[(hint, you have 8 probes)

Pretty much every serious Wormhole pilot and quite a few combat scanners. The idea with 8 probes is to both scan the current site AND search for the next site at the same time.

It seems a lot of the people who were whining here were doing so without actually testing in SiSi. I welcome the skill changes. Now, we don't have to train Range-finding or pinpointing to 5. If we are ready to lose 5% in scan deviation and probe strength, we can leave those at 4 and save nearly 50 days of training (This will irritate some guys who already did it). Add to that the new T1 scanning modules, and you will be probing down 1% signal strength sites in a Drake.

The new system does make probing unbelievably easier and faster. If you use the scanner overlay with the new instant probe formations, you can probe down a signal some 20 mouse clicks faster. It does take some monotony out of probing some 20 systems in a row for a good site on a bad day. On a good day, you will be left smiling without realizing it while you probe down sites within half a minute of it spawning. As this makes things easier for newbies also, the veterans will naturally grudge it. And all this talk of 'This is EVE' is a natural outburst from them.

I support completely the demand for the feature where only a single probe is launched when you click the launcher manually. Also all the probes launched thus should be centrally placed overlapping each other. This will additionally help those who want custom probe formations.

If the mini-game is not improved before Odyssey launch on TQ (I expect it would be), a lot of us will have to give up on those sites. The new loot spew system up now on SiSi is impossibly frustrating. Those who have tried it will know what I am talking about. If they are planning to completely remove the triggered NPC spawns at these sites or limit those to frigs or destroyers, we could use frigs ourselves to make grabbing those spews more easier. But without reducing the collision level, everything becomes frustratingly hopeless (Also, you are inside one of those structures - hostile pops up in D-Scan - you try to align to celestial/safe - you realize you can't due to collidable objects - you frantically try to get out of it to align - hostile lands on grid, points you and pop you).

I don't think you read what he said closely enough before agreeing with it.

I use 8 probes on my scanning alt in two groups of four to do exactly what you're talking about.

He says 'all the best' use 8, but only in a single formation, IE, just like it is right now on SiSi.

I don't think you read what he said closely enough before agreeing with it.

I use 8 probes on my scanning alt in two groups of four to do exactly what you're talking about.

He says 'all the best' use 8, but only in a single formation, IE, just like it is right now on SiSi.

Since you need a minimum of 4 probes to scan anything down (unless that's changed) perhaps it would be better if clicking on the probe launcher launched 4 probes, and additional clicks launching another 2 probes?

Since you need a minimum of 4 probes to scan anything down (unless that's changed) perhaps it would be better if clicking on the probe launcher launched 4 probes, and additional clicks launching another 2 probes?

^This

Remove preformed layouts, and allow for multiple probe launches. It's a good middle ground that reduces the amount of clicking, while not dumbing down probing in the process.

Which the "we want to reduce clicking" argument is comical to say the least. The changes seem to be geared towards PVE, which they remove clicking in probing, but then add a minigame that's all clicking and a pinata that's even more clicking. :CCPlogic:

let em keep the pin point layout, its useful and any rookie will be able to get a 100% hit in 3 moves, the spread is an abortion as is the reversion to set default scan sizes.

The single probe launch is necessary for many tasks if you live way out where little probing goes on, its a way to get rid of what you bookmarked the day before and with out having to re-find the thing.

i suggested earlier, make all Core probes launch as a set of 8 a.k.a. the SUPER PROBE and increase mass of the set of 8 to to equal 1 Combat probe with single launch.

The pinpoint layout is the one I have the most issue with. The whole idea that " a rookie can get it in 3 moves" is proof that it is bad.

Except that that's absolutely just rhetoric and nothing else.
I'm not terribly faster with this new system than I was with the old one. Granted then I was using 5 probes and now I'm using 8, but the only real difference in time comes from the reduction of clicks. I was a very slow prober before and I still am a slow prober. And I usually don't get it in 3 moves. It typically takes me at least 6.

Except that that's absolutely just rhetoric and nothing else.
I'm not terribly faster with this new system than I was with the old one. Granted then I was using 5 probes and now I'm using 8, but the only real difference in time comes from the reduction of clicks. I was a very slow prober before and I still am a slow prober. And I usually don't get it in 3 moves. It typically takes me at least 6.

did we all forget about the Deep Space Probe removal?

CCP Paradox - please keep DSP in the game, and allow the launch of one.

or expand the range of Combats(and Cores) to 256 to make up for the loss

You still get a benefit to training them to 5, you need each specific skill to lvl 5 in order to fit the T2 scanning upgrade that accompanies it. EX: You need Rangefinding to 5 in orfer to fit a T2 Rangefinding Array

Why bother? Based on feedback scanning is easier and can be accomplished without scan bonused ships comfortably.

and the changes, a chimp could be taught to get a 100% hit in 3 moves with only using the mouse.

Regardless of your speed, it still takes what little thought process out of probing. To where it's move cluster over dot, shrink, shrink, hit. While setting up probes may seem tedious to some, it was really the only "challenge" that existed in probing.

Also don't be afraid to jump sizes, especially if you are past 15-20% str.

I'm waiting for the offgrid boosters to be nerfed so I can feel like I lost those SP too.

Sounds about right, CCP consider this an improvement. Don't you?