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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1511
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Posted - 2012.07.30 18:54:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:pod yourself with that alt till it's -5 (doesn't take very long) I get kicked out from SiSi if I do that. And it takes a long time even if I pod character with 5.0 sec status.
no you do not, you'd have to be reported by the guy you podded
and well i don't think your alt is suddenly going to develop an independent consciousness and report you for podding outside of the designated systems EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |

Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy Caldari State
130
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Posted - 2012.07.30 18:56:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:no you do not, you'd have to be reported by the guy you podded
and well i don't think your alt is suddenly going to develop an independent consciousness and report you for podding outside of the designated systems
It will show on logs. |

EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
292
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Posted - 2012.07.30 18:58:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:no you do not, you'd have to be reported by the guy you podded
and well i don't think your alt is suddenly going to develop an independent consciousness and report you for podding outside of the designated systems It will show on logs. it's only against the rules to pod an unwilling person
they must petition complaining about it |

Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
323
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Posted - 2012.07.30 19:08:00 -
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Wow I cannot believe people like Jorma not only know nothing about game mechanics but refuse to listen to people who know what they are doing or test it himself.
As someone who has been popping pods and getting podded for 6 years, you have always been able to pod someone who is an outlaw in high sec space. GCC pods are not valid, only outlaws which are people below -5.0. Won't take more than 10 mins to test this on Sisi. I don't need to test it because I podded some poor afk outlaw pod in high sec 3 days ago.
GCC pods should be valid targets to everyone but I assume that's because it would require effort on CCPs part. Giving exhumers +10k base ehp (or whatever it is) is really, really, REALLY tough work. Phew, I'm getting tired just thinking about it, better take a well deserved vacation after this CCP, that's some complicated in-depth finely tuned balancing there. Congrats. |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1511
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Posted - 2012.07.30 19:12:00 -
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Vaal Erit wrote:Wow I cannot believe people like Jorma not only know nothing about game mechanics but refuse to listen to people who know what they are doing or test it himself.
As someone who has been popping pods and getting podded for 6 years, you have always been able to pod someone who is an outlaw in high sec space. GCC pods are not valid, only outlaws which are people below -5.0. Won't take more than 10 mins to test this on Sisi. I don't need to test it because I podded some poor afk outlaw pod in high sec 3 days ago.
GCC pods should be valid targets to everyone but I assume that's because it would require effort on CCPs part. Giving exhumers +10k base ehp (or whatever it is) is really, really, REALLY tough work. Phew, I'm getting tired just thinking about it, better take a well deserved vacation after this CCP, that's some complicated in-depth finely tuned balancing there. Congrats.
it doesn't take long to reach -5 if you do a lot of ganking EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1755
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Posted - 2012.07.30 19:18:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:I am not going to sit in a belt for 8 hours awaiting for the next Buddha to come. What for anyway? To kill a 2M ship that was mean to explode anyway and (since I don't use cheesy alts to circumvent consequences) get kill rights on me? hi you shoot it when it gets a GCC and it won't get kill rights Am I going to pop him before he pops the other guy? Because that would be the reason to do that defense. a catalyst has 4k ehp figure out the rest yourself v0v
Are you implying I should use an arty boat? Because their tracking woes against something that comes in and shoots. All anti-gank fittings that I have seen posted had ACs and those don't instashot 4k. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1512
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Posted - 2012.07.30 19:19:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Are you implying I should use an arty boat? Because their tracking woes against something that comes in and shoots. All anti-gank fittings that I have seen posted had ACs and those don't instashot 4k.
Tracking Enhancer II EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1755
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Posted - 2012.07.30 19:20:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Mallak Azaria wrote:If you can't alpha a destroyer, you're doing something wrong.
if only we had two cheapass battlecruiser hulls that can be fit to instalock and pop catalysts with high-alpha turrets if only
I tried a 'cane and guess what, the other guy still managed to kill the mack. Oh sure, I should involve a blueball like you do with remote SEBO, maybe why not an interceptor and whatever. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1755
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Posted - 2012.07.30 19:20:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Are you implying I should use an arty boat? Because their tracking woes against something that comes in and shoots. All anti-gank fittings that I have seen posted had ACs and those don't instashot 4k. Tracking Enhancer II
I always fit 2... Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Sarik Olecar
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
9
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Posted - 2012.07.30 19:21:00 -
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Gratz on +100 pages guyz! This thread has provided me with many laughs while I AFK ice mine in an untanked mack... |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1512
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Posted - 2012.07.30 19:21:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:I tried a 'cane and guess what, the other guy still managed to kill the mack. Oh sure, I should involve a blueball like you do with remote SEBO, maybe why not an interceptor and whatever.
"I can't work out a fitting for a t1 battlecruiser"
EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |

