Originally by: CCP Prism X

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In New Eden, EVE wins you.

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Originally by: Hoshi

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It seems the tactical overlay is broken and without that it's close to impossible to move the probes around to where you want them.

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Originally by: Hoshi

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Ok here is a small problem.

When a probe is recovered it comes in a state where it it's sort of unpacked. That means it can't be stacked with other probes. This in turn means that once you have used all probes once you can only load 1 at a time in the launcher and have to reload after each is launched.

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Originally by: Hoshi

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Ok here is a small problem.

When a probe is recovered it comes in a state where it it's sort of unpacked. That means it can't be stacked with other probes. This in turn means that once you have used all probes once you can only load 1 at a time in the launcher and have to reload after each is launched.

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Originally by: CCP Casqade

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This is by design. You can repack them in station or take 10 seconds for each probe to load back into the launcher.

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Originally by: Avalira

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Originally by: CCP Casqade

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This is by design. You can repack them in station or take 10 seconds for each probe to load back into the launcher.

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Is there a specific reason for this design?

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Originally by: Hoshi

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Would it be possible to show the range from you to the probes on the map? Right now it just shows the range settings on probe it self and not how far away from you it is.

Would make it MUCH easier to move the probes into the correct position that way.

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Originally by: Earthworm

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Is the bug that you need Astrometrics 5 currently to scan because of the aforementioned bug but ultimately will not? Or will Astrometrics 5 be required to scan, regardless of the bug?

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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida

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If you want the wormhole mechanics tested a working probe system is pretty much required.

I sometimes get ability to move a probe, no idea how and its dragged on 2D surface which counters the idea of narrowing a triangle in 3D space down.

I have Astrometrics 5 on SiSi so that's not the issue. There is no context-menu on results and probes cannot be repositioned in 3D space.

Was the Onboard scanner removed from game again?

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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Originally by: Earthworm

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Is the bug that you need Astrometrics 5 currently to scan because of the aforementioned bug but ultimately will not? Or will Astrometrics 5 be required to scan, regardless of the bug?

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That's a defect that we're going to fix. You'll need Astrometrics 1 to use probes.

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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Ah, it sounds like the movement widget isn't showing up properly, which explains a lot. If you turn off scene2* you should be able to see what you're trying to do.

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Originally by: Hoshi

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What if any effect do skills have atm?

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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida

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Edited by: Hirana Yoshida on 09/02/2009 16:21:08
If by 'movement widget' you mean the feminine symbol, I have that already, didn't change with Scene2 off.
(disregard, client restart required for scene2 death :) )

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida

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Edited by: Hirana Yoshida on 09/02/2009 16:21:08
If by 'movement widget' you mean the feminine symbol, I have that already, didn't change with Scene2 off.
(disregard, client restart required for scene2 death :) )

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Yup, you need to restart. There should be a very large and obvious silver thing with arrows which will make your life approx 1000x easier.

(Blog is my responsibility, it'll be done soonish.)


As a general reply to people having trouble with movement and the map in general, it isn't currently working properly with scene2 enabled. If you switch this option off and restart your client, life should get easier

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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Three probes will give you two results*, one above the plane and one below. Four gives you a solid hit which you can warp to.

The result doesn't become warpable until you get a hit with four probes.

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Originally by: Hoshi

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One skill could perhaps effect probe warp speed.

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Originally by: Haral Reimo

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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Three probes will give you two results*, one above the plane and one below. Four gives you a solid hit which you can warp to.

The result doesn't become warpable until you get a hit with four probes.

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Given that those two points generated from 3 probes should be a reasonable degree of accuracy, with the 4th probe just determining between them, is there a reason you don't allow people to just warp to both points to see which one is the actual hit?

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Originally by: Hoshi

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I think the moving widget is a bit too larger, makes it difficult when you have several probes close to each other, can't really see what is going on. Maybe make the center cube smaller and the arrows thinner while keeping their length.

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Originally by: Dragossin

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There seems to be a problem with the conversion from old scan probe launchers to the new ones.

All scan probe launcher I's and recon probe launcher I's i had turned into expanded probe launcher I's (same for the SOE launchers). From what i read here the old scan probe launcher I's should have turned into core probe launcher I's?

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Originally by: Thaliya Dejar

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Got one !!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0902/2009.02.09.16.37.01.jpg

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Originally by: Thaliya Dejar

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Got one !!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0902/2009.02.09.16.37.01.jpg

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Originally by: Brzhk

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Also, selecting multiple probes and click 'recover' jsut recovers the one on which the menu has been opened.

