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Seishomaru	Posted - 2009.01.16 21:47:00 - [991] Originally by: Phoibos Edited by: Phoibos on 16/01/2009 11:57:05 Jefftaki your a good example of people that just don't care about people with less money everything moves forward don't care about people that fall behind just roll on. Its nasty to see that attitude in here when people complaining and fighting for their hobbies. You and others in here spit on people with less money thats really what you do.. Evolution those that can't adapt become victims Bla Bla Bla Thats why Starcraft,Warcraft series and CS etc still flourish is it? well I work 10 hours per day and earn about 580$ per MONTH, and that only because I have a master degree. And I lost a job in October. And I live alone so have to pay for all my expenses. Even so as I set eve as one of my main free time joys I do have a PC capable of running the premmium client. I really doubt very many eve players earn LESS money than I do, so not very many have really this excuse. If you earn even less than me than you really should NO be playing an MMO. I know its hard for a few but those are very few and its impossible to keep absolutely everyone happy. I personnaly like CCP will stop WASTING time on keeping a very very old graphic pipeline to put assets in new game stuff. The only thing wrong here is the timespan from annoucement to chance being TOO SHORT.
Polinus Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2009.01.16 21:49:00 - [992] Originally by: Mikalya Surprised no one has linked this. For those of you that believe that high-tech sales are doing great and the industry isn't going to be affected by the economic downturns, I present this: Bye Bye Circuit City Maybe you missed the news this week that last trimester of 2008 was the best trimester in HISTORY of game industry with a bit over 28 BIL $
Polinus Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2009.01.16 21:54:00 - [993] Originally by: Avon Originally by: zombu2 finally admitt your computers are crap and do something about it invest the 50 bucks to all that bought those cheapo laptops ...you knew what you where buying and you always get what you pay for next time spend a couple hundred more on a laptop My "cheapo" laptop was over $2000 and purchased because it was well in excess of the requirements for Eve. As of March I will no longer be able to use it to play Eve, one of the main reasons I choose that specific machine. Just because this change is not impacting on you is no reason to belittle those who go have genuine concerns. If getting a new laptop is such a trivial thing, you are quite welcome to buy me one. Well then you were not very smart on your choosing. If you had choosen a laptop to play eve you would have choosen one with SM3 already because of premium. You were not smart and now trying to blame others for it.
Doublewhopper	Posted - 2009.01.16 21:56:00 - [994] Question to CCP: Is there any chance or thought to make the new SM2 premium lite client compatible with Swiftshader 2.0 from Transgaming? This would mean software emulation of SM2 for SM1 computers. Right now the EVE client doesn't allow for non-EVE dlls in the EVE-Folder and i don't want to mess around with it. A demo can be found here: http://www.transgaming.com/products/swiftshader/
Una D Ex Coelis The Bantam Menace	Posted - 2009.01.16 21:57:00 - [995] Originally by: Grarr Dexx Edited by: Grarr Dexx on 16/01/2009 21:30:12 45 days of no Eve or forever no Eve? I'd have made my choice. Quote: Edit: This is really wrong time to force upgrades. I don't know about Iceland but over here the economy isn't in the best shape and I doubt that many people would like to be forced in to an upgrade). Don't whine about the economy when you are paying for a luxury product such as Eve. Click the link above the quote and be enlightened. Eve needs to advance, and it's always time for change. I can afford any upgrades EVE needs (even if I may not like to invest the cash in to that ATM). But not everyone has same amount of available money. Graphics sells **** to idiots (consolers, wowers and similar low intelligence life). EVE sells due to it being an unique game. If shiny is only thing you have than it's game over.
