That won't happen as long as I'm around, btw.

Suicide ganking wasn't designed to be profitable, it's meant to be an option that let's you punish someone else at your expense. The money you paid for a ship to gank with compared to the money lost by your target was completely off and this change should bring that to a better spot. That said, the numbers can still be adjusted.

Problem with tis argument is that it can fit a tank.

I am still convinced that some of you gankers are just crying about the fact that ganking became suddenly so much harder for you

It damn well SHOULD be profitable!!!

High risk of getting ganked is pretty much the ONLY balancing factor for flying no-tank-all-yield mining barges. Instead of having to choose between low-risk and profitability, you're now simply handing the miners both. *facepalm*

And what's up with all the miners cheering for this? With all the stupid/greedy/lazy miners being weeded out by gankers, the smarter 'third pig' miners are making a LOT more money. Perhaps you should stop being so stubborn on trying to be piggie #1 and #2, complaining about wolves.

except it can't without both rigs, which is exactly the point. when mining ice you can't fit the tank.

just because it's not a tank ship shouldn't mean it can't fit a tank.

No, when mining ice to it fullest you must fit a smaller tank. If you want the best safety get a skiff.

There are 3 factors in a mining ship.

Yield
Cargo
Tank

After a certain amount, Tank doesn't matter because you become expensive to gank.

The current SISI Mack is over that number, so the Skiff's tank is irrelevant.

i don't want the best safety; i just want to be able to fit a tank without having empty slots because there's not enough cpu on the ship.

i love my drake and it fits 4 bcus and a full tank, that's 4 damage mods. mining barges can't even fit less than that and have a decent tank. do you really not see the issue?

103 barrels of ganker tears, I'd say this must be a good year !! -that stuff's gonna be hot !

Thats because barges are not combat ships. They are only for mining and thus, fit differently to combat ships. Problem with miners is that they think that they should get the max yeild and still be able to have a good tank. No other ship can do this so why should miners?

Thats because barges are not combat ships. They are only for mining and thus, fit differently to combat ships. Problem with miners is that they think that they should get the max yeild and still be able to have a good tank. No other ship can do this so why should miners?

Please point out an example of such tears.

And you can stop me from using ceptor as hauler or missioning in recon?

Gankers are quite happy with the changes to the barges, its the miners who are whining because we can still gank them for profit if they fail to fit a tank or pick the skiff.

if they are only for mining and not combat, why can people shoot at them and engage them in combat? outrageous statements on both sides.

i don't want max yield and a good tank; i want max yield and be able to fill all the slots. i know as soon as i drop the mlus i can fit bulkheads and damage control and have the best tank. by having mlus you're already trading dcu and bulkheads, why should i be further penalised by not being able to fill my mid slots?
again; i can fit a drake with a good tank and max damage is it really that absurd that miners should be able to fit max yield and a good tank? **** i think i can even squeeze a utility [prop mod, painter, scram whatever] mod on to my drake too with that setup. so saying no other ship can do it it is utter crap, the drake quite adequately does it.

Of course we can't stop you, but we can gank you if you do. Ceptors and Recons who aren't paying attention are really easy to gank (especially since your Recon will have to be active tanked).

Not all of them just the good ones, and those seems pretty clear nothing will stop them because they use "brains" before F1 so I have nothing against those, but I do against the majority of no brainers F1 mongoloids filling these barrels of tears.
I'm sure you've noticed it too.

You can shoot them because they are a ship and this is EVE.

[Hulk, Impossible mids]
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Upgraded EM Ward Amplifier I
Rock-Scanning Sensor Array I

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal I

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Yep, impossible

i can't even be bothered to pyfa that to see how much ehp it has, besides it's almost lunch time.

It's not surprising that the devs are trying to appeal to the incredibly stupid baby masses - making changes or improvements for the hardc0re 1337 players doesn't help them as a business. Doing stuff like this will potentially draw in or retain the new terribad players. Thats why there's so much focus on frigates, destroyers, mining barges, etc.

And because of that Pilgrim is such a terrible all-in-one exploration ship...

AFK Exploration Pilgrims in a site* are pretty easy to gank. Just like AFK Mining ships. If you're ATK and flying it properly, a mining barge will be safe, just like an ATK Pilgrim.

OP and other "hardcore" PVP players spending their time ganking defenseless ships in hisec should listen to their own advice they've been shouting for so long and LEARN TO ADAPT !

It's not surprising that the devs are trying to appeal to the incredibly stupid baby masses - making changes or improvements for the hardc0re 1337 players doesn't help them as a business. Doing stuff like this will potentially draw in or retain the new terribad players. Thats why there's so much focus on frigates, destroyers, mining barges, greyscales awful ideas for crimewatch, etc.