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Originally by: Verite Rendition

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So what is a wormhole classified as on the scanner?

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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Originally by: Thaliya Dejar

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Got one !!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0902/2009.02.09.16.37.01.jpg

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You win a prize of some kind. Did you try going through it yet?

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Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists

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What i noticed is, with the very small scanning duration the cov ops bonus is not much worth anymore. More important tho, with triangulation making bms for dropping probes is a must, and the very fast warp speed of the cov ops makes that very frustrating.

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Originally by: Hoshi

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I now have 8 probes in a rough sphere around a site, all sitting at around 0.1 au range and have their range set to the minimum (0.25) and I still can't get more than 77.35% strength. Is that how it's supposed to be?

http://www.ludd.ltu.se/~mcgreag/eve/2009.02.09.17.25.34.jpg
http://www.ludd.ltu.se/~mcgreag/eve/2009.02.09.17.25.25.jpg

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Originally by: Leere

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what do the different result symbols mean?

sometimes I get a red circle, what does it represent? and sometimes I get a dot like the old result symbols but I still can't warp to it.

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Originally by: Leere

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so the best thing to do on it then would just mash scan over and over with .25 probes all around it?

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Originally by: Leere

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Edited by: Leere on 09/02/2009 18:00:20
so the best thing to do on it then would just mash scan over and over with .25 probes all around it?

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Originally by: Hirana Yoshida

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Edited by: Hirana Yoshida on 09/02/2009 17:51:04
Edited by: Hirana Yoshida on 09/02/2009 17:50:00
Had two successful probings now, one a FW major site (hard to find) and a gas harvest site.

Moving probes;
1. Turn off Scene2 and restart client.
2. Drop a probe and notice the POS style placement cursor. Drag or push the arrown until the box is in desired location.
Note: There is a ~5s delay from making last adjustment until probe enters warp, so not much room for butter fingers.

Drop four probes in system, each with enough range to cover at least half the system (ie. 64au gate-gate, use 32au probes)
If any of the probes report a hit selecting the result will show which probe is the winner. Converge all other probes on it reducing scan range to the reported range.

-If two probes report in a circle will show approximate location and range. Move the two other drones to encompass the circle. Reduce range as needed.

-When three probes report in, a 'traditional' result will show red/yellow. Reduce probe range and move close so the result is in the overlap of all four .. repeat until result goes green (100%) and warp away.

Critique: Have a result using 5 probes all down to 0.25AU evenly spaced around result in an 0.4 system and I am unable to get result over 75%. At this range everything becomes one big mess and nearly impossible to adjust probes. Perhaps tweak the probe strength?

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Originally by: Hoshi

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I managed to get it down to 81% before I gave up, just not worth the trouble :)

Btw it seems that probe position and moving widget position doesn't always line up. If I unclick active (to see better the relative positions of the probes) and then click it again the sphere and widget can be at a different position, sometimes it's moved all the way back to my ship while other times it might just be 0.1-0.2 au wrong. Makes it very annoying to make fine adjustments.

Here is one example:
The selected probe is in the cluster with the other probes while the sphere + widget is over by my ship.
http://www.ludd.ltu.se/~mcgreag/eve/2009.02.09.17.45.05.jpg

And here is another one where the sphere + widget is 0.1 au too much to the left (the selected probe is Probe 48 at the center of the screen).
http://www.ludd.ltu.se/~mcgreag/eve/2009.02.09.17.46.28.jpg

Not sure how to recreate, just seems to happen randomly.

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Originally by: Merin Ryskin

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Uh, silly question, since I don't have Astrometrics V on any character, but can someone say whether this system does or does not apply to scanning for ships? Currently on TQ, I can drop a single probe and have a warpable scan result in under 30 seconds as long as they aren't in deadspace, but it sounds like this new system will take quite a bit longer.

If the new system does apply to ship scanning, have you considered the major game balance changes involving safespot busting?

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Originally by: Leere

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Edited by: Leere on 09/02/2009 18:00:20
so the best thing to do on it then would just mash scan over and over with .25 probes all around it?

more than a few times I've also had probes get stuck moving or warping and I'll have to recall them to reset them

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Originally by: Demeterus

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Is there an ETA on when you will be able to scan without Astrometrics V? As it is now, it's fairly pointless to be on SiSi and help out with testing if you're not actually able to test anything. :)

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Originally by: Deva Blackfire

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Originally by: Leere

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Edited by: Leere on 09/02/2009 18:00:20
so the best thing to do on it then would just mash scan over and over with .25 probes all around it?

