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TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc Elysian Empire
174
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Posted - 2012.07.30 15:52:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:Meh, relying on CCP to buff, nerf and otherwise pick sides in the gankers versus miners drama is bad design. Defending or killing miners really should be up to the players. IMO, CCP should have used the CrimeWatch overhaul to fix the ganking problem, specifically by making the criminal flag permanent. If you want to gank someone, go for it, but don't be surprised if the rest of the community/faction hunts you down, sanctions you, revokes your docking privileges, and denies access to station services for being such a twit.
Or lets just give those meanie head gankers a 30 day ban so you can mine in absolute safety
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Danny Diamonds
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2012.07.30 15:52:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:Danny Diamonds wrote:SEC rating is not properly enforced. Then enforce it. You're allowed to shoot any -5 or lower character you see. Go to a suicide-gank-heavy system, and sit in the belts with alpha boats/logistics/booster links for the miners. Or are you saying you want NPCs to enforce it for you?
I never said that, nor implied it. Stop making **** up, troll.
-5 and lower are not the only ones ganking. Nice try though. SEC status is too easily changed. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1752
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Posted - 2012.07.30 15:54:00 -
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knobber Jobbler wrote:Freezehunter wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Werst Dendenahzees wrote:Are you even in Nullsec? There's no real money to be had compared to running level 4 missions forever, unless you rat in a carrier. I've heard you can get 60M/hr ratting. Plus officer spawns... Can be solo'd too. That is the biggest load of bullshit I've ever heard. Back when I lived in Nullsec I could make 400mil-1.5 bil from running a single Sanctum. If you did anomalies and escalations you could get rich FAST. If you only make 60 mil per hour in 0.0 you are doing it VERY wrong. Doesn't work like that any more. CCP is killing off nullsec. They've gone back to making it easier to make money in high sec level 4's or even Incursions. I'm actually really disappointed in what CCP is doing, null sec is the only part of this game with anything content generating going on in it and they're continually either reducing the ISK generating aspects of it, adding in new mechanics which affect alliance level money generation without adding in member level money generation or adding in industry to null sec. Nothing is made out in null apart from capitals. That has to change. Null has to be attracting people, not a 1 way ticket to bankruptcy.
They shoud simply have made impossible to bot PvE in supercaps and similar other smart ideas. Be glad CCP are not surgeons when cutting nerfs, they'd remove your appendix live and with a rusti machete.
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Werst Dendenahzees
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
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Posted - 2012.07.30 15:55:00 -
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The current income ranking for shooting red crosses is something like
Wormholes > Incursions (highsec) > Pro ratting in a carrier/carrier assisted tengu(nullsec) > Pro level 4s in a pimped marauder (highsec) = Tengu ratting (nullsec) > Drake/belt ratting (nullsec) > Bad level 3-4s (highsec)
While the risk/effort is
Wormholes >= sov nullsec >>>>>>> level 4s and highsec incursions
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1506
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Posted - 2012.07.30 15:55:00 -
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Danny Diamonds wrote:SEC status is too easily changed.
tell me how easy it is to raise sec status EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |

Werst Dendenahzees
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
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Posted - 2012.07.30 15:56:00 -
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Keep linking stuff from 3 years ago, it's perfectly relevant and accurate. |

March rabbit
R.I.P. Legion Red Alliance
218
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Posted - 2012.07.30 15:56:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Werst Dendenahzees wrote:Are you even in Nullsec? There's no real money to be had compared to running level 4 missions forever, unless you rat in a carrier. I've heard you can get 60M/hr ratting. Plus officer spawns... Can be solo'd too. yeah because everyone gets an officer spawn 60m/hr ratting is nothing compared to grinding the incursion equivalent of l2 missions for 120m/hr i have heard some alliance completely refunds ship losses of its members.... 
question is: if nullsec is so totally poor where did all that money came from?  |

Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
130
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Posted - 2012.07.30 15:56:00 -
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Werst Dendenahzees wrote:The current income ranking for shooting red crosses is something like
Wormholes > Incursions (highsec) > Pro ratting in a carrier/carrier assisted tengu(nullsec) > Pro level 4s in a pimped marauder (highsec) = Tengu ratting (nullsec) > Drake/belt ratting (nullsec) > Bad level 3-4s (highsec)
While the risk/effort is
Wormholes >= sov nullsec >>>>>>> level 4s and highsec incursions
So, you want W-space nerfed? |

Danny Diamonds
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2012.07.30 15:56:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Danny Diamonds wrote:SEC status is too easily changed. tell me how easy it is to raise sec status
Oh, sorry I forgot that Goons don't know how to raise SEC status, or how to recycle alts. Nullsec blinders are the best blinders. |

SavageBastard
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.07.30 15:56:00 -
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Freezehunter wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Werst Dendenahzees wrote:Are you even in Nullsec? There's no real money to be had compared to running level 4 missions forever, unless you rat in a carrier. I've heard you can get 60M/hr ratting. Plus officer spawns... Can be solo'd too. That is the biggest load of bullshit I've ever heard. Back when I lived in Nullsec I could make 400mil-1.5 bil from running a single Sanctum. If you did anomalies and escalations you could get rich FAST. If you only make 60 mil per hour in 0.0 you are doing it VERY wrong.
You "could" make. I "could" make 1.5 - 2 billion off a single blood plex if the right module dropped. I "could" make 10 billion off a single blood belt if the right modules dropped. In reality those drops are very rare and people make their modest isk/hour like anyone else.
You "could" make an intelligent, well informed post next time and wow us all. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1752
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Posted - 2012.07.30 15:57:00 -
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Werst Dendenahzees wrote:The current income ranking for shooting red crosses is something like
Wormholes > Incursions (highsec) > Pro ratting in a carrier/carrier assisted tengu(nullsec) > Pro level 4s in a pimped marauder (highsec) = Tengu ratting (nullsec) > Drake/belt ratting (nullsec) > Bad level 3-4s (highsec)
While the risk/effort is
Wormholes >= NPC nullsec >>>>>>> sov nullsec > level 4s and highsec incursions
Fixed for you.
Yes I was one of those going to sheet in the L4 missioning systems in Stain, no way you can do it as easy and cause so much trouble by going in your blueball trenches. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1506
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Posted - 2012.07.30 15:58:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:They shoud simply have made impossible to bot PvE in supercaps and similar other smart ideas.
hi
a supercarrier can only use fighters and fighterbombers, neither of which are particularly useful in anoms on their own, and a faction BS is cheaper and better overall for anoms than an SC
a titan can't lock more than 3 targets at one time, it deals less damage to rats even when it scores a perfect hit because of the sig-based turret damage penalty specific to titan hulls EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |

Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
762
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Posted - 2012.07.30 15:58:00 -
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Danny Diamonds wrote:Destiny Corrupted wrote:Danny Diamonds wrote:SEC rating is not properly enforced. Then enforce it. You're allowed to shoot any -5 or lower character you see. Go to a suicide-gank-heavy system, and sit in the belts with alpha boats/logistics/booster links for the miners. Or are you saying you want NPCs to enforce it for you? I never said that, nor implied it. Stop making **** up, troll. -5 and lower are not the only ones ganking. Nice try though. SEC status is too easily changed. umad?
There's nothing wrong with characters above -5 doing ganks. It only becomes a problem when these characters are recycled. But then, you can do your own player-policing by petitioning them, since it's an offense that gets punished. (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) |

Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
1211
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:00:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Skippermonkey wrote:I remember it being stated they get a 7.5% bonus to shield resists per level, is this still in place? 5% and base resists are T1. So that's nowhere near T2 ships.
Would you mind posting the current resist profile and ship bonuses to resists here for those of us not up with the latest SiSi build? My homeboys tried to warn me But that butt you got makes me so horny |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1506
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:00:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Werst Dendenahzees wrote:The current income ranking for shooting red crosses is something like
Wormholes > Incursions (highsec) > Pro ratting in a carrier/carrier assisted tengu(nullsec) > Pro level 4s in a pimped marauder (highsec) = Tengu ratting (nullsec) > Drake/belt ratting (nullsec) > Bad level 3-4s (highsec)
While the risk/effort is
Wormholes >= NPC nullsec >>>>>>> sov nullsec > level 4s and highsec incursions
Fixed for you. Yes I was one of those going to sheet in the L4 missioning systems in Stain, no way you can do it as easy and cause so much trouble by going in your blueball trenches.
hi there has to be a reward for holding space
otherwise what is the point of holding space EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |

Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
130
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:01:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:There's nothing wrong with characters above -5 doing ganks. It only becomes a problem when these characters are recycled. But then, you can do your own player-policing by petitioning them, since it's an offense that gets punished.
If it's ganker or nullsec player doing it isn't. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1752
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:03:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:They shoud simply have made impossible to bot PvE in supercaps and similar other smart ideas. hi a supercarrier can only use fighters and fighterbombers, neither of which are particularly useful in anoms on their own, and a faction BS is cheaper and better overall for anoms than an SC a titan can't lock more than 3 targets at one time, it deals less damage to rats even when it scores a perfect hit because of the sig-based turret damage penalty specific to titan hulls
They clearly botted supercaps because these were bad and they wanted to give top expensive targets to neuts. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Corina Jarr
Spazzoid Enterprises Purpose Built
1137
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:04:00 -
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Werst Dendenahzees wrote:The current income ranking for shooting red crosses is something like
Wormholes > Incursions (highsec) > Pro ratting in a carrier/carrier assisted tengu(nullsec) > Pro level 4s in a pimped marauder (highsec) = Tengu ratting (nullsec) > Drake/belt ratting (nullsec) > Bad level 3-4s (highsec)
While the risk/effort is
Wormholes >= sov nullsec >>>>>>> level 4s and highsec incursions
So the solution to this would be...
Remove individual incursions in HS after 24 hours (no rewards if incomplete) removing farming (hint: I hate incursions, so am a 'lil biased).
Fix missions to make them a little more interactive providing an incentive to not just burn through them. Less rats (more hp/damage/bounties per rat) more randomness. Adding in some actual thought would be nice too. Maybe a puzzle or some actual choices (there are a few that give choices, and I like them more than the others). |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1506
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:05:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:They clearly botted supercaps because these were bad and they wanted to give top expensive targets to neuts.
you're talking about people botting with supercaps BEFORE CRUCIBLE NERFED SUPERCARRIERS EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |

Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
130
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:06:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:Would you mind posting the current resist profile and ship bonuses to resists here for those of us not up with the latest SiSi build?
You don't know what T1 resists are?
Hulk shields: 0/50/40/20
Hulk armor: 60/10/25/35
Shield resists are same for all exhumers and mining barges. |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1507
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:06:00 -
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Danny Diamonds wrote:Oh, sorry I forgot that Goons don't know how to raise SEC status, or how to recycle alts. Nullsec blinders are the best blinders.
you can't recycle alts because you'll get banned fast
now, tell me the "easy" way of getting sec status up EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1752
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:07:00 -
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Destiny Corrupted wrote:. But then, you can do your own player-policing by petitioning them, since it's an offense that gets punished.
Unless the guy is so stupid to recicle some alt called like "James315" and call the next "James316" how exactly do you know the recycling occurred? Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1507
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:07:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Skippermonkey wrote:Would you mind posting the current resist profile and ship bonuses to resists here for those of us not up with the latest SiSi build? You don't know what T1 resists are? Hulk shields: 0/50/40/20 Hulk armor: 60/10/25/35
those aren't t1 resists hope this helps EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1507
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:08:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Unless the guy is so stupid to recicle some alt called like "James315" and call the next "James316" how exactly do you know the recycling occurred?
"oh look the guy who ganked me is now in doomheim"
believe it or not GMs can figure out the rest EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |

Werst Dendenahzees
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:09:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Werst Dendenahzees wrote:The current income ranking for shooting red crosses is something like
Wormholes > Incursions (highsec) > Pro ratting in a carrier/carrier assisted tengu(nullsec) > Pro level 4s in a pimped marauder (highsec) = Tengu ratting (nullsec) > Drake/belt ratting (nullsec) > Bad level 3-4s (highsec)
While the risk/effort is
Wormholes >= sov nullsec >>>>>>> level 4s and highsec incursions
So, you want W-space nerfed?
No, I want nullsec buffed. W-space is fine as is, because C4-5-6s are a terrible pain in the ass. Now, because of the general moon goo nerf, there is now no real income source in nullsec that justifies the logistics of maintaining sov space and the risk of being ganked at any goddamn second. It used to be that alliances in the north have technetium, and alliances in the south have huge amounts of renters (that is dumb nullsec carebears who pay billions in order to rat/bot a few more billions). Renters are dumb because getting people to pay you to play a ****** game for you is not a good mechanic. |

Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
130
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:12:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Skippermonkey wrote:Would you mind posting the current resist profile and ship bonuses to resists here for those of us not up with the latest SiSi build? You don't know what T1 resists are? Hulk shields: 0/50/40/20 Hulk armor: 60/10/25/35 those aren't t1 resists hope this helps
Drake shields: 0/50/40/20
Afaik Drake is T1 hull. |

Werst Dendenahzees
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:14:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Skippermonkey wrote:Would you mind posting the current resist profile and ship bonuses to resists here for those of us not up with the latest SiSi build? You don't know what T1 resists are? Hulk shields: 0/50/40/20 Hulk armor: 60/10/25/35 those aren't t1 resists hope this helps Drake shields: 0/50/40/20 Afaik Drake is T1 hull.
It's a bit dishonest to pick a battlecruiser and one of the best natural T1 shield tanks in the game,wouldn't you agree? |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1752
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:14:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Werst Dendenahzees wrote:The current income ranking for shooting red crosses is something like
Wormholes > Incursions (highsec) > Pro ratting in a carrier/carrier assisted tengu(nullsec) > Pro level 4s in a pimped marauder (highsec) = Tengu ratting (nullsec) > Drake/belt ratting (nullsec) > Bad level 3-4s (highsec)
While the risk/effort is
Wormholes >= NPC nullsec >>>>>>> sov nullsec > level 4s and highsec incursions
Fixed for you. Yes I was one of those going to sheet in the L4 missioning systems in Stain, no way you can do it as easy and cause so much trouble by going in your blueball trenches. hi there has to be a reward for holding space otherwise what is the point of holding space
The typical 20-100 members NPC nullsec corp has to take fat risks just to dock at the NPC stations (perma double bubble and stuff), their subcaps and caps ops are certainly riskier than a fat ball ops with supercaps support and even at the individual level all you have to do is join your big alliance and attend some operation and be reimbursed for ship loss. Even if your NPC nullsec corp / alliance controls a couple of systems, 2 jumps away you and your 5 buddies are already in the middle of a cloud of neuts. It's not an optional small roam for fun in there, it's what you have to do to live.
Moreover for the smaller entities neither the reimbursement is so granted nor the ability to join an op or not.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1752
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:15:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Unless the guy is so stupid to recicle some alt called like "James315" and call the next "James316" how exactly do you know the recycling occurred? "oh look the guy who ganked me is now in doomheim" believe it or not GMs can figure out the rest
Because that guy is so dumb to recycle in your face innit? Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1508
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:16:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:The typical 20-100 members NPC nullsec corp has to take fat risks just to dock at the NPC stations (perma double bubble and stuff), their subcaps and caps ops are certainly riskier than a fat ball ops with supercaps support and even at the individual level all you have to do is join your big alliance and attend some operation and be reimbursed for ship loss. Even if your NPC nullsec corp / alliance controls a couple of systems, 2 jumps away you and your 5 buddies are already in the middle of a cloud of neuts. It's not an optional small roam for fun in there, it's what you have to do to live.
Moreover for the smaller entities neither the reimbursement is so granted nor the ability to join an op or not.
nullsec is for large empires, not for irrelevant 10-man corps EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
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