A change only "necessary" because miners adamantly refused to adapt for ... counting on my fingers... 5 years of Hulkageddons?

If miners had adapted to the situation, and gankers were crying, I'd be laughing at them. But that's not the situation. CCP has stepped in (yet again) because Miners cried loud and long that they were too lazy to adapt. CCP has decided to reward that.

They are supposed to cost more to gank than they cost to replace when fitted for their role.

why do you want a risk-free hisec

tell me that

Wow what an over statement.

hint: they're not going to cost more to replace than what it costs to gank them even after 1.1

let's see

crimewatch, which will prevent you from ganking a freighter or an officer-fit faction battleship because otherwise looting it means that anyone can shoot you and bring all the neutral RR they want and you can't shoot at their RR

this unnecessary change catering to afk miners who feel entitled to profit while only alt-tabbing from their movie to move ore to their orcas

yeah, welcome to a risk-free hisec. a new game enhancement - err, experience!

"but hisec isn't going to be totally risk-free because we might still die to rats" heh

Yeah, I was confused as to what miners were referring to when they said that mining with a 100K EHP Skiff was 'low-risk activity'.

I was sitting there trying to figure out where the 'low' risk was coming from.....

it was the high-sec belt rats, thats what it was.

Oh wait - belt rats aren't even strong enough to crack the passive regen of an AFK skiff.

So what makes it 'low' risk activity as opposed to virtually 'no-risk' activity?

-Accidentally hitting the self destruction button and not noticing it?

-Accidentally ejecting and someone jacks your Skiff?

-Someone flipping your can? Oh wait, you don't need cans anymore.

Poor choice of words. The ganker is not supposed to be able to profit from killing miners when fitted for their role.
They are not war ships never intended to be war ships. But after this change I can see them getting used for some war ship type roles. Again unintended for EVE but then that never stopped most of the posters in this thread.

i dunno maybe wardecs?

Poor choice of words. The ganker is not supposed to be able to profit from killing miners when fitted for their role.
They are not war ships never intended to be war ships. But after this change I can see them getting used for some war ship type roles. Again unintended for EVE but then that never stopped most of the posters in this thread.

if you're afk mining while under a wardec you deserve to be blown up, your corpse paraded through jita and laughed at by everyone

I see what you did there and that is clearly not the case except in your own mind. The devs have stated that it was a mistake to make the miner vessels profitable to be ganked. But they do not intend to make them gank proof. They are supposed to cost more to gank than they cost to replace when fitted for their role. That was stated already by a dev in this thread. You are wrong. And it has nothing at all to do with a poor war fit as a miner is not a war vessel. It is intended for mining. Just because you can does not mean you should.

What happens in EVE when anyone pushes an exploit too far. It gets nerfed. How many times do you have to be nerfed before you get the hint? Obviously the devs have not nerfed you enough yet. You are still beating the dead horse.

i dunno maybe wardecs?

you know this happens to peeps running annoms in 0.0 all the time (afk thing getting ganked)

or are you also trying to stealth suggest that annoms in 0.0 are also risk free?

LOL, no silly guy. I'll let you in on a secret:

If wardecced, miners are free to drop corp until the war is over, and mine as the aggressor hadn't wasted millions of ISK.

Try again.

let's see

crimewatch, which will prevent you from ganking a freighter or an officer-fit faction battleship because otherwise looting it means that anyone can shoot you and bring all the neutral RR they want and you can't shoot at their RR

this unnecessary change catering to afk miners who feel entitled to profit while only alt-tabbing from their movie to move ore to their orcas

yeah, welcome to a risk-free hisec. a new game enhancement - err, experience!

ah you have yet to hear about my new crusade against npc corps...

tldr:

they must go and be replaced with faction warfare militias only. your people are at war and need your service for the republic!

yes and guess what this char is used for?!?!?

avoiding wars by beign in an npc corp so i can haul stuff to my low sec waypoint and use my thanny to move stuff to 0.0 for me... plus he is also a cyno alt...

hey i am going to use the feature as long as its here...

i am just saying its stupid and should be removed...

risk free is silly if you ask me...

empire freighter alts are so 2007, pubbies will haul your freighter-sized loads for peanuts these days

let's see

crimewatch, which will prevent you from ganking a freighter or an officer-fit faction battleship because otherwise looting it means that anyone can shoot you and bring all the neutral RR they want and you can't shoot at their RR

this unnecessary change catering to afk miners who feel entitled to profit while only alt-tabbing from their movie to move ore to their orcas

yeah, welcome to a risk-free hisec. a new game enhancement - err, experience!

empire freighter alts are so 2007, pubbies will haul your freighter-sized loads for peanuts these days

"Killing miners when fitted for their role"

translates to

"I don't have to tank because I don't believe Exhumers were meant to tank. Therefore it is unfair when a Catalyst blows one up for a minimal cost..."

Sorry, not a compelling argument.

i am going to ask again because i didn't got a answer yet
WHY AREN'T PEOPLE ALLOWED TO AFK MINE IF THEY WANT? You goons and other nullsec idiots have your AFK moongoo , so that shouldn't be allowed if you continue with your logic

As an example I was only ganked once and I was in a retriever at the time. A destroyer took me out. Then he abandoned his wreck, turned it blue. I recovered my wreck and his without even getting a timer on me for looting his wreck. I made out enough to outfit almost two retrievers. He lost far more than I did and yet he still made the choice to do what he did with no input from me at all. He did not even get insurance but I did.
This is the kind of players EVE has for the vast majority. You guys making these arguments represent almost nobody else except your selves when you say these things that are completely rediculous statement in the extreme. The vast majority of EVE players are no where near this level of play. They will still do it because it is fun. Even if it is costly.