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malcovas Henderson
Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:50:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Sure, a guy going to biomass is so dumb to to do it the 5 minutes after he did a gank so his 512th victim will certainly check he went to doomheim, not 1-2 days later when nobody will even know he's online. any of the other 511 victims can look him up and notice that he's in doomheim, you see
I could be wrong, and sorry if I am, But faik the account gets banned, not the ip address. Making accounts for free is easy. and technically unlimited. |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1511
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:52:00 -
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malcovas Henderson wrote:I could be wrong, and sorry if I am, But faik the account gets banned, not the ip address. Making accounts for free is easy. and technically unlimited.
not really, if you keep getting alt accounts banned for whatever reason i'm p sure they just ban all of your other accounts too EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1511
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:53:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:And isn't this the epitome of carebearing? "I want to do all sorts of stuff but not suffer any of the consequences, in the Game Of Consequences".
How is it better than dumb miners refusing the consequences of AFK their zero tank Hulk?
i'm pretty sure more people recycle alts to keep concord in belts than people recycling good gank alts
the more you know EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |

Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
130
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:54:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:I find it peculiar that you act like t1 resists on a t2 ship is a normal thing? plus - http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Hulkyou can check there for the current tranqulity hulk details, and it clearly has a t2 resist profile. I hope this explains my apparent surprise that they lowered the resist profile But... maybe you are doing it all wrong because to my eyes you are posting the resistance profile of a Covetor
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Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
468
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:54:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Because that guy is so dumb to recycle in your face innit? biomassing puts your character in a corp called doomheim so yeah
LOL. I did not know that.
I seriously thought all the players in Doomheim were just insufferable whiners who were raging about getting their barges ganked and quitting all the time.
But those are biomassed chars - awesome. Good way to find out of the rage is genuine or just the online equivalent of cutting yourself. |

Shalua Rui
FEROX AQUILA
13
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:58:00 -
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Werst Dendenahzees wrote:My only point is that those playstyles (highsec missions and incursions) shouldn't have better or comparable incomes to playstyles who incorporate lots of risk and effort, such as nullsec and wormholes.
Ok, sorry... but your aren't SERIOUSLY playing the FAIRNESS card on me now, are you? As far as I am concerned, I make the money I make by providing you with the materials to build the weapons and ships you people use to gank people like me... figurably speaking... and you are talking about even scales?
Kinda ironic.^^ |

