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Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 1871	Posted - 2014.11.14 08:41:56 - [1411] - Quote Veers Belvar wrote: The reality is that the only group in highsec that actually needs to move 3 battleships around at once is incursion runners, and most of them with either have vindi+mach+nm or vindi+nm+scimi+basi, Either way the hull value alone is getting close to 2 bil....and lots of highsec players will be sticking their expensive mods in as well, so we could easily be looking at 10 bil+ inside. I'm just hoping we don't start seeing these blowing up the same way we see jump freighters blowing up. Personally I'm gonna wait a couple of months to see the ganking level before I even consider flying this. Nope. We do need to move our high end combat ships from one contract zone to the other. And out Ships are as expensive as incursion shiny fleets (usually ranging form 3 bil to 7 bil). But we do not whine as much... and in fact I think we were never ever ganked because we use brains. (Move modules in a blockade runner ) "If brute force does not solve your problem.... then you are surely not using enough!" For the rest hire PoH \| Recruitment
Anonymous Forumposter State War Academy Caldari State 90	Posted - 2014.11.14 08:58:26 - [1412] - Quote Kagura Nikon wrote: Where in the nine hells is that a personal attack? It is neither an attack neither personal. Your inability to identify that as a personal attack isn't at all a surprise. It does however make me question what else you're incapable of having an unbiased judgement on. Kagura Nikon wrote: no wodner that eve is too harsh for you> probably a butterfly flapping its wings near you would be too harsh as well. Personal attack #2 and #3 I won't bother expecting you to be capable of recognizing those either. You're clearly deluded and emotional. Kagura Nikon wrote: Aa pooor boy. Personal attack #4, again, not holding my breath on you to realize let alone accept/admit it. Kagura Nikon wrote: What do you think happens for people in 0.0 or wormhoel space when their station or POS are attacked? Oo right. They COMMUNICATE and try to solve the issue. Comparing Null-sec and Wormhole space to high sec invalidates your entire argument. Kagura Nikon wrote: I am not ignroant of anything, You've already used this entire post to build an argument against this claim, only to contradict yourself with this. Not to mention the immutable fact that every single being in existence (That we can prove exists) is ignorant of something.
Nya Kittenheart Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 4	Posted - 2014.11.14 09:36:21 - [1413] - Quote Quote: -The ship should be in the Interbus line -Which line is not the concern it's just that the skill progression doesn't feel natural for a hauler alt compared to the Rorqual and the Orca .It would make much sense to use Capital industrial ship for the first bonus and Capital ship for the other . Quote: -Not the role of the ship -You can deny that this ship is some sort of Orca's big brother, and will be used in the same way.Some incursion community make great use of this bay to haul the necessary ore to complete some of their sites.It would be nice to add one. Quote: -Warp speed for a tugboat? Doesn't seem realistic and comparable to other T1 freighters or Orca. -Why not a 10 % bonus would give a max warspeed of 2.2 tie this to capital ship skill and you have a nice trade off skill vs warspeed. it would remove the need of an High grade Ascendancy set to get decent use of the ship and reduce the bill if u get ganked + podded. Quote: -That will sure limit availability and won't add much to regular Industrialist players in Eve. So no. Underestimating the amount of LP stored by incursionners:) + as they will be the main users once again it would make sense , worst case you have to farm incursion to farm the LP ,we have seen less profitable way to farm ... Quote: -Why more CPU? Since suicide ganking we shouldn't discuss and now is not even an issue. As specified a bit more CPU to fit 2 x t2 Hardener or to 2 x t2 invul because they aren't only Catalyst and Talos roaming in space ^^ To Kagura Nikon : I'd be please that you do not tie whining to "incursionners" as we are mostly complete strangers to ganking problems mostly because we don't move our BS faction fitted ... This whole thread as been derailed on the freighter subject + i doubt any sane incursionners would fit BS faction fitted in that hull. But you can deny the entry Bill for doing a proper use of this ship is quite hight ! -HULL (2b)+3 rigs (700M)+3 BS (2.2 B)+warpspeed implants because freaking slow (2B) +2 other + 6 % implants (hull+ agi) = 7.4 B to do max use of the hull is not pocket money even for an incursionner
