships going into and coming out of warp sideways? How lame is that? I can guess that at warp-in time, a directional vector might not have been replicated to my cliet yet, but can't you at least have the client make a good starting guess? Pretty graphics don't make up for stupid looking stuff.
Hilbert Space Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.03.14 22:03:00 - [573] The game is not playable after the patch. Framerate is constant at 2 FPS - was at 15-25 FPS before. If i disable 'FixedProgram' in the config file i get over 30 FPS, but the game crashes every 10 seconds. I'm using a macbook. CCP please fix the framerate problem otherwise the game is not playable at all. Thank you.
Andresky Frankfurt Industry and Defence Trust	Posted - 2008.03.14 22:06:00 - [574] Originally by: Joachim LeHigh http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=725351&page=12#345 Read this post for important information on optimizing your computer to run eve smoothly... Why optimizing a PC where EVE was running perfect 2 days before?
Joachim LeHigh EnTech Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.03.14 22:21:00 - [575] Originally by: Andresky Why optimizing a PC where EVE was running perfect 2 days before? Because it's worth a try before you berate CCP for something YOU might be able to fix?
amagonsan Perpetual Reality Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.14 22:31:00 - [576] Edited by: amagonsan on 14/03/2008 22:31:14 Originally by: Princesse Qiao Not sure yet - not been on long enough to test and not going to be atm.. : 1. Alt-tab seems more stable 2. Alt-esc pretty much 100% guaranteed to cause a lockup of even 1 client.. Eum.. Alt-tab crashes the client when running multiple clients on a major part of eve.. i wouldn't call it more stable... Edit: (that would include me)
Soleramnus The Plexus Syndicate The Order of New Eden	Posted - 2008.03.14 22:58:00 - [577] I could not even get the patch to finish updating before it crashed and left me with the (Incompatible Build!) Server Status error. My experience: 1) Auto patcher didn't come up, so I manually downloaded the patch and hit the EXE file, as directed on the website. 2) Manual Patcher failed at the very end. Now I'm left with an out-of-date version; cannot connect. 3) Thankfully, I still had the EVE Premium installer. Reinstalled the whole client (which has now screwed my SSH tunnel, sigh--will probably post for help about that in a different thread). 4) For whatever reason, Auto Patcher appears on this freshly-installed version. That does its thing, and then it fails at the end too. So I'm stuck with the old build, can't connect, and my SSH tunnel setup got messed up in the process. Has anyone else had trouble just trying to install the patch, regardless of what the patch itself has broken/fixed? I respect CCP a lot for all the work they've done on this beautiful game. Kudos to them. But I don't understand how a patch itself can crash before it fixes anything... seems counterintuitive to the whole idea of patching. Is there a patch for the patcher?
ekalami Pixies Under Pressure	Posted - 2008.03.14 23:46:00 - [578] Im sure it wont be helpful, but I too am experiencing such a severe drop in fps, that I cannot imagine trying to use my pvp character. As things stand this boost patch has completely undone all 'the need for speed initiative'. Since the game is actually unplayable (except for market/industrial activities) I guess the best I can do is wish the devs luck in finding the bug as soon as possible. I dont want to read through all 20 pages of this thread, but have the devs acknowledged the existence of the performance bug yet? I would regard this as more serious than a few flaws with tutorial missions which have been acknowledged. The one thing I can smile about (and hope the devs can too), is the irony in the declaration of the patch being 'nerf free'. On the contrary, it appears to have nerfed everything. Even the ability to play.
Kwint Sommer Lothian Quay Industries Otaku Invasion	Posted - 2008.03.14 23:46:00 - [579] Originally by: Soleramnus Edited by: Soleramnus on 14/03/2008 23:05:55 I could not even get the patch to finish updating before it crashed and left me with the (Incompatible Build!) Server Status error. My experience: 1) Auto patcher didn't come up, so I manually downloaded the patch and hit the EXE file, as directed on the website. 2) Manual Patcher failed at the very end. Now I'm left with an out-of-date version; cannot connect. 3) Thankfully, I still had the EVE Premium installer. Reinstalled the whole client (which has now screwed my SSH tunnel, sigh--will probably post for help about that in a different thread). 4) For whatever reason, Auto Patcher appears on this freshly-installed version. That does its thing, and then it fails at the end too. So I'm stuck with the old build, can't connect, and my SSH tunnel setup got messed up in the process. Has anyone else had trouble just trying to install the patch, regardless of what the patch itself has broken/fixed? I respect CCP a lot for all the work they've done on this beautiful game. Kudos to them. But I don't understand how a patch itself can crash before it fixes anything... seems counterintuitive to the whole idea of patching. Is there a patch for the patcher? EDIT: Tried the Auto Patcher again, got this error: VERIFICATION FAILURE "The patch was downloaded but it failed verification indicating that the file is corrupt. Would you like to download the file again? You will not be able to enter the game until you download the patch." Any help on this issue would be greatly appreciated. Reinstall the game and obviously use a fresh download of the client (with the patch already applied) to install it. Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals
Andresky Frankfurt Industry and Defence Trust	Posted - 2008.03.15 00:11:00 - [580] Originally by: Joachim LeHigh Originally by: Andresky Why optimizing a PC where EVE was running perfect 2 days before? Because it's worth a try before you berate CCP for something YOU might be able to fix? Look, it worked before - after the patch it doesn't. So why shall I fix something? There are many others around here... do you think some small Gremlin infected our PC over night? hehe Anyway... CCP will do the job ;)
Sturmwolke School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.15 00:32:00 - [581] Folks (running EVE Premium client) with FPS issue might want to check their graphics interval. "Default interval" FPS is now about twice as slow in Trinity 1.1. "Immediate" returns most of the FPS back, but I hazard a guess that it might not be too stable on systems that has a hot running video card. I feel CCP is severely lacking in keeping customers informed on certain technical aspects and keeps many of us guessing. This thread is very unwieldy for a one-stop information center to folks looking for the most current information for Trinity 1.1 issues. I don't see why haven't CCP assign a dedicated person(s) for a 1-2 week duration post-patch to post up issues reported (whether valid or not) for the public to see, including workarounds/solutions to them. You'll save a lot of grief and it will minimize the negative goodwill/perception from customers. Sheesh.
ekalami Pixies Under Pressure	Posted - 2008.03.15 01:39:00 - [582] One positive note about the fps issue. Doing stuff in station is much less laggy, and quite possibly a better frame rate. Its when I undock that the performance pains begin. I have a suspicion that ccp have fixed something that caused poor responsiveness in station, but in doing so, broke something for when in space? Pure speculation I know, but if a devs reading the thread and any posts helps with a possible solution idea, then they well worth writing
Flaming Lemming Puppeteer Press	Posted - 2008.03.15 01:54:00 - [583] Originally by: Joachim LeHigh Originally by: Andresky Why optimizing a PC where EVE was running perfect 2 days before? Because it's worth a try before you berate CCP for something YOU might be able to fix? So you're saying... "Fact one:Before patch worked fine... Fact two:After patch, sucks balls..... Conclusion: since CCP obviously can do no wrong, it is the responsibility of the user to tweak their system...which they didn't change." Or am I misunderstanding you?
Evolutius ESI Corporation	Posted - 2008.03.15 02:09:00 - [584] Originally by: Sturmwolke Folks (running EVE Premium client) with FPS issue might want to check their graphics interval. "Default interval" FPS is now about twice as slow in Trinity 1.1. "Immediate" returns most of the FPS back, but I hazard a guess that it might not be too stable on systems that has a hot running video card. I feel CCP is severely lacking in keeping customers informed on certain technical aspects and keeps many of us guessing. This thread is very unwieldy for a one-stop information center to folks looking for the most current information for Trinity 1.1 issues. I don't see why haven't CCP assign a dedicated person(s) for a 1-2 week duration post-patch to post up issues reported (whether valid or not) for the public to see, including workarounds/solutions to them. You'll save a lot of grief and it will minimize the negative goodwill/perception from customers. Sheesh. /signed
Kimmuriel Orwente Ulysse Inc. The Core Collective	Posted - 2008.03.15 02:41:00 - [585] Originally by: Hilbert Space The game is not playable after the patch. Framerate is constant at 2 FPS - was at 15-25 FPS before. If i disable 'FixedProgram' in the config file i get over 30 FPS, but the game crashes every 10 seconds. I'm using a macbook. CCP please fix the framerate problem otherwise the game is not playable at all. Thank you. I have same fps problem with classic client on my old XP32 notebook. Game always works with 20-25 fps at 1024x768 before, but now I have 2-3 fps delays for 3-4 minutes, after almost every minute of normal playing.
Spumantii Golden Orb Technology inc	Posted - 2008.03.15 03:10:00 - [586] Originally by: Kerfira Originally by: Spumantii Originally by: Kerfira My post I beg to differ. You do enough missions to get 9.5 faction standing and then tell me you don't deserve a decent activity to partake in. Take away missions in hi sec and I'd quit and unsubscribe in less than 5 minutes. Obviously you don't know much if anything about game balancing. Have you ever heard about risk vs. reward? L4's has next to no risk, and still pays better than almost any 0.0/low-sec activities. They've also been boosted a lot in income over the last couple of years, and for balance reasons they really need a good fat wack with the nerf-bat. I'm not talking about taking them away, but a 30% increase in NPC damage and tanking abilities is about what is needed to offset the boosts provided by rigs when they were introduced. Wow, troll much? You are talking to a game designer so with what little respect you deserve, put a sock in it. If you'd like to discuss risk vs reward I'd be happy to educate you. If you were to make lvl 4 missions harder then what would be the point of it rather than heading straight to 0.0? Man you have an attitude problem and I'll be sure to use your name as a joke for an easter egg. In this line of work there is no excuse for lack of QA when you make as much money as an MMO provides. You can PM me with your misguided theories any time you want, so troll on.
Admiral Himerias The White Star Consortium Tenth Legion	Posted - 2008.03.15 03:53:00 - [587] OK I appreciate the help some people are given. Just got rid of all my spyware, did a virus scan, rebooted several times and uninstalled and reinstalled the eve client. This problem (of bad ffs) did not occur before the patch. I certainly hope this will be fixed as many people are simply unable to play because of this.
Sylthi Coreward Pan-Galactic	Posted - 2008.03.15 03:55:00 - [588] Originally by: Kerfira L4's has next to no risk, and still pays better than almost any 0.0/low-sec activities. So, then why aren't you running level 4's if they are so great instead of complaining about the people who do? Originally by: Kerfira They've also been boosted a lot in income over the last couple of years Where the hell have you been and what game have you been playing? Seriously. In the last 18 months the bounty rewards on (mission) NPCs have been "balanced" DOWN three times. The number of NPCs on missions have been "balanced" DOWN three times, and their difficulty (i.e. damage and resists) "balanced" up three times. The loot tables have been messed with and/or "balanced" DOWN five times. And finally, the raw isk (and other) rewards for missions offered by agents have been "balanced" DOWN two times. So, how is all of this making missions create MORE income than they were before, EXACTLY? Jeeze. Know what you're talking about before you post. You will embarrass yourself a lot less that way..... * *
Sentinel Eeex DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.15 05:04:00 - [589] I am now fully convinced that each programmer in CCP is doing Q&A testing of his own code.
Kayla Starfire Coreward Pan-Galactic	Posted - 2008.03.15 06:05:00 - [590] Edited by: Kayla Starfire on 15/03/2008 06:07:09 CCP = Continually Coxing-up Patches. Heres an idea: How about outsourcing all of your support staff to a place that actually has trained proffessionals, that know what they are doing, in ready supply? It couldn't possibly be any worse that what we are dealing with now..... I hope....
Kahega Amielden Legacy Syndicate space weaponry and trade	Posted - 2008.03.15 06:12:00 - [591] need a hotfix patch..hopefully one that fixes hacking complexes.
Xing Tu School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.15 06:20:00 - [592] I haven't read all 21 pages so I don't know if this came up or not. When I right click on an untrained skill I get nothing. What happened to the info? Is it a patch issue? My settings? Just the way it's going to be from now on?
R0ot Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.03.15 07:00:00 - [593] Bring back the ALT key usage for showing moons and also showing the scanner box on your ship! ------------------------------------------------------------------
SaberH Crown of Stars	Posted - 2008.03.15 07:04:00 - [594] Just to say, that with 1.1, my fps outside of station is divided by 2, or more nice to see my missiles jumping from my ship to the target.
Polrena Trans-Solar Services	Posted - 2008.03.15 10:08:00 - [595] I saw a dev post back on page 1 and 3 about known issues. Can we get an update on that, so we know we're being heard? For myself, the overview/drone window & settings undock/login reset is the most annoying, particularly with all the hoops I've had to jump through to try to fix it. Pinning, unpinning, locking the pin from the esc window, restting default positions, removing settings and cache subfolders from all the nooks and crannies of a half a dozen file locations...shoot, the bug report alone took me hours to compile. I'm also seeing a problem with my hanger items window being the same as a wreck cargo window. I don't care for that at all. Please make them go back to being separately sizable/positionable. I'd also like to voice my interest in having the cargo button hotkey toggle-able again, instead of the new open-only nonsense.
Cyxopyc Wolfram Brotherhood	Posted - 2008.03.15 10:41:00 - [596] FPS problems -- Originally by: Kimmuriel Orwente Originally by: Hilbert Space The game is not playable after the patch. Framerate is constant at 2 FPS - was at 15-25 FPS before. If i disable 'FixedProgram' in the config file i get over 30 FPS, but the game crashes every 10 seconds. I'm using a macbook. CCP please fix the framerate problem otherwise the game is not playable at all. Thank you. I have same fps problem with classic client on my old XP32 notebook. Game always works with 20-25 fps at 1024x768 before, but now I have 2-3 fps delays for 3-4 minutes, after almost every minute of normal playing. I can't promise anything but I've had FPS weirdness on my one system for a long time. All I would do is alt-tab from windowed to full screen or full screen to windowed and the FPS would increase some, enough to make it playable. This is true after acceleration gates in missions. On warp in I'd find a low FPS then do alt-tab and waahlaah, I can play it ok. These aren't huge jumps in FPS but enough to make an noticable difference. The FPS meter shows a change from 4 to 6FPS or 8 to 11 but the increase in playability is great. Like many others I have noticed an decrease in FPS in places I didn't have a low (slideshow) FPS before. My work around above seemed to work in these situations... give alt-tab a try. P.S. I noticed energy weapon crystals now stack in ship cargo as they are unloaded from the weapons... thank you :) == Support fixing the EVE UI
Captain Campion Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2008.03.15 11:17:00 - [597] hmm api thing screwed evemon? still not working?
welsh wizard Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.15 11:26:00 - [598] Originally by: R0ot Bring back the ALT key usage for showing moons and also showing the scanner box on your ship! ^^ Otherwise patch has been excellent. --------------- you all smell!
Space Wanderer Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.03.15 11:39:00 - [599] FEEDBACK ABOUT EXPLORATION Specifically, radar sites. One of the Patch Notes reads: "# Changes were made to loot tables for certain hacking containers. ". Well I certainly noticed that. Since trinity I didn't find any empty canister in hacking sites. In the first hacking site done after patch deployment I found two empty cans (if it can be of use, both cans were Blood Com Towers). What was that about a "no nerf" patch? I realize that there was too much good loot going around after trinity which drove some prices down the drain, but I don't know if making it rare again after the prices crashed will be any good for explorers. I don't think prices will rise that fast now that they crashed. Now I realize the reasons for the devs not saying much about exploration, the more "mystery" is in the game the more entertaining the game is, but I think that in this case some dev should at least explain if this new behavior of cans is wanted or a bug that will be corrected.
eXotiCDanCer II Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.03.15 11:55:00 - [600] 21 pages of total failure without replys. I want to release myself. YOU SUCK. another untested patch and i SWEAR I GET MY CHAINSAW.
princess katie Trinity Miner Acquisitions	Posted - 2008.03.15 12:27:00 - [601] I seriously suggest to all the "so called" pro,s at CCP to take a six months training at FF XI,s HQ, to understand the meaning of the word "PATCH" and "FIX". because this is getting on every ones nerves. Still not able to keep 2 accounts open still crashes, still CCP error messages "runtime error CCP are sorry but has to close" Still takes 5 to 10 mins to log back in. Still get clusters are full please try later, still getting " the system your trying to get into is loading. ( like for 20 mins) still getting a frps rate of max 10. and like every one else, I am still paying the fee,s. Please get this right or tell us that your closing down, so at least we can cancell the next months payment.
Andresky Frankfurt Industry and Defence Trust	Posted - 2008.03.15 12:34:00 - [602] Can someone confirm the following: "Massive Scordite" now titled as "Massive Scordite460, 722959" Several asteroids and all ore in my hangar is now titled "Massive Scordite460, 722959". not annoying... just funny ;)
5F 55 Black Mage Research Empire Research	Posted - 2008.03.15 12:42:00 - [603] eWar notification in the overview It's a good idea, but I'm missing notifications for Energy Neutralizer and Energy Vamps. In most cases I'm playing with the tactical overview and zoomed out to see the 50km ring or even more. Within this perspective it's hard to see such details. So it would be fine to have a notification for those things in the overview too. And as Malaan Tabfassh mentioned earlier, please make it a separate column.
Praytell Sha'han	Posted - 2008.03.15 13:06:00 - [604] Great work on the Patch CCP. Ive enjoyed trying to fit an omen out with all 5 turrent slots. One note though... Im having a problem with lag spikes or frame spikes like someone has mentioned... Ill log onto the game everything going smooth for about 2 minutes and then all of a sudden my screen, mouse and any keys lock up and I cant do anything for about 30 secs. After the first spike it gets worse, it happens after every 25 secs then. I dont know how to check my frame rate or if its even that. I just know I cant really do anything like this
Kaathar Rielspar Universal Exports FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.03.15 13:35:00 - [605] Technically, a great patch for me. classic client updated perfectly and logs in and out even fast than it used to, great job there. However, the 'not a single' nerf bit is a slight lie. The patch notes said the meta level of co-processors was being adjusted but it appears the actual bonus has been adjusted! in my case, a dread guristas co-processor has been nerfed from 15.5% cpu bonus to 14%. is this a bug? ____________________
Katini Ellegahn Capital Development and Security Industries	Posted - 2008.03.15 13:45:00 - [606] Originally by: Sturmwolke I feel CCP is severely lacking in keeping customers informed on certain technical aspects and keeps many of us guessing. This thread is very unwieldy for a one-stop information center to folks looking for the most current information for Trinity 1.1 issues. I don't see why haven't CCP assign a dedicated person(s) for a 1-2 week duration post-patch to post up issues reported (whether valid or not) for the public to see, including workarounds/solutions to them. You'll save a lot of grief and it will minimize the negative goodwill/perception from customers. Sheesh. /Signed - Its unbelievable that this even needs to be suggested.
princess katie Trinity Miner Acquisitions	Posted - 2008.03.15 15:11:00 - [607] And to all you people out there this is CCP,s answer .. Quote: "Sorry CCP has encountered a problem and will have to close. please try later."

