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Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
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Posted - 2013.04.10 09:36:00 -
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SMT008 wrote:Good changes indeed !
I think the sweet spot has been hit for the Hyperion and the Dominix.
I'm not entirely sure about the Megathron.
I can see you changed it to 4 medslots and 8 lowslots.
Considering it's an attack battleship, I think it doesnt truly need 8 lowslots (which is something a front-line brawler would want, a skirmisher doesn't really need 8 lows).
I would have stayed with the previous 5-7 setup as it allowed either more flexibility with armor setups, as well as a possible shield-tanking version.
I won't whine and mash on the table because of it, but I'd like the 5-7 setup back. This along with the more "gun focused" thing would do literally wonders.
Exaclty, the previous change to the Mega was damn great. It could be a very versatile boat. Meh now it is same as Hyperion. Pls roll back the mega changes.
Btw Hyperion is amazing now. Maybe a slight nerf to the Geddon would make the new changes to the domi perfect also. LF CSM8 candidate. Are you what lowsec needs? --->-átinyurl.com/afaawrb
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SMT008
SnaiLs aNd FroGs
540
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Posted - 2013.04.10 09:37:00 -
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I'm not a fan of every ship having the room for a heavy neut, considering how strong it already is, with his tracking bonus and general IN YOUR FACE weapon system.
Prometheus Exhental talked quite a lot about the Megathron and how the 8-5-6 setup was alright. A 7-5-7 setup with more focus on guns would be excellent |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
3047
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Posted - 2013.04.10 09:38:00 -
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Zloco Crendraven wrote:
Exaclty, the previous change to the Mega was damn great. It could be a very versatile boat. Meh now it is same as Hyperion. Pls roll back the mega changes.
Btw Hyperion is amazing now. Maybe a slight nerf to the Geddon would make the new changes to the domi perfect also.
How is a ship with 8 lows (capable of fitting a solid tank) comparable to a ship with 5 mids and 6 lows (incapable of fitting any form of respectable tank without completely sacrificing a rack)? TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
XDMR
RED SQUAD Drunk 'n' Disorderly
19
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Posted - 2013.04.10 09:39:00 -
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With the uncalled rokh nerf incoming and the new Hype slot layout.... I think i found a new favorite ship! Some people say i fly Rokh... |
Moretic
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.04.10 09:40:00 -
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I just noticed I have not been reading the op well enough...
the new domi is fullfilling my requests :d drone damage, optimal and tracking :D ( somehow I missed the optimal at first glance ) its also getting more pw, only thing missing is drone control range which is an issue ( I still want my 6 guns :D ) |
AlexKent
Silver Guardians Fidelas Constans
6
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Posted - 2013.04.10 09:41:00 -
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Very nice changes, good job CCP! |
Bouh Revetoile
TIPIAKS
273
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Posted - 2013.04.10 09:41:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:How is a ship with 8 lows (capable of fitting a solid tank) comparable to a ship with 5 mids and 6 lows (incapable of fitting any form of respectable tank without completely sacrificing a rack)? You see, this is an amarr bias, or how to give a lot more value to low slot than to mid slots. |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
252
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Posted - 2013.04.10 09:42:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:GallowsCalibrator wrote:Omnathious Deninard wrote:CCP Rise wrote:New versions of Hyperion and Megathron posted in the OP - let me know what you guys think. Do you plan on actually making the Dominix a decent drone ship or do you prefer the one that is inferior to the Armageddon. The new Dominix is going to be a pretty goddamn amazing drone ship, that range and tracking bonus is immensely powerful. It is overshadowed by the Armageddon, this is the same thing that happened when the Algos was made, the Dragoon was a better ship. Now they are fairly balanced.
Say what?
The two ships have very different roles, and don't overshadow one another at all.
The Dominix is all about flexibility now; those free-choice highs and range/tracking bonused drones gives it a lot of options and flexibility. You don't KNOW what a Dominix is going to do to you.
The Armageddon is a much more focused ship; stay close, wreck cap, inflict pain. (Also, of minor note, the Armageddon in PvP to take best advantage of those range bonused neuts is probably going to have to stump out for a faction point to keep things locked down.)
The Algos/Dragoon comparison is invalid, due to the fact that such things as small sentries don't exist, there are less tactical options available.
