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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:17:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Because that guy is so dumb to recycle in your face innit?
biomassing puts your character in a corp called doomheim
so yeah EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
baltec1
Bat Country
1740
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:17:00 -
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Danny Diamonds wrote:baltec1 wrote:Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:103 barrels of ganker tears, I'd say this must be a good year !! -that stuff's gonna be hot ! Gankers are quite happy with the changes to the barges, its the miners who are whining because we can still gank them for profit if they fail to fit a tank or pick the skiff. What?!
Look at it all. They tasted a victory over the only threat they will ever face in highsec and then saw it taken from them when CCP saw that the "evil gankers" were correct in that they went overboard on the tanks. Now we are back to miners pulling their hair out in a mist of rage that they will be forced to face conciquences for their bad choices. Miners can easily avoid being ganked and the barges will be in better shape with a roll for all of them.
I can see a lot of rage topic coming soon over why the hulk is worse at tanking than the skiff when this goes live and they will be met with nothing but laughter. |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
130
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:17:00 -
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Werst Dendenahzees wrote:It's a bit dishonest to pick a battlecruiser and one of the best natural T1 shield tanks in the game,wouldn't you agree?
Does it matter? Pretty much every T1 hull has same shield resists. |
Werst Dendenahzees
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:18:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Werst Dendenahzees wrote:The current income ranking for shooting red crosses is something like
Wormholes > Incursions (highsec) > Pro ratting in a carrier/carrier assisted tengu(nullsec) > Pro level 4s in a pimped marauder (highsec) = Tengu ratting (nullsec) > Drake/belt ratting (nullsec) > Bad level 3-4s (highsec)
While the risk/effort is
Wormholes >= NPC nullsec >>>>>>> sov nullsec > level 4s and highsec incursions
Fixed for you. Yes I was one of those going to sheet in the L4 missioning systems in Stain, no way you can do it as easy and cause so much trouble by going in your blueball trenches. hi there has to be a reward for holding space otherwise what is the point of holding space The typical 20-100 members NPC nullsec corp has to take fat risks just to dock at the NPC stations (perma double bubble and stuff), their subcaps and caps ops are certainly riskier than a fat ball ops with supercaps support and even at the individual level all you have to do is join your big alliance and attend some operation and be reimbursed for ship loss. Even if your NPC nullsec corp / alliance controls a couple of systems, 2 jumps away you and your 5 buddies are already in the middle of a cloud of neuts. It's not an optional small roam for fun in there, it's what you have to do to live. Moreover for the smaller entities neither the reimbursement is so granted nor the ability to join an op or not.
hi
NPC null is not harder or more risky. Sov space can be dropped on from NPC space by any scrub with a cyno skiff and a titan. Sov stations can be bubbled. There are just less dumb docking games. Nullsec sov actually costs money to maintain (double digits billions per months) and untold man-hours of back-breaking logistics. If CCP doesn't want people to conquer space and live in it, they should just say so.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1752
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:22:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:The typical 20-100 members NPC nullsec corp has to take fat risks just to dock at the NPC stations (perma double bubble and stuff), their subcaps and caps ops are certainly riskier than a fat ball ops with supercaps support and even at the individual level all you have to do is join your big alliance and attend some operation and be reimbursed for ship loss. Even if your NPC nullsec corp / alliance controls a couple of systems, 2 jumps away you and your 5 buddies are already in the middle of a cloud of neuts. It's not an optional small roam for fun in there, it's what you have to do to live.
Moreover for the smaller entities neither the reimbursement is so granted nor the ability to join an op or not.
nullsec is for large empires, not for irrelevant 10-man corps
I have seen a much less elitist and self entitled attitude when I received SirMolle's alliance mails (yeah I even had the venture of seeing my corp joining them ). It's really true that you are going to be the new B(l)oB. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Werst Dendenahzees
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:23:00 -
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The difference between 0.0 guys and highsec whiners is that we also have highsec alts and thus know what happens there, while you are completely clueless about how sov space works. |
baltec1
Bat Country
1740
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:24:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
nullsec is for large empires, not for irrelevant 10-man corps
I have seen a much less elitist and self entitled attitude when I received SirMolle's alliance mails (yeah I even had the venture of seeing my corp joining them ). It's really true that you are going to be the new B(l)oB.[/quote]
Point out where he is wrong.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1752
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:24:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Because that guy is so dumb to recycle in your face innit? biomassing puts your character in a corp called doomheim so yeah
Sure, a guy going to biomass is so dumb to to do it the 5 minutes after he did a gank so his 512th victim will certainly check he went to doomheim, not 1-2 days later when nobody will even know he's online. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Werst Dendenahzees
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:26:00 -
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Biomassing would leave you losing your T2 catalyst skills. Ratting sec status is a painful experience, you need like 10 hours to make it back from a -3 or -4 to a manageable sec status that won't make you be shot on sight by faction police. |
Shalua Rui
FEROX AQUILA
13
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:28:00 -
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Werst Dendenahzees wrote:The difference between 0.0 guys and highsec whiners is that we also have highsec alts and thus know what happens there, while you are completely clueless about how sov space works.