CCP Explorer C C P	Posted - 2008.03.15 17:50:00 - [608] Originally by: hydraSlav Originally by: Zytrel Just for those who seem to have lost their settings. I am using eve with the /LUA:OFF option and it appears that the settings location moved from "./cache/settings" to "./settings" Yup, same here. Looks like CCP coders need to invest in some memory implants, cause their natural memory is not enough to remember where they keep settings The settings location when using the /LUA:OFF switch changed from "...\cache\settings" to "...\settings". But please note that we don't support the /LUA:OFF switch. Settings are stored in C:\Documents and Settings\%username%\Local Settings\Application Data\CCP\EVE\c_program_files_ccp_eve_tranquility\settings (assuming default paths for Windows settings and install folder of the EVE client). This allows settings for different installs and different servers to be kept separate, if you also have installs for Singularity or Multiplicity. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Solostrom The Scope	Posted - 2008.03.15 17:59:00 - [609] So here is your feedback CCP... 1) Despite what appears to be years of requests you continue to blow away user settings after every patch. Listening to customers... You fail. 2) Despite what has been reported as weeks of knowing about the Drone, Overview etc windows not sticking in position you don't fix it. You expected us to just be happy with this? GINOURMOUS FAIL! 3) Needing to move the Settings folder around some more and leaving a folder full of junk behind on my machine. You fail. 4) Implementing a new Overview tab feature and then screwing that up? For god's sake!!! You just implemented it! Think testing was in order? YOU FAIL! 5) Adding a Help window that needs 2 clicks to get rid of for every window... Do you guys realize how many "man months" you have wasted in the last few days making everyone click the go away buttons? How hard would it have been to add a few more lines of code to check how old the particular account is and then NOT showing these windows for accounts over 14 days old? SUPER FAIL! 6) Zipping ships out of the station at ridiculous speed instead of adding exit points? How bloody lazy could you be? Super massive fail! Bet everyone in nullsec trying to stay inside station shields really appreciate this one. I'm curious... is the CEO's 8 year old daughter the head of Development? Do you actually have engineers with real experience? Can you prove that there is a real QA department? Heck is there a QA person? Is this person old enough to vote? I could go on... with every new release I lose more and more respect for you. Windows bouncing around after undocking? 3 year request to not blow away settings from tens of thousands of players and you still haven't done it?
Vested Interest Hedion University	Posted - 2008.03.15 18:19:00 - [610] my in-station performance woes (system running excessively hot) have seemingly been corrected by switching back to Interval-Default instead of Immediate. That said, CCP's silence in this so-called feedback thread speaks volumes in and of itself.
Valasaria Coreward Pan-Galactic	Posted - 2008.03.15 18:56:00 - [611] Originally by: Solostrom CCP hate speak I like the way you think. Like your main points too. I'll /sign that. Have a cold one for me!
Neraven al'Brindi Legacy State The Ascendent Dominion	Posted - 2008.03.15 19:15:00 - [612] I am unhappy with the new patch released by CCP. I feel that the Minmatar and Gallante characters, more specifically there ships, have yet again been shafted by the latest patch. With a reduction in the ability to tank the game has only been made more difficult for these races. Also, supprise supprise, the Caldari and the Amarr ships have been made even stronger. Yes, i understand the need for balancing but I personally beilieve this hasn't been achieved, not in a long way. Ships that were already difficult to construct sufficient builds for interms of pvp or missions, have been even further sidelinned and ships already notoriously deadly have been enhanced to ridiculous levels. Personally I think you have neglected the two races that are constantly being reduced in terms of effectivness or any strengths they may inherently have constantly being nurfed. What's next an increas in the Itheron 5 and Mamouth cargo bays to balance an extra launcher hard poin for the raven or an extra low slot for the Omen.....??? When will it stop this so called "re-balancing"?
Kimmuriel Orwente Ulysse Inc. The Core Collective	Posted - 2008.03.15 19:38:00 - [613] Originally by: Cyxopyc I can't promise anything but I've had FPS weirdness on my one system for a long time. All I would do is alt-tab from windowed to full screen or full screen to windowed and the FPS would increase some, enough to make it playable. This is true after acceleration gates in missions. On warp in I'd find a low FPS due to a dust cloud, then do alt-tab and waahlaah, I can play it ok. These aren't huge jumps in FPS but enough to make an noticable difference. The FPS meter shows a change from 4 to 6FPS or 8 to 11 but the increase in playability is great. Like many others I have noticed an decrease in FPS in places I didn't have a low (slideshow) FPS before. My work around above seemed to work in these situations... give alt-tab a try. Alt-Tab helps, but really is not true solution... I still have nice unplayable delays with very low fps and also its very annoying - to use alt-tab every 2-3 minutes. /me is hauling instead fighting =/
Tissa EVEFront	Posted - 2008.03.15 19:42:00 - [614] Have we whined about not being able to duel account on premium yet? http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=726808 No wonder you're late. Why, this watch is exactly two days slow. www.evefront.com
Soleramnus The Plexus Syndicate The Order of New Eden	Posted - 2008.03.15 19:54:00 - [615] Originally by: Kwint Sommer Reinstall the game and obviously use a fresh download of the client (with the patch already applied) to install it. Thank you good sir, that seemed to do the trick for the incompatible build part of my problem. I would've done that earlier, just really didn't want to work through that long donwload once again. Thank you.

CCP Explorer C C P	Posted - 2008.03.15 20:23:00 - [616] Originally by: Kalissa The cyno effect is now missing, if you jump a capital or use a jump bridge the ship just sits there for a couple of seconds then the new system loads Yes, we noticed a day before deploying that the new Black Ops cyno effect has caused issues with the normal effect. It's been fixed internally but no release date set. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Admiral Himerias The White Star Consortium Tenth Legion	Posted - 2008.03.15 21:06:00 - [617] OK some things: 1) I still hope CCP will release a statement or at least ackknowledge the problem for those of us who are having low fps problems as we simply cannot play the game whether we reinstall or turn off our comps or anything else. 2) Can some of the people who are screaming in here please shutup? I mean like the people yelling "CCP Suck" and "YOU FAIL!" to CCP are not fixiing this problem. Your just embarrassing yourselves. If your going to complain please do so in a manner which will make the devs actually want to fix your problem.
Mr Morimoto R A G E Insurgency	Posted - 2008.03.15 22:35:00 - [618] This blows my mind, all these issues of an unplayable game and The software director responds to a post about a cynosaural field special effect that affects a tiny portion of users, this is a joke. Im new to this game by about 6 weeks, game worked well prepatch, now it doesnt. A little help please? not some outdated sticky from 4 years ago.....hire some talent or call this game what it is, a test server!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Evolutius ESI Corporation	Posted - 2008.03.15 22:41:00 - [619] For those of you having issues, I urge you to do the following: A. Creating a logfile 1. Navigate to this folder (windows xp): C:\Program Files\CCP\EVE 2. Open the program labeled Logserver 3. Either hit Ctrl-w or select new workspace from the dropdown file menu 4. Startup your eve client 5. Play the game normally and try to reproduce the issues you are having as they are now being logged. 6. After you have successfully suffered from your issue, close the eve client. 7. Either hit Ctrl-s or select save from the dropdown file menu (by default it will save itself to your my documents folder). B. Creating a DXdiag file 1. Click Start. 2. Click Run. 3. In the empty field type dxdiag (A window should popup with the title DirectX Diagnostic Tool.) 4. Click the button labeled "Save All Information..." (by default its saved as a txt file to the desktop). C. Submitting your files 1. Create a new folder 2. Add both the logfile and the dxdiag file to the folder 3. Archive (zip) the folder. 4. Navigate to eve-online.com 5. In the left-hand column on the website click Bug Reporting. 6. Log in with your in game username and password. 7. Submit your bug report with the greatest detail possible. 8. Be sure to upload your zip file containing the logfile and your dxdiag information in the last field. D. Waiting for CCP to fix it 1. Pace back and forth and rant on the forums (Let it out,it's not healthy to hold it in, and who cares if people say you're whining). 2. Cancel your subscription and submit how you really feel about the lack of customer response. ( Your account is not deactivated until your time runs out, and there is an option to cancel your cancellation, should CCP decide to start treating its customers civilly and address issues that multiple paying customers are experiencing.) 3. Visit websites and forums related to mmorpgs and let others know how you got screwed the day after you paid your subscription, and that there was no official response on the news page or the forums regarding your issue(s) despite your bug submission and forum posts (even though they DO read the forums and only select certain posts to respond to.) On a side note to CCP: I don't expect you to fix everything this instant, but as a paying customer, I do have the right to expect some feedback regarding my issues, as does every other paying customer (generic generated e-mails notwithstanding). I have cancelled my account, and even if you do fix it, I doubt I'll come back due to your business ethics/policies. I do expect this post to get deleted, despite it having useful information that one of your paid representatives could and SHOULD provide in EACH and EVERY post related to the issues caused by deployment of your "boost" patch. Good day Yeah, you guys can have all my stuff, just meet me in Jita, lol. Hope this is helpful to someone, I'm done with this.
Wetchaser1 L.C. Textiles Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.15 22:55:00 - [620] ati mobo,ati vid card, amd 64 3500 cpu, 4 gig of ram. Untill now a rock solid single instance eve machine. I thought game was working fine last night. Very early this morn after reboot i kept locking after 2-3 jumps. Restarted pc, turned every non esential program/service off. As soon as i opened eve now, cpu use hits 100%. If i logged in and chose a toon, couldnt get past entering game screen now. R&R'ed EVE, and it changed nothing. Still thinking this could be a overheating thing, i pulled fans from cpu and vid card to insure a good cleaning of sinks. Man ati use's tiny screws to hold fans covers on..... Put it back together and nothing has changed except fans are quieter now. Thinking that since i found quite a hairball under vid card fan plate, i entertained the thought that i may have killed the X800XL. I removed all ati drivers, then replaced card with a nvid 8800gtx from my sli machine along with latest drivers from nvid. I was still locking after a jump or two. 1. I only run the old graphics on any of my machines as its just less lag imo. 2. The system has no problem running Halflife II, it was this fact that made me seek forum help. 3. The system has been running eve with no probs for over a year. Please roll this patch back untill it has been proven on Sisi. Feel like im playing a microsoft game were you just know your really a paying beta tester. POSITIVE NOTE: Thought the updates on motd was quite professional. Wetchaser
Lord Frost The Crystal Method	Posted - 2008.03.15 23:34:00 - [621] Sure hope this has been covered, but the patch screwed up mouse clicks all over the HUD and in space. Big time delays for mods to activate... sometimes the mouse click doesn't even register, sometimes it does, then right after you notice the delay you click again and oooops.. you just turned your mod off. Also, you have to try 2,3,4 times to click anything in space to select it. This is a pain... devs, I insist this be fixed.
Shaks Panta-Rhei Phoenix Allianz	Posted - 2008.03.15 23:35:00 - [622] didn't read all, maybe was mentioned before 1. alt-tab with 2 accounts, changes to other account but immediately minimizes the window. see ppl are crashing that way, i did not so far 2. alt not showing moons 3. drones in space lost their icon, i dont see them in space, but they are out and they're doing their work 4. joining a fleet fubars my overview every time (that one really goes on my nerves) 5. receiving gangbonuses, although im not in the right fleetposition and the other gangmembers are docked. even the fleetwindow gives me a red "x" but bonuses are beeing applied to my ship ---
Sean Drake Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.03.16 00:21:00 - [623] Well you know this boost patch with 100% no NERFS well you appear to have not informed somone as quite a few faction mods just got beaten back to T2 lvl. I guess this could be called balancing as most stuff is as crap as Domination loot now Any chnce we can get an honest set of Patch Notes that include a list of these nerfs as well since you just devalued a large amount of mods Kthxsbye If Goons AND BoB are agreeing with each other that your idea is stupid, it's probably stupid.
taurusguy983 Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.16 00:49:00 - [624] since i get new patch it said that : Server: Tranquility Status: Incompatible PLEASE HELP!!!! for 2 days already i facing this kind of problem , is it the server stilldown?
BeelzaBuddha Dopehead Industries FOUNDATI0N	Posted - 2008.03.16 01:09:00 - [625] Hehe...Obviously no lack of comments to this but here are mine. Prior to patch could run 2-3 accounts at once with little or no lag on an older PC. Post patch: 1. Had to re-install client twice in 24 hours. 2. Sound card crashed and had to perform system restore. 3. Many, many lag issues including button click, gate jump, opening hangars etc, etc, etc in 0.0 4. Inability to re-open EVE window after dropping to desktop. 5. Crashing when using multiple accounts. So far that's about it LOL!
Bannie Bajannie Marginis Imports	Posted - 2008.03.16 02:17:00 - [626] I'm sure it's been mentioned, but another complaint about fleet windows not remembering where to spawn and pushing my overview off the screen when joining a fleet.
Jeslik Galactic Express Frontier Trade League	Posted - 2008.03.16 02:27:00 - [627] Edited by: Jeslik on 16/03/2008 02:27:22 Well, I couldn't stay away - I had to try to get my fix. So I logged in. 1 computer (quad core q6600 proc, xp, w/ 2 nvidia 8600 gpu's, & current updates) 2 accounts (both set at 1680x1050 windowed). I got both in, w/o a problem. FPS on 1 account, fluctuating wildly between 50 & 90 (in station), sharp, jagged peaks & valleys. On the other account, steady, calm 22 fps (standard). So I went for a test ride, and ran into 3 & 5 minute gate lag (server/empire wide), and a coupla of dc's. Unplayable. The non-nerf balancing issues, while annoying from the standpoint of public confidence, don't affect me directly at this point in my game life (but I'd be seriously torked if they did affect me). But the FPS & instability directly affect me. I was running 3 accounts, at the same time, successfully prior to patch. It was difficult to maintain 2 today. I'm sure you guys are working on the problem (thread 724170 in Known issues), though all you've said so far is you don't see the problem, which doesn't send us any love. I'll be in Tabula Rasa in the meantime taking out my frustration on those pitiful Thrax. It's a fun FPS, but its not Eve.
Richard Third The Scope	Posted - 2008.03.16 05:39:00 - [628] Edited by: Richard Third on 16/03/2008 05:41:25 im trying to use the "science and industry" window. Only when I try to browse installations it tends to lock up... won't update and show the queue for installations I select. Also I'm used to clicking the "open cargo" button to bring up the cargohold window. if the cargohold window is docked, it neither opens or closes it ! I tend to use the cargohold window alot, and now I have to leave the window undocked because the button doesn't work anymore. -- You can't do that with a Planet.
Kwint Sommer Lothian Quay Industries Otaku Invasion	Posted - 2008.03.16 10:48:00 - [629] Why doesn't the cargo opening hotkey close my cargohold? It use to and that was good thing. If anything we need more of the hotkeys to work like this. Seriously, if it aint broke, don't fix it. On the list of things that are broken: Running dual clients, the minimized one invariably drastically reduces RAM usage and freezes up on me post-patch and it never did before. I have changed nothing on my system save patching EVE. The market quickbar, it doesn't sort alphabetically and putting a ton of things in folders results in items disappearing. This is not okay and needs to be fixed. You changed alt, annoying but if alt-z did everything alt did I'd get over it. Well, it doesn't and it's a pain in the ass to scan and find moons now. Your QA department fails at life and should be sacked. To sum up, if you don't solve the dual-client issue I won't be resubscribing my second account for obvious reasons. By the way, some kind of official response or at least acknowledgment of this stuff would be nice. I learned the first time I submitted a petition that CCP customer service sucks but this is pushing it. Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals
Zenst Omniscient Order	Posted - 2008.03.16 10:57:00 - [630] Originally by: Solostrom So here is your feedback CCP... 1) Despite what appears to be years of requests you continue to blow away user settings after every patch. Listening to customers... You fail. 2) Despite what has been reported as weeks of knowing about the Drone, Overview etc windows not sticking in position you don't fix it. You expected us to just be happy with this? GINOURMOUS FAIL! 3) Needing to move the Settings folder around some more and leaving a folder full of junk behind on my machine. You fail. 4) Implementing a new Overview tab feature and then screwing that up? For god's sake!!! You just implemented it! Think testing was in order? YOU FAIL! 5) Adding a Help window that needs 2 clicks to get rid of for every window... Do you guys realize how many "man months" you have wasted in the last few days making everyone click the go away buttons? How hard would it have been to add a few more lines of code to check how old the particular account is and then NOT showing these windows for accounts over 14 days old? SUPER FAIL! 6) Zipping ships out of the station at ridiculous speed instead of adding exit points? How bloody lazy could you be? Super massive fail! Bet everyone in nullsec trying to stay inside station shields really appreciate this one. I'm curious... is the CEO's 8 year old daughter the head of Development? Do you actually have engineers with real experience? Can you prove that there is a real QA department? Heck is there a QA person? Is this person old enough to vote? I could go on... with every new release I lose more and more respect for you. Windows bouncing around after undocking? 3 year request to not blow away settings from tens of thousands of players and you still haven't done it? I can do nothing but totaly agree with all that upto point 6; Which for empire makes alot of sence and overall, restores a bit more gampeplay reality to situations were that is an issue. Also as for the CEO's daughter; I'm pretty darn sure she is not head of development. QA, maybe and if not I'd bet she could find more bugs than all of us, kids excel at that - give any 5 year old a computer and they'll show you a brick.
KBP Dead Man's Click Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.16 12:23:00 - [631] Originally by: Sylthi Edited by: Sylthi on 13/03/2008 09:35:26 Originally by: Judician Nar Originally by: Bannie Bajannie I haven't logged in yet, but I'm most irked by the blurb about 'not a single 'nerf''. How was the resistance reduction not a nerf? That's because it's not a 'nerf', it's balancing, and there have been very good reasons given why this has been implemented. Quit whining and get on with it :p OHHHHH!! I see. So, they have renamed "nerf" to "balancing". Thanks for clearing that up. Not sure why they did that though tbh. "Nerf" is so much easier and faster to say. In all seriousness though, just because you have "very good reasons" to gun someone down like a dog, doesn't change the fact that DOING it is still murder. Also, just like calling a pile of crap a "rose" doesn't make it smell any sweeter. You want people to quit talking about it? Then maybe you should help to get CCP to stop NERFing stuff so we don't HAVE to talk about it. There is a concept: i.e. be part of the solution rather than just telling people to "shut up." Bottom line: That is what CCP WANTS us to do here, give them our feedback about the patch. If people think it sucks, they should be free to say so. If you think its great, cool, say so. But, don't tell others to "shut up" just because you don't agree with them. Last note, just kinda guessing here, but, uh, you don't actually FLY a Raven, do you? I like your style
Sister Libertina Solar Research	Posted - 2008.03.16 12:34:00 - [632] Not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but I often loose control of small drones when recalling them. They wizz around my ship for 1 or 2 seconds then 2 of them just give up and self abandon making me have to fly to them to scoop them. (this was with hornet ii's) Also it's next to imposible to dual client on 1 laptop even in classic mode (yeah i know this has been mentioned). On the plus side, sound effects work much better now (yes eve has sound) and start up is much faster.
Muhaar Gemeinian Hellequin Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.16 12:40:00 - [633] Give back Alt key functions NOW!
Daan Sai HAZCON Inc	Posted - 2008.03.16 12:54:00 - [634] My vote for one of the best changes in T1.1 is the new adjusted tractor beams that bring the target in to 500m. As a salvager in a fast ship this has made processing and emptying wrecks a lot more efficient! Thanks to those involved in this simple and effective boost. Cheers.
ED209X South Park Development	Posted - 2008.03.16 13:47:00 - [635] CCP, Please reply to the 22 pages of posts here. I'd also like to add my name to the list of ppl who are ****ed with the "no nerf" patch. Please reset the shield amps resists to pre-patch values. I've spent millions of isk buying Dread gurista amps when now I just could have purchased Tech II Items. Dread Gurista amps are 15 to 16 million and there Tech II counter parts are maybe 1 million. ARRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cybele Lanier The Graduates Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.03.16 14:25:00 - [636] Originally by: Sturmwolke Folks (running EVE Premium client) with FPS issue might want to check their graphics interval. "Default interval" FPS is now about twice as slow in Trinity 1.1. "Immediate" returns most of the FPS back, but I hazard a guess that it might not be too stable on systems that has a hot running video card. Wow, that was a huge improvement. Thanks! I guess I can take my ships into combat again. :) --------------- ""Minimum collateral damage" and "Entire star system" do not belong in the same sentence."
Moggy TheCat Arte et Labore	Posted - 2008.03.16 14:31:00 - [637] i read through the 22 pages and without comment some issues 1) after log-in first undocking can cause to irritate the overview --( it tooks up to 2 mins for a full loaded overview / navigation menu 2) Character-Skills, setting "only show skill that i can currently train" right click -- on a skill that can be trained is missing ( no show info nothing) 3) where in the Patch-notes is the point that the Dread Guristas passiv shield hardener -- get nerft ( before the patch 40% resistance, after the patch 37,5% ) 4) the Game is more laggy and i got often a connection loss, since the boost patch 5) after opening a Fleet, the overview windows wents out of range so i have to dock -- to get it back 6) Cargo-Button, only open the cargo but dont close it as before the patch by clicking -- it again 7) after docking and undocking the overview settings are gone ... -- ( thats only at one corpmate, but regardless of the computer ) 8) before and after the patch , u cant put or take anything out or into -- a giant secure container within the corporate hangar array 9) since trinity and the premium grafic it is impossible to play two accounts on one -- Computer, it will stuck after a short time ( looks like a memory leak) 10) the torpedo nerf doesnt belongs to the NPC's ?? --- they hit you at 100km range and make damage ?!:-( 11) since the boost patch the second "Wanted" building in Rogue Drone Harrassment --- Lvl 4 went missing and you are not able to use the quick way to do the mission 11a) on that issue btw. all wrecks which hold the elite drone AI just vanishing after ---- a too short of time , they are useless but have to stay or the loot have to be ---- changed, if we dont have to loot the AI's ( same with metalscraps)

CCP Explorer C C P	Posted - 2008.03.16 15:08:00 - [638] Originally by: Treelox the market quick bar not being sorted alphabetically is a bit silly, and should be fixed ASAP. Has already been fixed (internally) and will be included in a future release. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games


CCP Explorer C C P	Posted - 2008.03.16 15:25:00 - [639] Originally by: Zaeon the cargo icon(ship cargo) in space will only open the cargo and it will no longer close it when pressing again the icon. Has been fixed (internally) and will be included in a future release. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Cat silth Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.03.16 16:15:00 - [640] Edited by: Cat silth on 16/03/2008 16:16:19 Ive been playing the game for nearly 3 years and when patch day comes i tend not to play the game for 10 days after patch day. As the patch never fixes anything - just makes something worse. 3 years on the same **** well i feel next time around ill cancel my accounts on patch day and leave it on a long skill, therefore this will stop my frustration and will save me money. and mabey one day you let us play the game and stop trying to fix something that is broken. CCP stop giving us updates, fix the known issues first or roll back the patch untill its fully tested.

