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You should save your time and just say - "farmer, +1"

the joke is that every single person in wormhole space is a farmer

"but local"

...has nothing to do with wormholes

"muh nanoribbon prices"

hypocritical nonsense - if you dislike other wormhole farmers because they dilute the value of your own farming, don't dress it up with "but they RMT it" (see above) or "they spend their profits on nullsec crap" (because that's irrelevant to game design)

Please spend a little bit of time in your design groups talking with the WH CSM, past and present, and honestly try to understand how the game is played in that area of space. Please don't limit yourself to the WH CSMs, because while they may have some past knowledge of tactics used in C1-C4 W-space, their bread and butter has been C5-C6. Talk to some of the prominent C1-C4 WH corps as well. Come up with something that works in the game AND works for ALL of the groups involved, not just your largest CSM constituency.

In a sense, true. Many of us farm people, instead of NPCs. With CCP's continuing improvements, they've increased by leaps and bounds the safety that the PvP-averse players have while in W-space. For example, we just rolled our C4 static, jumped in, and saw wrecks. By the time I had warped to their site, they had scattered like cockroaches because they saw the sig.

They didn't have to work for that information, they didn't have to train up any skills. They had instant, free intel that is 100% accurate, with no effort required. The one mechanic that has the highest chance of working to catch people doing PvE in W-space now is the logoffski, and that takes significant time and effort to set up. My corp doesn't use it, but others do. This change won't affect me or my corp, but it will affect others in W-space. CCP is now nerfing the data used to set up these traps, removing the last big danger for PvE fleets in W-space.

The PvP corps in this thread are flailing their arms in panic because of the progression CCP is making toward protecting the PvE activities in wormholes, where it is already easy to avoid PvE if you are smart. Previously, it would require preparation and vigilance to keep your PvE fleet safe. Now only the most braindead of people die to hostiles.

The hunters in W-space are backed into a corner as more and more of the methods and tools they use to hunt are being taken away, and more and more safety is being given to those who do not wish to engage in this game's primary, core reason for existence: ship-based PvP combat. It's natural to expect such behaviour when continually backed into a corner.

Those who wish to exist in W-space simply to farm NPCs for ISK are of course in agreement with CCP's course of action. Sadly, the largest voice on the CSM belongs to groups who only care about W-space as an ISK farm, since the "real" action happens in Nullsec.

CCP, yes, the arguments you are using are in fact justifying the removal of the data. However, before responding to cries from any of your friends who may have fallen prey to an efficient, properly-executed Russian Logoffski trap, consider how you have been harming the PvP gameplay in Wormhole space, space many of us have considered the best part of the game that you guys have ever made, and how you may have driven some groups to this tactic because of your recent changes to the game.

Please spend a little bit of time in your design groups talking with the WH CSM, past and present, and honestly try to understand how the game is played in that area of space. Please don't limit yourself to the WH CSMs, because while they may have some past knowledge of tactics used in C1-C4 W-space, their bread and butter has been C5-C6. Talk to some of the prominent C1-C4 WH corps as well. Come up with something that works in the game AND works for ALL of the groups involved, not just your largest CSM constituency.

Please remember that the core of this game is PvP, and that the balance of your game's ecnomy depends greatly on things exploding.

The hunters in W-space are backed into a corner as more and more of the methods and tools they use to hunt are being taken away, and more and more safety is being given to those who do not wish to engage in this game's primary, core reason for existence: ship-based PvP combat. It's natural to expect such behaviour when continually backed into a corner.

Those who wish to exist in W-space simply to farm NPCs for ISK are of course in agreement with CCP's course of action. Sadly, the largest voice on the CSM belongs to groups who only care about W-space as an ISK farm, since the "real" action happens in Nullsec.

CCP, yes, the arguments you are using are in fact justifying the removal of the data. However, before responding to cries from any of your friends who may have fallen prey to an efficient, properly-executed Russian Logoffski trap, consider how you have been harming the PvP gameplay in Wormhole space, space many of us have considered the best part of the game that you guys have ever made, and how you may have driven some groups to this tactic because of your recent changes to the game.

Maybe removing the npc kills and delaying sigs from appearing for 5 mins would balance it all out. ;)

sorry, but goonies are ignored in this thread by default.

appeal from non-authority next

"we need to be equipped to find farmers in w-space because Reasons"
excellent, use actual reconnaissance and not something that CCP never intended to exist in wormholes

"but local"
...has nothing to do with wormholes

"my group depends on this for our meta"
tell that to the AoE DD nerf, the titan tracking nerf and the nano nerf

You wormhole pubbies cry nearly as much as the highsec pubbies. Look at what you've become!

Tbh there's only a handful WH guys in this thread crying, most opposing posts are made by the same two trolls and naturally, they don't contain any single valid argument. Overwhelming majority of wh inhabitants support this fix for obvious reasons.

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You should save your time and just say - "farmer, +1"

Are you seriously high or believe the bullshit you sperge on with?

Noname alts and goonies talk about whine and tears, besides this way is ultraproductive, the list of participants clearly represents who is agree to the "fix": bunch of trolls and butthurting carebears. It will be interesting to see what side CCP choose, force players to evaluate or benefit degradation and laziness.

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On a more serious note. I support this change. CCP has a history of altering mechanics that is considered broken even if they are cause of emergent gameplay. From the very beginning. Emergent gameplay is not a valid argument for leaving broken mechanics broken. m0o and jump api in wh is but a few examples. Furthermore this will have very little impact on wh's as a whole. Spreadsheets will be made in overlords and things continue as always.

Another reason I support this change is because the api data make people lazy. You dont need dscan to check if a wh is active with this api data.

Furthermore. Everyone claiming the majority of wormhole players in wspace is in favour or disfavour of this change is just plain wrong. Majority of players dont care. They have this data already through 3rd party and really dont use it in the same way as i.e. BU. Majority of players dont care enough to make a forum post even. So for most people this wont matter much. BU/QEX will still find targets and people will still fear them.