Ever heard of "more dps in groups"?

No, Miners are stupid because they cba to fit a dang tank or fly their ships to avoid ganks.

Even if it were true that they can't fit enough tank to survive a profitable gank in .5 (it's not), there's no reason they can't head to safer space where the cost to gank them hovers around the cost of the ship.

no, they won't do 500 dps to both targets because the ships will have different resistances.

not to mention the faction battleship can ignore the catalyst because it has enough ehp that concord will be there before the catalyst can even get through it's shield.

Ever heard of "more dps in groups"?

Thats why you fit a tank.

OK, so people are laughing at you because EHP is the HP which includes the resists,

and when do other ships have to sacrifice ALL of their med and low slots to fit a tank? why do people have a hard time grasping this?

to fit a tank to a hulk you have to give up all of your non-high slots. you either end up relying on hull buffer with a damage control, or you have to give up a low for a power core thingy to fit a substantial shield tank.

a drake can easily get a substantial tank and still fit a rack of ballistic controls. a hulk can't fit a shield tank and even half the amount of mining upgrades a drake could fit in ballistic controls.

some thing needs to change whether it's a straight up ehp buff or a fitting upgrade. the current "tank your exhumer" thing is complete bullshit.

Thats why you fit a tank.

Fit a Midslot/Rigslot Tank and MLUs and mine in 1.0space and you'll be fine.

OK, so people are laughing at you because EHP is the HP which includes the resists, but I won't derail and will instead make the point clearer.

I can make a Vindicator do ~2000 dps and have 5 90% webs, which would make it most efficient in it's role. Sadly, it would only have 45k EHP and so 4 or 5 Catalysts fit for 1mil a piece could take down my 1.5bil battleship in highsec, as I autopiloted to my destination.

However, you are more likely to see people fitting what is commonly known as a "tank" to their ships; this is when you add to the EHP or self rep capability. When you do this, it will break 200k EHP with ease. Sadly, it will no longer do as much DPS (1200-1300) which means you are gimping it's role by at least 40%

Apparently, asking a miner to do what every one else does in the game is just TOO GOSH DARN hard.

You are not a special case, you're just bad at EvE. Taking your 200mil ship and NOT TANKING IT is silly.

Fit a Midslot/Rigslot Tank and MLUs and mine in 1.0space and you'll be fine.

The Special Snowflake brick tank is required only to counter a special snowflake team of many T1 Dessies in .5 space. Anywhere else, you can fit a smaller tank and still be unprofitable.

1) Don't AFK jihad
2) Stay aligned. Maybe you could gank somebody and warp off before concord gets you, if you have the skill
3) Bring moar deeps bro, safte in numbers
4) Risk more expensive boats bro, safety in larger ehp
5) Pay for and use a wardec for all griefing. Yes, we do provide you with weekly wardec permits at a modest fee. Please donate a few hundred mil isk in advance to absolute strangers prior to probably not receiving any notice on the success of your application.
6) Join an intel channel, maybe they can give you the 411 in the event that Concord jumps into local
7) Set your standings so you can spot Concord easy
8) Set your overviews properly broskies
9) Stay docked until Concord gets bored
10) Move to Low-sec where Concord doesn't care to gank you if you gank some mining bear
11) Move to 0.0 where Concord can't reach you and your brosefs can provide you with safe jihadding space with helpless miners to boot
12) Move into a WH where there is no Concord, or anything else for that matter.

:D

2) Stay aligned. Maybe you could gank somebody and warp off before concord gets you, if you have the skill

and when do other ships have to sacrifice ALL of their med and low slots to fit a tank? why do people have a hard time grasping this?

once you fit a t2 invuln and passive em hardener you're out of cpu with 2 spare mids.

Intercepters, any hauler with expensive cargo, front line fleet armour ships, heavy tackle ectect. The intercepters dont even get to tank themselves if they wantto be usefull.

front line fleet armour ships

If only there were some way to increase your CPU without using a Low slot...

What, you say there is?

Enough tank to require 2 Nados in 1.0


[Hulk, Hisec Mininh]

Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I

the difference is the intercepters have the option to tank with speed; other ships don't have that option.
haulers with expensive cargo are called orcas; you can fly a naked orca and nobody will gank you.
not quite sure what you mean with front line fleet armour ships so i'll just leave that one.

literally all the ships you listed have a alternate way to tank.

good point; forgot about those rigs.
and now we have to give up a rig slot to mine ice the ehp buffs are totally justified.

Nope. Because now you have the Skiff. If you're worried about suicide ganking, you use the Skiff. The Mack and Hulk are for other situations where you're not worried about it.

So now Mack is fleet ship too?

So now Mack is fleet ship too?

Nope it's a Solo ship. It's not just an AFK ship.

Nope. Because now you have the Skiff. If you're worried about suicide ganking, you use the Skiff. The Mack and Hulk are for other situations where you're not worried about it.

just because it's not a tank ship shouldn't mean it can't fit a tank.

Go look up the tier 3 battlecruisers

just TRY and fit a tank to those

You can try, but its a fairly pointless exercise

edit - waitwaitwait.... im not beign drawn into this therad again

you almost had me

Go look up the tier 3 battlecruisers

just TRY and fit a tank to those

You can try, but its a fairly pointless exercise

edit - waitwaitwait.... im not being drawn into this thread again

you almost had me

just because it's not a tank ship shouldn't mean it can't fit a tank.