Altrue Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective 1395	Posted - 2014.11.14 10:07:57 - [1414] - Quote The bowhead as a tool to do indirect mass projection in null seems fine to me. Given that i can only mass-transport frigates, I don't see the problem... Its a nice way of mitigating the jump fatigue changes for those willing to fight in small ships instead of supercaps. I always thought that fatigue should scale depending of the mass of the ship you bridge. Well, this is a nice indirect realization of that thought. Signature Tanking - Best Tanking
Bagrat Skalski Poseidaon 6231	Posted - 2014.11.14 10:44:12 - [1415] - Quote In a ship so huge, why there would be no drone bay? Small drone bay would even make this ship capable of repairing other ships outside the maintenance bay. Or even limited self defence. Why only hauling other ships?? In a hull like that, there should be secondary and tertiary activity build in for a limited small scale support. Recon makes them stronger
Anonymous Forumposter State War Academy Caldari State 90	Posted - 2014.11.14 10:51:31 - [1416] - Quote Bagrat Skalski wrote: In a ship so huge, why there would be no drone bay? Small drone bay would even make this ship capable of repairing other ships outside the maintenance bay. Or even limited self defence. Why only hauling other ships?? In a hull like that, there should be secondary and tertiary activity build in for a limited small scale support. I suspect the reasons they aren't adding a drone bay is "Because none of the other freighters have them." The role as an in space depot is already the secondary/tertiary activity built into this ship designed to move ships from one station to another.
Dwissi Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 89	Posted - 2014.11.14 11:47:48 - [1417] - Quote So far the usage of the bowhead has only been stated as incursion usage - which is far too limited. Any ship in Eve can and is used for many different purposes . So specializing this just for incursion runners is plain out wrong. The industry changes in Crius forced industrialist to rethink how they establish themselves - it has become much more dynamic due to system cost index. The bowhead fills this role as well. Entire mining fleets being moved by a indy corporation into a new area of operations is another use case for the new ship - any kind of moving a fleet to a new ops area basically qualifies for this. As with any freighter related business this ship doesn't really introduce any new challenges. Serious players will not move solo around with a freighter right now and they will not with this new ship either - unless they are too homophobic to play along with other players or are plain out 'advice resistant'. CCP -please do not continue to make the game more and more a solo game - we have enough offline games for that. Not each and every ship type has to be defined in a way that it only requires a single person to 'get the job done'. Moving large amounts of valuable assets has to be risky when done solo. Proud designer of glasses for geeky dovakins Before someone complains again: grr everyone Greed is the death of loyalty
War Kitten Panda McLegion 5500	Posted - 2014.11.14 12:09:31 - [1418] - Quote Valterra Craven wrote: War Kitten wrote: You're making my point for me and don't even realize it in your rush to argue - follow along closely this time.... CCP did not try to remove hisec criminality, they only nerfed/tweaked/adjusted/whatever'd it. Had they wanted to remove criminal behavior in hisec, the crimewatch revamp would've been a really opportune time to do it. - feel free to insert whatever term you feel is most genuine here - again, it is not relevant to the point unless you use "removed", and then you'd be being disingenuous again. Sigh Why is it so hard to be civil to others when trying to make a point? As to your point, I've already stated numerous times that I don't believe high sec should be completely safe and I don't think criminality should be completely removed from the game. What I have said is that the balance for this activity is STILL not there and in my opinion needs work. So considering that I already agreed with the point you're trying to make and that I made it long before you even posted this response, it appears that you are the one that is arguing for the sake of it. You're the one that took issue with my point when you misunderstood it. If you agree, then why are you arguing with me? My post wasn't even addressing you, it was addressing others that feel hisec should be safe, and I didn't quote anyone. If you want to be civil, perhaps you could back down occasionally and take ownership when you're in the wrong instead of bull-headedly arguing just for the sake of arguing. You picked this argument, you misunderstood and now you try and put it on me? Yeah, that's civil. I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
Marcus Tedric Tedric Enterprises The Star League 18	Posted - 2014.11.14 12:17:03 - [1419] - Quote Does there remain the possibility that CCP will clarify the SMA vs SMB query? The OP still says 'Array' - and they are different.