CCP Explorer C C P	Posted - 2008.03.16 16:22:00 - [641] In addition to my other replies: I've sent internal requests for the "1152x864 issue" to be reviewed, for a FPS comparison to be done and for the "Alt+Tab issue" investigated. Some have asked why there haven't been any dev responses here since the deployment. We have been investigating random node deaths as a top priority, working evenings, into the nights and this weekend. Sunday afternoon was my first opportunity to read the forums and respond to the issues raised here. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Admiral Himerias The White Star Consortium Tenth Legion	Posted - 2008.03.16 17:22:00 - [642] Dear CCP explorer, as one of the guys with the FPS problems I thankyou that you are beggining to look at this problem.
ED209X South Park Development	Posted - 2008.03.16 17:32:00 - [643] Originally by: CCP Explorer In addition to my other replies: I've sent internal requests for the "1152x864 issue" to be reviewed, for a FPS comparison to be done and for the "Alt+Tab issue" investigated. Some have asked why there haven't been any dev responses here since the deployment. We have been investigating random node deaths as a top priority, working evenings, into the nights and this weekend. Sunday afternoon was my first opportunity to read the forums and respond to the issues raised here. I don't know anything about "node death" I do know that when I sign on to play the game stuff that was NOT supposed to be changed has changed. Now I have to spend more time in the forums than the game trying to find out what works and what is nerfed.
Ab Tallen The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.03.16 17:57:00 - [644] The "random node death" thing is getting really ridiculous. Since the patch, systems have been falling over left and right in Fountain.
Vizhonia Pyramid Construction Golden Applesauce	Posted - 2008.03.16 17:58:00 - [645] Edited by: Vizhonia on 16/03/2008 18:03:47 This patch is nice in 1 way. It got rid of the cluster f@!ks at the exit points of starbases, but it's not worth it. It's constant crashes, my graphics locking up half the time and the stability of the game being dropped from about 95% stability to a Pre-Beta 60% stability.... Can we have a fix or a ROLLBACK to something that works right? PS: Don't EVEN try to write this off as 1 bad machine... It's doing the same thing on two machine that have only two things in common: They both have 2gig of RAM and they both run a version of Windows XP, but otherwise have not a piece of hardware common between them.. and you aren't convincing me it's XP... The day you require me to upgrade to Vista is the day I walk and never come back.
Xuina Torre Black Reign	Posted - 2008.03.16 18:08:00 - [646] Originally by: BeelzaBuddha Hehe...Obviously no lack of comments to this but here are mine. Prior to patch could run 2-3 accounts at once with little or no lag on an older PC. Post patch: 1. Had to re-install client twice in 24 hours. 2. Sound card crashed and had to perform system restore. 3. Many, many lag issues including button click, gate jump, opening hangars etc, etc, etc in 0.0 4. Inability to re-open EVE window after dropping to desktop. 5. Crashing when using multiple accounts. So far that's about it LOL! Those problems are about the same as I experience: 1. I can not run my 2 accounts anymore (pc is only + year old, so new'ish), only 1 account at a time. If I start up the 2nd account anyway, then when I 'alt+tab' back to the 1st account, the 1st account dies 2. Several more lag issues (e.g. install research job, system load after jump) than before the patch, even in very low populated systems. I hope that CCP will take these issues seriously, since it seems that many people are having problems after latest patch. Br, XT For now and forever I am "The Noob in the Red T-shirt" !! Questions ??
Jesnen D00M. Triumvirate.	Posted - 2008.03.16 18:23:00 - [647] So, is there any way to see moon icons in space? if there is plz plz plz tell me, and if you are really nice you would mail me ingame with the solution.
Rayne Jameson Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.03.16 18:55:00 - [648] wow.. after reading all the horror stories here.. i'm glad that i set 20 day skill before patch and still haven't logged in yet.. i hope that at the end of the month most fixes will be fixed and then.. umm.. maybe i could even try to play...
deaH kciD Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.16 20:28:00 - [649] Edited by: deaH kciD on 16/03/2008 20:28:25 oops
Wetchaser1 L.C. Textiles Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.16 20:31:00 - [650] BUMP, BUMP made some setting changes that can get me thru 4 jumps or so, but cpu use is still causing lockups. Originally by: Wetchaser1 ati mobo,ati vid card, amd 64 3500 cpu, 4 gig of ram. Untill now a rock solid single instance eve machine. I thought game was working fine last night. Very early this morn after reboot i kept locking after 2-3 jumps. Restarted pc, turned every non esential program/service off. As soon as i opened eve now, cpu use hits 100%. If i logged in and chose a toon, couldnt get past entering game screen now. R&R'ed EVE, and it changed nothing. Still thinking this could be a overheating thing, i pulled fans from cpu and vid card to insure a good cleaning of sinks. Man ati use's tiny screws to hold fans covers on..... Put it back together and nothing has changed except fans are quieter now. Thinking that since i found quite a hairball under vid card fan plate, i entertained the thought that i may have killed the X800XL. I removed all ati drivers, then replaced card with a nvid 8800gtx from my sli machine along with latest drivers from nvid. I was still locking after a jump or two. 1. I only run the old graphics on any of my machines as its just less lag imo. 2. The system has no problem running Halflife II, it was this fact that made me seek forum help. 3. The system has been running eve with no probs for over a year. Please roll this patch back untill it has been proven on Sisi. Feel like im playing a microsoft game were you just know your really a paying beta tester. POSITIVE NOTE: Thought the updates on motd was quite professional. Wetchaser
Sky Marshal Aeden Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2008.03.16 21:57:00 - [651] Hum... I don't know if it is only me but... Many times a day now, I have to stop engines, because the ship begin to move somewhere without I have to do a double-click. I play at windowed mode so there is something wrong clicks caused by myself, but not at this rate. Also, sometimes when I click somewhere, the ship go to an another direction instead to follow where I click. A gangmate lost his ship this afternoon, by sending his ship to a direction who wasn't followed by the game (this ship go to the ennemy instead the invert direction ^^). Maybe it is only an impression, but I prefer create this post, in the case than some players can confirm the same problems. ____ 14/20 Revelations : Desyncs... 11/20 Trinity : BBSOD, Bugs, Desyncs, F*** Nerfs 10/20 1.1 : [...] + EXP shield nerf 07/20 ½ Not a single nerf + : What ?!? CCP is the real problem of EVE.
Flaxley Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.03.16 23:55:00 - [652] just to add my name to this list i have dropped from 30-40 --> 8-10 fps
Princesse Qiao Dallas Company	Posted - 2008.03.17 00:02:00 - [653] Is it really going to take a whole week of people telling you they can't play the game anymore (FPS, client lockups, OV resetting itself , undocking 11AU from stn !!!) before you finally admit you are totally out of control and roll this mess noone wants back...??
gallentus prime Mining and Produtction LTD Trinova	Posted - 2008.03.17 00:26:00 - [654] I had problems with my client resetting its self .. losing all my oveview setting 5 time now , one all my char.. also the oveview keep moving and when i fleet up it puts it ontop of everthing so you cant see it ,,, more lag and haults at gates for ages ,, i dont know if im doing anything wrong or the client ,,
Rethie State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.17 01:27:00 - [655] My winge I am running AMD 3700+ XP 32bit 2g physical 2g virtual 7900gs Video. Before patch I could play and run my HD tv card over two screens now I can only run the EVE client. Looking at my performance, when on EVE the cpu is chewing 100% of it, before patch it was around 20%. I have switched down to my 17" LCD and disabled multiple screen, still at 100% and lots of heat, then game starts freezing. I have downloaded and re installed client twice, I have deleted and erased all orginal directories in case something was being retained, still no pleasure. I got stuck after a undock and couldn't jump out or redock my ship for probably 20 minutes or so, finally got inside and thats where I left it. I am having the screen windows, overview and anything else I had open etc stacking themselves and moving to right side of screen and bumping offscreen to the top like many others. So when I come out of stations instead of starting to navigate and escape suiciders, I have to spend time replacing my windows to original prefered positions, I have gone through every setting in the settings inteface, still nothing fixes it. FPS dropped from 80-90 adverage down to 15-20. My rant, it's broken I have mananged to do some mission fleeting last night and it was just playable, not pleasurable as before. still everthing running as above beside the docking problem. This game is listed as playable on a dial up connection, I am on 512 and its sucks. Most of us have basically lost most of a week of credible playtime!!! Please roll back until remedied.
Sean Drake Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.03.17 02:56:00 - [656] Ok since the last patch anytime I play EVE my gfx card fan kicks in at full power so much so that i can hear it over the case and cpu fans. I have a 8800GTX and allthough this does not appear to cause any problems so far the fact that crysis on Very High at 1960x1200 does not do this and yet EvE does has me a little worried. Card does appear to be heating up more as well and a corp mate also with the same card has the same issue any ideas. If Goons AND BoB are agreeing with each other that your idea is stupid, it's probably stupid.
sci0gon Tech 2 Ammo Holdings Limited Tech Holdings Limited	Posted - 2008.03.17 03:39:00 - [657] Originally by: Rethie My winge I am running AMD 3700+ XP 32bit 2g physical 2g virtual 7900gs Video. Before patch I could play and run my HD tv card over two screens now I can only run the EVE client. Looking at my performance, when on EVE the cpu is chewing 100% of it, before patch it was around 20%. This game is listed as playable on a dial up connection, I am on 512 and its sucks. Most of us have basically lost most of a week of credible playtime!!! Please roll back until remedied. your using a higher spec pc compared to me and eve's running at 50-70 on the CPU. I do get constant lockups and random reboots and its a right pain in the rear. thankfully the only thing working that doesnt crash me seems to be the chat channels and using contracts, other then that ive been bored silly waiting for a fix. i agree with you a roll back is in order or at least a well tested patch fix for this as its very bad to say the least.
TLani EugeniCorp	Posted - 2008.03.17 04:03:00 - [658] So are we to play the game as is until the, "future release" fixes things? This almost sounds like you are planning a patch to fix a patch. Also are we to continue paying full price for a product that does not deliver what is promised? And just when is this, "future release" to take place? Surely you have an idea on that already.
Conur Helsan State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.17 04:04:00 - [659] I haven't had any of the graphical problems, but this patch basically made the clunkiest GUI in the known universe even clunkier. Overview Tabs: What are they for? If I set up 3 tabs and load a different profile into each, they all show the last one I loaded. As far as I can tell its sole pupose is to waste more screen real estate in the the most egregiously screen hogging GUI ever. And of course, every time I use a gate or dock the overview name changes to "Not Saved". Is that helpful or what? Idiot Guides: You know, those endearing 'information' windows on every bloody window in the game now. I turned them off immediately, but it has reset the minimum size of every window I use. The character window is now so wide that I can't see half of my ship when it's open. The assets, people and places and journal are now so huge that I can't keep them open any more. They're at least twice the size of what they were. Spontaneous Window Relocations: Whenever I open the market window in a station the chat window jumps to the top of the screen. I have to unpin it, drag it back to the bottom and repin it. I figured out that if I minimise the chat window prior to opening the market window it stays where it is. As far as I can tell, going crosseyed and hopping on one leg has no effect. Next patch, perhaps? How CCP can release a patch that enforces 'enhancements' that negatively impact useability for everyone that's played longer than an hour is a complete mystery to me. Just who is it supposed to help (steamboys?), and was the cost of making the appalling GUI even worse worth it? Every patch brings playing EVE even closer to doing file maintainence in Windows Explorer. With a nice skin and moving wallpaper. I'm thrilled to bits, understandably. Now where do I sign up to pay strange people to tie me up and beat me?
Back Again Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.17 05:25:00 - [660] Please, CCP Explorer, can we have some ETA on the Know Issues page update as we have there is of 18th December 2007. The patch notes don't have any changes on the Shield Resistance Amplifiers, although we got some of the fanction, officers and deadspace modules changed their resistance values, I've bug reported it when was, yet, in Sisi and got the answer that is not a bug but an intended game feature. There are several threads about this issue in some of the other forum, including in General Discussion. The one I've made in Game Development, almost 1 month ago, got no reply from CCP staff, neither the other threads or posts made by other players. Could you, please, tell us what happened? Thanks in advance. No signature here, only the bright light of a ship exploding right in front of me... Ohhh, wait, I'm in a pod!! It was my ship!!!
princess katie Trinity Miner Acquisitions	Posted - 2008.03.17 06:53:00 - [661] Edited by: princess katie on 17/03/2008 06:53:33 With all the issues around and with all the fees CCP charge us, Dont you think this message is a little OTT Quote: The EVE cluster has reached its maximum user limit. Please try logging in again later. quote] I mean come on! what are we paying for?
Sma Cheradenine Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.03.17 07:28:00 - [662] I concur with the above - roll back the game to its pre-patch state.
Franga NQX Innovations	Posted - 2008.03.17 07:47:00 - [663] When will the API begin being functional again? Mine don't seem to be. Anyone else still not getting things like EVEMon and EFT not being able to get the info they want? Originally by: Rachel Vend ... with 100% reliability in most cases ...
Francis Dent State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.17 08:00:00 - [664] neither working for me.
Kwint Sommer Lothian Quay Industries Otaku Invasion	Posted - 2008.03.17 08:40:00 - [665] Originally by: Franga When will the API begin being functional again? Mine don't seem to be. Anyone else still not getting things like EVEMon and EFT not being able to get the info they want? It's been active since Friday's downtime. It works fine for me and everyone else I know. Try reinstalling and if that fails talk to your ISP. Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals
Princesse Qiao Dallas Company	Posted - 2008.03.17 08:58:00 - [666] Originally by: CCP Explorer In addition to my other replies: I've sent internal requests for the "1152x864 issue" to be reviewed, for a FPS comparison to be done and for the "Alt+Tab issue" investigated. Some have asked why there haven't been any dev responses here since the deployment. We have been investigating random node deaths as a top priority, working evenings, into the nights and this weekend. Sunday afternoon was my first opportunity to read the forums and respond to the issues raised here. This is an appalling admission. Frankly random node deaths take a massive second priority to what is going on with the patch - tho it sounds as if it's affecting your servers as badly as it is us.. (there is no such thing as coincidence in IT...). read your long suffering players' lips: ROLL IT BACK
Amadeus Minzart Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.17 09:11:00 - [667] Yes, please, roll it back. All the fun is gone. I can live without overview tabs, e-war notifications, open fleet invites and the other changes. I just want to fly my spaceship smoothly through the universe of EVE once again.
Erik D Dallas Company	Posted - 2008.03.17 09:20:00 - [668] Originally by: Princesse Qiao Originally by: DiseL I am having major problems running multiple clients on both my systems since patch. Lockups when tabbing back and forth between clients, eve.exe error on 2nd or third client, eve.exe error when hitting Esc in 2nd or third client. Others are getting this problem too. - Obviously a significant issue as it kills 'power of 2' .. However it is not universal it seems - we asked in two major hubs if others were having this issue. Pls feel free to evemail me if you are trying stuff, whether or not it achieves a fix. I will reply. Are you ever going to listen to the customers who pays you. My Computer: MS Windows Vista 64bit Intel core 2 Extreme CPU Q6850 3.0 Ghz Mem 4.0 Gb Nvida Geforce 8800 Ultra I cant run 2 char on my computer since Trinity 1.1 patch, so stop blaming bad computers and make a roll back before this stupid patch. Or have you hired people who writes stupid patches to kill the Game?
