No we agreed on "making" not "telling"

As fir standings people have been wanting them removed for years and now that you don't need anything over 5 it's not much of a grind anymore you can get that in a day

Level 5 missions say otherwise. Even so, I have over 7 standings on several characters and they only took 2-3 days each.

Standings are *absolutely mandatory* to participate in trading at present (in any competitive way).

I don't flip PLEX often, but when I do it is in Dodixie (where I have outstanding standings). I would lose ISK on all of those transactions if I carried them out in Jita.

Same goes for Marauders and premium deadspace modules.

The problem is that players DON'T CREATE content...

Some player groupe organizing a PvP raid is no content...

New content is about
- new ships
- new structures
- new modules (or module changes)
- new game mechanics
- new missions
- new exploration sites
...

To have players creating content in a sandbox, you'd need to have people able to upload textures, 3D models, to create items, ... (a little like what you can find in "2nd life" or in the old MUSH/MUX games).

I think that new content (not only for high-level players/corps, but also for people ranging from the miner to the PvE solo'er) would be the best idea to get people login... Way better than dailies... Somehow, the only people who don't really care about content are the PvP'er... they only need targets... But EVE's mechanics are such that other people are required (else PvP'ers would fall short of ships/modules).

Mixing active and passive character development is not really a problem... As some older players already pointed, SP are not so important... But I think that there should really be enough way to get SP to be sure that people WON'T BE ABLE TO DO THEM ALL... If there is only one way, which only requires little time daily (or weekly,...), people may feel compelled to do it... If they are no way to do them all, people will do what they want... There may be some crazy people who will try to "optimize" by doing all of them... but they won't be the common case.

1 rat daily is not a bad idea... Miners can do it, explorer can do it, PvE'er can do it (they both already do it), PvP'er can do it, beginners and older players can do it, ... the only people which would have to get out of their ways are traders, industrialists and scammers...

But I think that there should be many other ways... why not include things like T2 research, jumping in at least X systems, starting at least X jobs (or having at least X different production task running), scanning X signatures and many other things... As I said, there should be enough of these to be sure that a single character can't do them all...

That ended with injectors.

To be exact, it ended with Character Basar.
But then again, there was something before that.

I have to disagree there. Sure, standings are required to make a profit on the same few items hundreds of other traders are competing on, but I've had no trouble making a fair bit of isk station trading in Jita on a character with no corp standing and -0.09 faction standing. It's just a matter of choosing slightly less obvious items.

At least the bizarre was a lessor of two evils used to stop illegal character trading

And at least injectors don't have the same physiological component to them (however I still belive injectors were bad)

I have to disagree there. Sure, standings are required to make a profit on the same few items hundreds of other traders are competing on, but I've had no trouble making a fair bit of isk station trading in Jita on a character with no corp standing and -0.09 faction standing. It's just a matter of choosing slightly less obvious items.

That ended with injectors.

keyword here "need" standings don't provide a benefit over anyone else

Those still need to be trained and are bought with isk which I can earn while logged off.

You don't "need" to gain 10k extra SP a day either.

Those still need to be trained and are bought with isk which I can earn while logged off.

Yup. Try the 5k-1b challenge, it's not all that difficult. Made an alt with nothing to their name but 5k isk, no standings, no sp. Go to Jita, start trading until hitting 1b, in less than a month. Standings aren't absolutely mandatory, nor are even the trading skills. Both of those just open up new avenues of trade and increase volume.

Took me less than three weeks to hit the 1 billion mark on that fresh untrained alt, who never undocked apart from that initial run to Jita the first day.

Somewhat off topic, but since it came up...

If you earn ISK while logged off than whatever that is you're doing should be nerfed :p

If you earn ISK while logged off than whatever that is you're doing should be nerfed :p

It's called industry.

I wouldn't say it's "earning ISK while logged off". The actual industry part is getting the materials and setting everything up and then selling it. The time to build is just a cap to regulate the production volume. Same goes for trading. It sound nice the think about it like "afk ISK" but that ISK is just the result of your logged in activity. You just get the money with a certain delay.
Like killing a rat, logging off and then getting the bounty.

but even then im able to do it at my own pace

will i be on tomorrow OK i'll put on a few frigs overnight

well i wont be on all week maybe i'll put in a couple battle ships or capital components

its also something i can just do from my phone

standings arent relevant to me, sp is relevant to everyone

That does not translate to "I need to go and kill a rat for more SP". If you choose to do nothing, literally nothing will change for you. You will still gain SP as fast as you were previously.

sure something has changed i'm now 10ksp behind for the day compaired to the person who was able to do it

sure something has changed i'm now 10ksp behind for the day compaired to the person who was able to do it

In that light you millions of SP behind anyone who chooses to inject skills. It free, take it or leave it.

I wouldn't say it's "earning ISK while logged off". The actual industry part is getting the materials and setting everything up and then selling it. The time to build is just a cap to regulate the production volume. Same goes for trading. It sound nice the think about it like "afk ISK" but that ISK is just the result of your logged in activity. You just get the money with a certain delay.
Like killing a rat, logging off and then getting the bounty.

but injectors are generic and anyone can use them without having to make different gameplay choices, someone logging in for 5 mins gets rewarded where someone who has been online for 3 hours gets no reward unless they change the way they play the game.

sp is generic and relevant to everyone, anyone can buy skill injectors, anyone can buy implants without doing another activity that they dont want to do, to get an extra 4mil sp a year you have to do pve even though you spend more time in space than most people

CCP is not twisting your arm, reducing your game time or limiting the amount of damage you can deal in the game. They are just not handing you the SP unless you do the stupid task.

Why Dailies?
So first lets talk a little history. EVE had a daily logon incentive for most of it's existence: the 24 hour skill queue limit. Back in Phoebe, we removed those limitations. Now, at the time, we were of two minds internally. We didn't like the experience around being punished for not logging in to update your queue, but also knew that some of those logins might be leading to meaningful gameplay and we shouldn't lightly let go of them. We leaned to the side of a better experience and removed the limitations, hoping that the logins we were generating were fairly empty, rarely leading to more actual activity in the universe. Well, it turns out we were wrong about that. Now, with before and after data we can see that making it into the client is a huge step towards real activity, even if the reason for logging in in the first place seems artificial. So this leads us to where we are now, attempting to find ways to create more logins that also don't feel like such a punishment as the skill queue limitations did. This may not turn out to be the perfect alternative but that's what we're looking for.