Mikalya Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2009.01.16 21:58:00 - [996] Originally by: Polinus Maybe you missed the news this week that last trimester of 2008 was the best trimester in HISTORY of game industry with a bit over 28 BIL $ Maybe YOU missed the news that in the COMPUTER industry sales were down for both parts and new machines, except for laptops which were up 40% for Q3. You know, those machines that multiple people on these boards are saying aren't supposed to play Eve
Sky Marshal IMpAct Corp Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2009.01.16 21:59:00 - [997] Edited by: Sky Marshal on 16/01/2009 22:01:34 Originally by: Grarr Dexx Don't whine about the economy when you are paying for a luxury product such as Eve. Click the link above the quote and be enlightened. Eve needs to advance, and it's always time for change. Ok... Add a new graphic card on an old computer... An old computer who has maybe not enough power supply to be able to support this change in the system. Or this power support would be, if it wasn't so old (power supply lose efficiency by time). So we can add a power supply, same if 6600 don't use so much watts than one of our dual chip cards. Oh ****, Premium need so more Ram too, depending of how much was in the system in the first place. Ok, add it too. Computers today don't have the ability to be evolving easily. Change one component can require to change one another. So it is funny, it is not 40$ for all of this. It is tired to read not credible lessons.
Seishomaru	Posted - 2009.01.16 21:59:00 - [998] Originally by: Solanio Originally by: Avenger Garius Originally by: Solanio Classic is shiny enough to achieve this, therefore please discontinue premium version. Real visual junkies are not playing EVE for more than 2 months You're funny they worked so hard to get Trinity done and only not to long ago you really think they'd that proposal seriously? Lols. And in terms of people wanting statistical evidence. Where's the statistical evidence in that. I like my premium graphics and you know what, Classic is ugly to me and is not shiny enough. And before you label me as a visual junkie more than 1 and a half years. Do you run 3 acounts on one machine at once with premium content? I have a Athlon X2 3800 with 2 Gig ram and a 7600 GT card. Quite OLD hardware and I run 3 clients at same time yes on PREMIUM. with everything but bloom switched on. Not a problem at all, except for a previous period after a patch when CCP screwed with multiple clients.... I used to had some issues with 1 GIG ram. Back then 2 clients were ok 3 clients sometimes went down in performance. But with 2 GIG ram I can Run FINE even 4 accounts (but I cannot pay 4 accounts anymore)
Una D Ex Coelis The Bantam Menace	Posted - 2009.01.16 21:59:00 - [999] Wouldn't it be easier to move over EVE to OpenGL and dump directx? Would make for much easier porting.
Polinus Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2009.01.16 22:01:00 - [1000] Originally by: Mikalya Originally by: Polinus Maybe you missed the news this week that last trimester of 2008 was the best trimester in HISTORY of game industry with a bit over 28 BIL $ Maybe YOU missed the news that in the COMPUTER industry sales were down for both parts and new machines, except for laptops which were up 40% for Q3. You know, those machines that multiple people on these boards are saying aren't supposed to play Eve You know, there is a reason why NVIDIA proffits is 80% + from the traditional standalone cards...not from Notebook ones... how the machines used to WRITE EMAILS are sold means nothing on the GAME industry.
Salakka Caldari Drunk Butchers Corporation	Posted - 2009.01.16 22:02:00 - [1001] Already using heavily shaders, so just swap directx to opengl. Also models are not a problem, Granny 3d models works great in opengl environment (even Granny demo is opengl), tho Granny seems to also handle consoles ... hmm :)
Kagura Nikon Minmatar The Black Dawn Gang	Posted - 2009.01.16 22:04:00 - [1002] Originally by: Una D Wouldn't it be easier to move over EVE to OpenGL and dump directx? Would make for much easier porting. Would change absolutely NOTHIGN on this issue. Both DirectX and OpenGL use the same hardware underneath. OpenGL also have same feature capabilities like SM1 age SM 2 age etc... just OpenGL does not fixate them on a single brand name, but in a set of extensions names. The difficulty of supporting older hardware would change in nothing. Only advantage would be a easy and painless port to MAC and linux.
