Most of the problems discussed in this thread would go away if the ship maintenance bay simply wasn't scannable.

Yes - there will be killmails upon first release but it will die down to an average # of kills each month. There needs to be more risk involved for those who want to gank. Right now there's too little risk for gankers.

All you can see are the ships. Any mods on those ships cannot be scanned.

They're sad panda because they're not convinced this solution delivers the solution they actually wanted.

ATM,yes but soon enought that will be adressed as specified by Rise.

No he said ships will drop from a destroyed bowhead, he didn't say you could scan the fitted ships inside.

Considering that your group just ganked a Jump freighter in Uedama with only a couple hundred million of cargo, costing you well over a billion in gank ships, does it really matter? I mean this freighter ganking is not being done for ISK, hence the joy of ganking even empty ships! The idea that putting less cargo in, or being unscannable, will actually deter the 2 major freighter ganking groups seems farfetched.

What makes you think there was no reason to gank this freighter alt?

There are always lots of reasons - fun, tears, etc... the point is that the folks doing this aren't in it for the ISK - pretty sure they could make more isk with less effort AFK or semi-afk ratting in Deklein (carriers work great). Since it ain't being done for ISK discussions of break-even ship capacity or the ability to scan internal mods are pretty irrelevant. If the couple groups who gank these type of ships in highsec decide to gank the Bowhead, they will be doing it pretty much irrespective of profit and loss.

know how the ganker brought his friends?
well so can the bowhead pilot.

we've been through this tired old incorrect spew in every thread containing the word "freighter" for the last god knows how long.

The ganking of freighters lately in Uedama has been cheap destroyers - the total destroyers lost of which is nothing close to a billion ISK. The freighter pilots are the ones who have been losing a billion+ ISK including cargo and time to replace.

It's ridiculous that a bunch of dessies can take out a freighter in the game in hi-sec. The gankers risk a bunch of cheap dessies for whatever thrills they are getting from the gank.

And it is also ridiculous to expect all the single solo freighter pilots to now have escorts in hi-sec, just to move their Incursion and Missioning ships around. Sorry charlie, most freighter pilots run solo and WANT TO RUN solo.

The game right now caters way too much to gankers.

If you want to take down a freighter in hi-sec - it should and ought to take much more than a bunch of cheap dessies to do it. The ganksters need to be at least in some hi-tech cruisers if not BSs to take down a freighter.

You know who's whining the most on this thread? Gankers who want to stay on the gravy train and don't want to risk jack *****.

ahahahaha

There is no point to fly the bowhead if you need more than 1.. ok, let's say 2 pilots.
In the same time you fly the bowhead 30 jumps you can move 4 ships in 2 trips with 2 pilots and have time left o go and buy a pizza.

And yet, 99.999% of freighters are not ganked.

because the point is that logi reps can keep up with catalysts sufficiently long enough to allow a concord response. even more so with the bowhead than a normal freighter, as the bowhead can fit invulns and various hardeners to increase the repping power unlike normal freighters that are stuck with the base resist profiles.
unlike tornados just taking the ship off the grid before reps can be a factor.

What exactly is wrong with countering a fleet with a fleet of your own?

Give this ship a bonus for Micro Jump Drives, so that the MJD cannot be disrupted by Warp Scramblers! Autopiloted ships will still be ganked, but actively flown ships have at least a chance to get away alive!

That is certainly not true for freighters/JFs going through Uedama/Niarja the last couple of months.

And why would I trade the complete safety of my travel fit battleship, without any need for scouts/escorts, for this? I mean accepting substantial risk for a minimal reduction in travel time? Sounds crazy.

Uh - maybe some of us don't have a fleet and want to play solo. Like I'd guess 90% of the freighter pilots want to fly it solo.

So what are you saying - we should all bow down to a bunch of yahoo gankers in Uedama because you think we should have fleets coming out of our butts to make it more balanced when you use a bunch of cheap dessies to take down a billion ISK freighter?

Or maybe we should make a freighter a FREIGHTER and make HI-SEC a place where new players, solo players, and Industrialists can feel relatively safe while all the yahoo cheap dessy pilots can go gank in low-sec or nul-sec where they really belong?

Tens of thousands of freighters move through that system every week. The number of kills are on average a few dozen.


As for your "completely safe" battleship, it has half the tank of the bowhead.

Uh - maybe some of us don't have a fleet and want to play solo. Like I'd guess 90% of the freighter pilots want to fly it solo.

So what are you saying - we should all bow down to a bunch of yahoo gankers in Uedama because you think we should have fleets coming out of our butts to make it more balanced when you use a bunch of cheap dessies to take down a billion ISK freighter?

Or maybe we should make a freighter a FREIGHTER and make HI-SEC a place where new players, solo players, and Industrialists can feel relatively safe while all the yahoo cheap dessy pilots can go gank in low-sec or nul-sec where they really belong?

We went over this, the bowheads were faster at transporting 3 battleships over 30 jumps by a sizeable margin.

Or you can use some common sense and realise that when 40 people come after you screaming no fair I want to play alone isn't a valid tactic in a massively multiplayer online game

That is certainly not true for freighters/JFs going through Uedama/Niarja the last couple of months.

That seems like a wildly inflated number. There just aren't that many freighter pilots or freighter trips.

And yes my battleship has fewer HP, but it also has an essentially infallible cloak + mwd trick, and can't really be bumped out of alignment. Not to mention a low sig radius and align time. How many travel fit battleships do you see dying in Uedama every week?

It's usually 2 BSs and 2 Logi ships but because NM and Vindi are slower than Machariel, i'll take your word it.
At the end, you won't have time to go and buy a pizza... but, enough to go and take a beer from the fridge.

Tens of thousands of freighters move through that system every week. The number of kills are on average a few dozen.


As for your "completely safe" battleship, it has half the tank of the bowhead.