Tl;dr: they both rock, :frogout: |
Zloco Crendraven
BALKAN EXPRESS
302
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Posted - 2013.04.10 09:43:00 -
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Akirei Scytale wrote:Zloco Crendraven wrote:
Exaclty, the previous change to the Mega was damn great. It could be a very versatile boat. Meh now it is same as Hyperion. Pls roll back the mega changes.
Btw Hyperion is amazing now. Maybe a slight nerf to the Geddon would make the new changes to the domi perfect also.
How is a ship with 8 lows (capable of fitting a solid tank) comparable to a ship with 5 mids and 6 lows (incapable of fitting any form of respectable tank without completely sacrificing a rack)?
2 plates 2 eanm and a dc? Is not a solid tank? LF CSM8 candidate. Are you what lowsec needs? --->-átinyurl.com/afaawrb
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Shpenat
Pafos Technologies
36
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Posted - 2013.04.10 09:43:00 -
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Cool changes. Maybe the hype is bit op now, but since it hardly can be used in fleets I dont think it matters that much.
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baltec1
Bat Country
5892
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Posted - 2013.04.10 09:44:00 -
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Bouh Revetoile wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:How is a ship with 8 lows (capable of fitting a solid tank) comparable to a ship with 5 mids and 6 lows (incapable of fitting any form of respectable tank without completely sacrificing a rack)? You see, this is an amarr bias, or how to give a lot more value to low slot than to mid slots.
Its an amour tanking ship, it goes without saying that the low slots are more important than the mids. |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
3047
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Posted - 2013.04.10 09:45:00 -
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Zloco Crendraven wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:Zloco Crendraven wrote:
Exaclty, the previous change to the Mega was damn great. It could be a very versatile boat. Meh now it is same as Hyperion. Pls roll back the mega changes.
Btw Hyperion is amazing now. Maybe a slight nerf to the Geddon would make the new changes to the domi perfect also.
How is a ship with 8 lows (capable of fitting a solid tank) comparable to a ship with 5 mids and 6 lows (incapable of fitting any form of respectable tank without completely sacrificing a rack)? 2 plates 2 eanm and a dc? Is not a solid tank?
Not compared to other BS. 120k buffer is the norm. Rokhs can hit 130k without sacrifices. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
Gilbaron
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
833
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Posted - 2013.04.10 09:45:00 -
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buying hyperions now, that looks great, the old role, but seriously pimped We are recruiting german-speaking PVP players, contact me :)
Malcanis - CSM 8 |
Bouh Revetoile
TIPIAKS
273
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Posted - 2013.04.10 09:46:00 -
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Zloco Crendraven wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:Zloco Crendraven wrote:
Exaclty, the previous change to the Mega was damn great. It could be a very versatile boat. Meh now it is same as Hyperion. Pls roll back the mega changes.
Btw Hyperion is amazing now. Maybe a slight nerf to the Geddon would make the new changes to the domi perfect also.
How is a ship with 8 lows (capable of fitting a solid tank) comparable to a ship with 5 mids and 6 lows (incapable of fitting any form of respectable tank without completely sacrificing a rack)? 2 plates 2 eanm and a dc? Is not a solid tank? If there is no room for 2 damage mod and 5 tanking mod, your ship does not exists for these people. |
kyrieee
Snuff Box Urine Alliance
110
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Posted - 2013.04.10 09:46:00 -
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I think 75mbit bandwidth on the Mega is slightly too little, it could do with 100mbit. The point of giving it a RoF bonus was presumably to increase the gank factor a bit, but losing two heavy drones probably takes it right back down. I would have to do the math later, but that's just my reaction to it. Yeah you can fit an extra magstab now but if you just do slightly more damage with an extra dmgmod fitted while losing a high you haven't really gained anything. |
baltec1
Bat Country
5892
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Posted - 2013.04.10 09:46:00 -
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Zloco Crendraven wrote:
2 plates 2 eanm and a dc? Is not a solid tank?
It now has more options such as more speed, agility, resistance to jamming, more firepower, more tank ect ect.
Its a great change. |
Martin0
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
96
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Posted - 2013.04.10 09:47:00 -
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Megathron with 2 plates , dcu, 2 resistance plating and 3 magnetic field stab with a rof bonus... how much dps will it have?