War Kitten Panda McLegion 5500	Posted - 2014.11.14 12:25:50 - [1420] - Quote I like the solo pilot argument for balance versus a gang. It makes so much sense! I like soloing too - we need a ship that is capable of ganking freighters solo in hisec. I will gladly pay the hull price equivalent of the ship I intend to gank so it will also be isk balanced. Now how many solo freighter pilots think this is a good idea? It fits your need for isk equality and solo capability. Come on, step right up and either support the idea or admit you're being selfish in that you really only want your solo capability enhanced, not everyone's. I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
Ix Method Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 304	Posted - 2014.11.14 12:29:29 - [1421] - Quote Bagrat Skalski wrote: In a ship so huge, why there would be no drone bay? Small drone bay would even make this ship capable of repairing other ships outside the maintenance bay. Or even limited self defence. Why only hauling other ships?? In a hull like that, there should be secondary and tertiary activity build in for a limited small scale support. Another way to 'break free of the empires', etc, etc. A 25/75 bay for Logi Drones might be a nice touch without meaningfully improving its defence. But then I guess you could say the same for a high for an Improved Cloak, in the end you could lump all sorts of **** onto this for all kinds of reasons. Travelling at the speed of love.
War Kitten Panda McLegion 5500	Posted - 2014.11.14 12:36:29 - [1422] - Quote Ix Method wrote: Bagrat Skalski wrote: In a ship so huge, why there would be no drone bay? Small drone bay would even make this ship capable of repairing other ships outside the maintenance bay. Or even limited self defence. Why only hauling other ships?? In a hull like that, there should be secondary and tertiary activity build in for a limited small scale support. Another way to 'break free of the empires', etc, etc. A 25/75 bay for Logi Drones might be a nice touch without meaningfully improving its defence. But then I guess you could say the same for a high for an Improved Cloak, in the end you could lump all sorts of **** onto this for all kinds of reasons. Oooh, that gave me an idea (not a sarcastic one either)... The Bowhead could be allowed to repair other ships and make it a floating garage. Ships in the SMB could be right-click repaired by the pilot - including module overheat damage. I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
S'No Flake Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation 43	Posted - 2014.11.14 13:43:17 - [1423] - Quote Masao Kurata wrote: Bertucio wrote: This does make me wonder if the real design goal of the Bowhead is just to provide more cannon fodder for gankers? Since as it stands now - unless you fly with it in a fleet or dual account play and have some kind of logistics, you're going to have to say bye bye to your Bowhead everytime a group of 20 cheap dessies and their CODE? leader want to gank it in hi-sec. 35 destroyers if you tank it properly. And if you're flying solo. If you're caught at all with your 10 second warps. If the fc can even get 35 gankers. Who by the way have to all have perfect skills for this calculation. And if nobody makes any mistakes. And if there is no interference reducing the effective firepower of the fleet. And if you ignore the huge red circle of death on your star map from the activity of such a large, well trained gank fleet. It's called isboxer :) There are entire fleets of them. Some ganking in HS. Some flying SBs in 0.0, some doing incursions with 30 something pirate battleships.