Vash Fusition Dallas Company	Posted - 2008.03.17 09:26:00 - [669] Originally by: Princesse Qiao Originally by: CCP Explorer In addition to my other replies: I've sent internal requests for the "1152x864 issue" to be reviewed, for a FPS comparison to be done and for the "Alt+Tab issue" investigated. Some have asked why there haven't been any dev responses here since the deployment. We have been investigating random node deaths as a top priority, working evenings, into the nights and this weekend. Sunday afternoon was my first opportunity to read the forums and respond to the issues raised here. This is an appalling admission. Frankly random node deaths take a massive second priority to what is going on with the patch - tho it sounds as if it's affecting your servers as badly as it is us.. (there is no such thing as coincidence in IT...). read your long suffering players' lips: ROLL IT BACK ROLL IT BACK Try to do something Right for a change
Lena A Womens Club	Posted - 2008.03.17 09:29:00 - [670] Originally by: Princesse Qiao Originally by: CCP Explorer In addition to my other replies: I've sent internal requests for the "1152x864 issue" to be reviewed, for a FPS comparison to be done and for the "Alt+Tab issue" investigated. Some have asked why there haven't been any dev responses here since the deployment. We have been investigating random node deaths as a top priority, working evenings, into the nights and this weekend. Sunday afternoon was my first opportunity to read the forums and respond to the issues raised here. This is an appalling admission. Frankly random node deaths take a massive second priority to what is going on with the patch - tho it sounds as if it's affecting your servers as badly as it is us.. (there is no such thing as coincidence in IT...). read your long suffering players' lips: ROLL IT BACK ------------------------- I agree ROLL IT BACK
Lusulpher Raddick Explorations Friend or Enemy	Posted - 2008.03.17 09:29:00 - [671] Originally by: Lady Karma Huge drop in FPS in some systems since patch. I can be flying through a busy system and land on a gate with about 20 ships, and hold a steady 50fps. Then I jump to a low sec system with only 8 in local and get 11fps Docking returns me to 120+..then undock...and hit 9fps. Nothing on grid, warp to safe spot...still 9 fps. On my little journey, I noticed this in about 1 out of 4 systems. Glad I wasn't having to fight anything Randomly losing 75% of performance in empty systems is something you should look in to. I'm also feeling that love. Oursalaert trade hub 11-20fps in space with 181 in system. Renyn, 7 in local 7-9fps I thought I was going crazy. Additionally, when I disable the station environment to get my fps spike, I get the exact same choppy performance as full settings! Used to get up to 25-30fps. Reupdated my drivers 3 times, so it's an EVE issue now. Running 6100 Geforce Nvidia card, that is the minimum for Trinity, maybe you need to turn off that background environment or notify me this is not minimum anymore. You can't fit a ship quickly or accurately at 6 fps Also windowed minimized EVE has same performance affect on my cursor in other programs...I'm baffled. When I undock my windows jump around and I have to find them...gets old really fast...especially countering a station camp due to a war. Didn't lose my BM folders this patch, but since I didn't bother to reorganize half of them from last patch, not an issue. Don't make me come to Iceland and throttle you guys. Yours Truthfully, a fan of your work Live and Let Die...All of it...null
Mika Brin Womens Club	Posted - 2008.03.17 09:32:00 - [672] Originally by: Princesse Qiao Originally by: CCP Explorer In addition to my other replies: I've sent internal requests for the "1152x864 issue" to be reviewed, for a FPS comparison to be done and for the "Alt+Tab issue" investigated. Some have asked why there haven't been any dev responses here since the deployment. We have been investigating random node deaths as a top priority, working evenings, into the nights and this weekend. Sunday afternoon was my first opportunity to read the forums and respond to the issues raised here. This is an appalling admission. Frankly random node deaths take a massive second priority to what is going on with the patch - tho it sounds as if it's affecting your servers as badly as it is us.. (there is no such thing as coincidence in IT...). read your long suffering players' lips: ROLL IT BACK Yes, ROLL IT BACK, NOW !!!!!!
Daan Sai HAZCON Inc	Posted - 2008.03.17 10:10:00 - [673] Originally by: Lusulpher My EVEMon has yet to update. I got my copy of EVEMon to work by generating a fresh API key and using the new one. Has anyone mentioned that you can't get info or market details on any skill you haven't already trained in your skill sheet. Makes it hard to read the requirements for other skills, and if you already have the skill the market details are not as useful! lol.
Starfinder principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2008.03.17 10:33:00 - [674] So CCP, when will the frame rate drop issue be fixed? Are you going to fix it or do you expect us to all buy new "uber" boxes?I can not believe that was not found during quality control testing. Please roll this patch back until you can solve this problem. If people can not play eve on their computer, they will not subscribe.
Princesse Qiao Dallas Company	Posted - 2008.03.17 10:45:00 - [675] Originally by: Daan Sai Originally by: Lusulpher My EVEMon has yet to update. I got my copy of EVEMon to work by generating a fresh API key and using the new one. Has anyone mentioned that you can't get info or market details on any skill you haven't already trained in your skill sheet. Makes it hard to read the requirements for other skills, and if you already have the skill the market details are not as useful! lol. Yes m8 the issue of evemon not working right was raised - Let's keep the message simple for now: Rollback the patch - plyrs pls sign. Ta
Erik D Dallas Company	Posted - 2008.03.17 11:01:00 - [676] Originally by: Princesse Qiao Originally by: Daan Sai Originally by: Lusulpher My EVEMon has yet to update. I got my copy of EVEMon to work by generating a fresh API key and using the new one. Has anyone mentioned that you can't get info or market details on any skill you haven't already trained in your skill sheet. Makes it hard to read the requirements for other skills, and if you already have the skill the market details are not as useful! lol. Yes m8 the issue of evemon not working right was raised - Let's keep the message simple for now: Rollback the patch - plyrs pls sign. Ta I dont know were to sign, but I sign anything to get this patch removed. I hope you dont mean that if you dont sign, nobody of the people responsable care about us who pay their salary, maybe we should fire them all.
Sma Zakalwe School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.17 11:17:00 - [677] Signed. I've not been able to play since deployment, I only started subscribing 4 days before the patch. Its getting beyond a joke now. Can we at least have an update from CCP on the FPS issue?
Mandack Mandack Corp	Posted - 2008.03.17 11:20:00 - [678] Originally by: DiseL I am having major problems running multiple clients on both my systems since patch. Lockups when tabbing back and forth between clients, eve.exe error on 2nd or third client, eve.exe error when hitting Esc in 2nd or third client. I too am unable to run more than one client since the patch on any of my systems. Tabbing after loading the second client locks the first and I have to kill it in task manager to continue.
Muscaat Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2008.03.17 11:26:00 - [679] Originally by: Starfinder So CCP, when will the frame rate drop issue be fixed? Are you going to fix it or do you expect us to all buy new "uber" boxes?I can not believe that was not found during quality control testing. Please roll this patch back until you can solve this problem. If people can not play eve on their computer, they will not subscribe. As someone who is unable to play the game due to the framerate drop: /signed
Moggy TheCat Arte et Labore	Posted - 2008.03.17 11:29:00 - [680] Originally by: Moggy TheCat i read through the 22 pages and without comment some issues 1) after log-in first undocking can cause to irritate the overview --( it tooks up to 2 mins for a full loaded overview / navigation menu 2) Character-Skills, setting "only show skill that i can currently train" right click -- on a skill that can be trained is missing ( no show info nothing) 3) where in the Patch-notes is the point that the Dread Guristas passiv shield hardener -- get nerft ( before the patch 40% resistance, after the patch 37,5% ) 4) the Game is more laggy and i got often a connection loss, since the boost patch 5) after opening a Fleet, the overview windows wents out of range so i have to dock -- to get it back 6) Cargo-Button, only open the cargo but dont close it as before the patch by clicking -- it again 7) after docking and undocking the overview settings are gone ... -- ( thats only at one corpmate, but regardless of the computer ) 8) before and after the patch , u cant put or take anything out or into -- a giant secure container within the corporate hangar array 9) since trinity and the premium grafic it is impossible to play two accounts on one -- Computer, it will stuck after a short time ( looks like a memory leak) 10) the torpedo nerf doesnt belongs to the NPC's ?? --- they hit you at 100km range and make damage ?!:-( 11) since the boost patch the second "Wanted" building in Rogue Drone Harrassment --- Lvl 4 went missing and you are not able to use the quick way to do the mission 11a) on that issue btw. all wrecks which hold the elite drone AI just vanishing after ---- a too short of time , they are useless but have to stay or the loot have to be ---- changed, if we dont have to loot the AI's ( same with metalscraps) found another one 12) as i rat down in 00 space i shot a bs and my drones handle a cruiser -- than i get a disconnect( not nice btw) and as i logged in--> a. my overview was out of screen , just see the bottom left corner and b. my drones were finished with the cruiser but i cant tractor it because it -- doesnt belongs to me, the owner was my corp because the drones done the job -- but neither my corpmate or me can tractor it because the wreck belongs to the drones --how stupid is that? ( i relogged to get back my overview and flew within 1500m to get the loot.... )
Rayne Jameson Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.03.17 11:41:00 - [681] agreed. ROLL IT BACK! /signed
El Covah LOCKDOWN. HUZZAH FEDERATION	Posted - 2008.03.17 14:13:00 - [682] The most annoying thing is the "overview moves out of screen" bug (when the windows move to random positions after session change) which makes the game almost unplayable for me atm. I already bugreported it. As CCP already posted here a lot of bugs already have been fixed internally. So: when can we expect a bugfix patch? Or has it not been scheduled yet?
nihlanth Nut House Dark Taboo	Posted - 2008.03.17 15:17:00 - [683] Are you guys serious? You cant just expect to have them roll it back especially since they made new ship changes? Im personally enjoying my Apoc with no fps issues and I would be gravely dissapointed to have them roll it back. And even if they do roll it back, what makes you think this would even fix these bugs? What makes you think that new bugs wont arise? You guys are just butthurt that your armor and shield resists are lower, get over it. Honestly, stop being so impatient - it is quite obvious they are working hard to fix these issues since we havent seen a single devblog since February. I havent had any problems with the new patch. DONT ROLL IT BACK.
BigFoot 78 The Incorporated Slavs	Posted - 2008.03.17 16:03:00 - [684] Edited by: BigFoot 78 on 17/03/2008 16:04:38 Edited by: BigFoot 78 on 17/03/2008 16:04:17 Jumping windows (join fleet), extra low perfomance (agentrunning in small system with local=70 is something like shooting in Jita), bugs with two and more windows, memory leaks and crashes in premium graphics... Hey, guys! We pay for it. Do you remember? Take timeout. Turn off game and solve all this sh.. oops If you don't have a solution - ROLL IT BACK.
Kwint Sommer Lothian Quay Industries Otaku Invasion	Posted - 2008.03.17 16:06:00 - [685] Originally by: nihlanth Are you guys serious? You cant just expect to have them roll it back especially since they made new ship changes? Im personally enjoying my Apoc with no fps issues and I would be gravely dissapointed to have them roll it back. And even if they do roll it back, what makes you think this would even fix these bugs? What makes you think that new bugs wont arise? You guys are just butthurt that your armor and shield resists are lower, get over it. Honestly, stop being so impatient - it is quite obvious they are working hard to fix these issues since we havent seen a single devblog since February. I havent had any problems with the new patch. DONT ROLL IT BACK. I'm not calling for them to roll it back quite yet but as someone who's second client perpetually freezes up and who is seriously affected by the changes to alt and the screwed up market quickbar I think I have a right to be ****ed. By the way, I'm happy with the ship changes and they could easily roll it back but keep those. The issue here is that I can't use 2 clients at once (nothing changed on my system except this patch) and they've screwed up things like the market quickbar which they claimed to have fixed on the internal server but apparently don't intend to fix on TQ for a while. Purchasing and Shipping Moon Minerals
clone 1 Laughing Leprechauns Corporation	Posted - 2008.03.17 16:20:00 - [686] Fix overview and fleet window positions please. That is all, for now. -------------------------------------------------- The Angels Have the Phone Box
Nekopyat Moons of Pluto	Posted - 2008.03.17 18:21:00 - [687] Originally by: Mika Brin Yes, ROLL IT BACK, NOW !!!!!! You do realize that rollbacks are often more dangerous then the move forward? I don't know what CCP's archetecture looks like, but often if you move a software version forward, esp with data changes (or even worse, data format changes) rollback means having to write a whole new set of conversions to put things back the way they were.. and each of those little conversions runs the chance of futher messing things up. They would, at minimal, have to do ANOTHER 14+ hours of downtime to again back up the databases and such. Trust me, rollbacks sound nice in theory but the details can be very, very sticky, esp when things are unstable AND you don't know what the cause of the problems is.
Aganemnon Pabro's Heavy Industry	Posted - 2008.03.17 18:36:00 - [688] Sorting of the goods in market quickbar was gone It is not assured, that I write there where it is necessary, but I have noticed a bug. In market quickbar after last updating now very inconvenient sorting (I at all have not understood how it is now sorted). Make please as was earlier. That sorting in market quickbar corresponded to sorting in wallet. Yours faithfully.
nihlanth Nut House Dark Taboo	Posted - 2008.03.17 18:55:00 - [689] Running two clients works perfectly fine for me. Just make sure your system isnt overclocked, and make sure that you set caching to NONE and make sure your interval is either set to default or immediate. (One of them works and the other doesn't, I forgot which one).
DogSlime Wilde Cards	Posted - 2008.03.17 19:20:00 - [690] "Boost" patch sucks for a number of reasons. Roll it back. Don't lie about "no nerfs" when a workable patch finally comes out. If there are nerfs, admit to it.
She Storm Founder's of the Dominion The Dominion Empire	Posted - 2008.03.17 19:30:00 - [691] Quote: Some have asked why there haven't been any dev responses here since the deployment. We have been investigating random node deaths as a top priority, working evenings, into the nights and this weekend. Thank you sir for at least replying
Lusulpher Raddick Explorations Friend or Enemy	Posted - 2008.03.17 19:35:00 - [692] Originally by: nihlanth Are you guys serious? You cant just expect to have them roll it back especially since they made new ship changes? Im personally enjoying my Apoc with no fps issues and I would be gravely dissapointed to have them roll it back. And even if they do roll it back, what makes you think this would even fix these bugs? What makes you think that new bugs wont arise? Honestly, stop being so impatient - it is quite obvious they are working hard to fix these issues since we havent seen a single devblog since February. I haven't had any problems with the new patch. DONT ROLL IT BACK. This is my opinion also EVEN with my EVE crushing my vision of playing. Going back would simply add more bugs, they are messing around with their code each time, it takes weeks to get bug-free patches of a crappy level, a sudden "fix" like this and you are looking at programming anarchy. Market also generates a high jump distance similar to scanner range on some orders. New API key on EVEMOn is not accepted, but that is not a big deal for me. NO ROLLBACK, HOTFIX LIKE A MOTHERF***! Live and Let Die...All of it...**null
Xuina Torre Black Reign	Posted - 2008.03.17 20:15:00 - [693] Originally by: nihlanth Running two clients works perfectly fine for me. Just make sure your system isnt overclocked, and make sure that you set caching to NONE and make sure your interval is either set to default or immediate. (One of them works and the other doesn't, I forgot which one). Running two clients worked on my pc before the patch, and I expect it to work after a patch without having to downgrade my settings. If I have to downgrade my settings to get the game to work as it used to, I can only conclude, that the patch is somehow bugged. I need caching to deal with lag in big fleet battles, so it isn't an option for me to run with no cache. /XT For now and forever I am "The Noob in the Red T-shirt" !! Questions ??