Bacabachaui Two Brothers Mining Corp.	Posted - 2009.01.16 22:09:00 - [1003] **I have a question for CCP** After researching the card on my 2 year old basic laptop, it says it supports shader model 2 but "does not support hardware T&L (Transform & Lightning) calculations (which is required for some games)." I have no idea what that means, but will this be a problem running the Lite version in March?
zombu2 Caldari legion of qui Southern Connection	Posted - 2009.01.16 22:09:00 - [1004] Edited by: zombu2 on 16/01/2009 22:12:54 Originally by: angulion Originally by: Polinus Originally by: Helison CCP Explorer (or any other Dev), could you please answer the question about what will happen with the Linux client? Or did I just miss the answer? I would guess that you should wait on the results of MAC beta. Programming for a mac is very very close to programming for linux. If they make the engine work ok on mac OpenGl it will work ok for linux easily. Its just logical that they focus fist on MAc. But When that is working OK should be easy to achieve a linux premium client. While your answer about Mac and Linux being similar is true, there is deeper problems at least on the Linux side of things. Wine currently runs the Premium client and my laptop supports SM3, unfortunately premium client is a no-no for me since the whole screen gets crazy flickering, even when Eve is in windowed mode, due to ATI drivers being rather horrible (using latest catalyst 8.12). To say I'm a bit worried about the changes is a fact. Personally I would love CCP to make a native OpenGL client, or at the very least ditch transgamings old thing which never worked for me, don't do premium, and instead have a dedicated developer working with the Wine community ensuring compatibility. For main topic though, dropping SM1 is ok, dropping SM2 seems a bit premature even at end of 2009 imo. i have to agree with him on the transgaming thing i do belive transgaming is a bunch of bandits and pirates work with the winehq to make wine support eve in the full extent instead of giving it to transgaming who are making money of open source code turning it into a subscription based thing then stating they only charge for forum access YOU WANNA GAIN MORE PLAYERS HELP WINEHQ TO MAKE IT WORK 100% UNDER LINUX AND YOU WILL GAIN THOUSANDS (btw transgaming is not really seen as a good example in the open source community) think about it ccp it would be a great projct and really would help out wine as for linux and ati you better off getting a nvidia card the ati drivers are buggy and crap also ati does not care .Nvidia on the other hand has ppl that constantly work on the linux side of the drivers constantly fixing bugs (also most linux users use nvidia anyways)
Mikalya Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2009.01.16 22:19:00 - [1005] Originally by: Polinus how the machines used to WRITE EMAILS are sold means nothing on the GAME industry. Other than the FACT that those machines are what your potential customer base is buying, right now. And the highest selling portion of the industry. Which is what we are trying to explain to all the "you don't run games on a laptop" crowd: Laptops are the current popular choice of the average computer user. The "geeks" already have their higher-end machines if they can afford them so the customers you are trying to draw in are the non-geeks. Which are <wait for it......> Buying laptops and machines with integrated graphics cards. If your game doesn't support their hardware, they will go somewhere else even if they are interested. "All other games require this hardware too" doesn't work, because there are a lot fewer games in the potential competition with Eve, and the grand daddy of them all (WoW) doesn't require higher-end cards..... Is it worth it to exclude a sizable portion of your potential player-base, not to speak of current players that don't have the hardware, for a game where graphics is NOT the primary draw? I don't think so. And I doubt CCP has really considered it when they make comments like 97% of all machines will be SM 3.0 capable by November when every other survey of hardware says no way....
Una D Ex Coelis The Bantam Menace	Posted - 2009.01.16 22:23:00 - [1006] Originally by: Kagura Nikon Edited by: Kagura Nikon on 16/01/2009 22:08:36 Originally by: Una D Wouldn't it be easier to move over EVE to OpenGL and dump directx? Would make for much easier porting. Would change absolutely NOTHIGN on this issue. Both DirectX and OpenGL use the same hardware underneath. OpenGL also have same feature capabilities like SM1 age SM 2 age etc... just OpenGL does not fixate them on a single brand name, but in a set of extensions names. OpenGL and DX are not software. They are a set of rules as an API that are implemented in HARDWARE by NVIDIA, AMD and INTEL basically. Each of them then supports a translation of that API to their direct hardware true API trough their drivers. SM3 basically means that your card can combute branches (IF this do this, else do that) and a few more frivolities (but the branches are the most important part) in the shader programs. Shader programs are procedures that the GPU execute for each pixel. If the effect needs a branch on its computation, you need hardware that supports it, does not matter if its DX, OpenGL or a hoem invented API with homebrew drivers. Its exaclty the same. The difficulty of supporting older hardware would change in nothing. Only advantage would be a easy and painless port to MAC and linux. I wasn't thinking about the HW part. Just that it would be far easier to port to linux and mac (and perhaps even to solaris/freebsd if I'm really lucky).
