use both in tandem and you get

... an useless brick. May as well fit lasers on a damnation.

yeah nobody bots in hisec

The efforts against bots come in the form of banning bots. Also it's entirely possible and probable that a number of non-botting players will take advantage of these changes. Despite their presence, bot are a non issue in this argument.

yeah nobody bots in hisec

even though many of the hypocrites in this thread want local removed from nullsec because of bots lmao

even though many of the hypocrites in this thread want local removed from nullsec because of bots lmao

and the issue isn't even bots, it's further enabling AFK mining

No, local should removed from every sec because it gives more free intel than WoW will ever give in their game.

even though many of the hypocrites in this thread want local removed from nullsec because of bots lmao

The best thing about the barge/exhumer changes is that low end minerals are going to be hilariously low meaning for hilariously cheap supers.

I can't ******* wait :3

Your opinion. Not absolute.

You know that same Dev was an EvE player (a Goon none the less).

Care to share a DCUII fitting that lets a Mack survive 2-3 catalysts?

No I don't agree.

I can fit 2-3 BCUs in my caldari ships *without losing a single inch of tank*

i remember when a couple of dudes in frigates kept a proteus tackled long enough for us to arrive and murder it

clearly two dudes in 500k isk ships deciding the fate of a 2bn isk ship is totally unfair

You view miners with contempt when they make rational fitting choices. Amazing.

It seems like you have it all figured out then - if you earn more by going 'max yield' because you consider ganking to be a rare event - not to warrant a tank - by all means. Why do you even consider ganking a problem then?

The funny thing about tanking up a barge - generally the owner will never know precisely how many times its saved his ass, simply by passively causing a ganker to move along and find easier targets.

more like "a ship that still mines better than literally anything else in the game"

even though many of the hypocrites in this thread want local removed from nullsec because of bots lmao

a better solution would have been to give hulks the ability to fit better tanks than what they are currently capable of (say, 50-60k EHP without gang bonuses) at the expense of yield, rather than giving them 15k ehp without a single hardener fit (there is literally no other ship in the game short of battleships with those HP numbers)

in any case, even with a tank fit hulks were still capable of out-mining almost every other ship in the game, save for a yield-fit covetor, which still lacks the utility of a gigantic cargo hold

because the risk/reward balance in the game is totally skewed towards nullsec and not hisec ahahaha

vv's not great with numbers

could you make this point in voodoo marks on a graph?

what?! what are you pretending now? I want local removed in null sec because it should never be used as free intel against the cloaked.. this has nothing what so ever to do with bots, the use of which is against the rules. There are some who shout about AFK cloakers (as if they are problems).. that wouldn't be people who want local removed.

because the risk/reward balance in the game is totally skewed towards nullsec and not hisec ahahaha

No, it's pretty much a fact. The problems they complain about would go away with a few simple adjustments.

You know that same Dev was an EvE player (a Goon none the less).

Care to not move the goalposts quite so much? DCII + two invulns makes you safe from 2; the right system takes care of the third.

That's quite incorrect as well. You've lost many inches of tank by doing so.

I'm sure you can mine in null and for much higher isk/h then high sec, yes the risk is higher but that's not the real problem.
This doesn't stop mining bots from mining in null and *swift* kiss the POS, how bigger is the risk then?

Again, low risk low income, pick your 100kEHP skiff put it in the high sec belt and do your homework, your accountability or your nex book whatever crap you want to do. Some people just mine in groups and have fun on coms while doing some other stuff, what are you proposing to this people?
-you're saying they should not play the game?-unless you pay their sub you have nothing to say about this
-you say they play badly the game they pay for? -how much does this affect you and if really does that much, pick a couple ships and go gank them, problem solved.


And I really think the cost for killing those new mining barges is not a problem for goonswarm, PL, -A-, RA whatever, does it?

And CONCORD should be removed in hisec because you should never get free defense by NPCs.

And I really think the cost for killing those new mining barges is not a problem for goonswarm, PL, -A-, RA whatever, does it?

and the issue isn't even bots, it's further enabling AFK mining

And I really think the cost for killing those new mining barges is not a problem for goonswarm, PL, -A-, RA whatever, does it?

I hear you can anchor towers in asteroid belts.

Why are you one of those terribles who fit a plate in their shield tanked Drake or Raven lows?