Pipa Porto
577
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Posted - 2012.07.30 19:21:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Pipa Porto wrote:Being Cloaked AFK is to being AFK in a station in a Barge (No Income, No Risk) There's a risk when you are in safe spot and cloaked. People can still find you.
Even if that were true (it's not), you are still trying to compare Cloaking AFK in a Safespot to Mining AFK in a Belt.
It's simply not a valid comparison.
An Exploration Curse AFK in an Exploration pocket is as easy to kill as a Hulk sitting AFK in a belt. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

EvilweaselSA
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
292
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Posted - 2012.07.30 19:21:00 -
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you can easily kill a catalyst before it kills the target |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1512
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Posted - 2012.07.30 19:21:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:I always fit 2...
try a third EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |

JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
192
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Posted - 2012.07.30 19:21:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Are you implying I should use an arty boat? Because their tracking woes against something that comes in and shoots. All anti-gank fittings that I have seen posted had ACs and those don't instashot 4k. Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Script <3 |

Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1512
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Posted - 2012.07.30 19:23:00 -
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JamesCLK wrote:Tracking Computer II, Tracking Script <3
an instacane does not use tracking computers EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |

Pipa Porto
577
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Posted - 2012.07.30 19:24:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:maybe the miners should fit these things called "shield extenders" and "hardeners" instead of having a tank given to them on a silver platter
sorry if you can't make such tough choices like "15% more yield or 300% better tank" What kind of tank you would suggest? This fit has 22k EHP with current stats on SiSi. [Hulk, Tank Fit] Damage Control II Micro Auxiliary Power Core II Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
The "Buy a Skiff" tank. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1755
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Posted - 2012.07.30 19:24:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:I tried a 'cane and guess what, the other guy still managed to kill the mack. Oh sure, I should involve a blueball like you do with remote SEBO, maybe why not an interceptor and whatever. "I can't work out a fitting for a t1 battlecruiser"
Oh show me the fitting able to lock and kill a ganker after he went GCC (half are not -5 status) and before he pops a random mack. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1512
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Posted - 2012.07.30 19:25:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Oh show me the fitting able to lock and kill a ganker after he went GCC (half are not -5 status) and before he pops a random mack.
hint: "medium targeting system subcontroller I" 2nd hint: "sensor booster II" EVE Online: Trammel (or NGE) |

James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation RAZOR Alliance
456
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Posted - 2012.07.30 19:26:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:no you do not, you'd have to be reported by the guy you podded
and well i don't think your alt is suddenly going to develop an independent consciousness and report you for podding outside of the designated systems It will show on logs. Please leave the thread, the grownups are talking. EVE's 4th of July Fireworks |

Pipa Porto
577
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Posted - 2012.07.30 19:30:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Pipa Porto wrote: The Special Snowflake brick tank is required only to counter a special snowflake team of many T1 Dessies in .5 space. Anywhere else, you can fit a smaller tank and still be unprofitable.
Many T1 dessies is not a special snowflake at all. 2-3 of them is what every non rookie ganker use in 0.7 and below. Usually they don't use more as they seem to get bored and scale up to bigger hulls past 5 catalysts.
You have to drop down to low meta (inc the Magstabs) to keep it cheap enough to field enough to profit off of a brick tanked Hulk in .5
Also, you need more than the normal amount, which means you need to gather a bunch more people. Or, instead of going after the hardest target available (who you'll probably break even on), you can go for the idiot next to him who hasn't fit a tank.
But the real reason it's a special snowflake situation is that there is no reason why you need to be mining in .5 space. Scord is found in 1.0 space too. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
261
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Posted - 2012.07.30 19:31:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Jorma Morkkis wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:maybe the miners should fit these things called "shield extenders" and "hardeners" instead of having a tank given to them on a silver platter
sorry if you can't make such tough choices like "15% more yield or 300% better tank" What kind of tank you would suggest? This fit has 22k EHP with current stats on SiSi. [Hulk, Tank Fit] Damage Control II Micro Auxiliary Power Core II Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Core Defense Field Extender I The "Buy a Skiff" tank. So if the don't buff the hulks tank we should have no issues with the changes? |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
562
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Posted - 2012.07.30 19:41:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAB6UxUo-rc Nice, Drakes killing supers.
425mm canes are far more effective at it than drakes, just say'in  brb |

