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Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 130	Posted - 2012.07.30 15:22:00 - [2131] - Quote La Nariz wrote: Skippermonkey wrote: Skippermonkey wrote: CCP Soundwave wrote: Yeah my point is that I don't think they should be profitable to gank. I think it should be possible, but not necessarily profitable (profitable might be the wrong word, but more that the expenses should be higher for the attacker than the defender). Well, as long as you get the balance right i dont think anybody can seriously complain... As it stands, we have cause for concern. Just one example - Why should an Exhumer get a greater shield resists per level bonus than a HIC? edit - its as if the stats have been dreamed up by a DEV thats been suicide ganked on his alt account one too many times So, did anyone answer this question regarding Exhumer resists vs HIC resists i posed the other day? I'd really like to know I'd like to know this as well. All Exhumers have T1 resists on SiSi.
Skippermonkey Tactical Knightmare 1211	Posted - 2012.07.30 15:25:00 - [2132] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: La Nariz wrote: Skippermonkey wrote: Skippermonkey wrote: CCP Soundwave wrote: Yeah my point is that I don't think they should be profitable to gank. I think it should be possible, but not necessarily profitable (profitable might be the wrong word, but more that the expenses should be higher for the attacker than the defender). Well, as long as you get the balance right i dont think anybody can seriously complain... As it stands, we have cause for concern. Just one example - Why should an Exhumer get a greater shield resists per level bonus than a HIC? edit - its as if the stats have been dreamed up by a DEV thats been suicide ganked on his alt account one too many times So, did anyone answer this question regarding Exhumer resists vs HIC resists i posed the other day? I'd really like to know I'd like to know this as well. All Exhumers have T1 resists on SiSi. I remember it being stated they get a 7.5% bonus to shield resists per level, is this still in place? My homeboys tried to warn me But that butt you got makes me so horny
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1506	Posted - 2012.07.30 15:27:00 - [2133] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: This fit has 22k EHP with current stats on SiSi. eve's fitting window bases EHP on the lowest resist and your EM resist is nothing stellar, not that it matters because catalysts, the current FOTM hulk ganking ships, don't deal EM damage EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE)
Carola Kessler Lost Sisters Of New Eden Freelancer Coalition 36	Posted - 2012.07.30 15:30:00 - [2134] - Quote actually it seems Exhumer resists are lowered from 7,5% per skill level to somewhat like 5%, after had a short convo on SIngularity with CCP Goliath, he said it maybe cause of a bug or some miscalculating in the formula happened in the latest patch, current patch doesn't seem to have this adressed, so we need to wait until the responsible Designer Dev is back and had a look at it. friendly greets Carola Kessler
stoicfaux 1346	Posted - 2012.07.30 15:31:00 - [2135] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: stoicfaux wrote: Meh, relying on CCP to buff, nerf and otherwise pick sides in the gankers versus miners drama is bad design. Defending or killing miners really should be up to the players. IMO, CCP should have used the CrimeWatch overhaul fix the ganking problem, specifically by making the criminal flag permanent. If you want to gank someone, go for it, but don't be surprised if the rest of the community/faction hunts you down, sanctions you, revokes your docking privileges, and denies access to station services for being such a twit. Tradable kill rights would accomplish the exact same thing. As far as permanent crime flags, a few barge ganks will already put you below -5, making you a free target for anyone, anywhere. It shouldn't take multiple crimes to get you below -5. And ratting up sec status shouldn't absolve one of the crimes. CONCORD may have a short memory, but players don't. Tradable kill rights don't go far enough, IMO. Teamwork aka community aka public action should be the primary factor in making high-sec safe. And that only works if everyone is allowed to be part of the neighborhood criminal watch. This having to watch a known criminal repeat their crimes over and over is just too reminiscent of some US court systems. And in case it wasn't obvious, CONCORD should have a diminished role. You can tell me what is and isn't Truth when you pry the tinfoil from my cold, lifeless head.
Smohq Anmirorz State War Academy Caldari State 28	Posted - 2012.07.30 15:31:00 - [2136] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Dave stark wrote: it's more commendable to be able to do some thing bad, and choose not to do it rather than not doing it because you can't. Beware you are just saying one of the greatest blasphemies in the current trash "I will do everything unless prevented to" culture. That's not what that says.
Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 130	Posted - 2012.07.30 15:31:00 - [2137] - Quote Skippermonkey wrote: I remember it being stated they get a 7.5% bonus to shield resists per level, is this still in place? 5% and base resists are T1. So that's nowhere near T2 ships.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 1751	Posted - 2012.07.30 15:33:00 - [2138] - Quote Werst Dendenahzees wrote: The difference being that New Eden is an hilarious crapsack world of rampant capitalism. Rampant capitalism clearly forbids keeping their own operative units functional against enemies. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 762	Posted - 2012.07.30 15:36:00 - [2139] - Quote stoicfaux wrote: It shouldn't take multiple crimes to get you below -5. And ratting up sec status shouldn't absolve one of the crimes. CONCORD may have a short memory, but players don't. Tradable kill rights don't go far enough, IMO. Teamwork aka community aka public action should be the primary factor in making high-sec safe. And that only works if everyone is allowed to be part of the neighborhood criminal watch. This having to watch a known criminal repeat their crimes over and over is just too reminiscent of some US court systems. And in case it wasn't obvious, CONCORD should have a diminished role. Okay, well, I'm happy we agree that only players should have the sole responsibility to police other players. As far as the multiple crimes thing goes, that's irrelevant to a ganker anyway. It is, however, not irrelevant to a noobie making a mistake, and/or a person having no other alternative to take revenge against someone who has really aggrieved him (unless wars/NPC corps are fixed). A single gank not immediately setting you permanently flashy is simply decent game design. The ratting thing I agree with as well. Let me buy my way out, just like I can in real life. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 1752	Posted - 2012.07.30 15:36:00 - [2140] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: As far as permanent crime flags, a few barge ganks will already put you below -5, making you a free target for anyone, anywhere. You mean, for the couple of seconds before you have warped back to a safe spot? Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1506	Posted - 2012.07.30 15:38:00 - [2141] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Destiny Corrupted wrote: As far as permanent crime flags, a few barge ganks will already put you below -5, making you a free target for anyone, anywhere. You mean, for the couple of seconds before you have warped back to a safe spot? yeah you can't simply hide in a safespot while -5 you also can't cloak let me tell you about "faction police" EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE)
Werst Dendenahzees GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 102	Posted - 2012.07.30 15:39:00 - [2142] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: Werst Dendenahzees wrote: Are you even in Nullsec? There's no real money to be had compared to running level 4 missions forever, unless you rat in a carrier. I've heard you can get 60M/hr ratting. Plus officer spawns... Can be solo'd too. That would be with a carrier or very good tengu. Officer spawns cannot be soloed.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 1752	Posted - 2012.07.30 15:39:00 - [2143] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: Jorma Morkkis wrote: Richard Desturned wrote: 60m/hr ratting is nothing compared to grinding the incursion equivalent of l2 missions for 120m/hr Even if you blitz L4s you can't get 120M/hr. running vanguards with a non-horrible fleet gets you that, if not more, with ease and there's literally no risk because even if dudes in blackbirds start suicide jamming logis, CCP will just nerf suicide ECM Because of a certain sheet mentality, where once somebody has done a feat like this, then everybody and their mother will spam the same feat - in a massively industrialized way - till CCP have to stop it else the game becomes unplayable. If only people would care to do stuff with moderation.... but no, if 1 did boomerang then 1000000000 will do boomerang, if 1 web scrambled then the next week 10000000 will web scramble. Surprised CCP nerfs that? Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1506	Posted - 2012.07.30 15:39:00 - [2144] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: Skippermonkey wrote: I remember it being stated they get a 7.5% bonus to shield resists per level, is this still in place? 5% and base resists are T1. So that's nowhere near T2 ships. exhumers have always had t2 resists by virtue of, well, being t2 hulls EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE)
Werst Dendenahzees GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 102	Posted - 2012.07.30 15:40:00 - [2145] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: Richard Desturned wrote: "oh man i won't have NPCs fight my battles for me, THE HORROR" Like tanking Concord is very difficult... L2P. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnjK5EVsIfI Freezehunter wrote: Jorma Morkkis wrote: Werst Dendenahzees wrote: Are you even in Nullsec? There's no real money to be had compared to running level 4 missions forever, unless you rat in a carrier. I've heard you can get 60M/hr ratting. Plus officer spawns... Can be solo'd too. That is the biggest load of bullshit I've ever heard. Back when I lived in Nullsec I could make 400mil-1.5 bil from running a single Sanctum. If you did anomalies and escalations you could get rich FAST. If you only make 60 mil per hour in 0.0 you are doing it VERY wrong. Dear god I hope those two guys are trolls
