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Caiman Graystock Comrades in Construction Anarchy.	Posted - 2008.10.13 19:33:00 - [511] I love how the smack talking trolls in this thread crying because they cant run 12 accounts anymore are calling those of us who run one or two and pay for the privledge sad. LOLZ!
Delvardious Kaesos Caldari Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.10.13 19:34:00 - [512] Originally by: Hertford Originally by: Delvardious Kaesos Sony Online Entertainment, did you change your name without me knowing?. Maybe Sony bought out Iceland. All of it. The whole island. It is a very good possibility. ---------------------------------------- Today's Empires, Tomorrow's Ashes.
Ridickulo Minmatar Tiger-Shrimp	Posted - 2008.10.13 19:34:00 - [513] Originally by: Bukkaboo Originally by: Ri**ulo People, this is very simple! We asked for skill queue training. Skill queue training cant coexist with ghost training. Ergo they were removing ghost training. I say were because i don't think they will anymore. Guess skill queue training gets the ax in favour of ghost training. Paid account = skill queue continues Not paid account = skill left training finishes up, but next skill does not continue training = no need to remove ghost training I wholeheartedly agree but that was not what was discussed by the CSM as our request. This is just a BIG failure to comunicate on everyones half! :P --- Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] - Cortes
Cannibal PLT GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.10.13 19:34:00 - [514] I've never had an alt, and I only own one account. That being said, I just cancelled my subscription, and have no intentions of resubscribing. Training month-long level 5 skills without having to have your account active is one of the major selling points of Eve Online (among many others), that seperates Eve from the plethora of other MMOs. And lets not kid around, there's lots of level 5 skills you need to train to do fun things in Eve (outside of frigate swarming).
Ramiren	Posted - 2008.10.13 19:35:00 - [515] 20 pages and still no reply. I've seen better customer service at NCSoft.. and THAT'S saying something.
Nex Abyssus	Posted - 2008.10.13 19:35:00 - [516] Originally by: Delvardious Kaesos Originally by: Hertford Originally by: Delvardious Kaesos Sony Online Entertainment, did you change your name without me knowing?. Maybe Sony bought out Iceland. All of it. The whole island. It is a very good possibility. I bought a cd from sony the other day, perhaps they used the money from that.
Flinchey	Posted - 2008.10.13 19:35:00 - [517] Originally by: Caiman Graystock I love how the smack talking trolls in this thread crying because they cant run 12 accounts anymore are calling those of us who run one or two and pay for the privledge sad. LOLZ! you run 1-2 accounts solid 12 months/year right they run 12 accounts about 50/50 thats 6 accounts for the 12 months (averaged) pretty sure ccp's gonna hurt at losing those 6 accounts worth of money/year. *however many people ar edoing it.
Ellen Troy	Posted - 2008.10.13 19:35:00 - [518] Some are saying plz give me skill queue in lieu of this... We say screw that. Letz see - lemme queue Cruisers 5 after Large Hybrid Guns V. wait, Cruisers 5 takes 23 days so... doh! If there's a choice screw the queue. SCREW THE QUEUE. SCREW THE QUEUE.
Jel Ting	Posted - 2008.10.13 19:35:00 - [519] Originally by: Terrall This is a good reason for me to finally quit eve and not return to this game. THX CCP!!! Don't let the jumpgate hit you on your ass on the way out. PS with the trend the way it seems it's going it's not really 30k players playing at once is it? it's like 20k people and 30k characters, extrapolate to the end and when BoB has won it really is Bob, Bob Planck and his 30K alts.
Hertford Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.10.13 19:36:00 - [520] Originally by: Nex Abyssus Originally by: Delvardious Kaesos Originally by: Hertford Originally by: Delvardious Kaesos Sony Online Entertainment, did you change your name without me knowing?. Maybe Sony bought out Iceland. All of it. The whole island. It is a very good possibility. I bought a cd from sony the other day, perhaps they used the money from that. But what did they do with the change?