malcovas Henderson
Smoking Minerals Syndicate Cannabis Legionis
109
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:58:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:malcovas Henderson wrote:I could be wrong, and sorry if I am, But faik the account gets banned, not the ip address. Making accounts for free is easy. and technically unlimited. not really, if you keep getting alt accounts banned for whatever reason i'm p sure they just ban all of your other accounts too
That would be an assumption. A pretty fair one i must admit, but still an assumption. Only because of family members playing differently, would be brought into the ban hammer range could stop this from happenning.It still means that a ganker has an unlimited amount of biomassable ganking pilots at his disposal.
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Danny Diamonds
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:58:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:And isn't this the epitome of carebearing? "I want to do all sorts of stuff but not suffer any of the consequences, in the Game Of Consequences".
How is it better than dumb miners refusing the consequences of AFK their zero tank Hulk? i'm pretty sure more people recycle alts to keep concord in belts than people recycling good gank alts the more you know
Fabrication. Stop. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1753
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:59:00 -
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Werst Dendenahzees wrote:Shalua Rui wrote:Werst Dendenahzees wrote:My point is people like you should stop commenting with blatantly false ideas such as ''you can tank concord'' or ''Nullsec is fine you can rat for a billion an hour in sanctums''. I didn't say that, did I? All I am saying is: Every playstyle has it's place in EVE... and highsec is for those who want to follow their trade (missions, mining, trading, etc.) in relative savety... you want to be a pirate or a corporate warlord? Great, go to lowsec/0.0 and get to it... I don't care. My only point is that those playstyles (highsec missions and incursions) shouldn't have better or comparable incomes to playstyles who incorporate lots of risk and effort, such as nullsec and wormholes.
I have never understood this myself (find my old threads about the need to nerf L4 income on the mission forums...).
But I have to say this now:
- Mining is pure demand vs offer, a non ISK faucet exactly like Technetium, people pay what they believe their work is worth for. So mining shouldn't be nerfed.
- L4 have finally been nerfed enough times that they are OK. Only L4 blitzing should receive a sledgehammer.
- Hi sec anoms net stuff that is not a ISK faucet, so once again we are in the "demand vs offer" domain.
- Trading is once again, demand vs offer and it's competitive PvP (with potential losses well outstripping ships PvP. I know, I put 30B at stake on the markets, not some puny 200M).
Incursions have been nerfed enough that now I see them routinely empty.
Nullsec on the other side is not exactly "poor". What's poor is the lack of minimal "comfort" features like decent industry slots, decently close clone stations, decent refining. Plus life just sucks (had to do it for months) if your corp lives at a POS with no station in system.
I have a feeling that nullsec could use a moderate boost to individual income but an huge boost to what I wrote in the paragraph above.
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Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
1211
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Posted - 2012.07.30 16:59:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Skippermonkey wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Why do gankers have LOLhisecgankalts? Because i like flying around hisec without being shot at by everything And isn't this the epitome of carebearing? "I want to do all sorts of stuff but not suffer any of the consequences, in the Game Of Consequences". Not at all, I am well aware of the consequences, and i deal with them on the character that i earn them on. My homeboys tried to warn me But that butt you got makes me so horny |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1753
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Posted - 2012.07.30 17:00:00 -
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Werst Dendenahzees wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Werst Dendenahzees wrote:
What, do you want every single one of us to have to clock 40 hours of work a week just to keep the privilege that is ratting for 40mil/hr in unsafe space? Of course the directors and logistics spergs do harder work than the line members. The point is that NPC null and highsec alliances don't even need anyone to do any of that work and don't need to foot 40 bil a month for sov bills because THEY DON'T EXIST.
They don't reap the benefits either. Before joining a sov alliance, our 0.0 POSes did not spew billions of moon goo worth a month. Before joining a sov alliance we had no station in all but 1 system. Before joining a sov alliance we were in some lolbadtruesec. Before joining a sov alliance we did not have Titan bridges and similar. It was like "wait 1 week till next JF runs to take stuff to low sec or come by foot (passing in half of Goon space BTW). Risk and reweard. You only show your risks and don't show your rewards while downplaying the others'. I have been in 1 NPC nullsec corp and 2 sov alliances (my other alts were in Initiative alliance) and I kind of know how it goes. hi Lowsec and NPC null also have moons to mine. Moon mining is not linked to having sov. The good moons (technetium) are going to be nerfed to crap on august 8.
Yes we had Cobalt and atmospheric gases. That made us rich. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
170
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Posted - 2012.07.30 17:00:00 -
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Werst Dendenahzees wrote:The good moons (technetium) are going to be nerfed to crap on august 8.
Not to divert this ~wonderful~ thread off track, but I thought the whole moon mining aspect was something The Mittani wanted to have "fixed" since he and apparently many others saw as broken...? Add how many posts over time from members of Goons claiming to have billions upon billions of ISK freely lying around, "good moons ... nerfed to crap" should not be an issue, yes? |