Polinus Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2009.01.16 22:45:00 - [1007] Edited by: Polinus on 16/01/2009 22:51:22 Edited by: Polinus on 16/01/2009 22:45:19 Originally by: Mikalya Originally by: Polinus how the machines used to WRITE EMAILS are sold means nothing on the GAME industry. Other than the FACT that those machines are what your potential customer base is buying, right now. And the highest selling portion of the industry. Which is what we are trying to explain to all the "you don't run games on a laptop" crowd: Laptops are the current popular choice of the average computer user. The "geeks" already have their higher-end machines if they can afford them so the customers you are trying to draw in are the non-geeks. Which are <wait for it......> Buying laptops and machines with integrated graphics cards. If your game doesn't support their hardware, they will go somewhere else even if they are interested. "All other games require this hardware too" doesn't work, because there are a lot fewer games in the potential competition with Eve, and the grand daddy of them all (WoW) doesn't require higher-end cards..... Is it worth it to exclude a sizable portion of your potential player-base, not to speak of current players that don't have the hardware, for a game where graphics is NOT the primary draw? I don't think so. And I doubt CCP has really considered it when they make comments like 97% of all machines will be SM 3.0 capable by November when every other survey of hardware says no way.... Quite sure CCP numbers RE wrong but... A lot of people are failing to grasp to the fact that the game industry cannot be halted by people WRONG decisions on game rigs. The game industry is a competitive and evolving one. Their techniques demand certain hardware class. They simply cannot hope to continue to have success unless they evolve their graphics. Its simple FACT Very VERY few games can resist long without high quality graphics. UO is still gameplay superior to MOST MMOs around, but its nearly DEAD as a economic possibility of MMO, main reason? Graphics, pure and simple Games must evolve. To evolve games must require better hardware. To support better hardware needs more work, work that eventually will be removed form the lower hardware options. Its the very same as you complaining the government changed the simple road between city A and city B into a highway and now you cannot use your 1917 vehicle because it doe snot reach the menimum safety requirements to run on those. Its not fault of the rest of the world that you cannot choose a car for the specific purpose of going from city A to city B. And you really cannot expect the world to be halted of their improved experience just because of your decision! Also the development of games needs investment, very few game houses can develop titles on their own resources. So few that I will call the names of most of them: Blizzard and ID.... Most development houses need investment, and just after the big publishers the MAJOR investors are HARDWARE MANUFACTURERS. NVIDIA, INTEL etc.. those are major players on that game. If you don 't please them, you get no cash. Its the cruel reality of the capitalism, if you can' t cope with it, well The world choose to live in this system. I repeat, your lack of understanding of what gaming is is no reason at all to prevent people with better understanding of enjoying the improvements the game industry can provide!
Kagura Nikon Minmatar The Black Dawn Gang	Posted - 2009.01.16 22:49:00 - [1008] Originally by: Bacabachaui **I have a question for CCP** After researching the card on my 2 year old basic laptop, it says it supports shader model 2 but "does not support hardware T&L (Transform & Lightning) calculations (which is required for some games)." I have no idea what that means, but will this be a problem running the Lite version in March? Its really hard to believe that are true results. You might need to recheck. Because since the advent of programable GPUs the TnL concept basically means Vertex shaders. And if your card doe snot support vertex shaders then it doe snot support even SM 1.0 If the T&L is made in software then the card is not processign the shader (At least the vertex part) therefore they cannot claim the card itself support any shader model at all!