Valterra Craven 364	Posted - 2014.11.14 14:51:00 - [1424] - Quote War Kitten wrote: My post wasn't even addressing you, it was addressing others that feel hisec should be safe, and I didn't quote anyone. No, your original post did not quote me. But when I asked you to back up your claims, every other post you made after did: War Kitten wrote: Valterra Craven wrote: War Kitten wrote: For those of you that think hisec should be safe, ponder this... CCP recently revamped how the crimewatch criminal flagging system works. Can flipping disappeared, and hisec combat in general took a pretty big nerf with the new suspect flag making criminals vulnerable to all. If you commit a crime in hisec, everyone can shoot at you now - not just the person you stole from. Given the nature of the beast I'm not sure that you can factually make this claim. I'm not per se saying you are wrong, just that I don't believe their is enough evidence to make that claim. I see plenty of bait blinky yellows around minnie systems that have lots of traffic in it. All crimewatch has done is condition people not to be stupid enough to shoot those blinky players given the way the mechanics of assistance are so foolishly laid out. The quirks of crimewatch's implementation are secondary to my point. Don't be obtuse. If CCP intended hisec to be safe, they would have made it so by now. Now, the original point you made was that due to all of the changes over that years that high sec ganking and and other activities have been drastically cut down. My point was that I could see no evidence of this, nor did you provide any data to back your assertion up. All of this other tangential business aside, are you going to try to provide the data are aren't you? Keep in mind that while CCP does have a history of making changes, those changes don't necessarily work out the way they intend them too. Given the amount of people in this thread saying that the bowhead should have more HP so that it is not easy to gank and given all of the anecdotal evidence to the contrary of your point, I don't believe you can back up you argument.
Jean Luc Lemmont Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 257	Posted - 2014.11.14 15:06:43 - [1425] - Quote War Kitten wrote: Ix Method wrote: Bagrat Skalski wrote: In a ship so huge, why there would be no drone bay? Small drone bay would even make this ship capable of repairing other ships outside the maintenance bay. Or even limited self defence. Why only hauling other ships?? In a hull like that, there should be secondary and tertiary activity build in for a limited small scale support. Another way to 'break free of the empires', etc, etc. A 25/75 bay for Logi Drones might be a nice touch without meaningfully improving its defence. But then I guess you could say the same for a high for an Improved Cloak, in the end you could lump all sorts of **** onto this for all kinds of reasons. Oooh, that gave me an idea (not a sarcastic one either)... The Bowhead could be allowed to repair other ships and make it a floating garage. Ships in the SMB could be right-click repaired by the pilot - including module overheat damage. If this goes through I will do two things. A) Immediately invest every scrap of liquid ISK I havbe in Nanite Paste. B) Have your children. A bitter vet trying to start anew.
SFM Hobb3s Wrecking Shots Black Legion. 229	Posted - 2014.11.14 15:09:30 - [1426] - Quote For a ship designed specifically for hisec use, I'm surprised it even has a jump drive. Considering that everyone has been arguing why the ship that absolutely needed it, the Nestor, doesn't have one.
Anonymous Forumposter State War Academy Caldari State 92	Posted - 2014.11.14 15:10:24 - [1427] - Quote SFM Hobb3s wrote: For a ship designed specifically for hisec use, I'm surprised it even has a jump drive. Considering that everyone has been arguing why the ship that absolutely needed it, the Nestor, doesn't have one. Because it DOESN'T have a jump drive. That's why.