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Exactly what i was thinking just now. Start 4x 32au, when you find signature (even 0,1%) reduce all probes to 0,25au and get em close to sig.

Or maybe im wrong?

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Originally by: Leere

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how do the strentghs of the probes work? is a core probe at 8au stronger or weaker than a deep space at 8au?

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Originally by: Mikal Drey

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the deep space probes have a minimum range of 8 AU but the drag bubble will drag to a smaller range then spring back to 8 AU. Is there any way to lock the bubble minimum drag distance to 8au ? tbh this seems to be very superflous code. no point in doing something tis nto capable of :/

also if you get a hit (red, yellow, spot) etc you cant warp to it so your ship is going to be stuck floating in space scanning whilst toally able to get hunted down and killed and you wont notice cause your buried in the map :/ can you scan whilst cloaked ?

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Originally by: Deva Blackfire

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Originally by: Deva Blackfire

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Originally by: Leere

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Edited by: Leere on 09/02/2009 18:00:20
so the best thing to do on it then would just mash scan over and over with .25 probes all around it?

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Exactly what i was thinking just now. Start 4x 32au, when you find signature (even 0,1%) reduce all probes to 0,25au and get em close to sig.

Or maybe im wrong?

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Quoting myself, but:
it is exactly as i said. You need to add some deviation to results (so they land within shorter scan range) otherwise whole system is pointless.

ATM:
1. drop 1x 32au - if there is sig:
2. drop 4x 32au - find location of sig (move around so you get 1x 1,5% str. and do not get any doubles)
3. reduce range to 0.25, move all probes within sig range. Plex found. Total time: less than 3 minutes.

Proposed:
1. drop 32au - find plex
2. drop 4x 32au - find location (as above)
location is 0-16au from point you see on map (depends on plex difficulty). Thus you need to make your way "down"
3. reduce range to 16au, get 8au result
4. reduce range... etc

Ofc. result (and deviation) would be sig str. dependant. A bit more complicated but disables cheating as in 1st (currently on sisi) method. Well... unless you want all plexes to be WAY easier to scan that it is now on TQ.

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Originally by: Gnulpie

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Where can I chose what I am scanning for?

I don't want to scan for cosmic anomalies, structures, drones or whatever. I just want to scan for wormholes.

But somehow the selection box is gone where I was able to chose what I want to scan for.

Really, that cannot but intended but has to be a bug?

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Originally by: Deva Blackfire

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Back to my questions:

- what is deep space probe for
- do wormholes show as "cosmic signature" in results? or different?

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Originally by: DeepBlue

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this looks like a bug:

i just found a wormhole
warping there got me this message:
"Readings from your ship's computer suggest that this wormhole is likely to take you elsewhere in 0.0-rated space."


approaching it with cheetah and trying to jump gave this message:
"This wormhole has collapsed"

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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This is how I intended it to work originally; I'm not sure why that doesn't match up with the patchnotes... The logic is that any ship which has a current launcher fitted has enough CPU to fit the expanded launcher, and at that point why would you want the less-capable core one? It's something we could change (if I buy Prism X some chocolate), but I think the current change makes more sense personally.

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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Yes, this applies to ships, and yes it will make finding ships harder. Personally I'm happy with this - the current system is IMO too fast, and apart from anything else made ship probing far less common, in my experience. With the old old system people would use safespots because good probing pilots were rare and it took a long time. When the old system came in and everyone realized that there's no such thing as a safespot, the chances of actually finding someone (outside missions and so on) became much lower. I'm interested to see how this new system affects things.

That said, if you do have a strong opinion on this issue, please explain it here clearly :)

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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Yes, this applies to ships, and yes it will make finding ships harder. Personally I'm happy with this - the current system is IMO too fast, and apart from anything else made ship probing far less common, in my experience. With the old old system people would use safespots because good probing pilots were rare and it took a long time. When the old system came in and everyone realized that there's no such thing as a safespot, the chances of actually finding someone (outside missions and so on) became much lower. I'm interested to see how this new system affects things.

That said, if you do have a strong opinion on this issue, please explain it here clearly :)

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Originally by: Merin Ryskin

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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Yes, this applies to ships, and yes it will make finding ships harder. Personally I'm happy with this - the current system is IMO too fast, and apart from anything else made ship probing far less common, in my experience. With the old old system people would use safespots because good probing pilots were rare and it took a long time. When the old system came in and everyone realized that there's no such thing as a safespot, the chances of actually finding someone (outside missions and so on) became much lower. I'm interested to see how this new system affects things.