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Lunaleil Fournier
StarFleet Enterprises Red Alliance
23
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Posted - 2013.04.10 09:47:00 -
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Zloco Crendraven wrote: Exaclty, the previous change to the Mega was damn great. It could be a very versatile boat. Meh now it is same as Hyperion. Pls roll back the mega changes.
Btw Hyperion is amazing now. Maybe a slight nerf to the Geddon would make the new changes to the domi perfect also.
8 lows is what an armor tanking battleship should have. Especially one focused on hybrid damage. Trying to give an armor tanker the ability to fit a bad shield tank like the previous version was trying to accomplish isn't the way the mega should be looked at.
4 mids is perfect - MWD + MJD + Cap booster + pilot choice. The tracking bonus eliminates the need for a tracking computer. The 7/4/8 slot layout is perfect for this ship, and you can fly the Hyperion or Domi for a more versatile mid slot allocation. |
Alticus C Bear
University of Caille Gallente Federation
140
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Posted - 2013.04.10 09:47:00 -
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Pretty much perfect. Very good troll with the previous stats.
Domi even got more grid |
GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
252
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Posted - 2013.04.10 09:48:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Zloco Crendraven wrote:
2 plates 2 eanm and a dc? Is not a solid tank?
It now has more options such as more speed, agility, resistance to jamming, more firepower, more tank ect ect. Its a great change.
Yeah, all the Gallente ships have a pretty nice, distinct feel about them now.
(I want to EFT-warrior a max-speed, max-gank blaster mega for comedy) |
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GallowsCalibrator
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
252
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Posted - 2013.04.10 09:49:00 -
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kyrieee wrote:I think 75mbit bandwidth on the Mega is slightly too little, it could do with 100mbit. The point of giving it a RoF bonus was presumably to increase the gank factor a bit, but losing two heavy drones probably takes it right back down. I would have to do the math later, but that's just my reaction to it. Yeah you can fit an extra magstab now but if you just do slightly more damage with an extra dmgmod fitted while losing a high you haven't really gained anything.
I'd consider the Mega's drones as more utility now at this point; this thing has purity of purpose. Rush in, blow the crap out of people, get out. |
SMT008
SnaiLs aNd FroGs
542
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Posted - 2013.04.10 09:52:00 -
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BobFromMarketing wrote:"Man I sure wish my Hyperion could use more drones in exchange less turret slots and keep the worthless active rep bonus" - No one ever.
Drones apply their DPS even if your target orbits at 500m.
Which helps with the damage application.
Less turret slots along with a bigger bonus means less cap needs, less CPU/PWG needs.
7H for 6 turrets means you get to fit a smartbomb on it without sacrificing DPS (Think : No more ECM drones on me !). Either that or a neut.
With the changes proposed in the OP, the Hyperion is a solid Active-tanking armor Battleship. Of course, Active tanking is still active tanking and will be defeated by blobs yada yada. But at least it can do what it is supposed to do efficiently, which is very good.
Quote:Its an amour tanking ship, it goes without saying that the low slots are more important than the mids.
The Machariel is an armour tanking ship, if you follow this path.
The Megathron becomes an Attack Battleship. Ie, a "fast" battleship that can still take a pounding.
It doesn't need 8 lowslots. That would bring him to ridiculous levels of tanking that are completely unneeded for an attack battleship.
However, 5 medslots would bring enough flexibility to either fit more tackle, fit a MJD (There goes the skirmish part) or fit an ECCM/TrackingCompter/Sensorbooster.
7 - 5 - 7 > 8 - 4 - 8 |
Bouh Revetoile
TIPIAKS
273
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Posted - 2013.04.10 09:52:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Its an amour tanking ship, it goes without saying that the low slots are more important than the mids. Armour is not everything in life. Sometimes, ECCM save your life more than a 1600mm plate. Sometimes, a web allow you to kill your target instead of being killed by it. Sometimes, a cap booster allow you to fire your guns instead of sitting defenseless. Sometimes, a MJD allow you to escape instead of dying to the blob. Sometimes, EWAR ruin the day of your ennemy in a lot more reliable way than pure firepower.