Dwissi Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire 89	Posted - 2014.11.14 15:11:31 - [1428] - Quote SFM Hobb3s wrote: For a ship designed specifically for hisec use, I'm surprised it even has a jump drive. Considering that everyone has been arguing why the ship that absolutely needed it, the Nestor, doesn't have one. Its not a jump drive but the bonus of reducing jump fatigue by 90% - when using a jump bridge like other haulers. Proud designer of glasses for geeky dovakins Before someone complains again: grr everyone Greed is the death of loyalty
Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 9009	Posted - 2014.11.14 15:56:16 - [1429] - Quote War Kitten wrote: Ix Method wrote: Bagrat Skalski wrote: In a ship so huge, why there would be no drone bay? Small drone bay would even make this ship capable of repairing other ships outside the maintenance bay. Or even limited self defence. Why only hauling other ships?? In a hull like that, there should be secondary and tertiary activity build in for a limited small scale support. Another way to 'break free of the empires', etc, etc. A 25/75 bay for Logi Drones might be a nice touch without meaningfully improving its defence. But then I guess you could say the same for a high for an Improved Cloak, in the end you could lump all sorts of **** onto this for all kinds of reasons. Oooh, that gave me an idea (not a sarcastic one either)... The Bowhead could be allowed to repair other ships and make it a floating garage. Ships in the SMB could be right-click repaired by the pilot - including module overheat damage. Like this from another game universe? :)
War Kitten Panda McLegion 5505	Posted - 2014.11.14 15:57:02 - [1430] - Quote Valterra Craven wrote: Now, the original point you made was that due to all of the changes over the years that high sec ganking and and other activities have been drastically cut down. This is where you went wrong - I'll ignore the rest of your post because your premise is flawed. That was not the point I made. I did say that the modification to crimewatch was a nerf to hisec criminality, but that was not my point. It was just to establish the fact that CCP visited hisec crime mechanics recently. You can argue that all you like about whether it is a nerf or not until you're blue in the face - it is not my point, as I've stated a few times now. In your rush to argue, you're still pants-on-head and head-in-the-sand wrong and being obtuse. I find that without a good mob to provide one for them, most people would have no mentality at all.
Euripedies Hot Droppin Cherry Poppers 16	Posted - 2014.11.14 16:11:55 - [1431] - Quote +1 for the Bowhead/ Space Tug Finally my very own space tug I can haul my ships in. While incursion runners may use them for their shiny ships, I have lots of small ships I would like to haul here and there. When I need to move to another region I can just load up and go, awesome.
Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 1008	Posted - 2014.11.14 16:23:06 - [1432] - Quote Euripedies wrote: +1 for the Bowhead/ Space Tug Finally my very own space tug I can haul my ships in. While incursion runners may use them for their shiny ships, I have lots of small ships I would like to haul here and there. When I need to move to another region I can just load up and go, awesome. See? A use case. The fact that the ship isn't being custom tailored to the whims of the single example proffered by the devblog does not obviate the entire ship's purpose. This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
EvilweaselFinance BUTTECORP INC Goonswarm Federation 342	Posted - 2014.11.14 16:31:02 - [1433] - Quote Bagrat Skalski wrote: In a ship so huge, why there would be no drone bay? titans don't have a drone bay
Yume Ookami Cognitive Disonance 2	Posted - 2014.11.14 16:36:11 - [1434] - Quote Anonymous Forumposter wrote: Ix Method wrote: Any news on courier contracting goodness? Not yet. Things people are waiting for answers to: 1) Will this ship cause modifications to plastic wrapping ships in courier contracts? - a) Will we be able to haul plastic wrapped ships in the Bowhead? - b) Will plastic wrapped ships still be courier-able via freighters and other ships 2) SMA or SMB? - a) Will this ship have a Ship Maintenance Array (P.O.S. Module that holds both packaged and unpackaged ships and also allows you to assemble ships inside it.)? - b) or a Ship Maintenance Bay (Like every other ship that holds ships) 3) Will we be able to board and load ships to/from this vessel in space? 4) Will we be able to refit ships in space using this ship? If you're also interested in the answers to these questions, please like this post! 1.a) no since it is a ship for hauling ships, plastic wrap is not a ship. 1.b) IDK but i think that it will be changed to not allow it. 2.a) probably not since it is intended to haul "assembled and rigged ships". 2.b) this part was stated as part of the ship, so i assume it to still be this way. 3) probably not since it does not have a ship maintenance bay. 4) probably not since it does not have a ship maintenance bay that works to generate refitting services. this is only my understanding of it and may be changed by the devs... i hope it will have refitting and a fleet hanger.