Yea? Your point beeing? I am a highsec miner by choice and I played like that for years... why should I care? Further, why should I be forced to mind advanced self defense tactics to fend of suicide gankers and PvP griefers in an environment that is supposed to be save for people that prefer my playstyle?
If it tip my toes in 0.5 without watching my back and get gate/station camped, that's my own fault... but other then that? |
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1752
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:29:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:I have seen a much less elitist and self entitled attitude when I received SirMolle's alliance mails (yeah I even had the venture of seeing my corp joining them ). It's really true that you are going to be the new B(l)oB. Point out where he is wrong.
When I endured my lone trip from Amarr to Stain, nowhere along the way I found a sign stating "VERBOTEN!" to being in a small NPC corp.
But hey, I was talking about risk / reward in 0.0 for various secs and sovs, I am not surprised you bunch always try to engross the OH SO HARD challenge of being in a blob with free replacements.
The CFC founders did all the risky work, the CFO and the "inner circle" do the maths and the hard work. The others enjoy the ride, for what I know you don't even have mandatory CTAs. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
170
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:30:00 -
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With threads like this one, I am really surprised fights do not break out at the yearly fanfest... |
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
130
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:30:00 -
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Werst Dendenahzees wrote:...
Herr Wilkus, what is T1 shield resist profile if it isn't 0/50/40/20? |
Werst Dendenahzees
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
102
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:32:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:baltec1 wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:I have seen a much less elitist and self entitled attitude when I received SirMolle's alliance mails (yeah I even had the venture of seeing my corp joining them ). It's really true that you are going to be the new B(l)oB. Point out where he is wrong. When I endured my lone trip from Amarr to Stain, nowhere along the way I found a sign stating "VERBOTEN!" to being in a small NPC corp. But hey, I was talking about risk / reward in 0.0 for various secs and sovs, I am not surprised you bunch always try to engross the OH SO HARD challenge of being in a blob with free replacements. The CFC founders did all the risky work, the CFO and the "inner circle" do the maths and the hard work. The others enjoy the ride, for what I know you don't even have mandatory CTAs.
What, do you want every single one of us to have to clock 40 hours of work a week just to keep the privilege that is ratting for 40mil/hr in unsafe space? Of course the directors and logistics spergs do harder work than the line members. The point is that NPC null and highsec alliances don't even need anyone to do any of that work and don't need to foot 40 bil a month for sov bills because THEY DON'T EXIST.
Shalua Rui wrote:Werst Dendenahzees wrote:The difference between 0.0 guys and highsec whiners is that we also have highsec alts and thus know what happens there, while you are completely clueless about how sov space works. Yea? Your point beeing? I am a highsec miner by choice and I played like that for years... why should I care? Further, why should I be forced to mind advanced self defense tactics to fend of suicide gankers and PvP griefers in an environment that is supposed to be save for people that prefer my playstyle?
My point is people like you should stop commenting with blatantly false ideas such as ''you can tank concord'' or ''Nullsec is fine you can rat for a billion an hour in sanctums''. |
baltec1
Bat Country
1740
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:35:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:baltec1 wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:I have seen a much less elitist and self entitled attitude when I received SirMolle's alliance mails (yeah I even had the venture of seeing my corp joining them ). It's really true that you are going to be the new B(l)oB. Point out where he is wrong. When I endured my lone trip from Amarr to Stain, nowhere along the way I found a sign stating "VERBOTEN!" to being in a small NPC corp. But hey, I was talking about risk / reward in 0.0 for various secs and sovs, I am not surprised you bunch always try to engross the OH SO HARD challenge of being in a blob with free replacements. The CFC founders did all the risky work, the CFO and the "inner circle" do the maths and the hard work. The others enjoy the ride, for what I know you don't even have mandatory CTAs.
He still isnt wrong. |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
1211
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:36:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Skippermonkey wrote:Would you mind posting the current resist profile and ship bonuses to resists here for those of us not up with the latest SiSi build? You don't know what T1 resists are? Hulk shields: 0/50/40/20 Hulk armor: 60/10/25/35 Shield resists are same for all exhumers and mining barges. I find it peculiar that you act like t1 resists on a t2 ship is a normal thing?
plus - http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Hulk
you can check there for the current tranqulity hulk details, and it clearly has a t2 resist profile.
