I would like to see a Recon role bonus that would do something to promote hunting/reconnaissance...
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Sensors that let it warp to any ships outside of 150km+

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Next release is less happening in less than 2 weeks. In a couple of days, they'll mirror the test server. People will comment. CCP will go ahead and release it "as is" and never look back.



Sigh.

People (gross generalisation) are usually cheap, especially when it means risking things... you have to ask why then that T3s are significantly more prevalent and the simple answer isn't that its due to T3s being OP but that the cheap option is not upto the task.

Recons would be cool if they could warp to ships INSIDE of 150km. That would be unique. No special module, just align & warp. Or warp short... or even warp long...

But we won't see that.

Next release is less happening in less than 2 weeks. In a couple of days, they'll mirror the test server. People will comment. CCP will go ahead and release it "as is" and never look back.

Sigh.

Hey rise,

like the changes mostly, Guess eve is gonna change to Curse + ishtar online.

Speaking of the ishtar, the last "nerf" (lol) you did months ago didnt do ****. you mentioned it might be to easy on it. Its time for a change. Nerf that thing out of the game. its extremely unhealthy for the balance of the game. so ******* boring. pretty much all i ever see is the ishtar.

People have had their fun. It's time. Nerf the **** out of the ishtar.

Pretty much all you ever see is the Ishtar, but it's not even in your corp's top 10 ships, you don't seem to lose ships against Ishtars or kill them on any kind of frequency?

Less than 30% of your all time HAC mails are Ishtars. HAC mails are 1.2% of your all mails.

But yeah guess it's easier to jump on the forum whiner bandwagon than sticking to reality.

Perhaps it's because they don't like to fly ishtars because it's boring. And because they don't like to fly them and because the Ishtar is the only HAC that can go toe to toe with the Ishtar they simply don't engage them.

Right now. If you're not using an Ishtar you're doing it wrong. If you can't see how overpowered the Ishtar is you're delusional. And this is from me who abuses the nutmeg out of how overpowered the Ishtar is.

I wonder if CCP Rise & team would consider something like simply swapping some bonuses around for the Caldari ships.

1) Take the spilt range / intensity bonus to ECM from the Blackbird and put it on the Falcon. The Falcon has the thinnest tank; uses range and stealth for survivability and should be the furthest away from direct combat if possible. With the small hull buffs noted in Rise's OP it will be in excellent shape.

2) Take the intensity bonus from the Falcon and put that on the Blackbird. Very solid ECM capability and T1 cruiser hull performance.

3) Keep the current Rook bonus but beef up the eHP to legit T2 levels but not to current HAC levels... I would say roughly 90% of HAC level. I don't like the kinetic dmg lock-in but they could consider upping the proposed kinetic damage bonus of 7.5% per level to 10% per level or perhaps a slight buff to drone bandwidth and bay (25 / 25 up to 30 / 30). I don't think the D-scan immunity is going to be overpowered in conjunction with these ships. You also have two very specific hard counters you can bring to the table in the form of ECCM and kinetic dmg resist mods.

I think this gets you value and equally important differentiation for each of the ships in this chain from T1 to Combat Recon to Force Recon.

Either way...as noted earlier in the thread I assume the final numbers will be coming out in a week or so and we'll see what's up.

Anyone want to place bets on how long after combat recons get d-scan immunity it'll be before F&I gets flooded with suggestions on every single other ship size getting the same treatment?

Hey rise,

like the changes mostly, Guess eve is gonna change to Curse + ishtar online.

Speaking of the ishtar, the last "nerf" (lol) you did months ago didnt do ****. you mentioned it might be to easy on it. Its time for a change. Nerf that thing out of the game. its extremely unhealthy for the balance of the game. so ******* boring. pretty much all i ever see is the ishtar.

People have had their fun. It's time. Nerf the **** out of the ishtar.

DonGÇÖt be ridiculous sir! You can also see Vexor Navy quite often .
If I see Ishtars in WH space more often than t3, than yes itGÇÖs f**ked up.

While I cant say for other corps I do know our corp uses the Ishtar on a daily basis, in fact I have gone without flying my T3 in WH combat for weeks at a time.

Null Roam - Ishtar
Pulsar - Consider the Ishtar
Black hole - Ishtar
Fight at 0m on a WH in any of the above - T3 (But often someone will bring an Ishtar)

Funny how CCP gradually makes life unbearable for people with thin wallets who live in lowsec, while vets literally swim in hundreds of billions.
This change may look appealing and maybe fun to some, because it's totally unfair - but in return all it will achieve will be the opposite. Repeated changes of this kind make the game boring and linear in the end.
Players will never surrender to the game and choose to lose ships because the game was made this way, but find other ways instead, or simply do something else (perhaps just play another game).