CCP Explorer C C P	Posted - 2008.03.17 21:06:00 - [694] Originally by: Ab Tallen The "random node death" thing is getting really ridiculous. Since the patch, systems have been falling over left and right in Fountain. Fixed in today's DT with the deployment of server-side change Trinity 1.1.0-4. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games


CCP Explorer C C P	Posted - 2008.03.17 21:08:00 - [695] Originally by: CCP Explorer I've sent internal requests for the "1152x864 issue" to be reviewed. This resolution has been added back (internally) and will be included in a future release. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Fader Bane Black Knight Buccaneers Daisho Syndicate	Posted - 2008.03.17 22:38:00 - [696] any talk about the inability to get past the splash screen as detailed in this thread: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=690297 I believe it is linked to the alt-tab issue and perhaps window mode specifically. ________________________________________
Jack Creme COBRA INC Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.03.17 23:31:00 - [697] I neither want a roll back or roll forward, just a fix to these screen problems... The fleet pushing the overview off the screen and the worst of all, the random white screens suddenly occurring... (Along white icons in the hanger) The PC & graphics card cannot barely handle a white screen and docking - if you can - does not reset it. Logging off doesn't reset it. I have to re-boot the pc to reset it, only to find its back in the next session... TBH its making eve unplayable for me...
Flaxley Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.03.17 23:52:00 - [698] Ok im glad to see that we are getting reponses to certain questions.. However please can CCP give a statement on the following as you seem to be skipping around the subject and have not give a clear answer at all. When will the FPS issue be looked into as like im sure many other thousand players if not all everyone has had a drop in FPS some more severe than others. Myself its pretty bad and a good day would 5-8fps in most situations fleet combat is just no go. Prior to patch i would achieve a healthy 35+ fps. So lets have a real answer to the above and not just answer the easy questions pls ccp
Princesse Qiao Dallas Company	Posted - 2008.03.18 00:01:00 - [699] I'd agree some things don't need rolling back, and yes it had occured to me that with the server-side changes they made last Friday would make such a thing hard if not impossible, but some of the changes made are clearly responsible for the client's instability - and these are prinicipally ui changes, which, yes, would require a lot of work server side to bring back to where we stood, but CCP need to understand how seriously we take this - the client having been rendered unstable is a core matter and as such renders the game unplayable. I also strongly suspect that a dogged attempt to make changes work rather than giving up on them and yes doing a ****load of donkey work only to put some things back the way they were is at the core of why things are taking so long to be worked out. More simply put in laymans terms = roll it back.
Traith Muir Guild of the Hand	Posted - 2008.03.18 01:12:00 - [700] The new patch provides: Auto Completion -- Most text fields now have a cached auto complete feature. It remembers your searches for those text fields and gives you matching previous inputs. How do you delete something from the auto completion? Is there a way to turn it off or clear the entire cache? Thanks Traith.
Admiral Himerias The White Star Consortium Tenth Legion	Posted - 2008.03.18 02:11:00 - [701] I agree with Flaxley. Appreciate CCP is beggining to work on these problems. But many of us are having absolutely HORRIBLE fps problems. Can we please have some acknowledgement that this will be worked on? Thankyou
princess katie Trinity Miner Acquisitions	Posted - 2008.03.18 06:13:00 - [702] Its kinda funny to see CCP,s latest advertising named "WINGMAN" and the question "why go it alone?" "Invite a friend". My answer to that is, with all these issues specialy not being able to run more than one account safley, Inviting a friend is the last thing I would do , as they wouldnt be a friend for long after installing this mess. The frp,s rate is so low all that happens is it take a long time to change accounts or you crash or die. CCP are refusing refunds and so the game has become a joke in the Field of MMORPG,s. If it wasnt already, as its the only game that the rules say report harassment, yet when people contiunuely kill you steal your items and never ever stop using bad language and innuendo and using corp and personal names that are discusting and also full of innuendo, when ccp continously allow whole systems to be devoured by macro miners and they in turn employe stronger charaters to harrass you if you complain about them. I charge CCP with not producing the Item they advertise, for not upholding the rules of the game themselves, for allowing the macro miners to work. For making it unbalenced in terms of making a living V someone harrassing you. And now you cant even have a second account to try and defend your self becuase ...........you crash through another "CCP has incured an error and will have to close"
Rassalon Simessa Republic Military School	Posted - 2008.03.18 06:34:00 - [703] Edited by: Rassalon Simessa on 18/03/2008 06:34:06 I don't intend this to be a negative or a flame or anything. But given the types of things I ship an unreliable client could mean the loss hundreds of millions or even billions of isk. So... I'm essentially not playing right now. However, my feelings on this are that I would prefer more stability rather than enhancements to the game. The cycle I observe is once the bugs are worked out where the game is reliable- a new patch comes out introducing new bugs. I'm getting random quits on three separate machines. Not fun.
Einor Deminre Kingfisher Industries	Posted - 2008.03.18 06:43:00 - [704] Same here, I havent logged on since "Boost" patch deployment. Cant play untill FPS issue is sorted.... I run lvl 4 missions, and I'm not going to risk my Megathron, because my FPS drop to 4, when I start locking targets.
Franga NQX Innovations	Posted - 2008.03.18 06:46:00 - [705] Originally by: Kwint Sommer Originally by: Franga When will the API begin being functional again? Mine don't seem to be. Anyone else still not getting things like EVEMon and EFT not being able to get the info they want? It's been active since Friday's downtime. It works fine for me and everyone else I know. Try reinstalling and if that fails talk to your ISP. kk - shall try. Originally by: Rachel Vend ... with 100% reliability in most cases ...
NeoShocker Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2008.03.18 07:07:00 - [706] Edited by: NeoShocker on 18/03/2008 07:09:30 While this patch is nifty. Alot of changes, however... There are also ALOT of unannounced changes. Be it buff or nerf or change of game mechanics. I formally request that CCP revise the INCOMPLETE patch list to a COMPLETE patch listings. Not one tiny buff or tiny nerf is left out. Server side and Client side, file location changes, even a short cut key change or so. But I know this isn't the first time it happened. Us players will appreciate it if we are told of all changes. So please, no more secrets. Even if the change is insignificant. :) I always thought that CCP wouldn't leave off any updates unmentioned when I first started Eve. Secrecy must stop! I object to be left out in the dark! ----------------------------------- Peace through power!
Tob'ias Sjodin Organized Crime Black Hand.	Posted - 2008.03.18 07:32:00 - [707] The good: * More overview configurations. * Auto-invite for fleets. * Good improvements on ships. The bad: * Overview configurations don't work properly. Moon brackets disappear, f.ex. * When you accept a fleet invitation and are in space, the fleet windows bump the overview out of screen (in 1680x1050). * The raptor-change did not merit a grid-nerf.
Princesse Qiao Dallas Company	Posted - 2008.03.18 09:10:00 - [708] Princess Katie I agree utterly - still can't use both my 2 accounts together. Still not a word from CCP about the urgent issues of multi-client stability and FPS fluctuations. How bout giving us access to serenity so we can play...? (Joke)
Erik D Dallas Company	Posted - 2008.03.18 09:29:00 - [709] Originally by: princess katie Its kinda funny to see CCP,s latest advertising named "WINGMAN" and the question "why go it alone?" "Invite a friend". My answer to that is, with all these issues specialy not being able to run more than one account safley, Inviting a friend is the last thing I would do , as they wouldnt be a friend for long after installing this mess. The frp,s rate is so low all that happens is it take a long time to change accounts or you crash or die. CCP are refusing refunds and so the game has become a joke in the Field of MMORPG,s. If it wasnt already, as its the only game that the rules say report harassment, yet when people contiunuely kill you steal your items and never ever stop using bad language and innuendo and using corp and personal names that are discusting and also full of innuendo, when ccp continously allow whole systems to be devoured by macro miners and they in turn employe stronger charaters to harrass you if you complain about them. I charge CCP with not producing the Item they advertise, for not upholding the rules of the game themselves, for allowing the macro miners to work. For making it unbalenced in terms of making a living V someone harrassing you. And now you cant even have a second account to try and defend your self becuase ...........you crash through another "CCP has incured an error and will have to close" Well said, I agree with all you say, princess katie. I ask all of you that pay good money to play this game to cancel your subsciptions. Maybe then we can get CCP to listen and if they do listen its only to reactivate the account again.
Wetchaser1 L.C. Textiles Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.18 10:42:00 - [710] Originally by: Sean Drake Ok since the last patch anytime I play EVE my gfx card fan kicks in at full power so much so that i can hear it over the case and cpu fans. I have a 8800GTX and allthough this does not appear to cause any problems so far the fact that crysis on Very High at 1960x1200 does not do this and yet EvE does has me a little worried. Card does appear to be heating up more as well and a corp mate also with the same card has the same issue any ideas. Thats crazy, my ati card was doing that right before i swapped 8800gtx in. The gtx now runs fairly silent, but game is taking longer to lock This crap is just not fair!!! Wetchaser
Opertone Rulers Of Mankind Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.18 12:07:00 - [711] Originally by: Sky Marshal Edited by: Sky Marshal on 17/03/2008 00:20:41 Hum... I don't know if it is only me but... Many times a day now, I have to stop engines, because the ship begin to move somewhere without I have to do a double-click. I play at windowed mode so there is sometimes wrong clicks caused by myself, but not at this rate. Also, sometimes when I click somewhere, the ship go to an another direction instead to follow where I click. A gangmate lost his ship this afternoon, by sending his ship to a direction who wasn't followed by the game (this ship go to the ennemy instead the invert direction ^^). Maybe it is only an impression, but I prefer create this post, in the case than some players can confirm the same problems. my ship has started moving randomly too... i have to stop it everytime, besides my ships started doing more 360 flips instead of going in a straight mode... creppy ship movements must be stopped
Sylthi Coreward Pan-Galactic	Posted - 2008.03.18 12:40:00 - [712] I too call for a full accounting, through a TRUE listing of the patch changes, that will include ALL the ways we have been screwed. I mean, if we MUST put up with all of these nerfs, AND all of the bugs, AND have no say in them what-so-ever, then at least CCP should have the decency to TELL us about them. That way we don't find out about them as a nifty "surprise" the next time we count on something and it doesn't work the way it used to. I.E. All the stealth elite module nerfs, etc. etc. And, in closing, I know I am screaming at a giant brick wall that could care less about me or my subscription money, and there is no way in hell the "balancing" devs are going to undo them, but please, for the love all that is holy, UNDO the freaking resist nerfs. PvEing several key factions now takes SIGNIFICANTLY longer than it used to. All you are going to do with theses changes is make people avoid missions with those factions, so what is the point? There. I'm done. I know it's hopeless once the "balancing" gods have spoken. But, I had to try one last time.... * *
Sylthi Coreward Pan-Galactic	Posted - 2008.03.18 12:56:00 - [713] Originally by: princess katie Its kinda funny to see CCP,s latest advertising named "WINGMAN" and the question "why go it alone?" "Invite a friend". Actually, to me this speaks volumes. This is only speculation, but educated speculation at that. Businesses only offer stuff for "free" when they have a reason to. Most commonly, when they want to promote a new item/service, or a long existing item/service that isn't doing so well sales wise. CCP offering this only a short time after a major patch debacle tells me that perhaps, just maybe, people HAVE been following up on their threats and canceling subs; en mass. I know about 5 of the people I normally play with have alreadyà. Maybe they arenÆt alone. Again, just speculation on my part. But, it makes sense to me. Of course, maybe I am just desperate to see some glimmer of hope somewhere that CCP is getting what they deserve. If I am right though, and people have left in droves, I say more power to them and "good show." I think more should join them. Even this five year veteran may if MANY of the atrocities visited upon the community with Trinity 1.1 are not corrected. Soon. NOT to be read: SOON(tm) Oh, and to Katie: "No." I wouldn't involve a friend in Eve right now either. Quite the opposite in fact. I would encourage them to stay away if they were really my friend. * *
Christiani Pator Tech School	Posted - 2008.03.18 13:20:00 - [714] Well, I've got to say, what a right c***-up this patch is. CCP are now behaving more like EA with their treatment of players. They way the Trinity 1.1 patch fiasco has gone, with constant extended downtimes, is nothing more than a joke. Why the hell did they release a patch with so many errors in it? I thought all this sort of stuff was tested before being released, or was it a case of deploy on such and such a date regardless of the finished product. Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. I find it no surprise that people are leaving the game, it's exactly the same way Electronic Arts messed up BF2, crappy patches. Come on CCP, get your act together, get Eve running correctly and in future, TEST the patches first!
princess katie Trinity Miner Acquisitions	Posted - 2008.03.18 13:21:00 - [715] Could not connect to the specified address. Odds are that you have not established an internet connection, the server isn't running, or the server address or port number was wrong. 1231>>>>1239 Todays downtime is extended for 30 minutes, due to a server hotfix. It is estimated that Tranquility will be open for business at 12:30 GMT Could not connect to the specified address. Odds are that you have not established an internet connection, the server isn't running, or the server address or port number was wrong. 1239>>>>1300 Todays downtime is extended for 45 minutes, due to a server hotfix. It is estimated that Tranquility will be open for business at 12:45 GMT Could not connect to the specified address. Odds are that you have not established an internet connection, the server isn't running, or the server address or port number was wrong. Todays downtime is extended, due to a server hotfix. It is estimated that Tranquility will be open for business at 14:00 GMT GOD I cant wait for D3 and a easy life on line.
Neraven al'Brindi Legacy State The Ascendent Dominion	Posted - 2008.03.18 13:22:00 - [716] Originally by: nihlanth Are you guys serious? You cant just expect to have them roll it back especially since they made new ship changes? Im personally enjoying my Apoc with no fps issues and I would be gravely dissapointed to have them roll it back. And even if they do roll it back, what makes you think this would even fix these bugs? What makes you think that new bugs wont arise? You guys are just butthurt that your armor and shield resists are lower, get over it. Honestly, stop being so impatient - it is quite obvious they are working hard to fix these issues since we havent seen a single devblog since February. I havent had any problems with the new patch. DONT ROLL IT BACK. I think you would think completely different if they had nerfed the apoc instead of "balancing" it. But to start flinging names at people who have their own grievances will only prevent the message were trying to raise from gaining credit, and shows a low level of intelligence ( If you have to do it then save the smack talk for local). I think that ships in the game that were enhanced during the last patch did not need the enhancement. If you need to fit modules to increase your cap or PG then so what, adapt thats part of the fun of EvE. But to purposely select ships that were, imo, already formidable and give them a steroid boost, well thats stupid. Why not do it for the Gallante and the Minmatar too! But I do agree that rolling the patch back wouldn't solve anything, and would probably only cause further headaches, and i also appreciate that CCP are working to correct issues that have arrisen so far.
Nekopyat Moons of Pluto	Posted - 2008.03.18 14:05:00 - [717] Originally by: Sylthi Actually, to me this speaks volumes. This is only speculation, but educated speculation at that. Businesses only offer stuff for "free" when they have a reason to. Most commonly, when they want to promote a new item/service, or a long existing item/service that isn't doing so well sales wise. I have my own guess here. I am guessing that they had scheduled the Wingman offer to come out right after 'interest' generated by the 5th alliance tournament and the 'boost' patch. So the gears were probably in motion before the patch blew up in their face. From CCP's perspective, this would be a terrible time to try a ploy like this unless it was already started. You do not want an influx of new players while you are having software issues.
Darth Felin Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.03.18 16:01:00 - [718] Originally by: Princesse Qiao Princess Katie I agree utterly - still can't use both my 2 accounts together. Still not a word from CCP about the urgent issues of multi-client stability and FPS fluctuations. How bout giving us access to serenity so we can play...? (Joke) Well maybe there is still not a word because it is hard to detect root of the problems. For example I use premium client and does not have ANY troubles with using multiple accounts. BTW I my computer is not top end and is relativly old.
JitaCitizen 72395 Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.03.18 16:11:00 - [719] Thanks to CCP Explorer for confirming alot of these issues have been fixed or solved already. Is there any ETA on having the Starbase API working again? I'm sure you can imagine it is quite an issue for those who have migrated to new API-based tools for corp management, only to find those tools disabled.
Sylthi Coreward Pan-Galactic	Posted - 2008.03.19 00:49:00 - [720] Originally by: Nekopyat I have my own guess here. I am guessing that they had scheduled the Wingman offer to come out right after 'interest' generated by the 5th alliance tournament and the 'boost' patch. So the gears were probably in motion before the patch blew up in their face. From CCP's perspective, this would be a terrible time to try a ploy like this unless it was already started. You do not want an influx of new players while you are having software issues. You are prolly right. It was just wishful thinking on my part like I said. After all, sweet justice is a rare commodity now days. But, if you are right, it would have been prudent of them to cancel the free promotion roll out, for the exact same reasons you list, don't you think? I dunno. Just me being mindlessly hopeful that CCP is finally seeing some indications that a significant portion of the community is NOT happy. I find my mindless optimism that CCP will eventully reap what they sow is an effective counter to their carless patch work. At least, it works for me. Anywho, back to attempting to run missions at 9 fps. Fly safe and free all! * *
Princesse Qiao Dallas Company	Posted - 2008.03.19 00:53:00 - [721] Originally by: JitaCitizen 72395 Thanks to CCP Explorer for confirming alot of these issues have been fixed or solved already. {...} quote] Hmm .. Where?? OK we'll take you at your word - quick test coming up...
Princesse Qiao Dallas Company	Posted - 2008.03.19 01:22:00 - [722] w00t - alt tabbed many times with no lockup, alt-esc'd couple of times too (two clients currently running in the background since my last post..) .. could this be what we have been dreaming of for the past week? Longer test in the morning with some real pressure on the clients .. Why oh why don't CCP follow standard outage procedures and notify specific fixes so ppl can test? That's what we do in other IT support... sigh
Princesse Qiao Dallas Company	Posted - 2008.03.19 09:00:00 - [723] Originally by: Princesse Qiao w00t - alt tabbed many times with no lockup, alt-esc'd couple of times too (two clients currently running in the background since my last post..) .. could this be what we have been dreaming of for the past week? Longer test in the morning with some real pressure on the clients .. Why oh why don't CCP follow standard outage procedures and notify specific fixes so ppl can test? That's what we do in other IT support... sigh Still happening. Context: browsing outside while waiting for one client to redock. Think it happened as the char docked: massive write to pagefile then client no longer accessible. Still showing as OK in task manager, but unable to switch to it. Over a week now...
JitaCitizen 72395 Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.03.19 09:38:00 - [724] Originally by: Princesse Qiao Originally by: JitaCitizen 72395 Thanks to CCP Explorer for confirming alot of these issues have been fixed or solved already. {...} Hmm .. Where?? OK we'll take you at your word - quick test coming up... If you read the last few pages of this thread you'll see that several issues have been fixed on the development build or via server hotfixes: including missing display resolutions, random node deaths, missing jump drive effects and the cargo button problem. CCP Explorer also stated that the fps/alt-tab issues are being looked at now. They're obviously not fixed on the live server because we haven't had a patch yet, but at least we have confirmation a fix it coming.
Rethie State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.19 10:37:00 - [725] I posted a few pages ago and several days ago, I am running at minimum graphics and CPU is still at 100%, nothing else running like mentioned before. It's killing my video card Somethings seriously wrong with this program in its GUI Please fix
Princesse Qiao Dallas Company	Posted - 2008.03.19 11:04:00 - [726] {Re. Post from Caldari Citizen} Thanks CC - seen the CCP post on p23 again now - actually saw them at the time but was too incensed at the admission that this forum had not been read til Sunday to take the content on board properly. Well let's hope they get to the bottom of this soon or I'm gonna have to think of dumping an account.
princess katie Trinity Miner Acquisitions	Posted - 2008.03.19 11:05:00 - [727] ROFLAO Quote: They're obviously not fixed on the live server because we haven't had a patch yet, but at least we have confirmation a fix it coming. This is what this is all about, there stupid incompedent patches. gezzzzzzzzzz
TLani EugeniCorp	Posted - 2008.03.19 11:21:00 - [728] LOOK!!! Its real simple! I have been very patient while I waited for CCP to fix this mess they have created. Now it has came to the point that I WILL NOT pay for another month of game play if I cant play! One other thing you better think about CCP. You do have competition coming down the road. Does the name Jump Portal mean anything to you? They are in beta testing now and will be releasing hopefully soon. I came, I saw, I cloaked!!!
abbagabba Monster Raving Loonies	Posted - 2008.03.19 11:28:00 - [729] This patch has caused me lots of problems: 1) Terrible FPS on main computer and laptop (workaround is to play using overview only with the star map open) 2) Alt-tab is crashing clients (workaround, set cache to 0, seems to prevent this) 3) Moon icons cannot be made visible on the screen (Alt-Z would be fine instead of Alt but it doesn't make moons visible) 4) Overview/Selected Item can get pushed off screen by fleet invites, needs constant rearrangement. 5) Lots of other annoying bugs I've bug reported personally still unfixed. One that clobbers me all the time is the contracts item selection box not behaving nicely with other open windows. Kill mails still aren't recording GSCs properly (I got this added as as a known bug a few months ago, are accurate kill mails not quite an important issue? Every time multiple containers are blown up they don't appear on the kill mail). When you see announcements about the most trivial of issues but no proper mention of game breaking issues and serious long term bugs then it gets pretty frustrating. Proper acknowledgement of issue 1 and 2 is required at this point, almost one week after halving many of your players FPS. You guys could have flown one of your customers computers in for testing by now if you cant reproduce this problem internally.
Bean Counter Starfinder Corp	Posted - 2008.03.19 13:49:00 - [730] Originally by: abbagabba This patch has caused me lots of problems: 1) Terrible FPS on main computer and laptop (workaround is to play using overview only with the star map open) 2) Alt-tab is crashing clients (workaround, set cache to 0, seems to prevent this) 3) Moon icons cannot be made visible on the screen (Alt-Z would be fine instead of Alt but it doesn't make moons visible) 4) Overview/Selected Item can get pushed off screen by fleet invites, needs constant rearrangement. 5) Lots of other annoying bugs I've bug reported personally still unfixed. One that clobbers me all the time is the contracts item selection box not behaving nicely with other open windows. Kill mails still aren't recording GSCs properly (I got this added as as a known bug a few months ago, are accurate kill mails not quite an important issue? Every time multiple containers are blown up they don't appear on the kill mail). When you see announcements about the most trivial of issues but no proper mention of game breaking issues and serious long term bugs then it gets pretty frustrating. Proper acknowledgement of issue 1 and 2 is required at this point, almost one week after halving many of your players FPS. You guys could have flown one of your customers computers in for testing by now if you cant reproduce this problem internally. ^^^^ Signed for truth.