I hope this explains my apparent surprise that they lowered the resist profile
But... maybe you are doing it all wrong because to my eyes you are posting the resistance profile of a Covetor My homeboys tried to warn me But that butt you got makes me so horny |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1509
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:37:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Sure, a guy going to biomass is so dumb to to do it the 5 minutes after he did a gank so his 512th victim will certainly check he went to doomheim, not 1-2 days later when nobody will even know he's online.
any of the other 511 victims can look him up and notice that he's in doomheim, you see EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1509
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:38:00 -
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Werst Dendenahzees wrote:NPC null is not harder or more risky. Sov space can be dropped on from NPC space by any scrub with a cyno skiff and a titan. Sov stations can be bubbled. There are just less dumb docking games. Nullsec sov actually costs money to maintain (double digits billions per months) and untold man-hours of back-breaking logistics. If CCP doesn't want people to conquer space and live in it, they should just say so.
he probably thinks that all of nullsec is cynojammed with 150km of bubbles on every gate EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1753
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:39:00 -
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Werst Dendenahzees wrote:Biomassing would leave you losing your T2 catalyst skills. Ratting sec status is a painful experience, you need like 10 hours to make it back from a -3 or -4 to a manageable sec status that won't make you be shot on sight by faction police.
Once I went to -9 dot something in 4 hours just for defending my corp POS in low sec. But then, I was on this character, which is not a "LOLhisecgankalt".
Why do gankers have LOLhisecgankalts?
Simple, because they are true carebears who cringe in fear at the thought a guy with kill rights could meet them while they are flying a freigther or undocking in a pimp ship to do a L4.
So they make "smart usage of game mechanics" and create LOLhisecgankalts and won't care about their sec at all.
These characters have some totally carebear characteristics:
- Cheap if any implants. No risk. - Completely circumvent any negative consequence of being -10, including Concord (won't attack them in capsule while they go to a Concord free safe spot anyway). - Completely circumvent any negative sec consequences (only used to reship, warp in and explode). - Low SP, can always biomass later. - Will literally never leave a station if not to insta warp to a safe spot, board a catalyst and then warp to a target. - Who cares about kill rights? Nobody will see the alt for longer than 10 seconds while you kill some random, then back to safety.
Miners are though heroes compared to cheesy LOLhisecgankalt players.
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Werst Dendenahzees
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:42:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: flying a freigther or undocking in a pimp ship to do a L4.
Get it right, we do this on NPC alts with no kill rights or bad sec status. Goonswarm is perma wardecced by highsec camping corps. |
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Shalua Rui
FEROX AQUILA
13
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:42:00 -
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Werst Dendenahzees wrote:My point is people like you should stop commenting with blatantly false ideas such as ''you can tank concord'' or ''Nullsec is fine you can rat for a billion an hour in sanctums''.
I didn't say that, did I? All I am saying is: Every playstyle has it's place in EVE... and highsec is for those whoe want to follow their trade (missions, mining, trading, etc.) in relative savety... you want to be a pirate or a corporate warlord? Great, go to lowsec/0.0 and get to it... I don't care. |
Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
1211
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:42:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Why do gankers have LOLhisecgankalts? Because i like flying around hisec without being shot at by everything
I have a -10 toon that does a job and i do not plan on sending it to Doomheim anytime soon My homeboys tried to warn me But that butt you got makes me so horny |
Werst Dendenahzees
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:44:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:Werst Dendenahzees wrote:My point is people like you should stop commenting with blatantly false ideas such as ''you can tank concord'' or ''Nullsec is fine you can rat for a billion an hour in sanctums''. I didn't say that, did I? All I am saying is: Every playstyle has it's place in EVE... and highsec is for those who want to follow their trade (missions, mining, trading, etc.) in relative savety... you want to be a pirate or a corporate warlord? Great, go to lowsec/0.0 and get to it... I don't care.