Mikalya Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2009.01.16 22:56:00 - [1009] Originally by: Polinus Stuff And you are right in all those points, but that fails to take in account one minor detail: World-wide economic downturn. If CCP was making the decision during good economic times, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Making this decision during this time is a poor business decision, especially when all economic indicators show serious potential issues for the entertainment areas; when times get hard non-essential expenses get cut. It would be a lot wiser to let attrition run its course and kill off a good portion of those 2-3 year old machines by waiting until Winter 2010 to make this large of a change in hardware requirements.
Mikalya Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2009.01.16 22:59:00 - [1010] Edited by: Mikalya on 16/01/2009 23:00:27 Originally by: Kagura Nikon Its really hard to believe that are true results. You might need to recheck. Because since the advent of programable GPUs the TnL concept basically means Vertex shaders. And if your card doe snot support vertex shaders then it doe snot support even SM 1.0 If the T&L is made in software then the card is not processign the shader (At least the vertex part) therefore they cannot claim the card itself support any shader model at all! Welcome to the world of integrated Intel graphics His results are correct, I've seen other machines give the same. But he shouldn't have issues playing as the drivers will fool the software into running other than it being dog-slow (but what Intel card isn't).
Bacabachaui Two Brothers Mining Corp.	Posted - 2009.01.16 23:00:00 - [1011] Originally by: Kagura Nikon Originally by: Bacabachaui **I have a question for CCP** After researching the card on my 2 year old basic laptop, it says it supports shader model 2 but "does not support hardware T&L (Transform & Lightning) calculations (which is required for some games)." I have no idea what that means, but will this be a problem running the Lite version in March? Its really hard to believe that are true results. You might need to recheck. Because since the advent of programable GPUs the TnL concept basically means Vertex shaders. And if your card doe snot support vertex shaders then it doe snot support even SM 1.0 If the T&L is made in software then the card is not processign the shader (At least the vertex part) therefore they cannot claim the card itself support any shader model at all! This is where I read it. It does say "It supports DirectX 9.0 with Shader Model 2.0 (Vertex Shader are calculated in Software - by the CPU) and OpenGL 1.4." But I have no idea what that means either :)
Mikalya Amarr Viziam	Posted - 2009.01.16 23:02:00 - [1012] Originally by: Bacabachaui This is where I read it. It does say "It supports DirectX 9.0 with Shader Model 2.0 (Vertex Shader are calculated in Software - by the CPU) and OpenGL 1.4." But I have no idea what that means either :) It will run. The driver does the emulation rather than the vertex shaders being built into hardware. Your performance might suck though.
Bacabachaui Two Brothers Mining Corp.	Posted - 2009.01.16 23:21:00 - [1013] Originally by: Mikalya Originally by: Bacabachaui This is where I read it. It does say "It supports DirectX 9.0 with Shader Model 2.0 (Vertex Shader are calculated in Software - by the CPU) and OpenGL 1.4." But I have no idea what that means either :) It will run. The driver does the emulation rather than the vertex shaders being built into hardware. Your performance might suck though. Thanks. I hope it is not too slow running just one client. I'll just have to roll with the punch and run SETI and compress my HD movies when I am not playing Eve :)
Kagura Nikon Minmatar The Black Dawn Gang	Posted - 2009.01.16 23:26:00 - [1014] Originally by: Bacabachaui Originally by: Kagura Nikon Originally by: Bacabachaui **I have a question for CCP** After researching the card on my 2 year old basic laptop, it says it supports shader model 2 but "does not support hardware T&L (Transform & Lightning) calculations (which is required for some games)." I have no idea what that means, but will this be a problem running the Lite version in March? Its really hard to believe that are true results. You might need to recheck. Because since the advent of programable GPUs the TnL concept basically means Vertex shaders. And if your card doe snot support vertex shaders then it doe snot support even SM 1.0 If the T&L is made in software then the card is not processign the shader (At least the vertex part) therefore they cannot claim the card itself support any shader model at all! This is where I read it. It does say "It supports DirectX 9.0 with Shader Model 2.0 (Vertex Shader are calculated in Software - by the CPU) and OpenGL 1.4." But I have no idea what that means either :) basically means Intel deceived you. By a true definition then they do not support SM2 at all on their CARD because SM 2 includes both pixel and vertex shader. Giving you a software implementation is useless since M$ already gives you one for free on windows. I wish someone big enough would sue a company for doing FAKE advertisement. That is why basically Never ever take a SIS or Intel card over an NVIDIA or AMD one. Never. They are on worse cases. 