BigFoot 78 The Incorporated Slavs	Posted - 2008.03.19 14:02:00 - [731] Almost 2 days left since last GM(dev) reply... Game still unplayable.
Komaito AFK	Posted - 2008.03.19 14:19:00 - [732] IGB bookmarks deleted again. ------------------------------------ radiation... too much radiation...
Zimmerious Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.19 21:25:00 - [733] I canceled my account until the FPS issue is resolved, seems like a logical choice since I'm unable to play it after the patch. No hard feelings though, once it's resolved I'll be ready to jump right back in.
Admiral Himerias The White Star Consortium Tenth Legion	Posted - 2008.03.19 21:43:00 - [734] I may do the same. The fps issue is ridiculous.
Sporolichimisu	Posted - 2008.03.19 22:09:00 - [735] Originally by: TLani LOOK!!! Its real simple! I have been very patient while I waited for CCP to fix this mess they have created. Now it has came to the point that I WILL NOT pay for another month of game play if I cant play! One other thing you better think about CCP. You do have competition coming down the road. Does the name Jump Portal mean anything to you? They are in beta testing now and will be releasing hopefully soon. Got a url for that beta? Might as well beta test for free...
Wetchaser1 L.C. Textiles Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.19 23:17:00 - [736] So we get any good news yet? Ahh peeps quiting....Cant say i blame ya. Kinda hard to play a game that wont run for more then 2 minutes at a time. SO CCP, HOW MUCH LONGER AM I EXPECTED TO WAIT? SHOULD I REALLY HAVE TO PAY FOR 2 ACCOUNTS WHEN I CAN ONLY PLAY EM ONE AT A TIME BECAUSE OF CHANGES YOU MADE? Wetchaser
Flaxley Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.03.20 01:18:00 - [737] bump again ccp still no joy , i have low fps and you answered my petition but i dont know how many i can say this i have a good connection and a good computer , look closer to home on this ok and give us all an answer even if just to say your looking into. Everyone im sure agrees out of all of the bugs going on right now this is by far the most serious.
Gonnosuke Akita Research Enterprises Inc.	Posted - 2008.03.20 01:33:00 - [738] There are so many people having serious issues with the game, I'm really wondering what went wrong with this patch. Some of these issues are making the game more or less unplayable and aren't just minor bugs. The FPS issue, the bugged overview elements, the ice refining bugs that could be a serious problem for POS owners, etc. pp. Seeing things like the "Wingman" offer seems like a bad joke from the marketing department in light of these issues. And I don't even want to think about what's going to get introduced to the game in terms of bugs and beta-stage game elements when CCP is going to implement real major changes like the ambulation project in the future... I'm just a bit tired of the habit to introduce new content while parts of the old content are still buggy. I'm losing interest, maybe the competition has better QA to offer... Jumpgate Evolution anyone?
Mulciber Toonces Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2008.03.20 03:06:00 - [739] Edited by: Mulciber Toonces on 20/03/2008 03:08:19 Edited by: Mulciber Toonces on 20/03/2008 03:06:51 I am going out on a limb here, but I believe this is comparable to how recalls work. If you haven't see Fight Club do so now. . . now you know what I am talking about. If Y equals the income from people not experiencing problems, and X equals the cost to correct the problem then if X<Y nothing is done to correct the problem (something to that effect). CCP is calculating how much it would cost to correct the problem for a select few, if it is enough to hurt them then they will (try to) correct the problem, if they can make do with the lucky player's who are not experiencing problems incomes then they will give us the big up yours. Sorry about the jumbled mess but I think everyone catches my drift, if not just call me a poo fingered hoser.
Bean Counter Starfinder Corp	Posted - 2008.03.20 10:27:00 - [740] Could we get an update on the FPS issue? Are you going to be able to fix it? If yes, what is the expected date?If no, please post the new minimum requirements for Eve.
Rethie State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.20 10:50:00 - [741] Not sure whether this has anything to do with it, but I re- installed Visual C++ and now the game crashes, was working bugged as mentioned before with staggering slow FPS, installed C++ for other reasons, ran the game, now nothing. Squat, connection lost, Eve exe has entcountered a problem !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
princess katie Trinity Miner Acquisitions	Posted - 2008.03.20 11:04:00 - [742] Ok sighsss , what now up with the ATI cards and why are they artifacing? and plsss dont say its our cards. Because IT ISNT!
Rethie State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.20 12:17:00 - [743] Edited by: Rethie on 20/03/2008 12:22:31 OK, so now after this re install of C++ and crash, while in down time, I intstalled MS windows updates, .NET framework and Root certificates, Peer Name Resolution Protocol. Logging back in after DT my frame rate in station has settled at 100 adv. Flight it is 70 now (up from 15-20) and in Roid belt with about 300 cans, 52. Did the devs fix something or have I stumbled on fix? Before was 15-20fps on classic Sorry forgot to mention this is now with premium graphics on Dither off, cache low, Shadow normal, Hdr off,
Drykor Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.03.20 21:19:00 - [744] For the love of god, bring back the alt key. Ridiculous change.
Ephemeral Waves In terrorem KIA Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.20 22:14:00 - [745] Any update on the random overview resorting? I did bug-report it but never got a reply.
Dario Kaelenter ACME HARDWARE	Posted - 2008.03.21 01:36:00 - [746] Originally by: Komaito IGB bookmarks deleted again. I had same issue though I managed to find that in the patch they kind of backed up the current settings to a degree. I found they created a "cache_backup0" in the program folder such as D:\Program Files\CCP\EVE\cache_backup0 which had a Browser folder containing the txt files which contain these Book marks. Copying them to the current Program Files\CCP\EVE\cache\Browser folder and you should be all set. Yay for undocumented backups On other topics .... moving windows after every undock is REALLY wearing thin and feeling like your flying through molases does not encourage continued play. So how long do we have to endure all these new bugs ... and in some cases (such as online ppl in addy book being shown as Offline in chat windows!!) old bugs that were once fixed tho seem to have resurfaced ... * starts wondering about revision control proceedures or lack there of ?! *
Lyra Sy	Posted - 2008.03.21 07:30:00 - [747] (I've previous posts on page 4 and 11) A tale of Two Clients Our story thus far: The intrepid EVE player has major performance issues on his WinXP media center box and has lost his settings files again. He fights back by finding and restoring his settings files and dropping both clients back to classic graphics mode (with cache set to Large). The game is uglier but almost playable -almost. And thus begins our Clash of the Clients. Below is the wide and varied list in which the classic clients seem to attack one another once both are started. Client 1 starts fine and runs for awhile. On startup of Client #2 it fails with a Windows Error. (Before the 1.1 patch this would still happen when running to premium clients, but every time the Task Manager would show the first client had already oonsumed 500 Mb of memory. This shouldn't be a problem though since the machine has been upgraded to 2Gb. In the past relogging both clients solved the problem. Client 1 starts fine, Client 2 tries to start up but can't get to the login screen because it seems to immediately start fighting with the first client over something -perhaps a file or the screen focus despite both being in windowed mode. You can tell this is happening because both clients lockup and the task bar shows both EVE icons flickering madly back and forth. Only recourse is to wait it out. Eventually, the login screen will come up on the 2nd client, the fight stops, and then you finally have the option of shutting down one or both clients. Client 1 starts fine, Client 2 logs in with ship already in space, but the background is pure white and frame rate drops to 1 to 2 fps. Solution is to relog both clients. Client 1 is up and running fine. Client 2 is up and running fine. Suddenly one of the clients starts having problems loading things or getting the server to respond and eventually disconnects. Review of the task manager shows one or both clients over 500Mb mem. WinXP must have some kind of per process memory limit of 500 Mb perhaps? This seems to be a reoccuring theme. Client 2 starts up fine. Client one starts up but login screen isn't visible. Alt-tabbing shows a "zooming" effect indicating the task is returning from minimized mode which shouldn't be happening with both in windowed mode. Belatedly I realize the last d/c aka crash might have gotten one of the clients into full screen mode. Solution: Delete the pc.dat settings file for client #1. Now client starts fine. Client 1 starts up fine. Client 2 starts fine and my ship starts in space and warps to the POS. But attempting to interact with my labs or silos is impossible. Client 2 soon thereafter d/c. Relog client 2 and again it immediately disconnects. Purging the caches and pc.dat files on both clients seems to fix the problem. Conclusions I've never seen EVE act up this badly. This game has always been rock stable for me while running two clients as long as I stayed in windows mode. Except for the first reported scenario, all the others started with patch 1.1 and my fall back to classic mode. Because of all the problems listed above, it is now very problematic to get both clients running at the same time. I've even tried adding the command line args "/end /LUA:OFF" back to my shortcuts w/ my setting files copied to the new locations and this hasn't seemed to help. Now even when I log in the 2 clients one right after the other, the 2nd client will likely throw a Windows error and refuse to show the login screen. My first account has been cancelled although there's still a week left before it expires. I do hope CCP makes some effort to fix this mess before the week is out or I will probably cancel my 2nd account as well.
Oldariel Mrawlaak	Posted - 2008.03.21 09:27:00 - [748] I seem to be one of the luckier ones with the patch. The performance has improved on my client, I had neither IGB's nor any major window or overview settings, so I wasn't really affected by them getting deleted. And the most important thing, the windows for modifying and placing orders now take almost no time to load. Before the patch it was about 10 sec for the windows to become available, now it happens almost instantly. Anyone else seen such an improvement? Or could this be due to the clearing of the cache, which I have never done before, but the patching process probalby did? I feel sympathetic towards the people having all those major issues, I'm just happy I don't. Doesn't mean I won't have any in the next patch though.
paleiades	Posted - 2008.03.21 13:23:00 - [749] okay guys, I've got the Boost Patch for the bugs any chance of a Boost Patch for the game now :) pax
Fastercart Ihatalo Heavy Industries Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.21 14:54:00 - [750] Originally by: Lyra Sy (with cache set to Large). Have you tried lowering cache to Normal or Low? How about your Shadow quality? __ Rorqual AKA Mega Maid Oh, my God. It's Mega Maid. She's gone from suck to blow.
fishblades GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.03.21 18:31:00 - [751] Edited by: fishblades on 21/03/2008 18:32:16 Edited by: fishblades on 21/03/2008 18:31:51 Originally by: Flaxley just to add my name to this list i have dropped from 30-40 --> 8-10 fps What really makes no sense about the FPS issue is it comes and goes between systems. K-9 and D4- in feyth are pretty laggy and almost unplayable, it feels like I'm in a fleet battle or in jita. However if I jump into 2-R which is next door to K-9 my FPS goes back to how it was before the patch and runs fine. How can I be so laggy in one system, then one jump away my computer runs fine. There are lots of systems where FPS isn't an issue but they are far less than the systems that are an issue. K-9 to 77s is about 14 jumps and on the route I hit 2-3 systems where magically my computer runs eve like it always has. It makes no sense and I don't envy the devs trying to figure out what is happening to the FPS. Here are some screenshots I took on my way to 77s, look at the difference between ZID and OBK.. its ridiculous and makes no sense. in station FPS is fine. http://i26.tinypic.com/raq5qu.png undock - FPS instantly drops to 9 FPS! http://i31.tinypic.com/4fxx0i.png zid - gets a little better but still terrible. http://i26.tinypic.com/vqgxva.png obk - hey look I fixed the FPS bug by jumping into a new system amazing! http://i25.tinypic.com/becy35.png
Miyamoto Uroki	Posted - 2008.03.21 22:26:00 - [752] Edited by: Miyamoto Uroki on 21/03/2008 22:26:13 @CCP: As for the fps issue, check if there is a relationship between lag in systems and moon count in said systems. Or no moons, no lag. It seems to be the problem. Maybe because of your removal of Alt key function, that showed the moons previously, but has now been removed. Might be that some programmer messed with the code there. Also it's true that if you activate the universe map, the lag is gone. Originally by: Puupuu dude... your face
Wetchaser1	Posted - 2008.03.21 23:23:00 - [753] Apparently hard shutting down locked eve clients hos'es the registry some were. I did it so many times client had refused to open after a complete removal of anything eve related anywere on pc (outside of registry) and a fresh install of client. Bit the bullet and reformatted pc. Was actually quite easy since i remembered the procedure so well from when my windows .ini er .exe got hosed from a few patches ago......... Comon CCP take some notes here.........stop testing patches on the masses. Game now uses less then 20% cpu but lagg is baad. Wetchaser
Davis Valdran Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.03.22 03:16:00 - [754] Edited by: Davis Valdran on 22/03/2008 03:17:26 Quote: I wish people would stop complaining about an patch issue, and continue to say 'oh im thinking of leaving eve... blah blah blah' Some things wont quite be the same after they play with the proramming of the game, I am positive they try to reduce the chance of this happening. If you cant handle some changes when there is a patch, than either shut up or just dont play the game. Not start whining on the forums. Leave the space for someone who has an actual issue with the game that needs pointing out to the devs. If you cant handle patches not happening exactly as planned, or little things changing, than please go write your own game and see if you can get it to be better than eve. And Please do not have mistakes in it. Than you can tell us all about it and we will go try out your game! What an attitude , I used to play eve quite alot a year back and there were never as many problems as what Im reading about now. I have also noticed since I come back that people tend to take anyone who has a legitimate complaint regarding quality or game function as a paying customer to be branded a whiner. This is patch feedback no? Lots of people have issues and its better they dont get made to feel like they cant say for people looking to flame them. If we want to go down this road why not just change the thread to "Tell us what we want to hear feedback" Im glad of threads like this its helping me find fixes and other things I can be checking and its helped me make sure my system is running good for eve. Please keep up the honest feedback and rather than brand people whiners , say whats good about the patch and what new contents been added, thats much more constructive.
ED209X	Posted - 2008.03.22 09:44:00 - [755] Originally by: CCP Nozh I have no idea why this wasn't in the patch notes. Basically high-meta shield amplifiers got rebalanced based on meta level and normal shield hardeners trends. Everyone is looking past the CPU usage which was changed also, to the better. This is how the old cpu / resistance was. You'll notice quickly how everything is pretty much random. Tobias', Gistum, Hakim's shield amplifiers are completely useless, and being dropped as high level meta loot. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. First thing people frown upon when taking a look at the new shield amplifiers is the caldari navy, dread guristas changes. However if you take a look at normal shield hardeners and their Faction counterparts they follow the exact same trend. Same resistance but lower CPU. Please visit your user settings to re-enable images. I apologize for the lack of information about these changes in the patch notes. No idea how it slipped passed us. So its a Nerf, Boost patch, Ha!
Sean Drake Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.03.23 05:25:00 - [756] Originally by: CCP Nozh I have no idea why this wasn't in the patch notes. I apologize for the lack of information about these changes in the patch notes. No idea how it slipped passed us. I'm guessing baecause then your PR department could not have sent out all those e-mails and news reports saying this was a %100 boost patch with no nerfs at all. Just a hunch If Goons AND BoB are agreeing with each other that your idea is stupid, it's probably stupid.
Lyta Reimalken No Fear Buccaneers	Posted - 2008.03.23 10:00:00 - [757] Give me my damned alt key back. This sucks. Quite apart from the obvious 'what was wrong with it before!?' I am now in the situation of not engaging in pvp because I cant be bothered scanning down some guy only to find that he is in a pos i cant directly locate. :(
Andresky Frankfurt Industry and Defence Trust	Posted - 2008.03.23 19:29:00 - [758] Can we have an update please, whats happening next? Will there be a fix soon, fixing our FPS problem? It's nearly unplayable... erm, it IS unplayabled on most machines now. Thanks!
Queen Dragon Dragon's Keep	Posted - 2008.03.23 20:13:00 - [759] It would probably be a good idea if everyone with problems that revent them from playing EVE in a fashion that is comfortable would demand credit for the time from patch day until it is fixed. That's what I intend to do. Money talks and if they have to credit everyone (or most) for several weeks of time they might get the point. If they don't credit me it will be the last they will see of me and my two accounts. I hope others feel the same way.
Andresky Frankfurt Industry and Defence Trust	Posted - 2008.03.24 03:11:00 - [760] Originally by: Queen Dragon It would probably be a good idea if everyone with problems that revent them from playing EVE in a fashion that is comfortable would demand credit for the time from patch day until it is fixed. That's what I intend to do. Money talks and if they have to credit everyone (or most) for several weeks of time they might get the point. If they don't credit me it will be the last they will see of me and my two accounts. I hope others feel the same way. Me too!
TLani EugeniCorp	Posted - 2008.03.24 05:42:00 - [761] Originally by: Queen Dragon It would probably be a good idea if everyone with problems that revent them from playing EVE in a fashion that is comfortable would demand credit for the time from patch day until it is fixed. That's what I intend to do. Money talks and if they have to credit everyone (or most) for several weeks of time they might get the point. If they don't credit me it will be the last they will see of me and my two accounts. I hope others feel the same way. I agree. The 29th is when my account is due to be billed for another month. I have already revoked permission for them to bill me until this is fixed. I am tired of chasing windows all over the place everytime I dock or undock. I came, I saw, I cloaked!!!
princess katie Trinity Miner Acquisitions	Posted - 2008.03.24 07:42:00 - [762] well its for sure there still not fixed . all I keep getting when using 2 accounts is " ccp has an error and has to close" and its like impossible sometimes to change windows, so I ask you this CCP. What is the point of having 2 accounts apart from you that is, getting double the income. Im sure that is getting close to fraud.
Bean Counter Starfinder Corp	Posted - 2008.03.24 16:17:00 - [763] Edited by: Bean Counter on 24/03/2008 16:14:47 Are you ever going to respond the FPS issue? Are you working on a fix? Do you even care about us as customers?
Alex Under Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2008.03.24 20:40:00 - [764] Originally by: Bean Counter Are you ever going to respond the FPS issue? Are you working on a fix? Do you even care about us as customers? CCP, An answer to this question would be most appreciated. An update or ETA would be nice.
Cihl Astro Dogs	Posted - 2008.03.24 21:40:00 - [765] Could find anything relevant with the search function for these forums, so... Has anyone heard something about the Linux client (the official one) crashing on startup? It won't get past the splash screen since the latest patch was installed. I tried reinstalling the whole thing, but no success so far. I haven't been able to play at all since that patch. :-( Here's the error messages i'm getting: 0004: Bad stuff: client ignore setting select events for 0x9004fc74 to 1 0004: Bad stuff: client ignore setting select events for 0x9004fc74 to 0 <last two lines repeats loads of times> X Error of failed request: BadValue (integer parameter out of range for operation) Major opcode of failed request: 135 (XFree86-VidModeExtension) Minor opcode of failed request: 10 (XF86VidModeSwitchToMode) Value in failed request: 0x360034a Serial number of failed request: 3558 Current serial number in output stream: 3560 Anyone?
Crux Australis MotorSaikol LadrUNZ G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.03.25 02:15:00 - [766] Good evening, one week passed and I am still stuck not being able to play (and down a monitor which died during the nth machine freeze caused by eve, but let's pretend that this did not happen). Have you guys got a clue on what happened with this patch deployement for me and many other users who got crippled with horrible performance or left unable to play? Hello? Is there anybody out there? Originally by: Mynas Atoch The contract with BOB over Period Basis served us no further, so we tore it up and binned it.
Hilbert Space Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2008.03.25 09:28:00 - [767] Edited by: Hilbert Space on 25/03/2008 09:28:35 Also still sitting here unable to play the game properly. I suggest to send every single day a bug report like 'Still terrible FPS...'. Every. Single. Day. If more and more people will do it - maybe they wake up?! Originally by: Crux Australis Good evening, one week passed and I am still stuck not being able to play (and down a monitor which died during the nth machine freeze caused by eve, but let's pretend that this did not happen). Have you guys got a clue on what happened with this patch deployement for me and many other users who got crippled with horrible performance or left unable to play? Hello? Is there anybody out there?
Vash Fusition Dallas Company	Posted - 2008.03.25 11:44:00 - [768] Originally by: Crux Australis Good evening, one week passed and I am still stuck not being able to play (and down a monitor which died during the nth machine freeze caused by eve, but let's pretend that this did not happen). Have you guys got a clue on what happened with this patch deployement for me and many other users who got crippled with horrible performance or left unable to play? Hello? Is there anybody out there? Sorry to see that no responds are made from CCP. I had expected some words now when Easter is passed. The only thing I can see is CCP:s attemt to form a council of players so that CCP can blame somebody else in the Future. Since CCP:S statement clearly says: "It cannot be stressed enough that the council will not have any formal power within CCP; it will function solely as an advisory council to CCP by serving as a communication conduit between the playerbase and CCP". Its clear by now that CCP doesnt listen to us players and doesnt inform us on whats going on, if anything. So what else could a council do? but take the blame for future mistakes? Even if CCP doesnt know how to handle all the problems caused by the last patch, it would be more honest to us customers to say so. At least Im happy to see that those players, without problems, has stoped writing, maybe because the payout from CCP has ended? I have cancelled all my accounts and will not renew them until something is done to correct this patch and make the game playable again.
Princesse Qiao Dallas Company	Posted - 2008.03.25 12:29:00 - [769] Originally by: Queen Dragon It would probably be a good idea if everyone with problems that revent them from playing EVE in a fashion that is comfortable would demand credit for the time from patch day until it is fixed. That's what I intend to do. Money talks and if they have to credit everyone (or most) for several weeks of time they might get the point. If they don't credit me it will be the last they will see of me and my two accounts. I hope others feel the same way. *signed*
Boogerbuster State War Academy	Posted - 2008.03.25 15:58:00 - [770] And yet another day with crappy FPS and no response from CCP. :((
Fastercart Ihatalo Heavy Industries Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.25 17:37:00 - [771] http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=728646&page=1#21 Originally by: CCP Lingorm We are looking into the reported frame rate problems. The issue is we have no solid reproduction case for it. We also have conflicting results in that while some people report FPS reduction, others with the same cards report a gain in FPS, this added to the fact that their was no major changes in the Graphics engine in this patch makes it very hard to comment on or even find the issue that is causing some people to experience this. I dunno why they didn't post this on this thread. __ Rorqual AKA Mega Maid Oh, my God. It's Mega Maid. She's gone from suck to blow.
Andresky Frankfurt Industry and Defence Trust	Posted - 2008.03.25 17:49:00 - [772] Edited by: Andresky on 25/03/2008 17:55:14 Edited by: Andresky on 25/03/2008 17:49:40 Yep... still lousy FPS here too! 11 FPS in station (!) where I had 25 before the "Boost-Patch". Erm, what has been boosted? @ CCP: I think you're currently investigating and fixing our problems - anyway - please can someone just post a current status, since the game is (nearly) unplayable for many of us here! [url=http://www.fotos-hochladen.net/view/20080325175249zw5jua8p.jpg][/url]