My only point is that those playstyles (highsec missions and incursions) shouldn't have better or comparable incomes to playstyles who incorporate lots of risk and effort, such as nullsec and wormholes. |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
456
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:45:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:Dave stark wrote:no, they won't do 500 dps to both targets because the ships will have different resistances.
not to mention the faction battleship can ignore the catalyst because it has enough ehp that concord will be there before the catalyst can even get through it's shield. OK, so people are laughing at you because EHP is the HP which includes the resists, but I won't derail and will instead make the point clearer. I can make a Vindicator do ~2000 dps and have 5 90% webs, which would make it most efficient in it's role. Sadly, it would only have 45k EHP and so 4 or 5 Catalysts fit for 1mil a piece could take down my 1.5bil battleship in highsec, as I autopiloted to my destination. However, you are more likely to see people fitting what is commonly known as a "tank" to their ships; this is when you add to the EHP or self rep capability. When you do this, it will break 200k EHP with ease. Sadly, it will no longer do as much DPS (1200-1300) which means you are gimping it's role by at least 40% Apparently, asking a miner to do what every one else does in the game is just TOO GOSH DARN hard. You are not a special case, you're just bad at EvE. Taking your 200mil ship and NOT TANKING IT is silly. Quoting for ******* truth. EVE's 4th of July Fireworks |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1753
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:46:00 -
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Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
What, do you want every single one of us to have to clock 40 hours of work a week just to keep the privilege that is ratting for 40mil/hr in unsafe space? Of course the directors and logistics spergs do harder work than the line members. The point is that NPC null and highsec alliances don't even need anyone to do any of that work and don't need to foot 40 bil a month for sov bills because THEY DON'T EXIST.
They don't reap the benefits either. Before joining a sov alliance, our 0.0 POSes did not spew billions of moon goo worth a month. Before joining a sov alliance we had no station in all but 1 system. Before joining a sov alliance we were in some lolbadtruesec. Before joining a sov alliance we did not have Titan bridges and similar. It was like "wait 1 week till next JF runs to take stuff to low sec or come by foot (passing in half of Goon space BTW).
Risk and reweard. You only show your risks and don't show your rewards while downplaying the others'. I have been in 1 NPC nullsec corp and 2 sov alliances (my other alts were in Initiative alliance) and I kind of know how it goes.
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1511
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:46:00 -
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my main is -10
technically the 7th lowest sec status in goonwaffe, first being Hulk Basher, a good friend of mine EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1753
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:47:00 -
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Werst Dendenahzees wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote: flying a freigther or undocking in a pimp ship to do a L4.
Get it right, we do this on NPC alts with no kill rights or bad sec status. Goonswarm is perma wardecced by highsec camping corps.
I was not referring to your particular case. Also, you are not special snowflakes, I was Logistics Officer in Dark Rising guess how many wardecs we had up at every given time? Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
261
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:48:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Skippermonkey wrote:Would you mind posting the current resist profile and ship bonuses to resists here for those of us not up with the latest SiSi build? You don't know what T1 resists are? Hulk shields: 0/50/40/20 Hulk armor: 60/10/25/35 Shield resists are same for all exhumers and mining barges. I find it peculiar that you act like t1 resists on a t2 ship is a normal thing? plus - http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Hulkyou can check there for the current tranqulity hulk details, and it clearly has a t2 resist profile. I hope this explains my apparent surprise that they lowered the resist profile But... maybe you are doing it all wrong because to my eyes you are posting the resistance profile of a Covetor I think it had been mentioned before that the echumers had been changed to T1 shield resists on sisi, so perhaps that explains the lack of surprise, but those shield resist values are current as of right now.
Current bonuses: 7.5% resist per mining barge lvl for all exhumers, 5% shield capacity/mining barge lvl for the Skiff/Procurer |
Werst Dendenahzees
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:48:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
What, do you want every single one of us to have to clock 40 hours of work a week just to keep the privilege that is ratting for 40mil/hr in unsafe space? Of course the directors and logistics spergs do harder work than the line members. The point is that NPC null and highsec alliances don't even need anyone to do any of that work and don't need to foot 40 bil a month for sov bills because THEY DON'T EXIST.
They don't reap the benefits either. Before joining a sov alliance, our 0.0 POSes did not spew billions of moon goo worth a month. Before joining a sov alliance we had no station in all but 1 system. Before joining a sov alliance we were in some lolbadtruesec. Before joining a sov alliance we did not have Titan bridges and similar. It was like "wait 1 week till next JF runs to take stuff to low sec or come by foot (passing in half of Goon space BTW). Risk and reweard. You only show your risks and don't show your rewards while downplaying the others'. I have been in 1 NPC nullsec corp and 2 sov alliances (my other alts were in Initiative alliance) and I kind of know how it goes.
hi
Lowsec and NPC null also have moons to mine. Moon mining is not linked to having sov. The good moons (technetium) are going to be nerfed to crap on august 8.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1753
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:50:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Why do gankers have LOLhisecgankalts? Because i like flying around hisec without being shot at by everything
And isn't this the epitome of carebearing? "I want to do all sorts of stuff but not suffer any of the consequences, in the Game Of Consequences".
How is it better than dumb miners refusing the consequences of AFK their zero tank Hulk? Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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