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 1752	Posted - 2012.07.30 15:41:00 - [2146] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: and even if you do manage to get away with your ship, that's considered an exploit and gets you banned get out with your "let me show you these 6 year old videos to prove my point" posts How many got banned for using boomerang and then getting out? Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1506	Posted - 2012.07.30 15:42:00 - [2147] - Quote Werst Dendenahzees wrote: Dear god I hope those two guys are trolls freezehunter was simply not up to date on "CCP didn't like people making ISK in nullsec so they nerfed sanctums to the ground and nobody does them anymore" EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE)
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 1752	Posted - 2012.07.30 15:43:00 - [2148] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Pipa Porto wrote: The Special Snowflake brick tank is required only to counter a special snowflake team of many T1 Dessies in .5 space. Anywhere else, you can fit a smaller tank and still be unprofitable. Many T1 dessies is not a special snowflake at all. 2-3 of them is what every non rookie ganker use in 0.7 and below. Usually they don't use more as they seem to get bored and scale up to bigger hulls past 5 catalysts. and generally they're not going to bother with a hulk that tanks 50k ehp from blasters because, you see, it tanks 50k ehp from blasters, and 66k if you have the hardeners preheated and fire them on when catalysts land They don't bother with that hulk because the best harassment you can impose on a guy using such a stupid setup is to let him live and be useless forever. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1506	Posted - 2012.07.30 15:43:00 - [2149] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: How many got banned for using boomerang and then getting out? anyone who did it after it was announced as an exploit, perhaps? EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE)
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1506	Posted - 2012.07.30 15:44:00 - [2150] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: They don't bother with that hulk because the best harassment you can impose on a guy using such a ******** setup is to let him live and be useless forever. yeah that worthless setup that mines 2213 m3/minute with orca bonuses and no implants and can survive 3 catalysts in 0.5 i'm sure all of the max-yield hulks laugh at him when they're dying every other day to solo catalysts in 0.7 because they totally have it all figured out EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE)
Werst Dendenahzees GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 102	Posted - 2012.07.30 15:44:00 - [2151] - Quote Werst Dendenahzees wrote: Dear god I hope those two guys are trolls To elaborate: Tanking Concord has been nerfed since 2006. You just can't. And about nullsec income: 400mil from a Sanctum? That's about 10x too much. A Forsaken hub (9/10 anomaly) has maybe 25-30mil in bounties and 10m in loot and salvage. It takes an hour to run and salvage in a standard t2 drake/noctis.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 1752	Posted - 2012.07.30 15:46:00 - [2152] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: How many got banned for using boomerang and then getting out? anyone who did it after it was announced as an exploit, perhaps? See the mentality I described above? - "I will do whatever asinine till the guards stop me" (sadly now also prevalent in RL) - "It is convenient to ignore that evading Concord was well forbidden well before boomerang got deemed as an exploit". All those who did boomberang but then also evaded Concord (two separate acts) should all have been banned. But alas, they didn't. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1506	Posted - 2012.07.30 15:46:00 - [2153] - Quote Werst Dendenahzees wrote: Werst Dendenahzees wrote: Dear god I hope those two guys are trolls To elaborate: Tanking Concord has been nerfed since 2006. You just can't. And about nullsec income: 400mil from a Sanctum? That's about 10x too much. A Forsaken hub (9/10 anomaly) has maybe 25-30mil in bounties and 10m in loot and salvage. It takes an hour to run and salvage in a standard t2 drake/noctis. people used to make mad money from sanctum running because the risk/reward of the game was pretty balanced then CCP decided to nerf sanctums and introduce incursions which brought pre-nerf sanctum level income to the safety of hisec EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE)
Werst Dendenahzees GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 102	Posted - 2012.07.30 15:47:00 - [2154] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Richard Desturned wrote: Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: How many got banned for using boomerang and then getting out? anyone who did it after it was announced as an exploit, perhaps? See the mentality I described above? - "I will do whatever asinine till the guards stop me" (sadly now also prevalent in RL) - "It is convenient to ignore that evading Concord was well forbidden well before boomerang got deemed as an exploit". All those who did boomberang but then also evaded Concord (two separate acts) should all have been banned. But alas, they didn't. Technically speaking Boomerangs didn't evade concord. They eventually died to concord. They just delayed it.