10 to 15 times superior hardware :( And the worse part is Intel makes propaganda that their mighty hardware will soon make standalone card outdated.. pff :(
Polinus Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2009.01.16 23:43:00 - [1015] Originally by: Mikalya Originally by: Polinus Stuff And you are right in all those points, but that fails to take in account one minor detail: World-wide economic downturn. If CCP was making the decision during good economic times, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Making this decision during this time is a poor business decision, especially when all economic indicators show serious potential issues for the entertainment areas; when times get hard non-essential expenses get cut. It would be a lot wiser to let attrition run its course and kill off a good portion of those 2-3 year old machines by waiting until Winter 2010 to make this large of a change in hardware requirements. Nope I am not forgetting that. But you seem to forget that CCP is part of the world economy and they are on one of the countries that suffered most with it. They might need to cut costs and focus on a way to make their economy survive? Also the world crisis is on CREDIT offer. That has a large effect for companies, but should have near zero effect for SMART persons. because smart persons know to not depend on credit. People need to learn to not use credit to buy everything. The sooner they learn that the better they will get. I live in a 3rd world country and earn a little bit over 150$ per week. I never EVEr had ANY debts, never EVER used a credit card to buy anything except online stuff that requires it. And even then I pay the credit card bill ASAP. You know why this crisis suddenly made "hard" for people to buy new stuff? because they fail at money handling. People that need to use credit to buy a piece of computer hardware have MUCH more serious problems than playing eve. They should forget this stuff and go spend money on a home economy class and learn how to deal with their income. With the very little I earn, very little compared to any US our european player, I have 2 computer, a house I fully own (and without any bills to pay for it, 100% mine) and a car. Then I can buy very easily a new graphic card. Simply by saving 12% of my month income for 1 month. Or if I split in the next 10 months only 1.2% of my income. I know how to handle my income. The difficulty on buying stuff on the " economy crisis" its consumer fault. People that know how to handle and use money might be facing problems to buy a house or a car. But zero change they have problems to buy a new video card. Again people cannot push their own mistakes and low capabilities guilt upon others. Wonder why Brazilian banks and companies are among the few that have suffered nothing with crisis? Because in our crazy economic past they learned. Do not spend more than you have. The ones that learned that have on this economic crisis nothing more than a little inconvenience. So do not blame an immaterial concept on anything. The blamed people are the ones that exactly reach for credit to upgrade a gaming machine. And if you don 't do it, then you with 99% chance are not affected by it to buy the card, with the very exception of people that lost their jobs. But those should not be playing an MMO....
xXxSatsujinxXx Ascent of Ages Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.01.16 23:44:00 - [1016] Heya, just wondering if i'l get any performance hit on this. I'm on an inspiron 9100 (i know... it was a quick replacement after my previous machine went pop, but i've become stuck with it :() Running a Pentium 4 @ 3.4ghz, 1GB RAM, ATI radeon 9800 (which apparently supports SM2)... I currently get between 20-25fps for the most part on classic, just wondering if i'm likely to lose any FPS, cos quite frankly i can't afford to drop any... :( Either way i'l be upgrading soon(tm), i just need to know if i need to do it before march or december...