CCP Explorer C C P	Posted - 2008.03.25 17:53:00 - [773] Originally by: JitaCitizen 72395 Thanks to CCP Explorer for confirming alot of these issues have been fixed or solved already. Is there any ETA on having the Starbase API working again? I'm sure you can imagine it is quite an issue for those who have migrated to new API-based tools for corp management, only to find those tools disabled. We're investigating this issue. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

TLani Viziam	Posted - 2008.03.25 18:33:00 - [774] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: JitaCitizen 72395 Thanks to CCP Explorer for confirming alot of these issues have been fixed or solved already. Is there any ETA on having the Starbase API working again? I'm sure you can imagine it is quite an issue for those who have migrated to new API-based tools for corp management, only to find those tools disabled. We're investigating this issue. What about the windows being allover the place or bunched in the middle of the screen? Are you also looking into that? I came, I saw, I cloaked!!!
princess katie Trinity Miner Acquisitions	Posted - 2008.03.25 18:37:00 - [775] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: JitaCitizen 72395 Thanks to CCP Explorer for confirming alot of these issues have been fixed or solved already. Is there any ETA on having the Starbase API working again? I'm sure you can imagine it is quite an issue for those who have migrated to new API-based tools for corp management, only to find those tools disabled. We're investigating this issue. OMG that is just some COP out , posting a remark that actualy thanks CCP ...READ all the post that are complaining and answer those instead of coping and pasting praise remarks. There only CCP clones any way. So for the love of ..... mend the FRPs and stop messing with the game, because it for sure you have no clue what your doing.
Corstaad Brutor tribe	Posted - 2008.03.25 22:38:00 - [776] Has there been any word on the alt key going back to former use? Its extremely annoying for scouts/scanning without it. If its been moved to somewhere else can someone give me a headsup?
Jack Creme COBRA INC Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2008.03.26 01:58:00 - [777] Originally by: Lyra Sy Edited by: Lyra Sy on 22/03/2008 11:17:43 (I've previous posts on page 4, 11, 20) A tale of Two Clients Our story thus far: The intrepid EVE player has major performance issues on his WinXP media center box and has lost his settings files again. He fights back by finding and restoring his settings files and dropping both clients back to classic graphics mode (with cache set to Large). The game is uglier but almost playable -almost. And thus begins our Clash of the Clients. Below is the wide and varied list in which the classic clients seem to attack one another once both are started. Client 1 starts fine and runs for awhile. On startup of Client #2 it fails with a Windows Error. (Before the 1.1 patch this would still happen when running to premium clients, but every time the Task Manager would show the first client had already oonsumed 500 Mb of memory. This shouldn't be a problem though since the machine has been upgraded to 2Gb. In the past relogging both clients solved the problem. Client 1 starts fine, Client 2 tries to start up but can't get to the login screen because it seems to immediately start fighting with the first client over something -perhaps a file or the screen focus despite both being in windowed mode. You can tell this is happening because both clients lockup and the task bar shows both EVE icons flickering madly back and forth. Only recourse is to wait it out. Eventually, the login screen will come up on the 2nd client, the fight stops, and then you finally have the option of shutting down one or both clients. Client 1 starts fine, Client 2 logs in with ship already in space, but the background is pure white and frame rate drops to 1 to 2 fps. Solution is to relog both clients. Client 1 is up and running fine. Client 2 is up and running fine. Suddenly one of the clients starts having problems loading things or getting the server to respond and eventually disconnects. Review of the task manager shows one or both clients over 500Mb mem. WinXP must have some kind of per process memory limit of 500 Mb perhaps? This seems to be a reoccuring theme. Client 2 starts up fine. Client one starts up but login screen isn't visible. Alt-tabbing shows a "zooming" effect indicating the task is returning from minimized mode which shouldn't be happening with both in windowed mode. Belatedly I realize the last d/c aka crash might have gotten one of the clients into full screen mode. Solution: Delete the pc.dat settings file for client #1. Now client starts fine. Client 1 starts up fine. Client 2 starts fine and my ship starts in space and warps to the POS. But attempting to interact with my labs or silos is impossible. Client 2 soon thereafter d/c. Relog client 2 and again it immediately disconnects. Purging the caches and pc.dat files on both clients seems to fix the problem. Conclusions I've never seen EVE act up this badly. This game has always been rock stable for me while running two clients as long as I stayed in windows mode. Except for the first reported scenario, all the others started with patch 1.1 and my fall back to classic mode. Because of all the problems listed above, it is now very problematic to get both clients running at the same time. I've even tried adding the command line args "/end /LUA:OFF" back to my shortcuts w/ my setting files copied to the new locations and this hasn't seemed to help. Now even when I log in the 2 clients one right after the other, the 2nd client will likely throw a Windows error and refuse to show the login screen. My first account has been cancelled although there's still a week left before it expires. I do hope CCP makes some effort to fix this mess before the week is out or I will probably cancel my 2nd account as well. I've been having pretty much the same problems. Cancelled all 3 accounts - simply fed up with being unable to run 2 clients / re-installing / rebuilding all settings. I've never had it so bad in nearly 4 years.
princess katie Trinity Miner Acquisitions	Posted - 2008.03.26 06:08:00 - [778] Oh goody goody..............cant zoom in or out now!
Flaxley Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.03.26 09:05:00 - [779] Well it was happening a week ago and still is CCP only want to answer the easy questions it would seem. I and many other ppl have posted about the FPS problem and now it would seem your about to loose a bit of cash (glad to see ppl are voting with there wallets) Now how about you start answering questions about the FPS and again pls stop avoiding the question as after a week of asking i can only assume you are. Like im sure everyone else i have posted a petition on this subject but i dont know how many ways i can tell you this but every other dam game i have runs 100% its just your game which is screwed up. Ps i have been trying to find a pattern to this fps high and low and ppl are correct in saying that some systems (the majority off are slow as hell ie 5-10fps) and others are reasonably quick (about 20fps) so far i cant see why but there is a definate difference. My average prior to patch was 40 fps in space and 50 fps in station approx. Ps i will be stopping payment on my account unless this is resvoled:)
Rethie Pattern Jugglers	Posted - 2008.03.26 10:17:00 - [780] Edited by: Rethie on 26/03/2008 10:28:57 Edited by: Rethie on 26/03/2008 10:18:34 Well since CCP aren't reading this thread, or can't be bothered answering, I think I may have some solutions now. My fix, it appears that the errors before mentioned may lie in the patching of older builds, or not. 1. I downloaded current premium client, saved my current bookmarks file as mentioned on page 16 of this thread. I then wiped all known directories of EVE that I could find using Eraser 57 (probably didn't make any difference to deleting but). 2. I downloaded/installed latest audio driver from my sound driver provider (realtek in this case) as someone mentioned in another thread it improved things. 3. Installed premium client, set hdr off, cache high, 24bit colour, shadows normal. 4. Run the client, I now have adverage fps in flight of 65-70 even in JIta (O_O)also with masses of cans in roid belts up from 15-20fps, in station adverage 90fps from 20-25. 5. The overview now remains on right of screen and keeps tabs saved as required but default always resets to default after undock. I found if I put my "Selected item" window at top right and the "overview" below that not docked to it, and my drones window in a gap below it also undocked they remain in these positions throughout action, though the "overview" does jump in level with the left edge of "selected item " everytime you undock (livable atm). The game is now playable (except for overview quirks) Hope this helps folks (to all those still reading this thread) Fly safe Rethie ISK donations welcome ;)

CCP Explorer C C P	Posted - 2008.03.26 12:59:00 - [781] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: JitaCitizen 72395 Thanks to CCP Explorer for confirming alot of these issues have been fixed or solved already. Is there any ETA on having the Starbase API working again? I'm sure you can imagine it is quite an issue for those who have migrated to new API-based tools for corp management, only to find those tools disabled. We're investigating this issue. The fix should be live now. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Sma Cheradenine Federal Navy Academy	Posted - 2008.03.26 13:54:00 - [782] CCP Explorer, I'm glad to see you have resolved this problem. Any chance you might give us an update on this thread http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=724170 which has nine pages of players asking what is happening with the FPS issue? Many thanks

CCP Explorer C C P	Posted - 2008.03.26 19:39:00 - [783] Originally by: Sma Cheradenine Any chance you might give us an update on this thread which has nine pages of players asking what is happening with the FPS issue? To quote CCP Lingorm: "We are looking into the reported frame rate problem. The issue is we have no solid reproduction case for it. We also have conflicting results in that while some people report FPS reduction, others with the same cards report a gain in FPS." That being said, we are looking into a possible scenario where a possible loss of FPS may occur in certain cases. A particular code change is being examined. Sorry for being very vague but we are looking into this issue. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Rethie Pattern Jugglers	Posted - 2008.03.26 22:28:00 - [784] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Sma Cheradenine Any chance you might give us an update on this thread which has nine pages of players asking what is happening with the FPS issue? To quote CCP Lingorm: "We are looking into the reported frame rate problem. The issue is we have no solid reproduction case for it. We also have conflicting results in that while some people report FPS reduction, others with the same cards report a gain in FPS." That being said, we are looking into a possible scenario where a possible loss of FPS may occur in certain cases. A particular code change is being examined. Sorry for being very vague but we are looking into this issue. Thanks Though I have no gameplay major problems anymore. Small window reset issue (overview jumps as mentioned above) CPU still at 100% but not getting the heat now. Frame rate is all good Btw I made my fix Monday/ Sunday (us time) and didn't post because I was too busy getting back into gameplay, so it's not related to any hotfixes after then
Princesse Qiao Dallas Company	Posted - 2008.03.27 01:16:00 - [785] Originally by: Rethie Edited by: Rethie on 26/03/2008 10:28:57 Edited by: Rethie on 26/03/2008 10:18:34 Well since CCP aren't reading this thread, or can't be bothered answering, I think I may have some solutions now. My fix, it appears that the errors before mentioned may lie in the patching of older builds, or not. 1. I downloaded current premium client, saved my current bookmarks file as mentioned on page 16 of this thread. I then wiped all known directories of EVE that I could find using Eraser 57 (probably didn't make any difference to deleting but). 2. I downloaded/installed latest audio driver from my sound driver provider (realtek in this case) as someone mentioned in another thread it improved things. 3. Installed premium client, set hdr off, cache high, 24bit colour, shadows normal. 4. Run the client, I now have adverage fps in flight of 65-70 even in JIta (O_O)also with masses of cans in roid belts up from 15-20fps, in station adverage 90fps from 20-25. 5. The overview now remains on right of screen and keeps tabs saved as required but default always resets to default after undock. I found if I put my "Selected item" window at top right and the "overview" below that not docked to it, and my drones window in a gap below it also undocked they remain in these positions throughout action, though the "overview" does jump in level with the left edge of "selected item " everytime you undock (livable atm). The game is now playable (except for overview quirks) Hope this helps folks (to all those still reading this thread) Fly safe Rethie You may be right about FPS issues relating to patching as I never had the FPS issue and went straight to a full deletion of EVE and download of new clients when I had the problems with clients locking up. I was indeed surprised to note that the lockups did not coincide with memory or cpu spikes and therefore suspected some way in which the client was actually dealing with code. It is interesting to note players having a go about changes made to the way 'alt' behaves, and the client lockups always seeming to coincide with either use of the alt key (with tab or esc) or behaviour making the same system calls as tabbing and escaping between programs would do. I strongly suspect this is all one with the ov issues as the alt key worked with ov as an override as I understand it...
Bean Counter Starfinder Corp	Posted - 2008.03.27 02:06:00 - [786] Edited by: Bean Counter on 27/03/2008 02:09:29 Edited by: Bean Counter on 27/03/2008 02:08:19 I am glad to hear you are investigating the FPS issue. I can testify it has something to do with particular systems. I can go from 50 fps in a 12au system with few celestial objects to 25 in the next system of 48au and many celestial objects. This occurs regardless of the system being empty of pilots or not. I did not have this problem before the patch.
princess katie Trinity Miner Acquisitions	Posted - 2008.03.27 04:49:00 - [787] REF: running more than one acount, which was impossible 2 days ago. This to some degree sorted my problem out. The tech,s that deduced this said it also could be the reason why some people have the problem and some dont. memory leekage Quote: If you still see the dreaded "Your system is low on virtual memory" or " error message this program etc etc " message then the first thing to do is make sure your computer is configured to allow Windows to automatically manage the virtual memory. In Windows XP, follow these steps: A memory leak is a common problem caused by poorly written or poorly debugged applications where they continually use more and more memory until you shut down the program, end the process manually or restart Microsoft Windows. I'm going to assume you're running Windows XP, and you keep crashing to the desk top while using a particular program and perhaps a program error message saying the program is closing due to and error or even seeing a message stating "Your system is low on virtual memory. Windows is increasing the size of your virtual memory paging file." Unless you have very little physical memory (RAM) in your system, this is indicative of a buggy application with a memory leak Click Start, then open the Control Panel. Click Performance and Maintenance, and then click System.(some ctrl panels once opened just have the system icon) Click the Advanced tab. Under Performance, click Settings. Click the Advanced tab. Under Virtual memory, click Change. Under Drive [Volume Label], click the drive that contains the paging file (virtual memory) settings that you want to change. In almost every case, this will be your C: drive. Click to select the "System managed size" option, then click Set. Click OK three times and restart your computer. When you allow Windows to manage your virtual memory, it should make the optimum amount of virtual memory available, by automatically shrinking or enlarging the paging file as needed. Mow im not saying this will fix every ones problem but it certainly has helped to fix some of mine, and does no harm either.

CCP Explorer C C P	Posted - 2008.03.28 19:53:00 - [788] Originally by: CCP Explorer That being said, we are looking into a possible scenario where a possible loss of FPS may occur in certain cases. A particular code change is being examined. Sorry for being very vague but we are looking into this issue. We believe we resolved the FPS issue. A change made in Trinity 1.1 to planet rendering was causing an FPS drop in systems with many planets and moons. The issue has been fixed internally and we plan to release it soon in the next client update. As soon as we made this fix then a stellar object of unknown origin appeared in the sky. We are still at this time investigating this curious phenomenon. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Duvida The Phalanx Expeditionary Conglomerate Blue Sky Consortium	Posted - 2008.03.28 21:25:00 - [789] Thank you for updating us on this. I'll be happy with the ufo with the better fps... (btw, Agent Fox Mulder calls and keeps bugging me about that object... what's the deal with that? )
Niding Polaris Project Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.28 22:06:00 - [790] Good to see updates on the FPS issue. Im curious about wether or not this will have a impact on the inability to run multiple accounts (3-4++) on the same computer like we easily could do in the past..? Now 2 clients is okish,,3 works for a short while until it comes to a complete halt and computer freezes. And my computer setup/config hasnt changed between patches btw.
Mrs Evelyn School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2008.03.28 22:11:00 - [791] im glad to hear there will be an upcomming patch for fps. im currently getting an average of 3-5 fps fighting npc rats. which is very poor and ive tried allsorts to try and get it fixed with no sucess. back to mining till the new patch comes i guess.
RHunterr Ardent Industrial Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.29 12:21:00 - [792] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: CCP Explorer The issue has been fixed internally and we plan to release it soon in the next client update. So, uh, exactly *when* are you planning on "updating the client"? It obviously wasn't the just-passed DT. So now all we know is that you apparently have it fixed "over there", but yet you don't get that fix out to the paying customers asap?? CCP customer support FTL...

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2008.03.29 15:37:00 - [793] The plan is to release this fix as soon as possible when it has cleared QA. I'll provide an update when I have more details on the release schedule. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

RHunterr Ardent Industrial Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.03.29 15:53:00 - [794] Originally by: CCP Explorer The plan is to release this fix as soon as possible when it has cleared QA. I'll provide an update when I have more details on the release schedule. Ok, thank you
Andresky Frankfurt Industry and Defence Trust	Posted - 2008.03.29 18:50:00 - [795] Originally by: CCP Explorer The plan is to release this fix as soon as possible when it has cleared QA. I'll provide an update when I have more details on the release schedule. Fantastic! ;) I can't await the patch... (hopefully it fixes the FPS problem)
Leonid Ivanov Legend's Descendants of Earth	Posted - 2008.03.30 00:32:00 - [796] Originally by: CCP Explorer The plan is to release this fix as soon as possible when it has cleared QA. I'll provide an update when I have more details on the release schedule. thank you for getting on this. the fps issue has been a thorn in mine and many others sides
Trinity Supernova HeXstoof	Posted - 2008.03.30 07:14:00 - [797] You have got to be kidding me. 27 pages of this issue in ONE thread alone (there are others), and just NOW, you decide "we think we fixed it, pending QA approval" ? In my company , QA would have been replaced by now with those more suited to their duties. All the pretty black ships, new bells and whistles,and space candy you see fit to provide are NOT substitutes for a playable game. This FPS issue HAD to be known about before the patch that introduced it. EVERY single player I have talked to has noticed this issue. It's not something that just crept out of the woodwork over time. It's an issue that was IGNORED, pending massive complaints. Way to go, perhaps you should suspend the 14 day trial (if this had happened when I was trialing, you'd have never seen a cent), until the issue is fixed. And here's a concept: Try getting off your bums and answering your paying customers in a more timely manner. /rant off Fly Safe (and SLOW) Trin
Zygdriel Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2008.03.30 22:16:00 - [798] Edited by: Zygdriel on 30/03/2008 22:16:13 i play 2 clients always, and i noticed on my pentium dual core than before each client used 50% of cpu...well 49% now they dont use 50% of cpu each, they share 50% of cpu both, i mean if one is 19% the other is 31%, they never go beyond 50% use both added, also got a severe preformance hit, im not playing anymore using xp x64 sp2
Princesse Qiao	Posted - 2008.03.31 15:45:00 - [799] Originally by: Zygdriel Edited by: Zygdriel on 30/03/2008 22:16:13 i play 2 clients always, and i noticed on my pentium dual core than before each client used 50% of cpu...well 49% now they dont use 50% of cpu each, they share 50% of cpu both, i mean if one is 19% the other is 31%, they never go beyond 50% use both added, also got a severe preformance hit, im not playing anymore using xp x64 sp2 Nicely observed. I've noticed it's not just the other client that locks up - it's pretty much everything on the PC except the task manager and the client that's still live. ODD thing: I went most of last week without encountering the issue, then it simply came back with a vengeance on the weekend. No major changes to the pc in the interim except loading a synch suite for a p990i cellphone (unlikely to affect this).
Edlard	Posted - 2008.03.31 18:55:00 - [800] anyone able to log on SISI and report if there is any improvements with that very nasty fps issue? i need to be mirrored due to a password change, otherwise i would have do that. i really hope ccp going to solve that thing, it is a nightmare to do anything outside the station. if you read that ccp and i guess you do, then i like to ask something from you as a small customer: please do test that next fix patch very well and i personally don't mind if it will take you much longer, i think were all deserve something functional since there is a big lack of that for long time..... also it would be nice if you will credit are accounts with some free additional 14 days or something, just to show youre fair with us after all this mad patching era. how come that there is this wing-man thing now, when many of your already customers cant even play that thing your so trying to promote? eve is indeed a very good game with amazing content, and those who responsible for all of this should really be proud of it. but PLEASE do your best to test this things before you do some free "upgrades" for us. we are not beta testers!

