The day every null sec player is not aloud by any means starting by NPC or Alt corporations to have full industrial organisations in high sec, mission corporations, shipping corporations, trading alts, High sec research/invention POS's and more funky stuff, then yep it will be time to change high sec.
But as far as every major null alliance has hundreds/thousands of those in high sec and don't stop crying about high sec they will always be laughed at for not being serious for one second.

Yet we are presented with those LOL YOU MUST HAVE 32 K EHP OR YOU PLAY WRONG LOL fittings and they use a MAPC. End of MLU.

In the meanwhile I don't recall EVER having had to fit a MLU in any of my other PvP or PvE ships. And I have loads.

Just slapping more EHP is not the answer. All that does is make it easier for players to AFK and bot there way through the game. CCP needs to totally look at barges and exhumers and make them work using existing design parameters and tweaking them as need.

Add a little more PU and CPU, and maybe another rig slot. Then make sure that people wanting to make use of these ships understand that they are industrial ships - not ******* armor clad machines of war. That you as the miner have a choice....either you fit the ship to give it armor to protect it - or you give it better yield capabilities. If you choose to neglect the risk and go for yield...you chose to take the risk - you chose.

Make it quite clear the purpose and use of the ships. If players do not want to listen than it it their fault.

This ideal that mining barges are going to have better yield and armor like a cruiser or BS is - BS. CCP is going to make AFK mining and botting surge like never before. The ones this will hurt are the players that do actually stay at their computers and play the game as intended.

This will also have a huge impact on mineral and ore prices - and make mining even more of a chore than it all ready is. There is a solution - just not the way CCP intends to do it.

GǪand the profit is in highsec. So that's hardly relevant, now is it?

In the real world the citizens would complain about the pirates making commodities more expensive and the Navy would take action.

Don't give me the nonsense that since capsuleers are immortal it wouldn't matter what the Navy did either. Some Navy snipers and a head shot every time a ganker showed his face in a station and gankers would be playing Groundhog Day every day.

But we were discussing Eve and not real life...do continue...

"let's punish people for playing in nullsec"

Also, I'd like to think this thread - which has giving many carebears their first taste of tears - will go on to inspire all sorts of crazy shenanigans as they desperately try to feed the new-found addiction...

I just don't understand why as a group, why these 'intelligent' miners are such an extreme minority.

Is it just blind 'Goon hatred?'
Or are these people who lost an Exhumer 3 weeks ago (or 2 years ago in the case of Krixtal Icefluxor) - and rather than learn from it, they just get mad and lose sight of the forest for the trees?

You're reading backwards, try again and once again try to answer correctly instead of rabble the same old story you're pushing out now for a couple days.

Mining barges and ganking mechanic were clearly not balanced, it's not me who says it but some Dev knowing this game more decently then you or I do, balance will hit and now you'll have to put some effort instead of doing brainless stuff.
There's no problem with this, the only problem is your math knowledge and ability to recognise something wrong is going now in the right direction. You used and abused of a badly implemented stuff, they're about to correct it, you should be happy for your game.

And your bot argument you know where you can put it right? -I'm sure Shreegs gets a mad laugh at each post he reads because of this buff we're going to see more bots, jesus how can you guys be that dumb?

Yet we are presented with those LOL YOU MUST HAVE 32 K EHP OR YOU PLAY WRONG LOL fittings and they use a MAPC.

Then the answer is the same your ilk has always given to everybody else: adapt or quit.

I just don't understand why as a group, why these 'intelligent' miners are such an extreme minority.

Is it just blind 'Goon hatred?'
Or are these people who lost an Exhumer 3 weeks ago (or 2 years ago in the case of Krixtal Icefluxor) - and rather than learn from it, they just get mad and lose sight of the forest for the trees?

Umm...piracy happens everyday. Seizure of physical goods. Kidnapping. These things are very real and as is evidenced by the real world, they are nigh impossible to stop when you consider the size of the oceans. These things also occur on land, everyday. Navy ships can only be in so many places at one time. Space is infinitely vaster.

If a player wants near instant and swift protection and justice from would be pirates and gankers, that should come at a COST. Not be free of charge, included with subscription, please go about your business sir. If there was some "Platinum Concord Protection Plan" bought and sold in Jita, then that's one thing. But there isn't.

GǪwhich are a response to the GÇ£but it's meaningless, they'll bring moreGÇ¥ argument. It's not something you have to do GÇö it's an escalation in response to their escalation that disproves a completely different myth about the tankability of Hulks.

Answer to what? It has nothing to do with what you quoted. In fact, the issues caused by this fundamentally flawed concept of cost-balancing were fundamentally flawed exactly because there was no adaptation to it, and that's why they had to actually fix it by using some real balance measures.

When people tell miners to adapt or quit, it's because there are ways of adapting. The miners generally refuse to and instead argue about cost and other irrelevancies.

if you think nobody fits MAPCs on pvp ships you've probably never flown a ship in PvP

almost every t1/t2/faction frigate fitting has an MAPC

What, 'crazy shenanigans' like whining even harder to CCP for more beneficial game mechanic changes and insane EHP buffs?

As an expert in 'tears' - must be some strange new definition of 'harvesting tears' that I am unaware of.
I thought that tears were something you earned 'in game', not through the petition process or the forums....

yeah but at least your mining bots can operate in peace :shobon:

Exhumers? Need a MAPC just to not suck complete balls.

What, 'crazy shenanigans' like whining even harder to CCP for more beneficial game mechanic changes and insane EHP buffs?

As an expert in 'tears' - must be some strange new definition of 'harvesting tears' that I am unaware of.
I thought that tears were something you earned 'in game', not through the petition process or the forums....

Your ideal of balance means you want 0 risk in high-sec so you can AFK mine to your hearts content.

Exhumers? Need a DCU II just to not suck complete balls.

a tornado is a pretty expensive way to kill a hulk

it seems that you're angry because hulks are able to die in hisec???????

We should argue about the cost of supercaps .... at least that makes them rare compared to untanked.badly tanked hulks...