Viggen Caldari The Lunatic Asylum Notorious Organization of Brothers	Posted - 2009.01.16 23:49:00 - [1017] This was the push I needed... thanks CCP! Have been considering buying a new system for a while now. Atm I have:- Pentium 4, 2.66GHz 1GB 333Mhz RAM 128MB ATi Radeon 9200 (SM1.1 max) No soundcard 120GB Hard Drive (slow) Windows XP Running classic at a poor frame rate but got used to it. But after playing Eve for over 5 years now, I'm not prepared to stop playing at any cost. So I've gone a bit crazy and ordered the following system:- Intel« CoreÖ i7 Quad Core Processor 12GB 1333MHz Triple Channel DDR3 SDRAM 2GB ATi Radeon HD4870 X2 Graphics, DirectX 10.1 (SM4.1) Creative Labs Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme 1TB (1000GB) Hard Drive Vista 64 bit Hoping this system will keep me playing Eve for a further 5 years Looking forward to having the game running fast and smooth, and a first look at the Premium client \o/ Not sure what to expect really lol Thanks again CCP
xXxSatsujinxXx Ascent of Ages Sc0rched Earth	Posted - 2009.01.16 23:52:00 - [1018] Originally by: Viggen Intel« CoreÖ i7 Quad Core Processor 12GB 1333MHz Triple Channel DDR3 SDRAM 2GB ATi Radeon HD4870 X2 Graphics, DirectX 10.1 (SM4.1) Creative Labs Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme 1TB (1000GB) Hard Drive Vista 64 bit lol grats dude, thats gonna be EPIC lol i can only dream
Kagura Nikon Minmatar The Black Dawn Gang	Posted - 2009.01.17 00:04:00 - [1019] Originally by: xXxSatsujinxXx Heya, just wondering if i'l get any performance hit on this. I'm on an inspiron 9100 (i know... it was a quick replacement after my previous machine went pop, but i've become stuck with it :() Running a Pentium 4 @ 3.4ghz, 1GB RAM, ATI radeon 9800 (which apparently supports SM2)... I currently get between 20-25fps for the most part on classic, just wondering if i'm likely to lose any FPS, cos quite frankly i can't afford to drop any... :( Either way i'l be upgrading soon(tm), i just need to know if i need to do it before march or december... It should be running already a little bit faster than this, .. if you are not using a too high resolution. The 9800 card has a very good implementation of SM2. Don' t worry. The only thing I can think might be extressing too much your card is if you play in a resulution much higher than the ones that were common when this card was designed. That is a card from the 1280x1024 age. If you go higher than that, drop Anti aliasing or anisotropic filtering to safe on fill rate,
Kagura Nikon Minmatar The Black Dawn Gang	Posted - 2009.01.17 00:06:00 - [1020] Originally by: Viggen This was the push I needed... thanks CCP! Have been considering buying a new system for a while now. Atm I have:- Pentium 4, 2.66GHz 1GB 333Mhz RAM 128MB ATi Radeon 9200 (SM1.1 max) No soundcard 120GB Hard Drive (slow) Windows XP Running classic at a poor frame rate but got used to it. But after playing Eve for over 5 years now, I'm not prepared to stop playing at any cost. So I've gone a bit crazy and ordered the following system:- Intel« CoreÖ i7 Quad Core Processor 12GB 1333MHz Triple Channel DDR3 SDRAM 2GB ATi Radeon HD4870 X2 Graphics, DirectX 10.1 (SM4.1) Creative Labs Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme 1TB (1000GB) Hard Drive Vista 64 bit Hoping this system will keep me playing Eve for a further 5 years Looking forward to having the game running fast and smooth, and a first look at the Premium client \o/ Not sure what to expect really lol Thanks again CCP sorry to inform you that this won 't cut. ITs (sorry again to use this word) STUPID to spend taht much on s system today to hope to be ok in 5 years. If you spend 1/3 of that today you can run eve on max quality today and in 2 years you spend another 3rd of that and can upgrade for the next 2-3 years .. etc.... But that computer that look uber today wil be a CRAP PC in 5-6 years. And when that day happen by the cost of 1/4 of what you spend now you can buy a much better PC.

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