I may sound controvesial now, but how am I supposed to farm isk - what if I want to pirate ? Why was ship insurance introduced ? No sentry jamming ? Warp to zero where ever I go ?
The Risk- Averse players are people who often have thin wallets, and the ship they undock is often a good part of their total wealth. That is their playstyle. Feel free to judge them but keep in mind that the best excuse for this ''rebalance'' joke is the Risk Averse pvp-er, how people love to call it. This guy will now have to sweat even more to be able to afford what he wants to fly because of a change made for changes' sake, pushed by people who farm moons and blob since the dawn of time, and have long forgotten what this game has to, or might have to offer

I wonder if CCP Rise & team would consider something like simply swapping some bonuses around for the Caldari ships.

1) Take the spilt range / intensity bonus to ECM from the Blackbird and put it on the Falcon. The Falcon has the thinnest tank; uses range and stealth for survivability and should be the furthest away from direct combat if possible. With the small hull buffs noted in Rise's OP it will be in excellent shape.

2) Take the intensity bonus from the Falcon and put that on the Blackbird. Very solid ECM capability and T1 cruiser hull performance.

3) Keep the current Rook bonus but beef up the eHP to legit T2 levels but not to current HAC levels... I would say roughly 90% of HAC level. I don't like the kinetic dmg lock-in but they could consider upping the proposed kinetic damage bonus of 7.5% per level to 10% per level or perhaps a slight buff to drone bandwidth and bay (25 / 25 up to 30 / 30). I don't think the D-scan immunity is going to be overpowered in conjunction with these ships. You also have two very specific hard counters you can bring to the table in the form of ECCM and kinetic dmg resist mods.

I think this gets you value and equally important differentiation for each of the ships in this chain from T1 to Combat Recon to Force Recon.

Either way...as noted earlier in the thread I assume the final numbers will be coming out in a week or so and we'll see what's up.

I think it is safe to say that if someone is going to invest time into learning Recon Ships, there should be some benefit to doing so. If Recons are going to be balanced as the best in class at EWAR then it cannot be outclassed by a T1. The Force Recon's home is in BLOP fleets and as such is perfectly balanced for them with minimal tank and the briefness of those fights. Force Recon damage blows and it should blow because it is a utility and support ship. Take off the Racial Cruiser bonus that goes to damage and put a range bonus on them. While the Force Recon is a designed for small hit and run fights, the Combat Recon's are for full blown fleet fights. Make their bonuses revolve around EWAR and surviving. And if you are giving them damage bonuses, for heavens sake, don't restrict the damage type, are already unpopular.

On kinetic damage bnous; let's look at T2 resists profiles, shall we?

• Amarr: Primary resist type: Explosive. Secondary: Kinetic
• Minmatar: Primary: EM. Secondary: Thermal.
• Caldari: Primary: Thermal. Secondary: Kinetic.
• Gallente: Primary: Kinetic. Secondary: Thermal.

Kinetic and Thermal are the most resisted damage types for T2 ships. So giving a kinetic bonus to anything is a slap in the face. Do you ever see Gallente ships with thermal bonuses? Only on a Stealth Bomber, same as every other race.

On kinetic damage bnous; let's look at T2 resists profiles, shall we?

• Amarr: Primary resist type: Explosive. Secondary: Kinetic
• Minmatar: Primary: EM. Secondary: Thermal.
• Caldari: Primary: Thermal. Secondary: Kinetic.
• Gallente: Primary: Kinetic. Secondary: Thermal.

Kinetic and Thermal are the most resisted damage types for T2 ships. So giving a kinetic bonus to anything is a slap in the face. Do you ever see Gallente ships with thermal bonuses? Only on a Stealth Bomber, same as every other race.

Thats a pretty good point. You highlight why they should go with either a much higher kinetic damage buff or go back to DPS application buffs that allow for damage type selection.

On kinetic damage bnous; let's look at T2 resists profiles, shall we?

• Amarr: Primary resist type: Explosive. Secondary: Kinetic
• Minmatar: Primary: EM. Secondary: Thermal.
• Caldari: Primary: Thermal. Secondary: Kinetic.
• Gallente: Primary: Kinetic. Secondary: Thermal.

Kinetic and Thermal are the most resisted damage types for T2 ships. So giving a kinetic bonus to anything is a slap in the face. Do you ever see Gallente ships with thermal bonuses? Only on a Stealth Bomber, same as every other race.

On kinetic damage bnous; let's look at T2 resists profiles, shall we?

• Amarr: Primary resist type: Explosive. Secondary: Kinetic
• Minmatar: Primary: EM. Secondary: Thermal.
• Caldari: Primary: Thermal. Secondary: Kinetic.
• Gallente: Primary: Kinetic. Secondary: Thermal.

Kinetic and Thermal are the most resisted damage types for T2 ships. So giving a kinetic bonus to anything is a slap in the face. Do you ever see Gallente ships with thermal bonuses? Only on a Stealth Bomber, same as every other race.

I'd like to know more about the reason you chose this, of all things. You realize this is going to make them pretty overpowered in wormholes, right? You'll literally never see Combat Recons coming until they appear on grid.