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Zartrader	Posted - 2010.04.24 07:40:00 - [1501] Edited by: Zartrader on 24/04/2010 07:42:42 Haha some nobhead had to go and prove Godwin's law once again. I was waiting for that, got close a few times but someone managed it, well done. EDIT: To clarify 'Godwin's law applies especially to inappropriate, inordinate, or hyperbolic comparisons of other situations (or one's opponent) with **** or **s or their actions' Linkage
Boomershoot Caldari Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2010.04.24 07:41:00 - [1502] Originally by: Zartrader Haha some nobhead had to go and prove Godwin's law once again. Hope this don't mean the end of these posts. I really hope this thread to die alone, tho.
Zartrader	Posted - 2010.04.24 07:46:00 - [1503] Originally by: Boomershoot Originally by: Zartrader Haha some nobhead had to go and prove Godwin's law once again. Hope this don't mean the end of these posts. I really hope this thread to die alone, tho. Well CCP will continue farming these posts for Info then close when they are done. It's quite obvious anyone who cheats should get banned and that's that. All the mudslinging is pointless.
Boomershoot Caldari Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2010.04.24 07:49:00 - [1504] Originally by: Zartrader Originally by: Boomershoot Originally by: Zartrader Haha some nobhead had to go and prove Godwin's law once again. Hope this don't mean the end of these posts. I really hope this thread to die alone, tho. Well CCP will continue farming these posts for Info then close when they are done. It's quite obvious anyone who cheats should get banned and that's that. All the mudslinging is pointless. Yet i have to see a single bit of evidence in these posts that lead to ANY conclusion other than "Russian butthurt community wants to protect their farming bots with fabricated media"
Rakshasa Taisab Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Initiative Mercenaries	Posted - 2010.04.24 08:23:00 - [1505] Originally by: Boomershoot Too bad exploits are not creatred, but discovered. And too bad you're endorsing the use of an exploit. Reported. Too bad _VULNERABILITIES_ are discovered while exploits are created. Feel dumb now? Oh yes you do.
species2143	Posted - 2010.04.24 08:27:00 - [1506] Originally by: Rakshasa Taisab Originally by: Boomershoot Too bad exploits are not creatred, but discovered. And too bad you're endorsing the use of an exploit. Reported. Too bad _VULNERABILITIES_ are discovered while exploits are created. Feel dumb now? Oh yes you do. Dude, you've been trolled so hard... I bet I know how you feel now Signature removed not EVE related - Adida
Sellmewarez	Posted - 2010.04.24 08:28:00 - [1507] Nuke page 50 tbh
Yoshite McLulzypants Gallente People called Romanes they go the house	Posted - 2010.04.24 08:55:00 - [1508] Posting in a fantastic thread. Better than the OJ Simpson trial tbh. Can't wait to see how this will be dealt with. +1 would read again!
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.04.24 09:00:00 - [1509] Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 24/04/2010 09:02:18 Quote: How can them be "REGULAR" players if they don't do the most basic 101 of using a directional scanner? And yet use ships that have NO chance to escape, that is ships where using the directional scanner is vital? Coz they are regular and can't autospam direct scan every 20ms and react. Stop be fat troll and read thread from the start I am not trolling. People going in 0.0: - with battleships - without friends protecting their systems - refusing to use basic precautions like everyone else in case of no friends like leaving a scout at gate. are not REGULAR. They are bad noobs who think to be unique snowflakes outside of the PvP rules. They deserve to lose what they got. It's 0.0 not hi sec. Furthermore they RELY on a QUASI-EXPLOIT (logoffski) and not on local, to save their way slow to warp ships. Most impressive feat has been to immediately break the EULA and crack the client without a secound thought, instead of playing like a team and deny further aggressions. This is why I am "trolling" here, because people immediately resorted to EULA break instead of playing like normal customers. Imagine if in RL someone breaks your car and you (knowing the police won't kill and torture him) immediately take a gun and shot him down "because the police will be bland, the judge incompetent". Quote: In any real world court of law all this evidence would land all these people in jail. In any real court, there's a super-partes judge. Here there's CCP. Yes, exactly those who are being flamed in every possible way since 40+ pages. Accusing the judge and vandalizing his house to convince him of how he has to decide and NOW would also land some other people in jail. Quote: People don't tend to use direct scanners when there are no hostiles in local, or the local is simply empty, there is no reason to do so. So, someone is on a killing spree and known to abuse the system yet they keep acting like before? And instead of acting like everyone else do against pirates (form intel channels, go in groups of 4-5 then start reporting the guy while you CAN defend yourself even if he cheats) they take it as excuse to hack the client? Quote: If not paying attention to local is so critical to survival then why would you need a cheat to kill a player at the keyboard? It's