That said, if you do have a strong opinion on this issue, please explain it here clearly :)

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Sure. Saying this as a low-sec pirate, experiences may be different elsewhere:

The problem with increasing scan times is that currently, even my covops alt with under a 30 second scan time has problems finding a target. Like you said, a lot of people realize that probes are a threat, so they either change safespots frequently, or keep refreshing a 14au 360* scan looking for scan probes to appear. I prefer the second option, I'll still safespot (especially while waiting to warp in on a target of my own), but I'll keep that scan up and warp to a new location as soon as a probe appears in the scan results.

Currently, with under 30 second scan times, it works at least some of the time. Scan the target, destroy probe, and with a little luck, the target isn't aware that they've been found and a gank fleet is on the way. However, if you increase the time to get a warpable scan result, you vastly increase the chances that the target realizes you're looking for them and warps off.

Or, in the case of safespotting while looking for a target (vs. safespotting to hide), the target finishes their search and warps in for the kill. Or moves on to a new system because they can't find anything. Or whatever other reason for moving on, but in the end, you only have a very limited window where the target is vulnerable.


Now, this applies much less to scanning for mission ships (and for deadspace sites themselves, of course), since it almost always takes multiple scan attempts, the mission runner is usually focused on their mission instead of watching for threats, and they have considerable motivation to finish their mission instead of warping off. So I don't think the new system will be a problem here.

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Originally by: Verite Rendition

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5isk to the first person that can throw up a video showing probing as working. Because I have 8 probes out right now with a 100% signal strength on a cosmic sig, and I still can't get anything to warp to.

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Originally by: mamolian

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Figured it out at last /\

Its an interesting system.. Slow and clunky and not very intuitive.. Looking forward to seeing it when it goes live..

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Originally by: DeepBlue

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Edited by: DeepBlue on 09/02/2009 19:32:09
evening once more,

seems there are sig around here, wich just cant be found.

My char has:
- Maxed out scanning skills
- full virtue set, and other scanning relevant implants

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0902/2009.02.09.19.24.37.jpg

all i can get on this site is 32.28% sig strength, with 7 probes!
for each probe i add it gives a additional 0.5 sig strenght.

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Originally by: DeepBlue

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Edited by: DeepBlue on 09/02/2009 19:32:09
evening once more,

seems there are sig around here, wich just cant be found.

My char has:
- Maxed out scanning skills
- full virtue set, and other scanning relevant implants

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0902/2009.02.09.19.24.37.jpg

all i can get on this site is 32.28% sig strength, with 7 probes!
for each probe i add it gives a additional 0.5 sig strenght.

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Originally by: DeepBlue

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Edited by: DeepBlue on 09/02/2009 19:32:09
evening once more,

seems there are sig around here, wich just cant be found.

My char has:
- Maxed out scanning skills
- full virtue set, and other scanning relevant implants

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0902/2009.02.09.19.24.37.jpg

update to this. Now have the 5th wich isnt findable!

all i can get on this site is 32.28% sig strength, with 7 probes!
for each probe i add it gives a additional 0.5 sig strenght.

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Originally by: DeepBlue

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Edited by: DeepBlue on 09/02/2009 19:32:09
evening once more,

seems there are sig around here, wich just cant be found.

My char has:
- Maxed out scanning skills
- full virtue set, and other scanning relevant implants

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0902/2009.02.09.19.24.37.jpg

all i can get on this site is 32.28% sig strength, with 7 probes!
for each probe i add it gives a additional 0.5 sig strenght.

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Originally by: DeepBlue

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Edited by: DeepBlue on 09/02/2009 19:32:09
evening once more,

seems there are sig around here, wich just cant be found.

My char has:
- Maxed out scanning skills
- full virtue set, and other scanning relevant implants

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0902/2009.02.09.19.24.37.jpg

all i can get on this site is 32.28% sig strength, with 7 probes!
for each probe i add it gives a additional 0.5 sig strenght.

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Originally by: Gnulpie

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Originally by: DeepBlue

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Edited by: DeepBlue on 09/02/2009 19:32:09
evening once more,

seems there are sig around here, wich just cant be found.

My char has:
- Maxed out scanning skills
- full virtue set, and other scanning relevant implants

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0902/2009.02.09.19.24.37.jpg

all i can get on this site is 32.28% sig strength, with 7 probes!
for each probe i add it gives a additional 0.5 sig strenght.

