The last fit is realistic and yet can be easily busted by 3 T1 Catalysts worth less than a combined 10mil ISK.

No it wont. Again we have tested this hence why we did not go after these supertank hulks in our interdiction.

[Catalyst, Suicide t1]
Gauss Field Balancer I
Gauss Field Balancer I
Gauss Field Balancer I

Initiated Harmonic Warp Scrambler I
[empty med slot]

Limited Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Limited Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Limited Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Limited Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Limited Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Limited Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Limited Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Limited Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S

Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
[empty rig slot]


Hobgoblin I x1

Don't martyr yourself. You don't get bonus points for doing a boring task in a stationary manner.

You CHOSE it. And besides...suicide ganking isn't all fun and laughs either. Try scanning empty haulers for 3 hours, and finding nothing worth attacking.

One of the biggest problems with miner attitude:
"Mining is boring so I'm entitled to have a ship that allows me to be AFK and mine without paying attention."

No, you aren't.

You should be allowed to AFK mine, but you shouldn't be able to AFK mine without risk.

Nor should gankers be required to spend a fortune to provide that risk.
They WON'T spend a fortune, because they aren't stupid. The main risk in highsec mining (the only risk) will simply go away.

Which is what 90% of the miners on here want.....

Not just to AFK mine - but to do it without fear of losing their property, and thats BS.

You're wrong. Again.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13920646

25k EHP w/ heat. 3 T1 Catalysts. 15mil in drops + whatever Salvage + Goon bounty. Highly profitable gank of well-fit Hulk.

Covetor/hulk: ore bay is identical to its current cargo hold, little to average EHP, but best mining output. Basically made for group operations when players have industrials and protection to back them up.

511 dps heated, so ~8k before concord blows you to hell, so 24k for 3 Catalysts. Not enough to kill any of the Hulks

[Hulk, Incredible Hulk]
Damage Control II
Reinforced Bulkheads II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

32k w/ Heat, T2 rigs, 3 CPU and 0 PG to spare. I'd LOVE to see the Hulk fit that has more. And this thing is an abomination. Nobody should be forced to fit this way just to survive a few Catalysts out for profit.

This fit on SiSi has 22k EHP

[Hulk, Hulk, tank]

Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Damage Control II

Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Anyway, nobody is forced to fit any tank to avoid ganks. They only have to fit a brick tank to avoid ALL profitable ganks in .5 sec space while totally AFK.

Just because you don't know how to tank a Hulk properly, doesn't mean the Hulk needs a buff.

CCP SOUNDWAVE PLS HOLD MY HAND I'M PARALYZED IN FEAR OF THE BIG BAD GANKERS AND AM TOO STUPID TO DEFEND MYSELF.
PLS REMOVE NONCONSENSUAL PVP FROM HISEC, CONCORD ALL GOONS ON SIGHT, BAN SCAMMING AND CAN FLIPPING, AND LET US SHOOT NINJA SALVAGERS.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE PURPOSE OF THIS GAME AND WANT A SAFE CORNER OF IT FOR MYSELF.

Cool rhetoric, bro.

Except you're wrong on every point. But that hasn't stopped you or your compadres from posting before, so why stop now?

I've done far more ganking of miners, including using 1 catalyst to solo a hulk in .5s It's horribly unfair, the guy can do nothing about it, I land right on top of him and he's dead before he can get past 10m/s. If I really want I can bump him with an alt for one mwd cycle and then he's really boned.

Get to SiSi and see yourself. Brick tank = 22k EHP before fleet boost.

Oh nevermind, you don't have skills...

If that's with TQ stats, a Hulk can do better with T1 rigs.

[Hulk, Tank Fit]

Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Internal Force Field Array I

Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

39k EHP vs Void. 3 CPU, .1 Grid available. Requires a 4% grid rig or downsize to T1 strips.


Anyway, nobody is forced to fit any tank to avoid ganks. They only have to fit a brick tank to avoid ALL profitable ganks in .5 sec space while totally AFK.

[Hulk, Tank]

Mining Laser Upgrade II
Damage Control II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Domination EM Ward Amplifier
Survey Scanner II

Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

this is on normal sever one mod is a 40 mill but on a 300 mill ship it justify it. You also need a CA-2 implant
23.8k EHP
26.1k heated

I would think after the patch it will be better with the HP buff

Plugged this into EFT - unless you are not listing implants best EHP I could find was 32k using the 'All lvl V' pilot and overheating modules. That was against explosive. Thermal is 25k. Not sure what I am missing here.

In that case, we're talking about post 1.2 where the way to tank your ship is to USE. A. SKIFF.

And a Hulk being fragile is fine because it's the ship you use when you have friends to help defend you.

Bolded for you. The numbers should be about the same vs AM. It also has enough tank vs EMP, Quake, Fusion, or PP to survive 2 volleys of a Nado. No Fleet boosts, and only a 4% Grid Inplant.

If they bring 2 Nados, they're spending 140m to kill you. That's shot profit in the face.

You ganked a Hulk in 0.5 space with a Catalyst.

"Its horribly unfair" - that suggests that there is nothing he can do about it.

"The guy can do nothing about it" Why do you promote misinformation???

FALSE: He can tank.
One DCUII in the lows, and he survives that gank. One flight of ECM drones, he can stops two Catalysts. A few other mods, he can survive three .

FALSE: He can mine in a safer place than 0.5..
FALSE: He can stay aligned and warp off before you land.
and on and on...I'm not going to list all the ways.

If you are going to make an argument, at least try not to back it up with discredited bullcrap.

Profitability in ganking is largely irrelevant.

If you lost X amount of isk per gank, but your income was that same X amount more than the miner, you could sustain your gank squad indefinitely. Eventually that would cause pilots who pay via PLEX to no longer play Eve. And at 200+mil a loss for the miner, it would not take long if one was 'singled out'.

Need waders for the **** piling up from pointless "Max tank" Hulk fits.

Need a snorkel to breathe with all the ganker tears.

Waders must be low slots...too bad my lows are all full of tank fittings. Snorkel is a high slot but it seems I only have one or two in most mining vessels.

The only PVP ships that max tank fit are bait...so why should miners be expected to give up Yield for max tank? This is akin to removing all damage mods on PVP or PVE ships..which is rarely ever done. Some slots used for tank makes sense surely, but the extreme bullshit suggested here is pathetic.