Werst Dendenahzees
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
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Posted - 2012.07.30 17:01:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
I have a feeling that nullsec could use a moderate boost to individual income but an huge boost to what I wrote in the paragraph above.
Then, we basically agree. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1753
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Posted - 2012.07.30 17:01:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:malcovas Henderson wrote:I could be wrong, and sorry if I am, But faik the account gets banned, not the ip address. Making accounts for free is easy. and technically unlimited. not really, if you keep getting alt accounts banned for whatever reason i'm p sure they just ban all of your other accounts too
Mostly if not only for botting and / or RMTing. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Werst Dendenahzees
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
104
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Posted - 2012.07.30 17:02:00 -
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Guttripper wrote:Werst Dendenahzees wrote:The good moons (technetium) are going to be nerfed to crap on august 8. Not to divert this ~wonderful~ thread off track, but I thought the whole moon mining aspect was something The Mittani wanted to have "fixed" since he and apparently many others saw as broken...? Add how many posts over time from members of Goons claiming to have billions upon billions of ISK freely lying around, "good moons ... nerfed to crap" should not be an issue, yes?
Yes, it is something we wanted, but CCP has just taken it out without replacing it with another form of (weaker) taxable income. Thus, it sucks. An optimized alliance today would simply not have sov. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1753
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Posted - 2012.07.30 17:03:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:And isn't this the epitome of carebearing? "I want to do all sorts of stuff but not suffer any of the consequences, in the Game Of Consequences".
How is it better than dumb miners refusing the consequences of AFK their zero tank Hulk? i'm pretty sure more people recycle alts to keep concord in belts than people recycling good gank alts the more you know
No, because (since I have seen it done a lot), you shoot 1 ship, get a tiny sec loss and then have a full day to recover it by just killing the rats hitting on the mining ship. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1753
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Posted - 2012.07.30 17:05:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Skippermonkey wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Why do gankers have LOLhisecgankalts? Because i like flying around hisec without being shot at by everything And isn't this the epitome of carebearing? "I want to do all sorts of stuff but not suffer any of the consequences, in the Game Of Consequences". Not at all, I am well aware of the consequences, and i deal with them on the character that i earn them on.
What consequence do you endure by pod warping from station to Orca, reshipping, going in blowing and insta warping to safe again? Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1753
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Posted - 2012.07.30 17:06:00 -
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Werst Dendenahzees wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
I have a feeling that nullsec could use a moderate boost to individual income but an huge boost to what I wrote in the paragraph above.
Then, we basically agree.
Sure, if you just paused a second the parade about how though is to be in sov nullsec and tralala and would sit to a table and talk about the dry topics.
Werst Dendenahzees wrote: Yes, it is something we wanted, but CCP has just taken it out without replacing it with another form of (weaker) taxable income. Thus, it sucks. An optimized alliance today would simply not have sov.
Isn't it a bit too early to get out doom prophecies? We don't even know the final coefficients and you know that Alchemy won't kill it (Alchemy is engineered to be worth 0 below a certain minimum thresold anyway).
Edit: sure, gone are the days of 200k a piece, but then 200k a piece was the very reason why CCP got out the nerf hammer. It used to be <= 100k and no one thought it was worthless. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
1211
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Posted - 2012.07.30 17:11:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:What consequence do you endure by pod warping from station to Orca, reshipping, going in blowing and insta warping to safe again? Well, if thats how you think its done, why dont you scan down the POD in space and come kill me?
Negative ten toons are flashy red and able to be shot at by anyone, thats the consequence
deal with it My homeboys tried to warn me But that butt you got makes me so horny |

Werst Dendenahzees
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
105
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Posted - 2012.07.30 17:11:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Werst Dendenahzees wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
I have a feeling that nullsec could use a moderate boost to individual income but an huge boost to what I wrote in the paragraph above.
Then, we basically agree. Sure, if you just paused a second the parade about how though is to be in sov nullsec and tralala and would sit to a table and talk about the dry topics. Werst Dendenahzees wrote: Yes, it is something we wanted, but CCP has just taken it out without replacing it with another form of (weaker) taxable income. Thus, it sucks. An optimized alliance today would simply not have sov.
Isn't it a bit too early to get out doom prophecies? We don't even know the final coefficients and you know that Alchemy won't kill it (Alchemy is engineered to be worth 0 below a certain minimum thresold anyway).
See Weaselior's calculator https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqcVTxvQXiL3dHJXYXcwejAtemZ2MlVxQkhWSnVfRGc#gid=0
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
130
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Posted - 2012.07.30 17:12:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:What consequence do you endure by pod warping from station to Orca, reshipping, going in blowing and insta warping to safe again? Well, if thats how you think its done, why dont you scan down the POD in space and come kill me? Negative ten toons are flashy red and able to be shot at by anyone, thats the consequence deal with it
If they are in a ship. Shooting the pod isn't allowed. |

Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
1211
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Posted - 2012.07.30 17:16:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Skippermonkey wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:What consequence do you endure by pod warping from station to Orca, reshipping, going in blowing and insta warping to safe again? Well, if thats how you think its done, why dont you scan down the POD in space and come kill me? Negative ten toons are flashy red and able to be shot at by anyone, thats the consequence deal with it If they are in a ship. Shooting the pod isn't allowed.
-10's in a pod can be shot on sight My homeboys tried to warn me But that butt you got makes me so horny |