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Do you have all probes in one plane? Not easy to see on the screenshot. You need the probes in a 3d arrangement, not only 2 dimensions like a plane.

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Originally by: CCP Casqade

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Originally by: Hoshi

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Ok here is a small problem.

When a probe is recovered it comes in a state where it it's sort of unpacked. That means it can't be stacked with other probes. This in turn means that once you have used all probes once you can only load 1 at a time in the launcher and have to reload after each is launched.

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This is currently by design. You can repack them in station or take 10 seconds for each probe to load back into the launcher.

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Originally by: Verite Rendition

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BTW, what the heck happened to multispec probes? And what's with results not returning as radar/ladar/grav/mag/unknown? Finding a radar when you want an unknown and vice versa is going to get very annoying very quickly.

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Originally by: Halada

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Anyone is ****ed at the fact Signal Acquisition 5 takes 32ish days to train and with this awesome new system you end up saving 1 second ???

Epic fail... can I get those 30 days back?

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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What [skills will] probably end up doing is that everything that currently affects scan time will be switched to scan strength and vice versa, and the scan deviation one stays the same.
{snip}
This isn't all implemented yet so if you have opinions please share them!

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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Originally by: Haral Reimo

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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Three probes will give you two results*, one above the plane and one below. Four gives you a solid hit which you can warp to.

The result doesn't become warpable until you get a hit with four probes.

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Given that those two points generated from 3 probes should be a reasonable degree of accuracy, with the 4th probe just determining between them, is there a reason you don't allow people to just warp to both points to see which one is the actual hit?

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Actually now I think about it, it's possible that those two points are indeed warpable. I can't remember exactly

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Originally by: Hoshi

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Ok I made a vid, not a very good one but at least something.
Was a bit unlucky ending up with a low strength site so I needed more than 4 probes and also got hit by the moving sphere bug once.

No narration nor any voice over, you will have to have to try to figure out yourself what is happening. I'll look at making a better one tomorrow.

Btw at one time I recall all my probes and launch again, this is not needed but due to the jiffiness of moving probes I feel it's mostly faster to do it that way than to move the probes a fairly large distance.

http://ww.ludd.ltu.se/~mcgreag/eve/scan.mkv 65.3mb 8min

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Originally by: Ancy Denaries

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faillink? You missed a "w".

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Originally by: Armoured C

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post in evetube.com so i dont have to download it but stream it pwease =)

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Originally by: CCP Prism X

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I can invent ways to get free candy for you where the implementation is so bad that you'd never want to see candy again in your whole life.

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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What they'll probably end up doing is that everything that currently affects scan time will be switched to scan strength and vice versa, and the scan deviation one stays the same.

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Originally by: CCP Prism X

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I can invent ways to get free candy for you where the implementation is so bad that you'd never want to see candy again in your whole life.

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Originally by: Deva Blackfire

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Originally by: Deva Blackfire

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Originally by: Leere

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Edited by: Leere on 09/02/2009 18:00:20
so the best thing to do on it then would just mash scan over and over with .25 probes all around it?

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Exactly what i was thinking just now. Start 4x 32au, when you find signature (even 0,1%) reduce all probes to 0,25au and get em close to sig.

Or maybe im wrong?

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Quoting myself, but:
it is exactly as i said. You need to add some deviation to results (so they land within shorter scan range) otherwise whole system is pointless.

ATM:
1. drop 1x 32au - if there is sig:
2. drop 4x 32au - find location of sig (move around so you get 1x 1,5% str. and do not get any doubles)
3. reduce range to 0.25, move all probes within sig range. Plex found. Total time: less than 3 minutes.

Proposed:
1. drop 32au - find plex
2. drop 4x 32au - find location (as above)
location is 0-16au from point you see on map (depends on plex difficulty). Thus you need to make your way "down"
3. reduce range to 16au, get 8au result
4. reduce range... etc

Ofc. result (and deviation) would be sig str. dependant. A bit more complicated but disables cheating as in 1st (currently on sisi) method. Well... unless you want all plexes to be WAY easier to scan that it is now on TQ.

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Originally by: DrAtomic

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Well i can't say I find the manual movement/placement of probes to be userfriendly, the map gets in the way big time (moonlists, and stations you hover over popping up and cluttering your clicks/view). Returning probes suffer from the drone recall issue plus they are too slow (can out run them easily).