Pan Crastus Anti-Metagaming League	Posted - 2008.10.13 19:36:00 - [521] Originally by: Poreuomai I wonder if CCP investigated and found most people training capital pilots only pay for a fraction of the training time. There's just a handful of useful skills that you could train for more than 30 days of inactivity and considering the prerequisites for them (1 year minimum, usually 2-3 years total subscription time), it's a minor perk... How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
Eclair J	Posted - 2008.10.13 19:36:00 - [522] Originally by: Carsidava Originally by: Mora Makur First, let's lets clarify: Inactive / expired accounts = unpaid accounts If you paying and not logged in, your skills continue to train. Ghost training, that is training a skill while not paying for the account, is at best an exploit. We were getting something for free, and now we are not. Why should you continue to accumulate skill when you are not paying for it? I'm actually angry that this exists. I am quite appreciative that they retain expired account data for as long as they do to begin with. Those skills that take really long to get are meant to be very hard to obtain, which will require commitment and investment at the expense of other skill areas. That means you are actually going to have make the hard choice between specialist and generalist. A game with hard choices; now that's refreshing! Then your market orders and research points should stop as well. After all, with market orders up you can make money while your account is expired. With research points you can continue to accumulate them while your account is expired, and when you re-subscribe you come back to a fat amount of RPs that you can cash in for ISK. That is entirely inconsistent with the ghost training thing. If CCP wants to remove ghost training then they should also remove market orders from inactive accounts, and stop inactive accounts from acquiring RPs. Dividend payouts to inactive shareholders as well, those should be stopped. QFT Yup, these players have an advantage and can generate isk when offline, drop the max length of an order to 14 days and you'll force people who put up 90 day orders to log in, it makes perfect sense. Oh and it balances things we've been complaining about for ages, really it does.
Cueball Mcfuzz Groon Research	Posted - 2008.10.13 19:36:00 - [523] I'm going to pee on all the redacted in here who are in support of this for god knows what reason. The old way didn't hurt you, the new way will hurt some of your peers, and you're siding with the terrible, cheating, unresponsive Icelandic internet spaceship company. Unbelievable. * please refrain from using racist comments - CCP Fallout
Traxio Nacho Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.10.13 19:37:00 - [524] Yet another great idea from CCP who appear to be more and more turning into Blizzard....... Then again its all about the green these days If you are going to stop inactive accounts from training I hope you are going to start giving free days back for all these extended DT's which at the moment seem to be every week. I bet CCP's next great idea will be you only train skills while you are online
Wynteryth Fett	Posted - 2008.10.13 19:37:00 - [525] Originally by: Fred Ayurveda Still enjoying the whining from the **socking ignoramuses who were never intelligent enough to take advantage of unsubscribed training, or never left the house enough to be unsubscribed, ever. Your opinions are invalid on the basis of your poor personal choices in playing a bad game like Eve so consistently. Inana, what in the flying ** is Taanasstaffafffall If EVE is so bad, why the hell are you are complaining about it? Go play WOW or the SIMS or something else. Do you really need to subject everyone to your worthless whining?
NupetietVer	Posted - 2008.10.13 19:37:00 - [526] Originally by: Jel Ting Originally by: Terrall This is a good reason for me to finally quit eve and not return to this game. THX CCP!!! Don't let the jumpgate hit you on your ass on the way out. Jumpgate Evolution, that looks like a good game.
Agor Dirdonen	Posted - 2008.10.13 19:37:00 - [527] Originally by: Mora Makur I am quite appreciative that they retain expired account data for as long as they do to begin with. Well, who knows, maybe they'll say in a few months.... "guys, we can't keep inactive accounts saved in our database anymore for longer then 3 months. So if you're unsubscribed for 3 straight months, we'll have to terminate the account. I think the active players we'll appreciate the faster db calls this will result into..." It will come....
Danny Centurai hirr Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2008.10.13 19:38:00 - [528] Well someone opened one big ass can of fail, not even the good stuff like the cheap stuff. Please CCP if you are going to do something which will remove a lot of alts from EVE come up with a better excuse. /me awaits the firesale on alts!
Leila Cross	Posted - 2008.10.13 19:38:00 - [529] Edited by: Leila Cross on 13/10/2008 19:39:00 CCP, I'm sure this has entered your minds somewhere along the line. I'll do you the favor of refreshing your collective memories. Right now you're pretty much the only game in town. That fact appears to have clouded your customer service responsiveness, and has certainly damaged your client base. In the not so distant future you will be competing with a game that was pretty damn good in it's day. You can bet your corporate asses they will be doing everything they can to lure, entice, and plain flat out steal customers and revenue from you. Get your sh*t together kiddies or you're gonna be feeling the economic crunch in a very big way.