And soon, TC will be better than TE... |
Rukhsana Uxor
Legio Astorum
1
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Posted - 2013.04.10 09:52:00 -
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Pretty nice work CCP! New Mega and Hyper looks good. Amor rep bonus still useless in fleet fight. Will you think about to give armor rep bonus one more function - increase armor rep recived? |
Omnathious Deninard
Extrinsic Operations
835
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Posted - 2013.04.10 09:52:00 -
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Alticus C Bear wrote:Domi even got more grid Didn't notice that part, but it could still use a control range bonus and some more drone bay. Ideas For Drone Improvement Updated 11/30/12Catastrophic Uprising is Recruiting |
baltec1
Bat Country
5892
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Posted - 2013.04.10 09:53:00 -
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GallowsCalibrator wrote:kyrieee wrote:I think 75mbit bandwidth on the Mega is slightly too little, it could do with 100mbit. The point of giving it a RoF bonus was presumably to increase the gank factor a bit, but losing two heavy drones probably takes it right back down. I would have to do the math later, but that's just my reaction to it. Yeah you can fit an extra magstab now but if you just do slightly more damage with an extra dmgmod fitted while losing a high you haven't really gained anything. I'd consider the Mega's drones as more utility now at this point; this thing has purity of purpose. Rush in, blow the crap out of people, get out.
Its very rare that I will bring 5 heavies to a fight anyway. I find it much more useful to have a range of light, med, ECM and armour rep drones with me. |
BobFromMarketing
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
36
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Posted - 2013.04.10 09:53:00 -
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Zloco Crendraven wrote:Akirei Scytale wrote:Zloco Crendraven wrote:
Exaclty, the previous change to the Mega was damn great. It could be a very versatile boat. Meh now it is same as Hyperion. Pls roll back the mega changes.
Btw Hyperion is amazing now. Maybe a slight nerf to the Geddon would make the new changes to the domi perfect also.
How is a ship with 8 lows (capable of fitting a solid tank) comparable to a ship with 5 mids and 6 lows (incapable of fitting any form of respectable tank without completely sacrificing a rack)? 2 plates 2 eanm and a dc? Is not a solid tank? Sure it is if you want to do 100 dps. |
Bouh Revetoile
TIPIAKS
273
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Posted - 2013.04.10 09:55:00 -
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SMT008 wrote:BobFromMarketing wrote:"Man I sure wish my Hyperion could use more drones in exchange less turret slots and keep the worthless active rep bonus" - No one ever.
Drones apply their DPS even if your target orbits at 500m. Which helps with the damage application. Less turret slots along with a bigger bonus means less cap needs, less CPU/PWG needs. 7H for 6 turrets means you get to fit a smartbomb on it without sacrificing DPS (Think : No more ECM drones on me !). Either that or a neut. With the changes proposed in the OP, the Hyperion is a solid Active-tanking armor Battleship. Of course, Active tanking is still active tanking and will be defeated by blobs yada yada. But at least it can do what it is supposed to do efficiently, which is very good. Quote:Its an amour tanking ship, it goes without saying that the low slots are more important than the mids. The Machariel is an armour tanking ship, if you follow this path. The Megathron becomes an Attack Battleship. Ie, a "fast" battleship that can still take a pounding. It doesn't need 8 lowslots. That would bring him to ridiculous levels of tanking that are completely unneeded for an attack battleship. However, 5 medslots would bring enough flexibility to either fit more tackle, fit a MJD (There goes the skirmish part) or fit an ECCM/TrackingCompter/Sensorbooster. 7 - 5 - 7 > 8 - 4 - 8 This. |
Moretic
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2013.04.10 09:55:00 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:Alticus C Bear wrote:Domi even got more grid Didn't notice that part, but it could still use a control range bonus and some more drone bay.
3km per skill lvl and 50 more drone bay? feels about right for me :D |
Akirei Scytale
Test Alliance Please Ignore
3047
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Posted - 2013.04.10 09:56:00 -
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Rukhsana Uxor wrote:Pretty nice work CCP! New Mega and Hyper looks good. Amor rep bonus still useless in fleet fight. Will you think about to give armor rep bonus one more function - increase armor rep recived?
That doesn't benefit buffer without logi (small gangs) though.
IMO the rep bonuses would be better replaced with % increases to the effectiveness of plate / extender and rep modules - so they either increase rep amount or base HP based on tank. TEST Alliance BEST Alliance |
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