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Originally by: Deva Blackfire

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Proposed:
1. drop 32au - find plex
2. drop 4x 32au - find location (as above)
location is 0-16au from point you see on map (depends on plex difficulty). Thus you need to make your way "down"
3. reduce range to 16au, get 8au result
4. reduce range... etc

Ofc. result (and deviation) would be sig str. dependant. A bit more complicated but disables cheating as in 1st (currently on sisi) method. Well... unless you want all plexes to be WAY easier to scan that it is now on TQ.

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Originally by: Tanhar

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Thanks to bug and old mirror I couldn't try new probing, but, based on other posts, can we say that:

- signal acquisition skill
- specialized astrometrics ships bonuses
- sister's launcher bonus
- implant bonus

are for all practical purposes deleted from the game ?

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists

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What i noticed is, with the very small scanning duration the cov ops bonus is not much worth anymore. More important tho, with triangulation making bms for dropping probes is a must, and the very fast warp speed of the cov ops makes that very frustrating.

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The covert ops is going to get its bonus changed, as will several skills and all the rigs and implants.

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Originally by: Sali Ladoon

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Originally by: Tanhar

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Thanks to bug and old mirror I couldn't try new probing, but, based on other posts, can we say that:

- signal acquisition skill
- specialized astrometrics ships bonuses
- sister's launcher bonus
- implant bonus

are for all practical purposes deleted from the game ?

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no these skills gets changed to whatever ccp thinks will be the best

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Originally by: Mskpath3

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Oh God, it's the return of the POS module movement widgets. Oy.

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Originally by: Capa

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So if you wake up one morning and it's a particularly beautiful day, you'll know we made it.

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Originally by: Halada

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Suggestions:
-If possible, camera control needs to be changed. Allow the view to be locked on anomalies scanned so we can rotate the camera around it for easier placement.
-Reduce the size of the boxes

<snip>

Since really the only important thing is the signal strength now, everything that helped reduce the speed of scanning needs to change for a strength bonus (rigs, implants, etc...). Truth be told the 4.6mil SP trained to get astrometic triangulation, pinpointing and signal acquisition will mean a huge loss whatever you do to change them. Thats 70 days of training you won't be able to make truly worthwhile now that you changed the entire system.

I look forward to try the probing again without the insanely annoying warping timer tbh. Will make it a lot less frustrating and stressful.

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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It's not chance-based any more so mashing the button isn't going to help, I'm afraid.

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Originally by: Jenny Law

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it might be already somewhere here. but ill ask anyway.

the exploration probes are now gone and you got just one probe to use.
before you had the mulitspectral probe to get the info, is it worth probing more in this system or not.

how do you get that info now?
or do you need to set 4au probes at every planet and probe on a chance based theory and hope you get a result and then start triangulate the result that you got?

if so that means it can take several scanns just to find if the system contains something or not and you might give up before you get the first hit thinking that there was nothing in the system.

i would just like a confirm or something on this function so that we know what to expect.
thx :)

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Originally by: ollobrains2

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but quicker probing time, i can see the system getting some minor tweaks but going thro as is, just means u need to relearn it

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• Raising scanning time (as opposed to the number of steps) when dealing with lower signature sized targets. For example: being able to double the precision of a probe while sacrificing the scan time (by also doubling it). So with lower signature size targets you will be forced to use longer scanning time in order to move a step further (= scan range divided by 2).


• Raising the numbers of steps needed when dealing with lower signature sized targets. Basicly adding more in-between ranges to the probes so you will have to use more ranges to get to your target (if its sig is low).

Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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Originally by: Dragossin

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There seems to be a problem with the conversion from old scan probe launchers to the new ones.

All scan probe launcher I's and recon probe launcher I's i had turned into expanded probe launcher I's (same for the SOE launchers). From what i read here the old scan probe launcher I's should have turned into core probe launcher I's?

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This is how I intended it to work originally; I'm not sure why that doesn't match up with the patchnotes... The logic is that any ship which has a current launcher fitted has enough CPU to fit the expanded launcher, and at that point why would you want the less-capable core one? It's something we could change (if I buy Prism X some chocolate), but I think the current change makes more sense personally.

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Originally by: Neddy Fox

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Q for the devs : What about our system scanning arrays? What's going to happen with them?

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Originally by: Neddy Fox

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HOWEVER : do NOT make hard plexes easier to find ! People complaining that they can't get a result over 80% after trying for half an hour have never ever tried to pin down a 10/10 (which can take 6 MANHOURS now).

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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Edited by: CCP Greyscale on 09/02/2009 17:19:04

The result doesn't become warpable until you get a hit with four probes.