Commander Paul Caldari People's Front Of Judea Frater Adhuc Excessum	Posted - 2008.10.13 19:38:00 - [530] If you dont pay your electricity bill you eat in the dark, get it ?

Flinchey	Posted - 2008.10.13 19:38:00 - [531] Originally by: Pan Crastus Originally by: Poreuomai I wonder if CCP investigated and found most people training capital pilots only pay for a fraction of the training time. There's just a handful of useful skills that you could train for more than 30 days of inactivity and considering the prerequisites for them (1 year minimum, usually 2-3 years total subscription time), it's a minor perk... i've got about 5m sp probably 3 or 4 months of active sub thereabouts. battlecruisers V: 35 days. that's just the start. i have so many long skills that i want/need. i want it. i want it badly. im no longer able to get it.
Pbs Pumpkin Scissors	Posted - 2008.10.13 19:38:00 - [532] Have an idea: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=896170 Quote: I have 3 accaunts. Now a want cancel one or two of them. But a dont want loose my chars. So, if you want cancel Ghost Training - cancel transfer fee (20$), at least for month or so.
Jantix Shafalcon Exanimo Inc	Posted - 2008.10.13 19:39:00 - [533] If you try real hard I bet you can remove all of the other things that make EVE different and better than other MMO's along with this.
Kaurapa	Posted - 2008.10.13 19:40:00 - [534] as a new player i was loving eve - was just about to expand from one account to a triple to keep the game fresh and exciting while main hits the level 5 skills; currently doing mining barge level 5 which be followed by Industrial level 5... ...I thought the current set up was to allow players to be keep interested by short term gains while waiting for the long term gains to come to fruition... ...apparently not. I have a couple of Questions: What is inactive? 10 days without connection? 20 days without connection? 60 days without connection? please define this ccp Will be there a grace period for accounts not upto date in payments? 2 days - a week before skill training stops? or will skill training stop bang on midnight when the account is in deficit? I would suggest that a much more overdue and needed change is the lag in some systems during the weekend....
Aydjile Amarr The xDEATHx Squadron Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2008.10.13 19:41:00 - [535] good move ccp! quality vs quantity Reality exist only in our imagination.
silentcurses Caldari Foundation Sons of Tangra	Posted - 2008.10.13 19:41:00 - [536] I believe this to be an absolutley horrible idea. If you feel that you (CCP)just has to do this, how about a little better reasoning.
Ligg Bedesman	Posted - 2008.10.13 19:41:00 - [537] Edited by: Ligg Bedesman on 13/10/2008 19:41:43 Dear CCP, The Doctor of Economics you hired has Ph.lunkeD Idiots.
Ellen Troy	Posted - 2008.10.13 19:41:00 - [538] Edited by: Ellen Troy on 13/10/2008 19:42:49 Cueball - don't be too harsh on those here (and the many in ingame chats) that support this. They are either young accounts, not too into Eve or don't understand fully the game mechanics and/or the wealth of careers Eve that offers. My eyes have just opened to exploration, invention, production and training after eons spent in noob mission/ratting/pvp-ing. However with this change it's just not possible to do so unless you are super rich. CCP - what WERE you thinking? And couldn't you have INCLUDED THIS AS A QUESTION IN YOUR TWO SURVEYS THAT YOU SENT TO US FIRST FOR FEEDBACK? I vaguely remember the last two questions in the survey... 99. How many Eve accounts do you have? 100. Of these accounts how many are you paying by cash and not GTCs? Greed... is good - Michael Douglas
Jayne Cobbe	Posted - 2008.10.13 19:41:00 - [539] 604 replies in roughly 3.5 hours with about 95% against ccp, speaks for itself i think.
Holy Cheater Brute Force Unlimited	Posted - 2008.10.13 19:43:00 - [540] Originally by: Jayne Cobbe 604 replies in roughly 3.5 hours with about 95% against ccp, speaks for itself i think. Yep. But CCP have chosen unbeatable tactics: ignorance.



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