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 1752	Posted - 2012.07.30 15:48:00 - [2155] - Quote Richard Desturned wrote: Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: They don't bother with that hulk because the best harassment you can impose on a guy using such a ******** setup is to let him live and be useless forever. yeah that worthless setup that mines 2213 m3/minute with orca bonuses and no implants and can survive 3 catalysts in 0.5 i'm sure all of the max-yield hulks laugh at him when they're dying every other day to solo catalysts in 0.7 because they totally have it all figured out They die maybe once every 3 weeks and only if they play AFK, don't delude yourself. In the mean time they make a substantial higher income than the guy sitting silly in his overtanked coffin and it covers possible losses. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1506	Posted - 2012.07.30 15:48:00 - [2156] - Quote Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: See the mentality I described above? - "I will do whatever asinine till the guards stop me" (sadly now also prevalent in RL) - "It is convenient to ignore that evading Concord was well forbidden well before boomerang got deemed as an exploit". All those who did boomberang but then also evaded Concord (two separate acts) should all have been banned. But alas, they didn't. the only thing considered "evading concord" is killing something and keeping your ship boomerang tornadoes were eventually blown up by concord, but the idea that you can kill a freighter with one tornado is just silly EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE)
Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State 130	Posted - 2012.07.30 15:48:00 - [2157] - Quote Werst Dendenahzees wrote: Officer spawns cannot be soloed. Mute audio... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3yFf9MDP_M Richard Desturned wrote: exhumers have always had t2 resists by virtue of, well, being t2 hulls Go to SiSi and check yourself if you don't believe. 1) Dowload: http://community.eveonline.com/download/?s=singularity 2) Log in 3) ??? 4) Profit!
Vaerah Vahrokha Vahrokh Consulting 1752	Posted - 2012.07.30 15:49:00 - [2158] - Quote Werst Dendenahzees wrote: Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: Richard Desturned wrote: Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: How many got banned for using boomerang and then getting out? anyone who did it after it was announced as an exploit, perhaps? See the mentality I described above? - "I will do whatever asinine till the guards stop me" (sadly now also prevalent in RL) - "It is convenient to ignore that evading Concord was well forbidden well before boomerang got deemed as an exploit". All those who did boomberang but then also evaded Concord (two separate acts) should all have been banned. But alas, they didn't. Technically speaking Boomerangs didn't evade concord. They eventually died to concord. They just delayed it. No, a guy explicitly did experiments (that he promptly posted on GD!) at how he could perma evade Concord even on an Oracle. After 15 minutes Concord just stopped chasing him iirc. Auditing \| Collateral holding and insurance \| Consulting \| PLEX for Good Charity Twitter channel
Richard Desturned GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 1506	Posted - 2012.07.30 15:49:00 - [2159] - Quote Jorma Morkkis wrote: Werst Dendenahzees wrote: Officer spawns cannot be soloed. Mute audio... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3yFf9MDP_M Dec 20, 2010 EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE)
knobber Jobbler 196	Posted - 2012.07.30 15:50:00 - [2160] - Quote Freezehunter wrote: Jorma Morkkis wrote: Werst Dendenahzees wrote: Are you even in Nullsec? There's no real money to be had compared to running level 4 missions forever, unless you rat in a carrier. I've heard you can get 60M/hr ratting. Plus officer spawns... Can be solo'd too. That is the biggest load of bullshit I've ever heard. Back when I lived in Nullsec I could make 400mil-1.5 bil from running a single Sanctum. If you did anomalies and escalations you could get rich FAST. If you only make 60 mil per hour in 0.0 you are doing it VERY wrong. Doesn't work like that any more. CCP is killing off nullsec. They've gone back to making it easier to make money in high sec level 4's or even Incursions. I'm actually really disappointed in what CCP is doing, null sec is the only part of this game with anything content generating going on in it and they're continually either reducing the ISK generating aspects of it, adding in new mechanics which affect alliance level money generation without adding in member level money generation or adding in industry to null sec. Nothing is made out in null apart from capitals. That has to change. Null has to be attracting people, not a 1 way ticket to bankruptcy.

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