two different issues. The former has already been discussed enough, the latter is an illegal practice invented to combat something aptly named "logoffski" (notice how even the traditional name points at the known users of it). The logoffski is another thing that should be classed as exploit but cannot because it cannot be proven. So I suppose one day someone got driven to crime to fight those who use it. Curiously, those who hacked the game to prove his crime also chose to act exactly like Monkey: fight crime with crime and two wrongs don't make 1 right. Quote: Then some sshole uses an exploit or hack to destroy the items that I purchased with CASH and takes those items. It is THIEF and WILL BE DEALT WITH. You don't purchase anything, since by the EULA everything is CCP's property. You purchase ability to log in, that is a time slot on the game, which you can turn into money. Nothing becomes yours except ability to log in. This is also why RMT is fought: RMTers convince others that CCP's property is theirs and therefore they can sell CCP's property factually committing a real life* theft of virtual property. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Oriental express	Posted - 2010.04.24 09:41:00 - [1510] I hope all of the cheaters are banned. Simple looking forward to the update on the situation ccp
Ranka Mei Caldari	Posted - 2010.04.24 09:42:00 - [1511] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha People going in 0.0: - with battleships - without friends protecting their systems - refusing to use basic precautions like everyone else in case of no friends like leaving a scout at gate. are not REGULAR. They are bad noobs who think to be unique snowflakes outside of the PvP rules. They deserve to lose what they got. It's 0.0 not hi sec. Been hearing this rationale a lot: they deserve what they have coming because (pick your choice) A) they're just lowlife macro-miners, B) they're just stupid noobs and therefore deserve to get the exploit-axe. Thing of it is, though, you're not supposed to cheat; you're not supposed to hack the client to kill friend or foe, noob or expert. What part of "Don't!" find people so hard to understand after 50 pages? Quote: Most impressive feat has been to immediately break the EULA and crack the client without a secound thought, instead of playing like a team and deny further aggressions. This is why I am "trolling" here, because people immediately resorted to EULA break instead of playing like normal customers. Wait! I think you got this deal worked backwards! :) Enter Robin 'Monkeyman' Hood with, as reported, an exploit to swiftly kill alleged macro-miners (which turned out to be regular folk who launched a complaint; go figure). The victims in this concocted a proof-of-concept and demonstrated how it could be done on the test server. Personally not something I would have done, as, therewith, they're also showing to know, and have done, a wee more than the EULA allows. CCP will deal with whomever they feel needs dealing with, no doubt. I just want members of PL to stop using an exploit on the real EVE server, where the real game is played, and where it really matters. -- Gorgeous, delicious, deculture!
Gnulpie Minmatar Miner Tech	Posted - 2010.04.24 10:31:00 - [1512] I am pis*d off with this sort of sht! It ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS happens. Might it be buggy 10/10 complexes, pos material exploits, bots, client hacks and and and... This is going on for YEARS! Cut stuff like new eve gate and FIX THIS GAME INSTEAD!!
Thatkidnamedrocky Gallente	Posted - 2010.04.24 10:37:00 - [1513] Originally by: Gnulpie I am pis*d off with this sort of sht! It ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS happens. Might it be buggy 10/10 complexes, pos material exploits, bots, client hacks and and and... This is going on for YEARS! Cut stuff like new eve gate and FIX THIS GAME INSTEAD!! woowwowowow lets not bring eve gate into this lets just get the bug fixed and keep eve gate
E6o5	Posted - 2010.04.24 10:38:00 - [1514] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha on 24/04/2010 09:02:18 Quote: How can them be "REGULAR" players if they don't do the most basic 101 of using a directional scanner? And yet use ships that have NO chance to escape, that is ships where using the directional scanner is vital? Coz they are regular and can't autospam direct scan every 20ms and react. Stop be fat troll and read thread from the start I am not trolling. People going in 0.0: - with battleships - without friends protecting their systems - refusing to use basic precautions like everyone else in case of no friends like leaving a scout at gate. are not REGULAR. They are bad noobs who think to be unique snowflakes outside of the PvP rules. They deserve to lose what they got. It's 0.0 not hi sec. Furthermore they RELY on a QUASI-EXPLOIT (logoffski) and not on local, to save their way slow to warp ships. you can get into systems via wormholes, so it wouldn't be sufficient to have scouts at the gates but you would need to constantly scan for new whs and bring scouts there ... also i assume this exploit could be used anywhere. thus, if used by one side of a high sec war it would give that side an unfair advantage outside the rules of the game probes or d-scan could help you to figure out that someones is closing in on you. however, in a highly populated high sec system this wouldn't help much.