Dreiden Kisada GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 20	Posted - 2014.11.14 16:37:32 - [1435] - Quote Bertucio wrote: Actually it's the gankers here that have been arguing for "entitlement" i.e. their entitlement to use a bunch of cheap dessies to take down a Billion+ freighter and its goods. You don't see any problems but many of us do i.e. it's pretty straightforward these days to take down a freighter in Uedama by a group of cheap dessies. In fact, there's not much of a challenge taking down a defenseless ship in hi-sec, and I often wonder if the griefers have anything more challenging in life to do. But hey, not my cup of tea. You just said "I've never done this activity, but I will tell you all about this activity as if i've ever done it"
Frostys Virpio The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 1367	Posted - 2014.11.14 16:47:01 - [1436] - Quote Querns wrote: Euripedies wrote: +1 for the Bowhead/ Space Tug Finally my very own space tug I can haul my ships in. While incursion runners may use them for their shiny ships, I have lots of small ships I would like to haul here and there. When I need to move to another region I can just load up and go, awesome. See? A use case. The fact that the ship isn't being custom tailored to the whims of the single example proffered by the devblog does not obviate the entire ship's purpose. The only small issue I ave with this is the thing was stated to be geared toward incursion runners when it was first talked about. I'm not saying the ship is bad or anything, just that it ended up missing it's intended target. If we can unload fitted ships in space, it will be a dream come true for ganking squads imo and that mean a second use case.
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 13898	Posted - 2014.11.14 17:09:38 - [1437] - Quote Stating these ships are made for high sec use was a mistake. By far the most use these ships will see will be outside of high sec where the demand for moving large numbers of fitted ships is very high. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Daniel Plain Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 2167	Posted - 2014.11.14 17:12:02 - [1438] - Quote this will probably be my only contribution to this topic, so i will try to sum up my thoughts on this as concisely as possible. 1. usefulness: given that the hull cost will probably be in the billions and the complementary skill will be a long train, there has to be a damn good use case or else this hull will not be used a lot. i myself have quite a few rigged hulls lying around across hisec and i'm still not sure if i want to go through the trouble of getting one of those. this leads me to believe that indeed, only incursion runners will make regular use of the hull. 2. ganking: given the above, there is a very good reason to make this hull virtually ungankable. as we all know, miniluv and CODE are not the only groups killing freighters for sport (and good for them), so the question of dropping ship hulls from the maintainance bay (array?) is less important than the question of exposing expensive assets. 2.1 unfitting shiny mods: this is not a viable solution, not because it makes players choose between tedium and danger (as this balance is present in many parts of EVE), but because it requires a second trip or a second char. if you need to fly twice or have two toons anyway, you might as well fly your ships manually and enjoy faster align times and faster warp speeds. 3. conclusion: if CCP wants to give the hull a solid role, they have to cater to incursion runners, which means raising the EHP to almost 7 digit levels at least. that said, i have no problem accepting another eccentric and underused hull into the EVE universe to counteract the gleichschaltung that is taking place in other areas. I should buy an Ishtar.
Querns GBS Logistics and Fives Support Goonswarm Federation 1012	Posted - 2014.11.14 17:15:44 - [1439] - Quote Daniel Plain wrote: 2. ganking: given the above, there is a very good reason to make this hull virtually ungankable. I disagree. This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
Yume Ookami Cognitive Disonance 2	Posted - 2014.11.14 17:19:36 - [1440] - Quote Daniel Plain wrote: this will probably be my only contribution to this topic, so i will try to sum up my thoughts on this as concisely as possible. 1. usefulness: given that the hull cost will probably be in the billions and the complementary skill will be a long train. the skill will probably not be any more time than a current freighter skill. maybe x6 training time so maybe an hour for level 1. and the ship "should be" on par with the other freighters for price in the end.

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