Pipa Porto
578
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Posted - 2012.07.30 19:43:00 -
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Jorma Morkkis wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:please stop saying things that are entirely untrue, feel free to test this on sisi I don't have any negative friends. Richard Desturned wrote:outlaw pods have been legal targets since ever Stop lying.
Then try it on TQ. It is perfectly legal to shoot outlaws in pods in HS. You don't go GCC, you don't get CONCORDed, and you don't lose Sec Status. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Lin-Young Borovskova
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
562
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Posted - 2012.07.30 19:43:00 -
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Vaal Erit wrote:Wow I cannot believe people like Jorma not only know nothing about game mechanics but refuse to listen to people who know what they are doing or test it himself.
As someone who has been popping pods and getting podded for 6 years, you have always been able to pod someone who is an outlaw in high sec space. GCC pods are not valid, only outlaws which are people below -5.0. Won't take more than 10 mins to test this on Sisi. I don't need to test it because I podded some poor afk outlaw pod in high sec 3 days ago.
GCC pods should be valid targets to everyone but I assume that's because it would require effort on CCPs part. Giving exhumers +10k base ehp (or whatever it is) is really, really, REALLY tough work. Phew, I'm getting tired just thinking about it, better take a well deserved vacation after this CCP, that's some complicated in-depth finely tuned balancing there. Congrats.
Nice vacations (for everyone) bye  brb |

JamesCLK
Lone Star Exploration Lone Star Partners
192
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Posted - 2012.07.30 19:44:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:an instacane does not use tracking computers
I have no idea what I'm doing (you're right)!
[Hurricane, Instacane]
Counterbalanced Weapon Mounts I Counterbalanced Weapon Mounts I Counterbalanced Weapon Mounts I Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II Tracking Enhancer II
F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Scan Resolution Script F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Scan Resolution Script F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Scan Resolution Script F-90 Positional Sensor Subroutines, Scan Resolution Script
[Empty High slot] [Empty High slot] 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M 720mm Howitzer Artillery II, Republic Fleet Phased Plasma M
Medium Projectile Collision Accelerator I Medium Targeting System Subcontroller I Medium Targeting System Subcontroller I
Locks a Catalyst in 1 second. A direct hit alphas an untanked Catalyst.
Can I have a gold star now? |

Pipa Porto
578
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Posted - 2012.07.30 19:50:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Pipa Porto wrote: The "Buy a Skiff" tank.
So if the don't buff the hulks tank we should have no issues with the changes?
I like the idea behind the changes. Each Exhumer should have a role.
Right now, the Hulk with the new, lower tank is about fine. You gotta be ATK to keep it safe.
My problem is with the Mack and Skiff. Each takes too much of the other's role. The Skiff's not viable so long as the Mack is expensive to gank (something like 50-60k EHP available). And if that were fixed, the Mack would'nt be viable so long as the Skiff has a 17k m3 cargo.
Reduce the Mack's tank and Skiff's cargo, and you'll get an honest-to-god choice between the 3.
Hulk for when you're ATK with fleet support. Mack for when you're ATK with no fleet support. Skiff for when you cba to be ATK all the time to stay safe. EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
261
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Posted - 2012.07.30 19:54:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:Pipa Porto wrote: The "Buy a Skiff" tank.
So if the don't buff the hulks tank we should have no issues with the changes? I like the idea behind the changes. Each Exhumer should have a role. Right now, the Hulk with the new, lower tank is about fine. You gotta be ATK to keep it safe. My problem is with the Mack and Skiff. Each takes too much of the other's role. The Skiff's not viable so long as the Mack is expensive to gank (something like 50-60k EHP available). And if that were fixed, the Mack would'nt be viable so long as the Skiff has a 17k m3 cargo. Reduce the Mack's tank and Skiff's cargo, and you'll get an honest-to-god choice between the 3. Hulk for when you're ATK with fleet support. Mack for when you're ATK with no fleet support. Skiff for when you cba to be ATK all the time to stay safe. Fair and reasonable. No complaints about that analysis. |

Pipa Porto
578
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Posted - 2012.07.30 19:54:00 -
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JamesCLK wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:an instacane does not use tracking computers I have no idea what I'm doing (you're right)! Can I have a gold star now?
I prefer 425mm or 650s ACs on a Nado. Sure it takes 2 shots to kill a Catalyst, but you get a shot every 2 seconds and change (call it 3s). You'll end up killing more Catalysts over the course of the 20s gank. (3 instead of 2) EvE: Everyone vs Everyone
-RubyPorto |

Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
1755
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Posted - 2012.07.30 20:01:00 -
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Pipa Porto wrote: But the real reason it's a special snowflake situation is that there is no reason why you need to be mining in .5 space. Scord is found in 1.0 space too.
Ice is not. Also go mine in 1.0 yourself and you'll find out you why nobody serious does it.
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