debbie harrio	Posted - 2010.04.24 10:58:00 - [1515] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Quote: absolute load of tosh because I actually haven't grasped what this is all about but I'll gob off anyway like the idiot that I am. Why would anyone use directional scanner when local is empty you fool. May I suggest you actually read the thread instead of spouting junk.
Jinghua R.u.S.H. - Fanatics Ultima Rati0	Posted - 2010.04.24 11:02:00 - [1516] Originally by: debbie harrio Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Quote: absolute load of tosh because I actually haven't grasped what this is all about but I'll gob off anyway like the idiot that I am. Why would anyone use directional scanner when local is empty you fool. May I suggest you actually read the thread instead of spouting junk. Useless. He is just trolling here trying to cover PL exploiters.
dumpertt	Posted - 2010.04.24 11:02:00 - [1517] Originally by: Raivi I find it very funny that the people from eve-ru seem to think that I can't read what they say about me if they do it in Russian on a different website. The fact that whatever phrase they're using in Russian get translated as "the pretty boy of the square" by google makes me laugh as well. Sorry my soviet brothers, but I'm not going to get baited by a plan you hatch on a public forum that you expect me not to read. Glad to see that CCP is on this. Hopefully they'll have a hotfix soon. If any devs or GMs involved in the investigation are interested in a detailed explanation on how to do the logon trap right just give me a shout and I'll cooperate fully. so, what do we have here... 1. we know some monkeys can kill 4 ratters in 4 different systems in 20 minutes. 2. we don't know a super simple logon trap technique that allows to set up a perfect logon trap in 4 minutes - "worst case scenario", heh? 3. we know there is "no-local-i-am-a-monkey" exploit. 4. we know about Occam's razor - Non sunt entia multiplicanda praeter necessitatem. so, some pretty guy claims he knows a perfect logon trap technique. Great, i say - show me how you can catch me in 4 minutes ("worst case scenario", yeah?) w/o even knowing the exact belt in the system. some pretty guy from pl ignored. i repeat an ask for the test, and another guy from this thread proposed himself for that test too. i don't even want to know about detail of this super-secret technique, i say, just show me - you can do that, right? right? some pretty guy from pl ignored. so, i ask on eve-ru for some help - let's ask that pretty guy from pl to test his great technique - just because i suppose there is more than 1 monkey in pathetic legion. and know what? some pretty guy from pl really did notice that! "IT'S A TRAP!" - he cryes and run to eve-o. so. the secret technique that allows to set up 4 successful logon traps in 20 minutes obviously exists, that's just my fault Raivi don't want to test it ONCE. just one another coincedence. right? PS just to make it clear. "красавчик из пл" = "some pretty guy from pl". we usually use "красавчик" about someone who pretends to be awesome. not offensive. and for google translator: не прекращайте верить держись за чувство люди фонарный столб
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.04.24 11:08:00 - [1518] Quote: Why would anyone use directional scanner when local is empty you fool. May I suggest you actually read the thread instead of spouting junk. You should actually read "1) counter the exploit by playing carefully and with best practices like a law-less territory would suggest to do 2) In the meanwhile file complaints and petitions with CCP personnel and act with exceptional CCP permission to study, reverse engineer or whatever" That is, if they think there's an exploit, then they should step up and consider 0.0 == WH space till the exploit is not closed. And in the meanwhile take the steps to have the guy banned. Quote: Useless. He is just trolling here trying to cover PL exploiters. IQ dropping lower by the pages count? Quote: Monkey and everyone even vaguely helping him should be permabanned immediately as tangible and irrefutable proof is found and by officially certified personnel If this is "covering PL exploiters" then I am a yellow ladybug. How can you EVER think that a (former, quit months ago as I can't play enough) IT alliance member can cover someone even marginally involved with kartoon... - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.04.24 11:09:00 - [1519] Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 24/04/2010 11:13:25 Originally by: debbie harrio Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha absolute load of tosh because I actually haven't grasped what this is all about but I'll gob off anyway like the idiot that I am. Why would anyone use directional scanner when local is empty you fool. May I suggest you actually read the thread instead of spouting junk. Vaerah's simply trolling. Pay no mind to him. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Steve Celeste Caldari Inglorious-Basterds	Posted - 2010.04.24 11:12:00 - [1520] Just post it in the YT comments so we can level the playing field.