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Originally by: DeepBlue

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Edited by: DeepBlue on 10/02/2009 09:28:45

Originally by: Neddy Fox

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HOWEVER : do NOT make hard plexes easier to find ! People complaining that they can't get a result over 80% after trying for half an hour have never ever tried to pin down a 10/10 (which can take 6 MANHOURS now).

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then come to S-EVIQ and try to find that bugger wich wont give me more the 79.5%, with 8 probes covering it. :-)

and a 10/10 plex i find in under 15 mins (if its in system ofc), with the old system.

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Originally by: Thorondir 42

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Hm, found a Wormhole, was able to use it, but why does it bring me from Syndicate to Impass and not WH-space ...

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Originally by: Thorondir 42

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Hm, found a Wormhole, was able to use it, but why does it bring me from Syndicate to Impass and not WH-space ...

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Originally by: Thorondir 42

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Hm, found a Wormhole, was able to use it, but why does it bring me from Syndicate to Impass and not WH-space ...

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Originally by: Ancy Denaries

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Originally by: Thorondir 42

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Hm, found a Wormhole, was able to use it, but why does it bring me from Syndicate to Impass and not WH-space ...

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Because all wormholes are connected to another wormhole that doesn't necessarily reside in WH space...

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Originally by: Thorondir 42

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Originally by: Ancy Denaries

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Originally by: Thorondir 42

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Hm, found a Wormhole, was able to use it, but why does it bring me from Syndicate to Impass and not WH-space ...

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Because all wormholes are connected to another wormhole that doesn't necessarily reside in WH space...

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in the dev-post below there ist no mentioning of k-k wormholes ....

http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=982776&page=12#356

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Originally by: Lost Hamster

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I have currently only one comment: In the scanner window:
- The recover and destroy probe button are to close to each other. it¦s to easy to miss click. If you made the window bigger, the 2 button sticks together.
It would be helpful to have more space between the 2 button.

Ps: I don't want to create a bug report, as there is already one. id: 69598

Have a nice day! :)

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Originally by: mamolian

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Edited by: mamolian on 10/02/2009 10:34:32
So far I've had no issue finding out every single Signature/Anomoly I've decided to go look for, with a little patience..

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Originally by: Garkonite

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Edited by: Garkonite on 10/02/2009 11:43:14
This is stupid, i get it to 76% and cant get it any closer, HAS ANYONE AT ALL hit 100% on a scan

and i got the probes as close as possible to the stupid cosmic sig... should i be using 6 probes rather then 4?

EDIT: Sorry i hit 79% as my best with abotu 8 probes launched.....

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Originally by: Karox Lominax

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Edited by: Karox Lominax on 10/02/2009 06:56:22

Originally by: Jenny Law

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it might be already somewhere here. but ill ask anyway.

the exploration probes are now gone and you got just one probe to use.
before you had the mulitspectral probe to get the info, is it worth probing more in this system or not.

how do you get that info now?
or do you need to set 4au probes at every planet and probe on a chance based theory and hope you get a result and then start triangulate the result that you got?

if so that means it can take several scanns just to find if the system contains something or not and you might give up before you get the first hit thinking that there was nothing in the system.

i would just like a confirm or something on this function so that we know what to expect.
thx :)

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Your long range probes (theres 2 varients, a generic long range and a generic short range) can scan up to 64au I think from what I've seen, and they are guaranteed to find at least a weak signal if theres something in the system, which is then located by using triangulation of multiple probes.

If the system is larger than 64AU im presuming you need to use multiple 'long range' probes to cover the entire area of space before you work on the located sites.

Note theres no such thing as a 4au probe anymore, all probes have variable sizes, seems the long range probes can do 1au (I think) to 64au, and the short range probes can do up to 0.25 AU with obviously higher strength to get a complete fix on the spot when your longer range probes wont correctly identify the site.

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Originally by: Thorondir 42

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Hm, found a Wormhole, was able to use it, but why does it bring me from Syndicate to Impass and not WH-space ...

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Originally by: Jowen Datloran

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Originally by: Thorondir 42

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Hm, found a Wormhole, was able to use it, but why does it bring me from Syndicate to Impass and not WH-space ...

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CCP Prism X answers.

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Originally by: Deva Blackfire

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Id say it can be much faster than current TQ system BUT moving probes around system is really a pain. System map needs tactical overlay for probe and signature "height". Or like someone proposed - you drag and drop probes on X Y plane and CTRL+drag for Z axis (like in homeworld). Would be like 10x faster.