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2008.04.01 16:56:00 - [801] The FPS fix will be on Singularity once it's at build number 52102 or higher. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Andresky Frankfurt Industry and Defence Trust	Posted - 2008.04.01 19:13:00 - [802] Originally by: CCP Explorer The FPS fix will be on Singularity once it's at build number 52102 or higher. Any date when it will be "live" on Tranquility?
Leonid Ivanov	Posted - 2008.04.01 20:07:00 - [803] Edited by: Leonid Ivanov on 01/04/2008 20:07:23 Originally by: CCP Explorer The FPS fix will be on Singularity once it's at build number 52102 or higher. Fix seems to be working on Sing, tested it out in several systems. Back to around normal FPS for my system in and out of station. Can't wait to see it on tranq!
Trawf Zwei Interwarp Plexus Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2008.04.01 21:37:00 - [804] Works sweet for me now! Get it live :)
Thraxon	Posted - 2008.04.02 08:44:00 - [805] Seems to be working for me on singularity. When will this be deployed on TQ?
Miyamoto Uroki PURE Legion Pure.	Posted - 2008.04.02 11:09:00 - [806] I hope the fix will come on tuesday next week or the week after. Depends on QA department I guess. But it's needed fast, that's for sure. Originally by: Puupuu dude... your face
Trawf Zwei	Posted - 2008.04.02 12:42:00 - [807] Tuesday next week would be too long. I want it now
Wadaya Trailerpark Industries	Posted - 2008.04.02 17:51:00 - [808] Hi, could you please at least change the date on the Known Issues page so it looks like it gets updated? Thanks in advance Wad
Jilly Serkov	Posted - 2008.04.03 12:14:00 - [809] Originally by: Miyamoto Uroki I hope the fix will come on tuesday next week or the week after. Depends on QA department I guess. But it's needed fast, that's for sure. Not unless it is tested thoroughly and does not bring any new issues with it, having said that, THIS :- Originally by: CCP Explorer The FPS fix will be on Singularity once it's at build number 52102 or higher. is more like Customer Service. Thanks for the (a) Acknowledgement of problem (b) Communication on progress (c) Confirmation of scheduled fix Good Job CCP.
Lyra Sy stone grave haulage PROBABLE CAUSE	Posted - 2008.04.04 02:19:00 - [810] So the FPS problem is due to planet rendering? So how exactly does that work that my nvidia 7600 Go mobility processor that used to run 2 clients at 20 to 30 fps in premium mode now gets 8 fps - EVEN WHEN DOCKED! In fact docking and undocking has no effect on the fps. If planets are rendering while players are docked then ccp you've got bigger problems than you thought. Updates to some of my previous rants/posts in this thread (page 21 for the last one) I've switched both clients back to classic mode but was still having lots of problems until I changed the cache size down to less than Large. Even so there's serious problems remaining with the settings files. Station environments loading that shouldn't be. I'm still getting the same variety of issues described in previous posts, complete system lockup while the clients fight for control, undocking to white space, game starting up with login screen gone (either need to delete pc.dat or alt-tab to full screen mode and then back out to windowed), WinXP errors on client shutdown. And I will ALWAYS get one of these if I wait long enough -and that's usually within an hour; maybe longer if I stay docked. Pre-patch I didn't remember having any problems with planets, but now running post-patch in classic mode, the planet next to the Liekuri gate in Poinen is a pain in the butt. I right click to get my context menu to warp to the next station or gate and I get context for approaching the planet. No matter which way I swivel the camera it's the same. The planet has rings around it, and my guess is that the gate area is almost completely inside the ring area. Maybe planet attributes were tuned for the premium content? Dunno. Also I've started noticing lag spikes in the client that I didn't remember having pre-patch in premium mode. These seem to be due to the interface locking up for fractions of a second while it updates the wallet or market screens. Even typing in a chat window can be trying when this is going on. Oh and the biggy, scrolling to adjust a price in a market window popup when a spike hits means the price stops shifting by pennies and starts shifting by whole isks. Scroll wheel acceleration effects all being processed at once after the spike is my guess. I think I now see why there's been such a slow down in the EVE economy post-patch. Most minerals have taken a hard fall recently. I too am mostly trying to wait it out. Just doing simple production, and transporting tasks. I really hope there's a client patch coming soon.
Rethie Pattern Jugglers	Posted - 2008.04.04 05:29:00 - [811] As mentioned before, page 27, all should try my fix whilst waiting for CCP to roll out a supposed fix, I have been playing unhindered at an adverage of 100fps in flight, even in Jita, since I posted my last rant. Fly safe
Trawf Zwei Interwarp Plexus	Posted - 2008.04.05 11:33:00 - [812] Come on mining is getting boring now everything works fine on the test server for me
Leonid Ivanov Legend's Descendants of Earth	Posted - 2008.04.05 17:28:00 - [813] Edited by: Leonid Ivanov on 05/04/2008 17:28:40 Seriously, the game has been totally unplayable for too long.
Princesse Qiao Dallas Company	Posted - 2008.04.05 20:59:00 - [814] (a) Acknowledgement of problem (b) Communication on progress (c) Confirmation of scheduled fix Wouldn't mind something like this for the client lockup problems too... as the man said it's been a while, and while FPS has been getting some (horrendously slow) attention, those of us who are getting lockups are treated like we don't exist...
yarrmarr	Posted - 2008.04.06 21:21:00 - [815] Come on CCP, I've been unable to play the game for almost a MONTH now without any clear answer on the how and when up to this moment. It frustrates and shows you don't care enough about the people who pay for a service to at least and try to keep them informed properly. Doing a ****ty job here sirs :(
judas cerberus The Night Corporation RONA Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.07 04:06:00 - [816] I almost wonder if the patch hasn't fried some video cards giving clients the "slow death." The other day I found out that running my laptop off of battery's only the fps issue got better, a lot better. After plugging into a power supply the issue returned. I've tried this a couple time with the same results. The only thing I can think of is that the system is running at a slower processing speed for cpu and video being on battery power. I really hope component failure is not the case but the symptoms are pointing towards it.
Andresky Frankfurt Industry and Defence Trust	Posted - 2008.04.08 12:11:00 - [817] Any update on a possible release?
RHunterr Ardent Industrial Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.08 12:24:00 - [818] Ok... I'm guessing many people were hoping for/expecting the client update in the last DT which would fix the fps drop issue. Obviously that didn't happen. It's been 4 weeks now since I've been able to do any more than log in and (slowly) read corp/alliance mails while floating in space at a blistering 6-7 fps! Your paying customers deserve an exact answer as to when this will be fixed! If it's (the ETA of the fix, and the fix itself) not very, VERY soon I'll be canceling both of my accounts and demanding a refund of the time remaining and the time lost. The way it is now, even if a fix was implemented 2 seconds from now, you need to extend the accounts of those affected by this (and other bugs that keep people from playing) by the month that your Boost patch ruined it for us! My company would be on the verge of losing all of its business if it handled service this way!
Cyclops43 Deeper Trouble	Posted - 2008.04.08 12:45:00 - [819] Edited by: Cyclops43 on 08/04/2008 12:47:36 Originally by: CCP Explorer The FPS fix will be on Singularity once it's at build number 52102 or higher. Could we PLEASE also have you take the AI (Artificial Intelligence) out of the UI (User Interface). The way it moves around windows (on and OFF-screen), normally completely contrary to my wishes, is one of the most annoying bugs you've ever introduced, and you've had almost a month now to fix it.... Pinning doesn't work, the most used windows (current item and overview) gets pushed off-screen by other windows etc., etc... --- FYI, dictionary lookup of the word 'COMMUNICATION'. com+mu+ni+ca+tion n. 1. The act of communicating; transmission. 2. a. The exchange of thoughts, messages, or information, as by speech, signals, writing, or behavior. b. Interpersonal rapport. 3. communications (used with a sing. or pl. verb) a. The art and technique of using words effectively to impart information or ideas. b. The field of study concerned with the transmission of information by various means, such as print or broadcasting. c. Any of various professions involved with the transmission of information, such as advertising, broadcasting, or journalism. 4. Something communicated; a message. 5. communications A means of communicating, especially: a. A system, such as mail, telephone, or television, for sending and receiving messages. b. A network of routes for sending messages and transporting troops and supplies. 6. communications The technology employed in transmitting messages.
Lordus Mark RDK Trusting Holders	Posted - 2008.04.08 15:50:00 - [820] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: CCP Explorer That being said, we are looking into a possible scenario where a possible loss of FPS may occur in certain cases. A particular code change is being examined. Sorry for being very vague but we are looking into this issue. We believe we resolved the FPS issue. A change made in Trinity 1.1 to planet rendering was causing an FPS drop in systems with many planets and moons. The issue has been fixed internally and we plan to release it soon in the next client update. As soon as we made this fix then a stellar object of unknown origin appeared in the sky. We are still at this time investigating this curious phenomenon. Thats the star. Someone mentioned not to mess with the star!!! Hopefully, getting it back we will sort the FPS issue. Thanks CCP ******************************** RDK Trusting Holders** Need a job done? Quietly? Have a word with us.
Leonid Ivanov Legend's	Posted - 2008.04.08 16:30:00 - [821] Originally by: RHunterr Ok... I'm guessing many people were hoping for/expecting the client update in the last DT which would fix the fps drop issue. Obviously that didn't happen. It's been 4 weeks now since I've been able to do any more than log in and (slowly) read corp/alliance mails while floating in space at a blistering 6-7 fps! Your paying customers deserve an exact answer as to when this will be fixed! If it's (the ETA of the fix, and the fix itself) not very, VERY soon I'll be canceling both of my accounts and demanding a refund of the time remaining and the time lost. The way it is now, even if a fix was implemented 2 seconds from now, you need to extend the accounts of those affected by this (and other bugs that keep people from playing) by the month that your Boost patch ruined it for us! My company would be on the verge of losing all of its business if it handled service this way! Agreed. This Has been getting utterly ridiculous. I've lost (and I'm sure many other players have) more than AN ENTIRE MONTH OF PLAYABLE GAME TIME which as we all know costs REAL MONEY. All I've been able to do is change skills. Does it really take that long to go from Singularity to Tranquility with a fix you know works for a patch that you know DOESN'T work? If new material is tested before being released (making an assumption here), shouldn't it be tested with older hardware as well, since you went through all the trouble to make a low end AND high end client available? I hope you make the right decision and hand out some game time extensions when this is all through.

CCP Explorer C C P	Posted - 2008.04.08 20:18:00 - [822] Originally by: Andresky Any update on a possible release? It's going to be very soon now, expect a news item in the next few days. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Arous Drephius Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2008.04.08 20:37:00 - [823] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Andresky Any update on a possible release? It's going to be very soon now, expect a news item in the next few days. YAY! I don't suppose there will be reimbursement though?
Lordus Mark RDK Trusting Holders	Posted - 2008.04.08 21:11:00 - [824] Originally by: Arous Drephius Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Andresky Any update on a possible release? It's going to be very soon now, expect a news item in the next few days. YAY! I don't suppose there will be reimbursement though? shhh!!! Dont distract them. Let them sort the issue ASAP and not on "next patch". ******************************** RDK Trusting Holders** Need a job done? Quietly? Have a word with us.
Reasoned1 0- Orion Mining Endeavor -0	Posted - 2008.04.09 01:05:00 - [825] Strange...Im getting 60 to 100 fps using the high end patch...at least according to Fraps. ************************************************************** The freedom of religion should exist in proportion to ones freedom from it.
Jilly Serkov	Posted - 2008.04.09 12:07:00 - [826] Originally by: Reasoned1 Strange...Im getting 60 to 100 fps using the high end patch...at least according to Fraps. You just have better hardware, and a higher tolerance to the problems - try opening a second then a third account on the same machine ... The point is that people complaining about poor fps now, had no issues pre-boost. ALL HAIL THE MYSTERY STAR, FOR IT SHALL BE OUR SALVATION !!!
Hilbert Space	Posted - 2008.04.09 12:13:00 - [827] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Andresky Any update on a possible release? It's going to be very soon now, expect a news item in the next few days. I'm wondering what they mean by 'next few days'? Few in comparison to what? Time seems to run different on CCP's side. A month - compared to a year - is 'few'... Anyway i'm glad that CCP is posting some news and i strongly hope that 'few' will be what it should.
Leonid Ivanov	Posted - 2008.04.09 13:52:00 - [828] Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Andresky Any update on a possible release? It's going to be very soon now, expect a news item in the next few days. Thank you for the update

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2008.04.09 15:28:00 - [829] Edited by: CCP Explorer on 09/04/2008 15:28:41 Originally by: Hilbert Space Originally by: CCP Explorer Originally by: Andresky Any update on a possible release? It's going to be very soon now, expect a news item in the next few days. I'm wondering what they mean by 'next few days'? Few in comparison to what? From a long experience in software development I've learned never to promise exact dates until the final build is there. (Waterfall doesn't work, iterative methods do.) So you will definitely not find me posting any information here that Trinity 1.2 next week will contain this fix along with adding the 1152x864 resolution back, fixing forum portraits, fixing jump portal animations, adding the ability to right-click and buy skill through the character sheet, a lot of fixes to the market filtering, moon brackets are displayed again, two fixes for issues when changing the display adapter, and many more. Nope. You won't find it at all. And if it doesn't happen then it's because I didn't say it was going to happen. But this is all on Singularity right now, version 4.12 build 52510 LIVE, I'm not letting out any secrets. Go and check it out. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Andresky Gallente	Posted - 2008.04.09 16:29:00 - [830] I am going to test on Singularity now. Will give you feedback regarding the fps issue...
Trawf Zwei Minmatar Interwarp Plexus Soldiers of the Forgotten Abyss	Posted - 2008.04.09 17:32:00 - [831] It worked for me sinse like the first update. Im getting to the point where I want to steal cookies in anger
Andresky Gallente	Posted - 2008.04.09 22:35:00 - [832] Originally by: CCP Explorer But this is all on Singularity right now, version 4.12 build 52510 LIVE, I'm not letting out any secrets. Go and check it out. Tested successfully. Moving in space is now flawless on my Classic machine. FPS on current Singularity patch is higher @ 630MHz than on Tranquility running @ 900MHz! Good work.
RHunterr	Posted - 2008.04.10 00:02:00 - [833] Edited by: RHunterr on 10/04/2008 00:10:46 >>So you will definitely not find me posting any information here that Trinity 1.2 next week will contain this fix along with adding the 1152x864 resolution back, fixing forum portraits, fixing jump portal animations, adding the ability to right-click and buy skill through the character sheet, a lot of fixes to the market filtering, moon brackets are displayed again, two fixes for issues when changing the display adapter, and many more.<< Honestly, that's all well and good.... but, forum portraits, jump portal animations, right-clicking skills, etc., etc., aren't keeping paying customers from being able to play the game! Horrible fps is! (as well as a couple other bugs I've read about that were introduced with Boost). I can't believe the decision to make one big fix is being made to wait for other smaller fixes. Next week will make it 5 weeks of unplayability for me and those suffering from these horribly low fps numbers. 5 weeks! For two characters that's somewhere around $30 usd that was spent with very little to show for it (if I wanted to pay money / month to sit around, read mails, and sell stuff on the market I'd go to e-trader.com or something! Not eve..) That alone is bad enough, but the way this was all handled is incredibly poor as well... we were being "strung along"; it took two weeks for CCP to even mention anything on these forums about this bug, and any info after that was very, very sparse as well. I know several people who've quit eve altogether over this, people who MAY have stuck it out if they'd been told an approximate schedule for fixing this (or at least that it was even being worked on). To ask anyone to hang on through 5 weeks of lack-of-service is sad. So now who do we contact to get our eve time extended for those 5 weeks as reimbursment? An OOTG email to eve "support" only creates a petition. Is there an actual "customer service" contact somewhere?? I love eve... it's an awesome playing experience (despite all the various minor bugs). It's the best online gaming I've run across in the 20+ years I've been gaming online. But I've just about run out of patience with it and CCP.
fishblades GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.04.10 00:05:00 - [834] Edited by: fishblades on 10/04/2008 00:24:40 Edited by: fishblades on 10/04/2008 00:22:23 Edited by: fishblades on 10/04/2008 00:06:29 Well it would be nice to test this on singularity but silly me thinking I could actually patch my client and connect to the server. I patch it and launch the program and it shows as running in my task manager but never loads. I'm really not surprised that it doesn't work, thats par for the course with CCP. hahaha oh man I've never seen such terrible software. It finally loaded in safe mode but prompted me to download a new patch and when it installed it installed in my original EvE folder without prompting me to change the path and messed up that install. You guys are seriously incompetent. So I can either reinstall EvE and have to set up all of my settings again or I can uninstall and wash my hands of the worst experiences I've ever had with support and software. I'm done, Ive had enough.

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2008.04.10 19:20:00 - [835] Originally by: Andresky Originally by: CCP Explorer But this is all on Singularity right now, version 4.12 build 52510 LIVE, I'm not letting out any secrets. Go and check it out. Tested successfully. Moving in space is now flawless on my Classic machine. FPS on current Singularity patch is higher @ 630MHz than on Tranquility running @ 900MHz! Good work. Thank you and good to know it's working well. Trinity 1.2 will be released 15 April. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Fastercart Gallente Ihatalo Heavy Industries Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.11 16:21:00 - [836] Edited by: Fastercart on 11/04/2008 16:22:52 Originally by: CCP Explorer From a long experience in software development I've learned never to promise exact dates until the final build is there. (Waterfall doesn't work, iterative methods do.) You said iterative, but you linked Agile. Btw, I was on Sisi yesterday and the Alt key still didn't work. __ Rorqual AKA Mega Maid Oh, my God. It's Mega Maid. She's gone from suck to blow.

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2008.04.11 20:29:00 - [837] Thanks for finding the Wikipedia link, I only found "iterative as in iteration" so I settled for Agile. Should have used Google to search instead of Wikipedia search... Regarding the Alt key, I refer you to a post from CCP Tuxford. My personal view is that using overview tabs and Alt+Z work really nicely to switch between current bracket filtering and showing all brackets (note, you need to save an overview setting to a tab). I know that not everyone agrees and we will do another iteration. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games

Fastercart Gallente Ihatalo Heavy Industries Phalanx Alliance	Posted - 2008.04.11 20:44:00 - [838] Originally by: CCP Explorer Thanks for finding the Wikipedia link, I only found "iterative as in iteration" so I settled for Agile. Should have used Google to search instead of Wikipedia search... I doubt google would have helped. Only reason I found iterative was because I used Find on the Agile page. And, it was on listed on the right side under "Software development process," "Models." __ Rorqual AKA Mega Maid Oh, my God. It's Mega Maid. She's gone from suck to blow.
Princesse Qiao	Posted - 2008.04.15 17:49:00 - [839] Edited by: Princesse Qiao on 15/04/2008 17:50:03 I've been posting on this forum since 13th March about the 2-client lockup issue. It's now 15th April - over a month later. Still not a word on this forum that this issue is even being looked at - though my bug report on it was acknowledged and I was told then that it had already been reported. Now post today's patch it actually seems to be worse than ever. How about letting us know what you are doing cos it's getting a bit tiring restarting clients all the time and EVE's getting a bit boring grinding easy lvl4's...

CCP Explorer	Posted - 2008.04.28 21:31:00 - [840] Originally by: CCP Explorer Regarding the Alt key, I refer you to a post from CCP Tuxford. My personal view is that using overview tabs and Alt+Z work really nicely to switch between current bracket filtering and showing all brackets (note, you need to save an overview setting to a tab). I know that not everyone agrees and we will do another iteration. It has been restored in an internal build, should be out on SiSi in a couple of weeks. Will be included in the EVE Online: Empyrean Age expansion. Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson Software Director EVE Online, CCP Games


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Fix overview and fleet window positions please.