Guttripper
State War Academy Caldari State
170
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Posted - 2012.07.30 17:16:00 -
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Werst Dendenahzees wrote:Yes, it is something we wanted, but CCP has just taken it out without replacing it with another form of (weaker) taxable income. Thus, it sucks. An optimized alliance today would simply not have sov.
Ahhh, so CCP basically half-assed it again...?
I saw the notices of the changes, but since I am not directly involved in moon mining, I did not keep up-to-date over the changes. Initially, it seemed (to me) that you quote was a complaint from loosing billions upon billions in revenue and only gaining millions upon billions. But if the whole aspect was gutted without anything suitable as a replacement - something a bit more "balanced" over the gaming universe, then I can understand the frustration.
My apologies if you might have taken offense at my words. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1753
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Posted - 2012.07.30 17:18:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:What consequence do you endure by pod warping from station to Orca, reshipping, going in blowing and insta warping to safe again? Well, if thats how you think its done, why dont you scan down the POD in space and come kill me? Negative ten toons are flashy red and able to be shot at by anyone, thats the consequence deal with it
I don't think you sit a capsule in the same spot forever. Also, the flashy red is cute but for personal experience (deal with it indeed), you'll land at 100km off my ship to kill somebody, it's not so easy to catch you in the handful of seconds before you are done.
Even if you land at optimal, it's not easy, it involves SEBO and to pay SUPER attention for hours (it's not like you put a sign with your activity hours). It's easy to lose attention after 2 hours of nothing, it's not like real combat where you know stuff happens soon. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
1211
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Posted - 2012.07.30 17:20:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:it's not like real combat where you know stuff happens soon. You dont seem to be dealing with it very well My homeboys tried to warn me But that butt you got makes me so horny |

Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
130
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Posted - 2012.07.30 17:24:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:-10's in a pod can be shot on sight
In lowsec/nullsec. |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1753
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Posted - 2012.07.30 17:32:00 -
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Werst Dendenahzees wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Werst Dendenahzees wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
I have a feeling that nullsec could use a moderate boost to individual income but an huge boost to what I wrote in the paragraph above.
Then, we basically agree. Sure, if you just paused a second the parade about how though is to be in sov nullsec and tralala and would sit to a table and talk about the dry topics. Werst Dendenahzees wrote: Yes, it is something we wanted, but CCP has just taken it out without replacing it with another form of (weaker) taxable income. Thus, it sucks. An optimized alliance today would simply not have sov.
Isn't it a bit too early to get out doom prophecies? We don't even know the final coefficients and you know that Alchemy won't kill it (Alchemy is engineered to be worth 0 below a certain minimum thresold anyway). See Weaselior's calculator https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AqcVTxvQXiL3dHJXYXcwejAtemZ2MlVxQkhWSnVfRGc#gid=0
I have seen it, it makes certain assumptions that we can't know if they'll become real until they happen. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1753
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Posted - 2012.07.30 17:35:00 -
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Skippermonkey wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:it's not like real combat where you know stuff happens soon. You dont seem to be dealing with it very well
I am not going to sit in a belt for 8 hours awaiting for the next Buddha to come. What for anyway? To kill a 2M ship that was mean to explode anyway and (since I don't use cheesy alts to circumvent consequences) get kill rights on me? Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Skippermonkey
Tactical Knightmare
1211
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Posted - 2012.07.30 17:45:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:I am not going to sit in a belt for 8 hours awaiting for the next Buddha to come. What for anyway? To kill a 2M ship that was mean to explode anyway and (since I don't use cheesy alts to circumvent consequences) get kill rights on me? I'm not circumventing any consequences by doing that.
Are you saying every activity you do in EVE Online you do with the same character? My homeboys tried to warn me But that butt you got makes me so horny |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1511
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Posted - 2012.07.30 17:46:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:I am not going to sit in a belt for 8 hours awaiting for the next Buddha to come. What for anyway? To kill a 2M ship that was mean to explode anyway and (since I don't use cheesy alts to circumvent consequences) get kill rights on me?
hi
you shoot it when it gets a GCC and it won't get kill rights EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |
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