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Originally by: Halada

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Also, once an anomaly is detected and we get the blue circle, could we select it and sort of lock our view on it so we can circle around it without jerking with the right and left button to get our bearings for our 4 probes trying to triangulate it properly.

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Originally by: Verite Rendition

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BTW, what the heck happened to multispec probes? And what's with results not returning as radar/ladar/grav/mag/unknown? Finding a radar when you want an unknown and vice versa is going to get very annoying very quickly.

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Originally by: Kjellerup

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Except for the fact that there's no option to repackage them when you are docked :( (I'm using some old probes that were 'converted' to Core probes, which may explain why I can't repackage them)

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Originally by: DrAtomic

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Please please please decrease the powergrid requirement to what it was, it's hard enough fitting everything on a helios as is (powergrid wise) or give the helios 1 powergrid more to compensate.

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Originally by: NeoThermic

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On an unrelated note, perhaps a hotkey would be a good idea to hide the movement widgets altogether? Several times i have obtained a scan result but been unable to see its location on the solarsystem map because it was INSIDE an arrow. Deactivating the probe solves the issue but then we get the above problem

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Originally by: Miss Moonwych

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This is a good proposal. There will however still be another problem: if scanning only takes a few secs (and assming with deviation the result is different each time) then you can scan several times and you can see the average/mean position of the deviated locations. That way you can still place a lot shorter range probes at the right positions and find it really quickly.

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Originally by: FeralShadow

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PvP Probing
-FeralShadow

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Originally by: Miss Moonwych

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Lets say there are 5 types of sites to find: level 0 through level 4. What you probably want is something like this (time to find the site):

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Originally by: Neddy Fox

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The new system will virtually make it impossible to pin them down. Also, the results MUST show shiptypes like it does now, w/e the range is.

Q for the devs : What about our system scanning arrays? What's going to happen with them?

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Originally by: Zeba

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Edited by: Zeba on 10/02/2009 09:22:59

Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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Originally by: Dragossin

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There seems to be a problem with the conversion from old scan probe launchers to the new ones.

All scan probe launcher I's and recon probe launcher I's i had turned into expanded probe launcher I's (same for the SOE launchers). From what i read here the old scan probe launcher I's should have turned into core probe launcher I's?

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This is how I intended it to work originally; I'm not sure why that doesn't match up with the patchnotes... The logic is that any ship which has a current launcher fitted has enough CPU to fit the expanded launcher, and at that point why would you want the less-capable core one? It's something we could change (if I buy Prism X some chocolate), but I think the current change makes more sense personally.

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Ack! Please don't convert my sisters recon launcher into an expanded! There are several combat ships I use that have an empty utility high and nothing to put in it past an autotargeter. The sisters core launcher would be a perfect fit and needed insurance if the probe ship gets iced in w-space!

edit: Also after perusing all of my ship fits a further reduction of the cpu from 15 to 10 for the core and 10 to 5 for the sisters would let me have the choice to use the core on any ship with an extra utility high and then the sisters for those oh so tight 6 cpu left fits.

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Originally by: Jowen Datloran

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Originally by: Thorondir 42

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Hm, found a Wormhole, was able to use it, but why does it bring me from Syndicate to Impass and not WH-space ...

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CCP Prism X answers.

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Originally by: DeTox MinRohim

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Originally by: Jowen Datloran

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Originally by: Thorondir 42

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Hm, found a Wormhole, was able to use it, but why does it bring me from Syndicate to Impass and not WH-space ...

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CCP Prism X answers.

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Contrary to what Prism X said, it has been the norm so far for me. I have yet to find one (3 or 4) that brought me to an unknown space. All brought me to a known system.

42 jumps away though, that makes a mighty jump bridge.

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Originally by: CCP Greyscale

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If you want to use homeworld-style controls just use the vertical arrows and the top/bottom surfaces of the cube and that gives you planar+vertical movement.

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Originally by: Jaguar Dragon

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In reading others posts, it seems i have a problem nobody else is having.

Can't get map to open and work right, most all things are not working right.seems everything i try is not working right.

so lets just help me with map. i click to open it and it opens, but not properly. its almost invisable. the curent view from space and or station is still there on top of map.

hard to discribe

any advise pls

Jag

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Originally by: Seven Often

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Edited by: Seven Often on 10/02/2009 13:33:46
I'd love to try this but I can't buy anything from market... ships, probes, etc...
So the question is: Is it just me ?

Edit: My wallet is flashing but nothing shows up in my hangar...

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