Jinghua R.u.S.H. - Fanatics Ultima Rati0	Posted - 2010.04.24 11:15:00 - [1521] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha IQ dropping lower by the pages count? Exactly. Not mine though. Now keep on trolling.
SetrakDark DarkCorp Holdings	Posted - 2010.04.24 11:18:00 - [1522] Occam's razor has to be one of the most misused and misunderstood concepts.
zljuka	Posted - 2010.04.24 11:30:00 - [1523] awesome thread. Most funny thing awaits us in case Monkeysphere is banned for RMT and not for using exploit:) By now he should have enormous wallet/assets. I suggest CCP investigates in this direction first
dumpertt	Posted - 2010.04.24 11:33:00 - [1524] Originally by: SetrakDark Occam's razor has to be one of the most misused and misunderstood concepts. that's why i call all that **** "coincedence" and don't really wait for a single ban. still - right now i'm pretty sure about monkey's space magic.
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.04.24 11:39:00 - [1525] Quote: Vaerah's simply trolling. Pay no mind to him. I am suggesting legitimate and CCP sanctioned ways both to counter the exploit and to properly address the suspect exploiter(s) to CCP. If this is trolling, well be my guest. - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Unity Love Caldari Dissonance Corp	Posted - 2010.04.24 11:57:00 - [1526] boatsandhoes
Prt Scr	Posted - 2010.04.24 12:06:00 - [1527] I am a known paraniod, but is it possable that 'the monkey' is actualy a ccp fix to the 'bot exploit' and not an actual player, as they never say how an exploit is fixed just that it has been. If all the bots are killed off the owners have less isk to buy gametime with and will actualy have to spend real money to get their eve fix. It was probably designed by the same dev. who had the idea to make eve addictive.
MatrixSkye Mk2 Minmatar	Posted - 2010.04.24 12:10:00 - [1528] Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2 on 24/04/2010 12:16:23 Originally by: Prt Scr I am a known paraniod, but is it possable that 'the monkey' is actualy a ccp fix to the 'bot exploit' and not an actual player, as they never say how an exploit is fixed just that it has been. If all the bots are killed off the owners have less isk to buy gametime with and will actualy have to spend real money to get their eve fix. It was probably designed by the same dev. who had the idea to make eve addictive. I guess it's possible. But he's beginning to kill players at the keyboard (ie not bots). So he seems to be a bit sloppy. Also, that would necessarily implicate a whole alliance, in this case Pandemic Legion, because when **** goes down as it has, it will stain a whole alliance in the process. Grief a PVP'er. Run a mission today!
Maxsim Goratiev Gallente Imperial Tau Syndicate	Posted - 2010.04.24 12:37:00 - [1529] FIX it! And ban the ****ers.
Ellatan Deruimte Surreal corp Stain Empire	Posted - 2010.04.24 12:45:00 - [1530] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Quote: Vaerah's simply trolling. Pay no mind to him. I am suggesting legitimate and CCP sanctioned ways both to counter the exploit and to properly address the suspect exploiter(s) to CCP. If this is trolling, well be my guest. The only proper way to counter the exploit is too report it to CCP in detail and provide any and all information they might need to fix it. That was already done, no details about exploit have been disclosed to the public. The Monkeysphere was petitioned to CCP 30 times before the discovery of the exploit, they didn't believe those petitions and dismissed them. We managed to show them and the entire EVE community that the exploit Monkeysphere was using is very real. In addition since he is a programmer by occupation, I'm sure he has enough technical knowledge to accomplish it.

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